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2012-12-21 09:08:01 AM

Krieghund: Rann Xerox: Darth_Lukecash: Worse. Speaker. Of. The. House. Ever.
This man is bad at his job.

Boehner is a little better as Speaker of the House than this guy was:
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Theodore_M._Pomeroy

How do you figure? Pomeroy didn't do anything. I wish we were so lucky with Boehner.


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2012-12-21 09:11:07 AM
Isn't it the job of the Majority Leader to get all GOP votes in line?

When the fark did the Speaker of the House become the Speaker of the Republican Party?

God forbid he should try to put together a plan that a Republican and Democrat majority will vote for.
 
2012-12-21 09:11:20 AM
GOP: F*ck the country, I gotta get to the Bahamas for my vacation.
 
2012-12-21 09:14:12 AM
So, all this "fiscal cliff" talk means that if these assholes in Congress fail to come to an agreement, we get to throw them over a cliff and replace them with sane people, right?
 
2012-12-21 09:14:14 AM

Irving Maimway: foreman3: DarkSkyForever: Now... just stay with me here... now why can't we just let tax rates rise back to Clinton levels?

Or, why not just go back to Clinton Spending Levels?

Something about the economy needing money injected into it and the private sector not being willing to do so and Europe and Japan showing us what happens when the government doesn't do it in situations like this?

I dunno, like history or something.


so, the spending levels from a different time period won't work during the present, but the tax levels from a different time period will work during the present?

You wanna know why Clinton balanced the budget with Clinton-era tax rates?  Because of the Clinton-era spending rates.

You can't have Clinton-era tax rates, but spending levels far in excess of the Clinton-era spending rates and expect the same fiscal results Clinton achieved.
 
2012-12-21 09:14:17 AM
Will the media call the resulting recession Obama's recession? 

no
 
2012-12-21 09:14:44 AM

gulogulo: Thunderpipes: Weird how Obama is holding the middle class hostage, all to punish people who create jobs.

But that is what Democrats do. Punishing successful people to no gain is worth more than doing the right thing.

How is he holding the middle class hostage?


By asking Congress to extend the middle class tax cuts, I guess.

Link
 
2012-12-21 09:18:55 AM
Ah, the Trolls.  Happy solstice to those who reside under bridges!  Come on up to the bright side.  We have coffee cake.
 
2012-12-21 09:19:01 AM

SlothB77: Irving Maimway: foreman3: DarkSkyForever: Now... just stay with me here... now why can't we just let tax rates rise back to Clinton levels?

Or, why not just go back to Clinton Spending Levels?

Something about the economy needing money injected into it and the private sector not being willing to do so and Europe and Japan showing us what happens when the government doesn't do it in situations like this?

I dunno, like history or something.

so, the spending levels from a different time period won't work during the present, but the tax levels from a different time period will work during the present?

You wanna know why Clinton balanced the budget with Clinton-era tax rates?  Because of the Clinton-era spending rates.

You can't have Clinton-era tax rates, but spending levels far in excess of the Clinton-era spending rates and expect the same fiscal results Clinton achieved.


Cool, so gut defense.
 
2012-12-21 09:19:54 AM
The point of Plan B was to fashion a parachute for Republicans for January. As it stands, if the new year arrives with no deal in place, Obama will have the upper hand. The full expiration of the Bush tax cuts will make the budget baseline more favorable, turning any change in taxes into a tax cut. And Obama, who is highly popular, will be able to attack Republicans, who are highly unpopular, for their insistence on keeping taxes low for the rich, which is highly unpopular, at the cost of raising taxes on the middle class, which is also highly unpopular.  Link

After Jan 1st, Obama's $1.2T tax hike becomes Obama's $3.8T tax cut. Boom.
 
2012-12-21 09:20:09 AM

EnviroDude: Will the media call the resulting recession Obama's recession?
no


It really is Obama's fault that the House Republicans rejected Speaker Boehner's plan.
 
2012-12-21 09:20:47 AM
Hah. As much as I hate how impotent the legislate is today, I cannot helping to revel in Boehner's leadership failure. The man needs to go as long as Cantor is not his replacement. Eric is only in it for Eric.
 
2012-12-21 09:22:39 AM

gulogulo: Thunderpipes: Weird how Obama is holding the middle class hostage, all to punish people who create jobs.

But that is what Democrats do. Punishing successful people to no gain is worth more than doing the right thing.

How is he holding the middle class hostage?


TP is a notorious troll best ignored.
 
2012-12-21 09:22:41 AM

SlothB77: Irving Maimway: foreman3: DarkSkyForever: Now... just stay with me here... now why can't we just let tax rates rise back to Clinton levels?

Or, why not just go back to Clinton Spending Levels?

Something about the economy needing money injected into it and the private sector not being willing to do so and Europe and Japan showing us what happens when the government doesn't do it in situations like this?

I dunno, like history or something.

so, the spending levels from a different time period won't work during the present, but the tax levels from a different time period will work during the present?

You wanna know why Clinton balanced the budget with Clinton-era tax rates?  Because of the Clinton-era spending rates.

You can't have Clinton-era tax rates, but spending levels far in excess of the Clinton-era spending rates and expect the same fiscal results Clinton achieved.


Yeah, it was awesome how clinton waged the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq without driving up the deficit. That's how you do it Obummer!
 
2012-12-21 09:23:09 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: The point of Plan B was to fashion a parachute for Republicans for January. As it stands, if the new year arrives with no deal in place, Obama will have the upper hand. The full expiration of the Bush tax cuts will make the budget baseline more favorable, turning any change in taxes into a tax cut. And Obama, who is highly popular, will be able to attack Republicans, who are highly unpopular, for their insistence on keeping taxes low for the rich, which is highly unpopular, at the cost of raising taxes on the middle class, which is also highly unpopular.  Link

After Jan 1st, Obama's $1.2T tax hike becomes Obama's $3.8T tax cut. Boom.


which is the part the GOP doesn't seem to understand - Obama is the popular one here, and the public seems to understand that the GOP are being right proper bastards and on the WRONG side of this debate.  oh the rank and file True Believers are still clueless of course, but they aren't the majority in this country.  everyone else knows the Republicans are on the losing side of this debate.
 
2012-12-21 09:23:48 AM
I'm not sure why Boehner is taking the rap for this one. I blame the teatards and the teatards who elected them.
 
2012-12-21 09:23:52 AM
Wow... I guess this shows how important the future of the US is to the GOP. fark it, let them eat cake, we've got holiday plans for Christmas.
 
2012-12-21 09:24:40 AM
It would be awesome if this entire debacle lead to a union between normal, non-crazy republicans and democrats versus the tea party derpers. Probably not going to happen but it sure would be cool.
 
2012-12-21 09:25:19 AM

Resin33: Why would cuts in defense spending be a bad thing? I think too much is spent on defense already and am all in favor of cuts in that area. Where is the negative component?

Because the defense industry employs a lot of people. People who are educated and paid very handsomely. A lot of white collar people would lose their jobs, which will be a bigger impact to the economy than all the construction workers who lost their jobs in 2008.


Also defence contractors spread their manufacturing bases around the country to encompass as many electoral districts as possible to make it slightly harder for representatives to vote against defence spending. Pretty much anything built for the military is built across a dozen states and then shipped around instead of mass produced and assembled for less money in one place.
 
2012-12-21 09:25:41 AM

EnviroDude: Will the media call the resulting recession Obama's recession? 

no


when did Obama become the leader of the Republican party...?
 
2012-12-21 09:28:55 AM
Speaker Boehner and Eric Cantor,

The failed policies that your party continues to support are what has brought our country to the plutocracy that it has become. A tax structure that favors the so called "job creators" and punishes the middle class, stripping workers of protections, and failure to monitor and regulate financial giants as they have driven the economy into the toilet are policies that you continue to support and even praise.

The giant corporations are sitting on untold hundreds of millions of dollars that they move to offshore protections and refuse to use to employ or help American workers. Just as your party methodically dismantles all social safety nets, programs and protections for American workers.

You refuse to acknowledge that the American taxpayers are your constituents and you refuse to do anything to help the majority, your only concern are the wealthy and your corporate masters as this serves your purposes and personal gain is the driving force behind the majority of the political parties in this country now.

The backbone of this country has been crushed, the taxpayers have been robbed and lied to about YOUR wars and your policies of protecting the wealthy robber barons. The disparity of wealth that hasn't been seen since the last Depression was avoidable and it's unconscionable and I believe it was by design of the last administration and your party.

We've been robbed by the war machine, by the Wall Street companies and the friends of the Republicans that stole our money and continue to in overseas conflicts that profit the dishonest.

As you continue to protect and represent the disproportionately wealthy and privileged at the expense of the vast majority of Americans I think you will start to see more of these unruly crowds of the Americans that you can't stand to see prosper.

Enjoy your revolution, you were directly involved in creating it. My regards.
 
2012-12-21 09:29:02 AM
I see Johnny boy handed in his resignation last night.
 
2012-12-21 09:29:06 AM

shastacola: I'm not sure why Boehner is taking the rap for this one. I blame the teatards and the teatards who elected them.


Like it or not, they're his teatards. He must have known that the only thing they'd vote for is a bill that they drafted themselves and even then would hem and haw as to whether the cuts go deep enough, and ultimately likely reject that.

What he could have done instead is try to find a middle ground that most, if not all, of the house Dems would vote for and then try to find the 20 or so GOP reps he'd need to make the vote pass by the skin of it's teeth. Instead, he put together a package that might garner some support from his party but would not get either Dem or teabagger votes.
 
2012-12-21 09:29:33 AM

SlothB77: Irving Maimway: foreman3: DarkSkyForever: Now... just stay with me here... now why can't we just let tax rates rise back to Clinton levels?

Or, why not just go back to Clinton Spending Levels?

Something about the economy needing money injected into it and the private sector not being willing to do so and Europe and Japan showing us what happens when the government doesn't do it in situations like this?

I dunno, like history or something.

so, the spending levels from a different time period won't work during the present, but the tax levels from a different time period will work during the present?

You wanna know why Clinton balanced the budget with Clinton-era tax rates?  Because of the Clinton-era spending rates.

You can't have Clinton-era tax rates, but spending levels far in excess of the Clinton-era spending rates and expect the same fiscal results Clinton achieved.


There's also not the same tax base or growth in the economy right now. So no you can't have the same spending levels. Google "Japan lost decade" or go look at how those monetary policies are working in the UK right now.
 
2012-12-21 09:31:28 AM

Thunderpipes: Weird how Obama is holding the middle class hostage, all to punish people who create jobs.

But that is what Democrats do. Punishing successful people to no gain is worth more than doing the right thing.


imageshack.us
 
2012-12-21 09:32:23 AM

EnviroDude: Will the media call the resulting recession Obama's recession? 

no


No,  they will be called the Obama Tax Cuts.

It will stick in the craw of Republicans for years and possibly generations to come.
 
2012-12-21 09:33:18 AM

shastacola: I'm not sure why Boehner is taking the rap for this one. I blame the teatards and the teatards who elected them.


The teahadists are certainly behind it, but Boehner's insistence that he should abandon negotiations, pass a bill in the House that had no chance of passing the Senate or be signed into law to show up the President, and then fail to gain enough votes in a stacked GOP-controlled House, and THEN decide, "fark it, I'm going home," might have something to do with this mess. Boehner made a huge boneheaded gamble and is going to pay a steep political price for this. I'll be shocked if he's still Speaker in 30 days.
 
2012-12-21 09:36:08 AM

Dog Welder: shastacola: I'm not sure why Boehner is taking the rap for this one. I blame the teatards and the teatards who elected them.

The teahadists are certainly behind it, but Boehner's insistence that he should abandon negotiations, pass a bill in the House that had no chance of passing the Senate or be signed into law to show up the President, and then fail to gain enough votes in a stacked GOP-controlled House, and THEN decide, "fark it, I'm going home," might have something to do with this mess. Boehner made a huge boneheaded gamble and is going to pay a steep political price for this. I'll be shocked if he's still Speaker in 30 days.


do you really think he'll lose his job over this?  I've given up trying to figure out what the Republicans are trying to do.  they seem to have no real leadership (given their goals, that's probably good for the rest of us tho).
 
2012-12-21 09:36:23 AM

SixPaperJoint: Must admit I got a kick out of the author's use of the Speakers full name.

John A. Boehner

How did anybody ever take this guy seriously?

Are we all getting shiat on because John A. Boehner got picked on one too may times in public school?

Is that why he has a hard-on for defunding public education?

Was three questions enough?


Should have gone with Jack instead of John.
 
2012-12-21 09:36:24 AM
Pelosi needs to roll out the Discharge Petition now and get a clean tax-cut vote in the House. There have to be 218 reasonable members of the House somewhere.
 
2012-12-21 09:37:56 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: Republicans rejected Speaker Boehner's plan


I guess they only accept Boehners out of the public eye, like say in airport restrooms.
 
2012-12-21 09:39:29 AM

Weaver95: Dog Welder: shastacola: I'm not sure why Boehner is taking the rap for this one. I blame the teatards and the teatards who elected them.

The teahadists are certainly behind it, but Boehner's insistence that he should abandon negotiations, pass a bill in the House that had no chance of passing the Senate or be signed into law to show up the President, and then fail to gain enough votes in a stacked GOP-controlled House, and THEN decide, "fark it, I'm going home," might have something to do with this mess. Boehner made a huge boneheaded gamble and is going to pay a steep political price for this. I'll be shocked if he's still Speaker in 30 days.

do you really think he'll lose his job over this?  I've given up trying to figure out what the Republicans are trying to do.  they seem to have no real leadership (given their goals, that's probably good for the rest of us tho).


Boehner's been on pretty thin ice as Speaker for a while now. Cantor started publicly cutting the legs out from under him during the debt ceiling negotiations.

The Speaker reciting the "Serenity Prayer" while holding off tears to his own caucus because of the failure of a bill of his own creation is not the picture of a leader who exp\ects to be around much longer.
 
2012-12-21 09:39:40 AM
Lol... So Thunder Pipes just sent an email to one of my employers accusing me of posting hate speech on this site. We all had a good laugh here in the studio.

Of course, the email address he "found" and used goes directly to my inbox.


Guess I struck a nerve...
 
2012-12-21 09:40:46 AM

Weaver95: Dog Welder: shastacola: I'm not sure why Boehner is taking the rap for this one. I blame the teatards and the teatards who elected them.

The teahadists are certainly behind it, but Boehner's insistence that he should abandon negotiations, pass a bill in the House that had no chance of passing the Senate or be signed into law to show up the President, and then fail to gain enough votes in a stacked GOP-controlled House, and THEN decide, "fark it, I'm going home," might have something to do with this mess. Boehner made a huge boneheaded gamble and is going to pay a steep political price for this. I'll be shocked if he's still Speaker in 30 days.

do you really think he'll lose his job over this?  I've given up trying to figure out what the Republicans are trying to do.  they seem to have no real leadership (given their goals, that's probably good for the rest of us tho).


It's possible, but who do they put in? I don't think the Teahadists have enough power left to elevate Cantor. The fact that Boehner couldn't get the job done yesterday (and the complete rancor I'm hearing about from WITHIN all corners of the party), suggests that they may boot him.
 
2012-12-21 09:41:01 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: EnviroDude: Will the media call the resulting recession Obama's recession?
no

It really is Obama's fault that the House Republicans rejected Speaker Boehner's plan.


The democrats put the sunset date in the Bush tax cuts (you know, the ones for the rich).  I suppose that the 47% will be reduced to 40%.   That's a lot of new people paying into the system that haven't before.

Obamacare and the payroll tax were also dated by the democrats.

Throw in the spending cuts by the republicans (approved and signed by Obama), and you have a recipe for recession.


/getting a kick out of the posters that have proposed that Obama is the great leader by offering to compromise with the republicans
 
2012-12-21 09:42:00 AM

Weaver95: do you really think he'll lose his job over this? I've given up trying to figure out what the Republicans are trying to do. they seem to have no real leadership (given their goals, that's probably good for the rest of us tho).


Which brings us to another point... as bad as Boehner is, the GOP muckity mucks are probably even more afraid of the possibility of one of the tea party darlings taking over as speaker. That would likely devastate the GOPs chances in 2014... hell it might even cause a sizeable chunk of the current GOP house to cross the aisle and caucus with the Dems... at least until the next election where they themselves can run on an anti-tea party campaign philosophy.
 
2012-12-21 09:43:07 AM

Dog Welder: Boehner made a huge boneheaded gamble and is going to pay a steep political price for this. I'll be shocked if he's still Speaker in 30 days.


On top of that, he's effectively lost any chance at negotiating anything he or his party wanted at all and now the issue for republicans has become a matter of "give Obama what he wants or dig in your heels and very publicly and loudly make it obvious that you're the party causing the pain people are feeling in their pocketbooks".

Obama can basically walk out on stage twice next month and say from his bully pulpits, with complete and absolute honesty, "Your taxes just went up, your grandma can't afford her medicine now and your town just lost 500 army base jobs because the republicans rejected a fix that the republicans proposed".

Obama's hands are completely clean in this and the republicans are completely covered in the feces they flung at each other.

What a bunch of nimrods. Although republicans and their supporters were warned repeatedly by the rest of us that this was the inevitable outcome at some point if they didn't stop acting like spoiled children.
Really though, who could have honestly known that throwing a 2 years long, foot-stomping, face-reddening, ear-splitting temper tantrum because the guy in the white house is a black democrat wouldn't result in sound policy?
 
2012-12-21 09:44:56 AM

relcec: Serious Black: relcec: gulogulo: Aside from my own personal taxes going up, the fiscal cliff will also mean that the grants that I need to do science for the next three years will also be canceled. This isn't money for salaries for scientists (though it is so I can hire field technicians), but also for the equipment and overhead needed to do these studies. It was a study on the impacts of sea levels to heavily utilized natural resources.

This makes me incredibly nervous and sad.

taxes have to go up. can't you see that? we are in this predicament because people like you want shiat, but do not want to pay taxes in the first place.

Or (hear me out) we could radically broaden the tax base so that a lot of people can actually get a tax cut and a few people who have been lucky duckies avoiding taxes so far get a small tax hike. Why not use a transaction tax?

dude, you may be a little to wrapped in all this. you just called republicans a rebel treasonous faction in so many words, for not extending bush tax cuts.
bush tax cuts that don't come close to bringing in enough revenue for the federal government to function.

and who the f*ck doesn't get tax cuts? the average family in the united states, the middle class if you will, doesn't pay jackshiat. they don't pay close to what is necessary.

an average family sitting at the median household income, that has two kids, and a mortgage
pays around a 2% income tax. 2%. wtf. that is the middle class.
they pay almost nothing. that's a big reason why we have no money. you know this. wtf is going on here?

fark you, I'm solidly in the middle class and my total tax burden is around 55% of my income, in fact if you throw in employer payroll taxes and medical insurance I'm at close to 70% of my potential income going to what in the rest of the civilized world would be taxes. In other words I'm paying 20% more of my income to get worse outcomes than all those crazy socialized countries, all so the Koch brothers and Mittens and their ilk can pay 0-15% taxes. Screw that.
 
2012-12-21 09:45:21 AM

RobertBruce: including social security in a way that pays it to those who already paid in, while phasing it out for everyone else.


Newsflash. Your side lost the farking election. Go Galt already and die of typhoid in some shiathole.
 
2012-12-21 09:52:49 AM
Poor Johnny B. I bet he needs a drink about now.
 
2012-12-21 09:56:59 AM

Graffito: Poor Johnny B. I bet he needs a drink about now.


Though he's got to be sober enough to see his favourite university basketball team play on Saturday at MSG.
 
2012-12-21 09:57:32 AM

Cuthbert Allgood: Amazing. I really am enjoying watching Fartbongo push the repubs off the cliff.


Can someone explain what "fartbongo" means? Is it just a lazy attempt at comedy or is there some meme I don't know about?
 
2012-12-21 09:59:43 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Irving Maimway: foreman3: DarkSkyForever: Now... just stay with me here... now why can't we just let tax rates rise back to Clinton levels?

Or, why not just go back to Clinton Spending Levels?

Something about the economy needing money injected into it and the private sector not being willing to do so and Europe and Japan showing us what happens when the government doesn't do it in situations like this?

I dunno, like history or something.

Favorited.

Seriously, Mr. President, fill all of the empty federal benches and hang it on the Republicant's.


I agree with you, but I have a feeling that the President is trying to act like an adult.
 
2012-12-21 10:01:12 AM

deanis: Cuthbert Allgood: Amazing. I really am enjoying watching Fartbongo push the repubs off the cliff.

Can someone explain what "fartbongo" means? Is it just a lazy attempt at comedy or is there some meme I don't know about?


I believe it was clever wordsmithing that combined two great freeper nicknames for Obama. One was back in the day when it was acceptable to be more openly racist and he was called Obongo, likely a reference to tribal drums (yes, I know bongos came into existence in the latin america, but these are freepers we're talking about). The other nickname, inexplicably, was fartbama. That one's probably just puerile humour that you'd expect from tea partiers.

So, and I get the impression this was created by someone who wasn't a teabagger, some clever person combined it into Fartbongo, probably to show how silly the whole thing is.
 
2012-12-21 10:01:40 AM

EnviroDude: Will the media call the resulting recession Obama's recession? 

no


Why should they? We're haggling because Boehner got 98% of what he wanted last time around.
 
2012-12-21 10:02:58 AM

keylock71: Lol... So Thunder Pipes just sent an email to one of my employers accusing me of posting hate speech on this site. We all had a good laugh here in the studio.

Of course, the email address he "found" and used goes directly to my inbox.


Guess I struck a nerve...


WTF?

All this while I was thinking he was an alt, considering how rubbish his trolling is (feels like the I TROLL U guy).

How did he get your email ID?
 
2012-12-21 10:03:39 AM
www.mozardien.com
 
2012-12-21 10:03:58 AM

djkutch: EnviroDude: Will the media call the resulting recession Obama's recession?
no

Why should they? We're haggling because Boehner got 98% of what he wanted last time around.


It's only fair he ends up with more like 2 percent this time.
 
2012-12-21 10:04:17 AM

deanis: Cuthbert Allgood: Amazing. I really am enjoying watching Fartbongo push the repubs off the cliff.

Can someone explain what "fartbongo" means? Is it just a lazy attempt at comedy or is there some meme I don't know about?


Victoria Jackson came up with "Fartbama", some other racist came up with "Obongo". Snarky Farkers combined them to make "Fartbongo".
 
2012-12-21 10:06:18 AM
This is the manifestation of the damage caused by Public Idiot #1, Grover Nordquist.

Boehner couldn't even get GOP support for a tax increase of even those making over $1 million.
 
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