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2012-12-21 10:08:18 AM  

Trivia Jockey: This is the manifestation of the damage caused by Public Idiot #1, Grover Nordquist.

Boehner couldn't even get GOP support for a tax increase of even those making over $1 million.


Would it be the worst thing in the world is a lot of the representatives that signed this treasonous pledge somehow didn't get re-elected in '14?
 
2012-12-21 10:11:36 AM  
The feeling is if we go off this totally contrived 'fiscal cliff' is it will be disastrous for the economy. Couldn't the idiots in Congress just undo this stupid thing? There's no real reason for this ultimatum, it can be undone just as easily as it was done, with little more than saying "Yeah, let's not do that." That the idiots in Congress needed to put a metaphorical gun to all our heads to get something done is proof the majority of them need to be voted out and replaced with competent people.
 
2012-12-21 10:11:47 AM  

Trivia Jockey: This is the manifestation of the damage caused by Public Idiot #1, Grover Nordquist.

Boehner couldn't even get GOP support for a tax increase of even those making over $1 million.


And the thing they're not getting in this whole deal, because of that pledge now EVERYBODY'S taxes are going to go up. The country is already blaming the GOP and the clown show Boehner put on yesterday is reinforcing that.

Governing in the realm of absolutes is impossible. Any 12-year-old* can see this.

*with the exception of Grover Norquist
 
2012-12-21 10:12:50 AM  

Thats No Moose: keylock71: Lol... So Thunder Pipes just sent an email to one of my employers accusing me of posting hate speech on this site. We all had a good laugh here in the studio.

Of course, the email address he "found" and used goes directly to my inbox.


Guess I struck a nerve...

WTF?

All this while I was thinking he was an alt, considering how rubbish his trolling is (feels like the I TROLL U guy).

How did he get your email ID?


He's been emailing one of my employers saying I'm posting hate speech against the religious. Lol.

I'm not hard to find online... He followed a link from my personal portfolio site listed in my profile.

In short, he's a sad little coward and his attempts to get me "in trouble" with one of my employers is a failure. Which isn't something he's unfamiliar with, I suspect.
 
2012-12-21 10:13:04 AM  

Thunderpipes: Weird how Obama is holding the middle class hostage, all to punish people who create jobs.

But that is what Democrats do. Punishing successful people to no gain is worth more than doing the right thing.


Or, you could say that the Republicans are holding the middle class hostage in order to benefit their wealthy donors, who, by the way, have not created jobs despite a decade of tax cuts.
 
2012-12-21 10:13:10 AM  
Listen you farking clowns:

Link
 
2012-12-21 10:18:00 AM  

keylock71: I'm not hard to find online... He followed a link from my personal portfolio site listed in my profile.


What a nasty piece of work he is.
 
2012-12-21 10:18:08 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Listen you farking clowns:

Link


That was kinda awesome.
 
2012-12-21 10:19:50 AM  

Mercutio74: Would it be the worst thing in the world is a lot of the representatives that signed this treasonous pledge somehow didn't get re-elected in '14?


Is best thing.
 
2012-12-21 10:20:40 AM  

Dog Welder: Governing in the realm of absolutes is impossible. Any 12-year-old* can see this.

*with the exception of Grover Norquist



This is why you never follow a guy named after a Muppet.
 
2012-12-21 10:21:20 AM  

Gawdzila: The U.S. is not a household trying to pay off its credit cards; we don't have a fixed salary like a working family does. It is a business trying to expand: our income depends on our economic growth.


The underlined part: NO. The federal government is not a business. It cannot make a profit and (as you understand) it does not matter if it goes in the red except to the extent debt consumes part of the budget and could lead to traps. It's not even a nonprofit corporation, the analogy fails on many levels.

You know all of this, but stop using a bad analogy, it doesn't help and it lends weight to the idiotic "we need a CEO for president" people.
 
2012-12-21 10:25:33 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Listen you farking clowns:

Link


upload.wikimedia.org
"I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over the sound of how awesome my deficit spending was."

 
2012-12-21 10:27:04 AM  

apoptotic: reclec arguing for higher taxes, Serious Black suggesting Obama shut down federal agencies and trigger a worldwide recession...I know I'm not drunk, but this thread is making me feel like I am.


Well, what would you do if you were in his shoes?

Should he say the 14th Amendment doesn't allow for a debt ceiling? I would love for him to try that because I think it the debt ceiling is unconstitutional (and stupid), but remember, the GOP almost got Obamacare declared unconstitutional because they went whole-hog on the claim that it was unconstitutional even though every legal scholar back in 2010 said it was clearly empowered by the Commerce Clause. I would be scared to death of the Supreme Court getting their hands on that case with a unified GOP saying he's illegally usurping Congress's power to borrow money. If they were looking for a reason to impeach him, that would be easy fodder once SCOTUS declared it constitutional.

Should he mint a platinum coin worth $3 trillion and deposit it with the Treasury? It's definitely a legal and constitutional approach. I still think there are some problems with it. One, it would almost certainly cause a huge surge of inflation with $3 trillion hitting the money supply. Two, how the hell does Obama go on national television, hold up a platinum coin, and say with a straight face "I'm giving this to the Treasury so we can continue paying our bills for an extra couple of years"? I'm positive people would look at him like he was telling a joke, and when they realized he was serious, they would think he needs to see a shrink.

The only other option is to negotiate with the GOP on their demands for raising the debt ceiling again, and that would just encourage more of these stupid, useless shenanigans.
 
2012-12-21 10:29:24 AM  
Well, now it gets even more interesting. If the GOP won't even pass plan B, then what is next?

Plan C will likely be a temporary extension of all cuts. Obama will than have to choose between rates going up for all or for none.

Predictions?

I'd like to see Obama say that We need to go back to Clinton levels for all taxpayers, and that we'll just have to suck up the adverse near term economic impact. By the end of 2013 we'll be growing again and also on the path to fiscal responsibility. Obama's legacy will be as the president that made the tough decision to start us on that path, and he can sidestep blame in the short term by blaming the GOP.

What I expect will happen is a temporary extension of all or virtually all the cuts, with a concession from the GOP to raise the debt ceiling to an amount sufficient to cover debt growth for that amount of time, with dems trying to take advantage politically for the GOP not allowing rates for the rich to go up.

Anybody else care to prognosticate? Be specific rather than "hurrdurr GOP implode" fantasies.
 
2012-12-21 10:30:52 AM  
Doesn't matter what he offers up, obamer will not accept it. He wants a collapse, "fundamental change" remember?
 
2012-12-21 10:31:20 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Be specific rather than "hurrdurr GOP implode" fantasies.


Look at you making demands of everyone like you're somebody.
 
2012-12-21 10:32:24 AM  
Ps spending problem, not a revenue problem..
 
2012-12-21 10:33:47 AM  

Gentoolive: Ps spending problem, not a revenue problem..


That's a red flag right there.. though your other post was very stupid as well.
 
2012-12-21 10:33:47 AM  

Gentoolive: Doesn't matter what he offers up, obamer will not accept it. He wants a collapse, "fundamental change" remember?


Gentoolive: Ps spending problem, not a revenue problem..


You're one of those humans that consistently fails the Turing test, aren't you?
 
2012-12-21 10:34:13 AM  

thurstonxhowell: deanis: Cuthbert Allgood: Amazing. I really am enjoying watching Fartbongo push the repubs off the cliff.

Can someone explain what "fartbongo" means? Is it just a lazy attempt at comedy or is there some meme I don't know about?

Victoria Jackson came up with "Fartbama", some other racist came up with "Obongo". Snarky Farkers combined them to make "Fartbongo".


Doesn't Fartbongo make you chuckle? I do everytime. And my phone now suggests 'fartbongo' when I type in FAR...

/am I the only one disappointed by the lack of Boehner tears of impotence this morning?
 
2012-12-21 10:34:36 AM  

Thats No Moose: keylock71: I'm not hard to find online... He followed a link from my personal portfolio site listed in my profile.

What a nasty piece of work he is.


Lol... Eh, he's just a pathetic, little coward with too much time on his hands.
 
2012-12-21 10:35:13 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: What I expect will happen is a temporary extension of all or virtually all the cuts, with a concession from the GOP to raise the debt ceiling to an amount sufficient to cover debt growth for that amount of time, with dems trying to take advantage politically for the GOP not allowing rates for the rich to go up.


After the GOP's complete failure in the house, why on earth would you expect their position to be the one that comes out on top? Boehner crippled his position by pushing all in with 7-3 off suit. Taxes are going up on the wealthy. The Republicans can't stop that.
 
2012-12-21 10:35:16 AM  

Gentoolive: Doesn't matter what he offers up, obamer will not accept it. He wants a collapse, "fundamental change" remember?


The correct term is 'Fartbongo', you Baby Jesus-hating RINO.
 
2012-12-21 10:36:25 AM  
keylock71:

Is taking arguments from Fark into the real world and trying to get someone to lose their job from it allowed? I would think that would be breaking a rule of some sort.
 
2012-12-21 10:37:39 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Well, now it gets even more interesting. If the GOP won't even pass plan B, then what is next?

Plan C will likely be a temporary extension of all cuts. Obama will than have to choose between rates going up for all or for none.

Predictions?

I'd like to see Obama say that We need to go back to Clinton levels for all taxpayers, and that we'll just have to suck up the adverse near term economic impact. By the end of 2013 we'll be growing again and also on the path to fiscal responsibility. Obama's legacy will be as the president that made the tough decision to start us on that path, and he can sidestep blame in the short term by blaming the GOP.

What I expect will happen is a temporary extension of all or virtually all the cuts, with a concession from the GOP to raise the debt ceiling to an amount sufficient to cover debt growth for that amount of time, with dems trying to take advantage politically for the GOP not allowing rates for the rich to go up.

Anybody else care to prognosticate? Be specific rather than "hurrdurr GOP implode" fantasies.


You're failing to grasp the simple reality that the public is currently in an anti-GOP mood and are already blaming the GOP for the failure to find a compromise.

Their inability to move a bit from their positions means that when we go over the cliff, it's the GOP that'll catch the flack and the Democrats know it. So, they don't have to negotiate at all with the GOP. They can dictate terms and they 'have' been, if you'll notice.

They're in a very powerful position of leverage and they're being ruthless about making the most of that leverage. They're going to get what they want, one way or the other, and the GOP will catch the blame, one way or the other. It's the knife or the gun. Only two choices here and the only difference is which one is more painful for the GOP to endure.

If they try and compromise, they get a revolt from the Tea Derpers and it fails. If they don't try and compromise, they get 100% of the blame for the cliff and then have to go along with bipartisan bills to lower tax rates on the Middle Class after the 1st of the year. The Democrats will refuse to have anything to do with a bill that only cuts rates for the rich and the GOP will be stuck holding the bag for that one, too.

They have no easy way out. On one side they have an angry public and a strong Democratic party, and on the other side, they have their own rabid base and the Tea Derpers in the House.
 
2012-12-21 10:37:48 AM  

keylock71: Thats No Moose: keylock71: Lol... So Thunder Pipes just sent an email to one of my employers accusing me of posting hate speech on this site. We all had a good laugh here in the studio.

Of course, the email address he "found" and used goes directly to my inbox.


Guess I struck a nerve...

WTF?

All this while I was thinking he was an alt, considering how rubbish his trolling is (feels like the I TROLL U guy).

How did he get your email ID?

He's been emailing one of my employers saying I'm posting hate speech against the religious. Lol.

I'm not hard to find online... He followed a link from my personal portfolio site listed in my profile.

In short, he's a sad little coward and his attempts to get me "in trouble" with one of my employers is a failure. Which isn't something he's unfamiliar with, I suspect.


Wow, I knew I didn't like him but that dickish coward move is completely the opposite of the rugged individualist persona he puts forth online. Tough guy in the internet is actually a sniveling pussy? Who would have thought?
 
2012-12-21 10:38:39 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: What I expect will happen is a temporary extension of all or virtually all the cuts, with a concession from the GOP to raise the debt ceiling to an amount sufficient to cover debt growth for that amount of time, with dems trying to take advantage politically for the GOP not allowing rates for the rich to go up.

Anybody else care to prognosticate? Be specific rather than "hurrdurr GOP implode" fantasies.


1) We're going to go over the cliff.
2) When Congress returns, they'll pass something very similar to Obama's latest offer and label it as a "tax cut for 98% of the country."
3) Both sides will declare victory. This gets the GOP around the Grover Norquist pledge.

OR

1) The GOP will continue to behave like children and do nothing for two years.

I'm hoping the GOP realizes that option A is the best course of action.
 
2012-12-21 10:38:59 AM  
keylock71 can you forward that email to the address in my profile? I would love to see it.
 
2012-12-21 10:40:49 AM  

Felgraf: keylock71:

Is taking arguments from Fark into the real world and trying to get someone to lose their job from it allowed? I would think that would be breaking a rule of some sort.


I sent a heads up to the Mods... All he's doing is giving everyone a good laugh over hear at the studio, though. Talk about butt hurt. Jeez.
 
2012-12-21 10:42:26 AM  

keylock71: Felgraf: keylock71:

Is taking arguments from Fark into the real world and trying to get someone to lose their job from it allowed? I would think that would be breaking a rule of some sort.

I sent a heads up to the Mods... All he's doing is giving everyone a good laugh over hear at the studio, though. Talk about butt hurt. Jeez.


Yeah, but you have to wonder if he has done it before and if it has actually had an impact on someone. I would be thrilled if this were the end of that full of shiat troll.
 
2012-12-21 10:47:56 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Well, now it gets even more interesting. If the GOP won't even pass plan B, then what is next?

Plan C will likely be a temporary extension of all cuts. Obama will than have to choose between rates going up for all or for none.

Predictions?

I'd like to see Obama say that We need to go back to Clinton levels for all taxpayers, and that we'll just have to suck up the adverse near term economic impact. By the end of 2013 we'll be growing again and also on the path to fiscal responsibility. Obama's legacy will be as the president that made the tough decision to start us on that path, and he can sidestep blame in the short term by blaming the GOP.

What I expect will happen is a temporary extension of all or virtually all the cuts, with a concession from the GOP to raise the debt ceiling to an amount sufficient to cover debt growth for that amount of time, with dems trying to take advantage politically for the GOP not allowing rates for the rich to go up.

Anybody else care to prognosticate? Be specific rather than "hurrdurr GOP implode" fantasies.


Even Republicans are starting to say that the Dem plan will get passed if we go over the cliff.

Link
 
2012-12-21 10:48:51 AM  
Pull up a chair and witness the collapse and ruin of the GOP.

Commandeered by extremists who don't represent the nation, and can't get along, it includes
Cheney, W, Rush, Bachmann, Boehner, Palin, Koch, Adelson, Beck, Newt and many many more.
These folks have never, ever, had the interests of the country at heart - and yet they intend to steer the nation?

The only question is: what will rise to replace them?
 
2012-12-21 10:50:24 AM  

jst3p: keylock71: Felgraf: keylock71:

Is taking arguments from Fark into the real world and trying to get someone to lose their job from it allowed? I would think that would be breaking a rule of some sort.

I sent a heads up to the Mods... All he's doing is giving everyone a good laugh over hear at the studio, though. Talk about butt hurt. Jeez.

Yeah, but you have to wonder if he has done it before and if it has actually had an impact on someone. I would be thrilled if this were the end of that full of shiat troll.


Wow. This thread was kinda boring when I went to bed, too. Good to know that Derp Pipes isn't trolling at all and really is that much of a blithering, self-absorbed shiatstain.
 
2012-12-21 10:52:00 AM  

Dog Welder: Debeo Summa Credo: What I expect will happen is a temporary extension of all or virtually all the cuts, with a concession from the GOP to raise the debt ceiling to an amount sufficient to cover debt growth for that amount of time, with dems trying to take advantage politically for the GOP not allowing rates for the rich to go up.

Anybody else care to prognosticate? Be specific rather than "hurrdurr GOP implode" fantasies.

1) We're going to go over the cliff.
2) When Congress returns, they'll pass something very similar to Obama's latest offer and label it as a "tax cut for 98% of the country."
3) Both sides will declare victory. This gets the GOP around the Grover Norquist pledge.

OR

1) The GOP will continue to behave like children and do nothing for two years.

I'm hoping the GOP realizes that option A is the best course of action.


So you think the house will pass Obama's offer in January, even though they couldn't pass boehner's plan B now? What makes you think that will happen? The dems gains in the new congress?

They'll just pass an extension for all and try to blame the dems, no?

Anyway, thanks for your prediction. We'll see how it turns out.
 
2012-12-21 10:52:17 AM  

dmax: Pull up a chair and witness the collapse and ruin of the GOP.

Commandeered by extremists who don't represent the nation, and can't get along, it includes
Cheney, W, Rush, Bachmann, Boehner, Palin, Koch, Adelson, Beck, Newt and many many more.
These folks have never, ever, had the interests of the country at heart - and yet they intend to steer the nation?

The only question is: what will rise to replace them?


Lizard people.
 
2012-12-21 10:54:25 AM  

CPennypacker: Debeo Summa Credo: Well, now it gets even more interesting. If the GOP won't even pass plan B, then what is next?

Plan C will likely be a temporary extension of all cuts. Obama will than have to choose between rates going up for all or for none.

Predictions?

I'd like to see Obama say that We need to go back to Clinton levels for all taxpayers, and that we'll just have to suck up the adverse near term economic impact. By the end of 2013 we'll be growing again and also on the path to fiscal responsibility. Obama's legacy will be as the president that made the tough decision to start us on that path, and he can sidestep blame in the short term by blaming the GOP.

What I expect will happen is a temporary extension of all or virtually all the cuts, with a concession from the GOP to raise the debt ceiling to an amount sufficient to cover debt growth for that amount of time, with dems trying to take advantage politically for the GOP not allowing rates for the rich to go up.

Anybody else care to prognosticate? Be specific rather than "hurrdurr GOP implode" fantasies.

Even Republicans are starting to say that the Dem plan will get passed if we go over the cliff.

Link


Thanks. That is interesting. Not sure why the GOP would have the votes for that then, but not for plan B now.
 
2012-12-21 10:54:40 AM  

shastacola: I'm not sure why Boehner is taking the rap for this one. I blame the teatards and the teatards who elected them.


because the main principle of leadership is: Even if it's not your *fault*, it's your *responsibility*. Or, as Ike once said: "The Buck Stops Here".
 
2012-12-21 10:55:41 AM  

jst3p: keylock71 can you forward that email to the address in my profile? I would love to see it.


Sure... I'll get it to you on my lunch break.
 
2012-12-21 10:56:50 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: So you think the house will pass Obama's offer in January, even though they couldn't pass boehner's plan B now? What makes you think that will happen? The dems gains in the new congress?

They'll just pass an extension for all and try to blame the dems, no?

Anyway, thanks for your prediction. We'll see how it turns out.



Because the GOP are already talking about it. See the link a few entries up.

When we go over the cliff, Obama will rescind the offer of the $400k limit. So...we go over the cliff, and Obama comes out and says, "Here's the deal: we reduce taxes on all income under $250k." Are the GOP actually going to vote against that? They'd be cutting their own balls off. Obama will hammer the GOP in his Inaugural address AND hammer the GOP in his State of the Union address. The GOP were idiots not to take this last offer. Obama told them as much, and the GOP tried to run an end around to get their way, which failed spectacularly.
 
2012-12-21 10:57:26 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: They'll just pass an extension for all and try to blame the dems, no?


Why do you think they haven't done that already, if it's the obvious path to victory for them?
 
2012-12-21 10:58:18 AM  
Oh...and this isn't a new prediction on my part. Even before the election I was pretty sure the "fiscal speed bump" was going to get hit.
 
2012-12-21 11:08:58 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Debeo Summa Credo: They'll just pass an extension for all and try to blame the dems, no?

Why do you think they haven't done that already, if it's the obvious path to victory for them?


Good question, actually. My opinion is they're trying to negotiate and get concessions from Obama on spending in exchange for the tax issue.

Boehner proposed plan B, which would have made all cuts for those under $1m permanent. Didn't have the GOP votes for that because it raised taxes too much. So negotiation looks like a dead end.

When they reach a final impasse, which they are pretty much bound to do, the GOP will offer a temporary extension of current tax rates and say "we couldn't agree on needed reform, here's a bill that maintains the status quo.". And then use any outlet they have to try to shift blame to Obama for people's taxes going up when the GOP offered an extension of the old rates.

If you were the GOP, what would you do? Just sit on your hands and let the dems blame you, or pass a bill that gives you the ability to plausibly defer blame to the dems. Just seems like an obvious strategy at this point to me. If they were going to cave to Obama's demands, then why didn't they pass plan B?
 
2012-12-21 11:11:54 AM  
Obama already raised taxes on the rich with ObamaCare. It's about 4% on those that make over $200k. So, when the Bush tax cuts expire, he gets exactly what he wants. Higher taxes on everyone and even higher taxes on the rich. No deal is needed for him to be happy.

Of course, the Bush tax cuts helped only the rich, so, don't worry about the tax increase on the poor and middle class.
 
2012-12-21 11:12:45 AM  

Dog Welder: Debeo Summa Credo: So you think the house will pass Obama's offer in January, even though they couldn't pass boehner's plan B now? What makes you think that will happen? The dems gains in the new congress?

They'll just pass an extension for all and try to blame the dems, no?

Anyway, thanks for your prediction. We'll see how it turns out.


Because the GOP are already talking about it. See the link a few entries up.

When we go over the cliff, Obama will rescind the offer of the $400k limit. So...we go over the cliff, and Obama comes out and says, "Here's the deal: we reduce taxes on all income under $250k." Are the GOP actually going to vote against that? They'd be cutting their own balls off. Obama will hammer the GOP in his Inaugural address AND hammer the GOP in his State of the Union address. The GOP were idiots not to take this last offer. Obama told them as much, and the GOP tried to run an end around to get their way, which failed spectacularly.


If the GOP is "already talking about it", then why didnt they pass plan B? You seem to think its a forgone conclusion that the dems will be in the driver's seat in January and get what Obama originally wanted. If that is so obvious, why wouldn't the GOP try to make/take a better deal now? At least throw plan b out there and see what the dems come back with.
 
2012-12-21 11:12:52 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Philip Francis Queeg: Debeo Summa Credo: They'll just pass an extension for all and try to blame the dems, no?

Why do you think they haven't done that already, if it's the obvious path to victory for them?

Good question, actually. My opinion is they're trying to negotiate and get concessions from Obama on spending in exchange for the tax issue.

Boehner proposed plan B, which would have made all cuts for those under $1m permanent. Didn't have the GOP votes for that because it raised taxes too much. So negotiation looks like a dead end.

When they reach a final impasse, which they are pretty much bound to do, the GOP will offer a temporary extension of current tax rates and say "we couldn't agree on needed reform, here's a bill that maintains the status quo.". And then use any outlet they have to try to shift blame to Obama for people's taxes going up when the GOP offered an extension of the old rates.

If you were the GOP, what would you do? Just sit on your hands and let the dems blame you, or pass a bill that gives you the ability to plausibly defer blame to the dems. Just seems like an obvious strategy at this point to me. If they were going to cave to Obama's demands, then why didn't they pass plan B?


If I were Boehner, I'd use the only tool really left at my disposal. I'd have the votes. All of 'em. This whole dance is there to save representatives embarassment of having their votes recorded more than necessary... Just vote on each proposal. If it passes, it passes, if it doesn't it doesn't, but at least then you can hold the representatives who are gumming things up responsible.
 
2012-12-21 11:15:52 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Dog Welder: Debeo Summa Credo: So you think the house will pass Obama's offer in January, even though they couldn't pass boehner's plan B now? What makes you think that will happen? The dems gains in the new congress?

They'll just pass an extension for all and try to blame the dems, no?

Anyway, thanks for your prediction. We'll see how it turns out.


Because the GOP are already talking about it. See the link a few entries up.

When we go over the cliff, Obama will rescind the offer of the $400k limit. So...we go over the cliff, and Obama comes out and says, "Here's the deal: we reduce taxes on all income under $250k." Are the GOP actually going to vote against that? They'd be cutting their own balls off. Obama will hammer the GOP in his Inaugural address AND hammer the GOP in his State of the Union address. The GOP were idiots not to take this last offer. Obama told them as much, and the GOP tried to run an end around to get their way, which failed spectacularly.

If the GOP is "already talking about it", then why didnt they pass plan B? You seem to think its a forgone conclusion that the dems will be in the driver's seat in January and get what Obama originally wanted. If that is so obvious, why wouldn't the GOP try to make/take a better deal now? At least throw plan b out there and see what the dems come back with.


Because the GOP is now being hobbled by the Tea Derpers who refuse to go along with ANY tax increases at all. They make up enough of a percentage of the current GOP House that if they don't go along, it doesn't get passed out of the House.

And they are NOT in a good mood after their members got stripped of their House positions of authority. They're angry, they feel betrayed and they're not going to play along. The Plan B debacle proved that beyond the shadow of a doubt.
 
2012-12-21 11:17:18 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: If they were going to cave to Obama's demands, then why didn't they pass plan B?


The plan B vote was a vote of no confidence in Boehner. After January 3, when the cliff has been passed, the markets are tanking, and the Republicans are taking enormous heat from all sides for the mess, the new Speaker, whoever he/she may be, will be under enormous pressure to get a compromise deal through. They already played chicken and lost. Playing it yet again isn't going to work
 
2012-12-21 11:22:15 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: If the GOP is "already talking about it", then why didnt they pass plan B? You seem to think its a forgone conclusion that the dems will be in the driver's seat in January and get what Obama originally wanted. If that is so obvious, why wouldn't the GOP try to make/take a better deal now? At least throw plan b out there and see what the dems come back with.


For a few reasons:

1) The GOP is currently very dysfunctional. There's a flatout civil war happening between the old guard and the Teahadists.
2) The Plan B had a number of poison pills in it that would have further screwed the middle class and poor, and many in the party realized it.
3) Plan B had zero chance of passing the Senate or being signed even if it did.
4) Maybe there are reasonable people currently in the GOP who are simply sick of all these games and want to get this resolved. "Plan B" was a waste of time. There are plenty of Republicans who were FOR the latest Obama offer that Boehner scoffed at.

The democrats don't have to come back with ANYTHING. There's already a bill that passed through the Senate making all the Bush tax cuts for people making under $250k permanent that's been sitting on Boehner's desk for months. Also, Obama and the democrats realize they have all the leverage in the world right now.

Look, I've been a Republican for 25 years now. I have never seen a GOP Congressional class so full of derp that they can't work to get a deal done. They've gone way too far to the right and a lot of people just don't seem to see it.
 
2012-12-21 11:24:09 AM  

Mentat: Corvus: There is almost nothing that gives me more joy than watching the GOP screw themselves over.

How can he not take Obama's deal now? He can't get the votes to pass his own deal in the Republican house.

GOP you suck!!!

Watching Eric Cantor run away from the press tonight would be hilarious if the consequences weren't so great.  You never want to say never in politics, but it sure feels like the GOP screwed themselves tonight.  If I were Obama, I would make another offer to Boehner (by choice, not because he's forced to) and see if they can get enough votes to push something through.  Otherwise, cut Boehner out and see if Obama can get the votes himself.

And we've barely begun the gun control fight :)


The problem with this is the House GOP has a rule where they do not bring any law to vote unless a majority of republicans support it. Not very democratic but it is what Obama is working against.
 
2012-12-21 11:26:17 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Debeo Summa Credo: If they were going to cave to Obama's demands, then why didn't they pass plan B?

The plan B vote was a vote of no confidence in Boehner. After January 3, when the cliff has been passed, the markets are tanking, and the Republicans are taking enormous heat from all sides for the mess, the new Speaker, whoever he/she may be, will be under enormous pressure to get a compromise deal through. They already played chicken and lost. Playing it yet again isn't going to work


Okay, we'll see.

I doubt the new speaker, if we get one and whomever it is, will be more inclined to compromise than Boehner, but we'll see. It'd likely be someone more conservative, no? I'm also not sure the pressure on the GOP will be that much greater than on the dems. If markets do tank, and the GOP has offered an extension of the status quo, do you think Obama won't be asked why he's allowing markets to tank by not extending?

Thanks to all for your predictions.
 
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