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2012-12-21 01:15:06 AM
Good thing there's nothing more important to talk about.
 
2012-12-21 01:18:21 AM
Ronald Reagan?

Michael Careloné?

The Goddamn Batman?
 
2012-12-21 01:39:55 AM
Was there a point in that editorial?

If he's arguing against the federal government overseeing federal elections (instead of the local partisan patchwork we now have) I respectfully disagree.  There should be one nationwide standard for presidential elections, at least.  In today's political climate another Florida could be disastrous.

And I'm disturbed by Fark's recent decision to start greening editorials.  Are cranky letters to the editor next?
 
2012-12-21 01:42:05 AM
Australia?
 
2012-12-21 02:05:00 AM
Kenya?
 
2012-12-21 02:08:19 AM

fusillade762: Are cranky letters to the editor next?


Cranky letters to the editor at least provide amusement. When you play the high-stakes games we basement-dwelling titans in the politics tab do, sometimes you need to kick back, order a $125 steak, pour a snifter of Remy XO and laugh at some random retard yelling at a cloud.

 The editorial thing is hardly new. Like you, I'd prefer a silly headline linked to an actual article, and have the editorial be Farkers' comments. But hell, man, these days we link to farking Brietbart and his stable of 'lil Lebowski Achievers. So consider yourself lucky it's at least George Will. Granted, that's a lot like being thankful for being shot in the thigh instead of the face, but still.
 
2012-12-21 02:23:05 AM

dickfreckle: Granted, that's a lot like being thankful for being shot in the thigh instead of the face, but still.


heh .
 
2012-12-21 02:28:26 AM
Adele?
 
2012-12-21 02:34:26 AM
the article in one sentence.

as a quote:
Remember this as the Obama administration mounts a drive to federalize voter registration, a step toward making voting mandatory.

me paraphrasing:
I'm going to give you something for you to worry about, and base it on absolutely nothing.
 
2012-12-21 02:52:39 AM

themindiswatching: Australia?


Hitler was from Australia.

Makes you think...
 
2012-12-21 03:18:14 AM
Personally, I think voting should be required of all eligible adults, unless a waiver is applied for an approved, and if you do not, a penalty is applied.

I also feel that the whole election cycle should be shortened - no advertizing until 8 weeks before the election.  All candidates are allotted a set amount for advertizing that is provided by the government.  All advertizements must be based on facts, unless stated clearly that it is an opinion.  All candidates are required to provide documentation of their platforms, issues, and desired changes.

It would be nice to get rid of all the bullshiat that happens during current elections.

I would LOVE to see news based on facts and not on propaganda.

\I am dreaming, I know.
\\I like reality, though, not the bullshiat echo chamber that some people have
 
2012-12-21 03:18:26 AM

dickfreckle: fusillade762: Are cranky letters to the editor next?

Cranky letters to the editor at least provide amusement. When you play the high-stakes games we basement-dwelling titans in the politics tab do, sometimes you need to kick back, order a $125 steak, pour a snifter of Remy XO and laugh at some random retard yelling at a cloud.

 The editorial thing is hardly new. Like you, I'd prefer a silly headline linked to an actual article, and have the editorial be Farkers' comments. But hell, man, these days we link to farking Brietbart and his stable of 'lil Lebowski Achievers. So consider yourself lucky it's at least George Will. Granted, that's a lot like being thankful for being shot in the thigh instead of the face, but still.


Oh sh*t, I forgot about all the Breitbart links.  I guess since I never click on them I kinda forgot.
 
2012-12-21 03:40:47 AM

fusillade762: Was there a point in that editorial?

If he's arguing against the federal government overseeing federal elections (instead of the local partisan patchwork we now have) I respectfully disagree.  There should be one nationwide standard for presidential elections, at least.  In today's political climate another Florida could be disastrous.

And I'm disturbed by Fark's recent decision to start greening editorials.  Are cranky letters to the editor next?


Fark greenlights blogs posts from kos and co all the time, too. Would you like to see those also disappear?
 
2012-12-21 03:42:53 AM
George Will is the greatest ever indictment against the Pulitzer Prize.

He's a moron who is convinced -- and, has convinced many -- that's he's a genius.
 
2012-12-21 03:52:27 AM

cman: Fark greenlights blogs posts from kos and co all the time, too. Would you like to see those also disappear?


 Frankly, yes. Especially Kos. But though it's a site full of weeping vaginas it's still more factual than your typical Blaze or American Thinker turd. Let that sad reality sink in for a moment...

 I think his (and my) point is that we don't prefer editorial links, period. The opinions should be made in the thread, after having (hopefully) read a sober, dispassionate new article. It's not a huge complaint or anything, but it does get annoying when every damn link in the politics tab goes to someone's suck-ass blog.
 
2012-12-21 03:53:19 AM
"news" article, that is
 
2012-12-21 04:06:55 AM

dickfreckle: someone's suck-ass blog


The derp must flow, and where is a better source  than a suck ass blog ? ?
 
2012-12-21 04:14:13 AM
Definitely not photoshop contests. I miss how epic those used to be.
 
2012-12-21 04:49:26 AM
You know who else used the media as a propaganda tool to sway people away from common sense?

Of course he doesn't want more (blaah) people voting.
 
2012-12-21 05:05:11 AM

SpaceyCat: Personally, I think voting should be required of all eligible adults, unless a waiver is applied for an approved, and if you do not, a penalty is applied.

I also feel that the whole election cycle should be shortened - no advertizing until 8 weeks before the election.  All candidates are allotted a set amount for advertizing that is provided by the government.  All advertizements must be based on facts, unless stated clearly that it is an opinion.  All candidates are required to provide documentation of their platforms, issues, and desired changes.

It would be nice to get rid of all the bullshiat that happens during current elections.

I would LOVE to see news based on facts and not on propaganda.


We'd never have another republican elected official again except what's mandatory in congress.
 
2012-12-21 05:08:39 AM

SpaceyCat: Personally, I think voting should be required of all eligible adults, unless a waiver is applied for an approved, and if you do not, a penalty is applied.

I also feel that the whole election cycle should be shortened - no advertizing until 8 weeks before the election.  All candidates are allotted a set amount for advertizing that is provided by the government.  All advertizements must be based on facts, unless stated clearly that it is an opinion.  All candidates are required to provide documentation of their platforms, issues, and desired changes.

It would be nice to get rid of all the bullshiat that happens during current elections.

I would LOVE to see news based on facts and not on propaganda.

\I am dreaming, I know.
\\I like reality, though, not the bullshiat echo chamber that some people have


"We will force you to partake in freedom" kinda does have an ironic feeling to it, does it not?
 
2012-12-21 05:08:43 AM

SpaceyCat: Personally, I think voting should be required of all eligible adults, unless a waiver is applied for an approved, and if you do not, a penalty is applied.

I also feel that the whole election cycle should be shortened - no advertizing until 8 weeks before the election.  All candidates are allotted a set amount for advertizing that is provided by the government.  All advertizements must be based on facts, unless stated clearly that it is an opinion.  All candidates are required to provide documentation of their platforms, issues, and desired changes.

It would be nice to get rid of all the bullshiat that happens during current elections.

I would LOVE to see news based on facts and not on propaganda.

\I am dreaming, I know.
\\I like reality, though, not the bullshiat echo chamber that some people have


I'd support mandatory voting if they include an option for " no confidence".
At least give us the option of saying " you both suck, try again".
 
2012-12-21 05:40:01 AM

Angry Monkey: SpaceyCat: Personally, I think voting should be required of all eligible adults, unless a waiver is applied for an approved, and if you do not, a penalty is applied.

I also feel that the whole election cycle should be shortened - no advertizing until 8 weeks before the election.  All candidates are allotted a set amount for advertizing that is provided by the government.  All advertizements must be based on facts, unless stated clearly that it is an opinion.  All candidates are required to provide documentation of their platforms, issues, and desired changes.

It would be nice to get rid of all the bullshiat that happens during current elections.

I would LOVE to see news based on facts and not on propaganda.

\I am dreaming, I know.
\\I like reality, though, not the bullshiat echo chamber that some people have

I'd support mandatory voting if they include an option for " no confidence".
At least give us the option of saying " you both suck, try again".


Basically the only way to do mandatory voting in this country would be to allow people to show up, sign their name, take a blank ballot, and put it in the tabulation box. Requiring people to actually vote yes or no on a ballot issue or vote for a specific candidate (even a write-in where Mickey Mouse is allowed) would almost certainly be considered compelled speech and a violation of the First Amendment. That said, I would 100% support such a proposal.
 
2012-12-21 05:41:46 AM
Why not mandatory voting?

Or mandatory heterosexuality?
Or mandatory childbirth?
Or mandatory church?
Or mandatory blue jeans purging?
 
2012-12-21 05:43:31 AM

Serious Black: Basically the only way to do mandatory voting in this country would be to allow people to show up, sign their name, take a blank ballot, and put it in the tabulation box. Requiring people to actually vote yes or no on a ballot issue or vote for a specific candidate (even a write-in where Mickey Mouse is allowed) would almost certainly be considered compelled speech and a violation of the First Amendment. That said, I would 100% support such a proposal.


And they get a fine if they don't? Because there are dozens of reasons why someone wouldn't be able to get to vote. My wallet was stolen the day before the last election and I couldn't vote because I didn't have an ID.
 
2012-12-21 05:49:35 AM

if i'm following my slippery-slope-decoder ring right:

if elections are handled federally, then people will vote for turtles.


so apparently we'd have president mcconnell.

thank you, george will. you saved us all.
 
2012-12-21 05:59:00 AM
I do love that even the so called 'intellectuals' remaining in the GOP are embracing ideas that would have been a reach for Glenn Beck before he left Fox.

At this point it's getting hard to tell Republicans from your average raving derelict. At the rate we're progressing the candidates in 2016 are going to be identical to a member of the Westboro Baptist Church.
 
2012-12-21 05:59:38 AM

Mugato: Serious Black: Basically the only way to do mandatory voting in this country would be to allow people to show up, sign their name, take a blank ballot, and put it in the tabulation box. Requiring people to actually vote yes or no on a ballot issue or vote for a specific candidate (even a write-in where Mickey Mouse is allowed) would almost certainly be considered compelled speech and a violation of the First Amendment. That said, I would 100% support such a proposal.

And they get a fine if they don't? Because there are dozens of reasons why someone wouldn't be able to get to vote. My wallet was stolen the day before the last election and I couldn't vote because I didn't have an ID.


Yes, there would be some kinks to work out with state laws requiring certain kinds of documents to vote and making sure everyone actually can vote. We could create a federal voter ID, affirmatively grant every person who is eligible to vote an ID, and require states to accept this as a valid form of identification or withhold federal money from the states. Among other options, we can require states offer no-excuse absentee ballots, early voting, or (a potentially extreme option) make Election Day a national holiday where every employer has to give employees the day off (with a minimum of four hours off for employees of hospitals and other life-or-death professions).
 
2012-12-21 06:07:40 AM
fusillade762
Was there a point in that editorial?

"Only middle-class suburban white Protestants really ought to be voting."
 
2012-12-21 06:21:33 AM
So George Will is less troubled by throngs of motivated, invested voters enduring long waits in miserable conditions to register their preferences than the possibility that the elections roles are perhaps larger than they should be. All for a non-existent problem, that of coerced voting.

Retire, George. Your Conservatism has had its day. Carrying water for the disenfranchising fringe is not a winning strategy. It does nothing for the country and reflects poorly on where your intellect has strayed
 
2012-12-21 06:26:22 AM

eraser8: George Will is the greatest ever indictment against the Pulitzer Prize.

He's a moron who is convinced -- and, has convinced many -- that's he's a genius.


He's a stupid person's idea of what a smart person sounds like.
 
2012-12-21 06:26:49 AM
Republicans have noticed that when lots of people get to vote, they do poorly. This is not a news flash. It's also demonstrated by the drive to put as many barriers as possible into the voting process before the last election, which seems to be continuing.
 
2012-12-21 06:29:52 AM
I don't see anything wrong with mandatory voting. In the same way I don't see anything wrong with mandatory jury service. It's a civic duty. I don't know what the electronic voting systems are like in the US, but so long as there's an option not to cast a vote for in each category on the ballot slip, then I can't see how the system can be abused (provided there's no vote rigging jiggery-pokery).
 
2012-12-21 06:34:36 AM
Federal ID card, provided for free (so no possibility of a Poll Tax accusation against it), with voter's finger-prints (or DNA, if voter has no hands) taken at time of registration. This would allow for each voter to vote with thumbprint ID, should they lose their ID card.

Voting should be mandatory, but all races should also have an option to vote "None Of The Above", as well.
 
2012-12-21 06:35:10 AM

Alphax: Republicans have noticed that when lots of people get to vote, they do poorly. This is not a news flash. It's also demonstrated by the drive to put as many barriers as possible into the voting process before the last election, which seems to be continuing.


Yeah, in light of the ACTUAL measures being enacted by Republicans in the real world to suppress voter turnout, this bit of hysterical hyperbole by George goes beyond asinine to outright partisan ignorance.
 
2012-12-21 06:42:10 AM

thisispete: I don't see anything wrong with mandatory voting. In the same way I don't see anything wrong with mandatory jury service. It's a civic duty. I don't know what the electronic voting systems are like in the US, but so long as there's an option not to cast a vote for in each category on the ballot slip, then I can't see how the system can be abused (provided there's no vote rigging jiggery-pokery).


Only a Communist would defend the Social Contract. What's next, respect for other people's rights?
 
2012-12-21 06:42:44 AM
Hitler?

/not possible to godwin anymore
 
2012-12-21 06:46:40 AM
You know why I hate George Will?

Because he uses terms like "unameliorative"  without irony.

He's a pompous gasbag, far too invested in his own intellect and shallow enough to pick up with a cheap one-ply paper towel. An inveterate fool with an Oxford vocabulary and a Trixie's Beauty School brain.

I remember being irked by his pedantic dribblings when I was in my teens. God, what a useless waste of ink he is.
 
2012-12-21 06:50:12 AM
Because the likelihood of any individual's vote mattering is infinitesimal and because the effort required to be an informed voter can be substantial, ignorance and abstention are rational, unless voting is cathartic or otherwise satisfying.

Oh, wow.

Their vote doesn't matter anyway, they are not informed voters, they'd probably vote Democratic. We don't need them.
 
2012-12-21 06:51:12 AM
What you clowns tried to pull in Florida this election is going to have long-term consequences - don't act surprized.
 
2012-12-21 06:54:24 AM
I like the part where they attack the voting rights act but do not even realize that they destroy the talking point that dead people are voting and instead point out that it is just harder to get people off of voter rolls.
 
2012-12-21 06:54:38 AM

fusillade762: Was there a point in that editorial?

If he's arguing against the federal government overseeing federal elections (instead of the local partisan patchwork we now have) I respectfully disagree.  There should be one nationwide standard for presidential elections, at least.  In today's political climate another Florida could be disastrous.

And I'm disturbed by Fark's recent decision to start greening editorials.
Are cranky letters to the editor next?



They are already here.

See any post with the americanthinker.com icon.
 
2012-12-21 07:07:49 AM
Milquetoast Bowtie has jumped the shark
 
2012-12-21 07:11:29 AM
Cohen dismantles Will's piece.

Link
 
2012-12-21 07:11:31 AM
If voting is outlawed, then only outlaws will vote.
 
2012-12-21 07:12:16 AM

Cyclometh: You know why I hate George Will?

Because he uses terms like "unameliorative"  without irony.

He's a pompous gasbag, far too invested in his own intellect and shallow enough to pick up with a cheap one-ply paper towel. An inveterate fool with an Oxford vocabulary and a Trixie's Beauty School brain.

I remember being irked by his pedantic dribblings when I was in my teens. God, what a useless waste of ink he is.


Plus, he loves Baseball. Nobody gives a damn about that boring ass game anymore!
 
2012-12-21 07:16:42 AM
Australia elections are great fun. Many polling places have BBQs, childrens fun rides, tombolas, and various fair games.

It works. No-one resents voting (and you're still perfectly free to spoil your ballot to protest). I've never met anyone who missed the vote and was fined.
 
2012-12-21 07:17:53 AM

fusillade762: Was there a point in that editorial?

If he's arguing against the federal government overseeing federal elections (instead of the local partisan patchwork we now have) I respectfully disagree.  There should be one nationwide standard for presidential elections, at least.  In today's political climate another Florida could be disastrous.

And I'm disturbed by Fark's recent decision to start greening editorials.  Are cranky letters to the editor next?


No no no, nein, nunca jamas.

The very essence of fair elections is legends of blue haired ladies and loosely affiliated busybodies who volunteer to show up at the polls as volunteers, or modestly compensated clerks, who apply their marginally competent skills at insuring that people behave. It's an essentially parochial thing propagated to national levels based on faithful delusions of the ability of individuals to make a difference that achieves a transcendence which enables the democratic process.
 
2012-12-21 07:19:03 AM
I'm sure Wiil would support a national dress code for voting if it banned the evil of denim.
 
2012-12-21 07:20:43 AM
Mandatory voting is a great idea, but there are two things that have to be worked out:

1.) The first has already been alluded to several times: How do you allow people to cast a protest vote? That's not that difficult; just have a common write-in field for all votes so people can put in "None of the Above" or "Lizard People" or what have you.

2.) What penalties do you apply to people that don't vote? You don't want this to be too draconian, or else it will quickly start looking like a penalty on people who can't make it to the booth. I would say make it like that Select Service thing all males have to sign up for when they apply for federal student aid. Basically, if you don't turn up, you become ineligible for certain tax or other benefits. While this is pretty much the same thing as issuing tickets financially, it's less blatant.

Mandatory voting would massively decrease the costs of elections because it would drop the need for expensive "get out the vote" campaigns. It would also lead to less volatility in off-presidential year congressional elections, which would be a good thing, I think.

Looking past mandatory voting, I think alternate vote and getting rid of the electoral college should be the next steps. And then perhaps introducing a nationwide anti-gerrymandering statute of some sort.
 
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