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(Washington Post)   Boehner aborts Plan B, Plan C is to go home for Christmas   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 485
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2012-12-20 11:39:38 PM  

Mega Steve: Did he cry? I don't think I've ever seen a grown man bawl as much as he does


Is anyone else concerned that the man who is two heartbeats away from the presidency cries more often than a fourth-grade schoolgirl?
 
2012-12-20 11:39:54 PM  

Corvus: There is almost nothing that gives me more joy than watching the GOP screw themselves over.

How can he not take Obama's deal now? He can't get the votes to pass his own deal in the Republican house.

GOP you suck!!!


He can't even take Obama's deal, because he can't deliver votes on it.

At this point, Obama is better off going around him and working with Pelosi to reach out to whatever small sliver of sane moderates are left in the GOP to strike a deal that will get them to join the Democrats to get enough vote to pass the House. I know moderate sane Republicans are all but an extinct species, but there have to be some defense hawks from military districts who are shiatting bricks right now about now.
 
2012-12-20 11:40:31 PM  
Hmmm...I'm not one for conspiracy theories (well, that's not true, but it sounds better this way), but what if....WHAT IF....once Boohooner found out Super Grover supported his plan he felt the need to withdraw it, because he knows the GOP is about to eat Grover for Christmas dinner?
 
2012-12-20 11:40:44 PM  
Why can't we herd all of the House and Senate back in there (yes, I know, herding cats) and chain lock the doors until they figure something workable out, while they're dropped down to minimum wages for a year?

Oh yeah, that's right... Because it's all Obama's fault...

We're completely farked, either way...
 
2012-12-20 11:41:19 PM  

Mentat: So all of you on the left who were raging at Obama for compromising, this is why I told you to relax.  The GOP is farking clown shoes.  The Democrats are united and have made several good faith compromises that they can show the people (including a tax cut bill that's passed the Senate), but the Tea Baggers are prepared to sink the ship out of spite.  Boehner has no control over them and now the knives are truly coming out.  All Obama has to do is sit back and wait.  If he can peel off enough GOP support to prevent a filibuster and push through a deal in the House, he doesn't need Boehner anymore.  If he can't, then he can sit back while we go over the cliff, let the GOP take the blame and then reset the terms after the first of the year.


I think you're right. In fact I think the 400k number he threw out there was a trap. He didn't honestly believe it would make it out of the Senate and I don't think he gives a crap if he ruffles some Dem feathers. They took it hook line and sinker. They refused the compromise on the tax rates, even refused the offer on social security and they have been drooling over that one. Plan B took it even farther to the extreme and they can't even get that out of the house.

We are going over the cliff. Everyones taxes are going to go up. Those fat cat defense contractors that support the republicans are looking at steep cuts. And on and on and on. By the time the new congress gets inaugurated they are going to have the entire planet pressuring them to get a farking deal done.

Make no mistake though. There is a civil war between establishment republicans and the tea party and it's a shooting war. The TP set Boehner up to fail just as much as the Whitehouse.

/not good for America at all
 
2012-12-20 11:41:50 PM  
And in case anyone thinks I'm taking joy in this, going over the cliff will probably fark me, as in "Holy shiat I'm middle aged and have to change careers".  But if that's what it takes to restore sanity to the government and the GOP and to break the power of the Tea Party, maybe that's what we have to do.
 
2012-12-20 11:41:51 PM  

sonnyboy11: Someone please help me out here with a non-partisan assessment of the situation. As I understand it, if we go over this so called "fiscal cliff" we run the chance of going into another recession.

Yes.

Is this chance of recession the only real reason not to strike some kind of deal now?
Umm no. Republicans want to cut entitlements democrats want taxes to go up on the rich, that's why a deal can't be made the recession is the. part putting pressure on making a deal.

And how likely is it we would slip into this possible recession if tax rates are left alone?

I

I think you missing the spending component of the "fiscal cliff". it is not only tax cuts but big cuts in defense and non-defense spending which will impact the economy.
 
2012-12-20 11:41:54 PM  

Jackson Herring: Does this mean we won't have another dozen headlines with this same unbelievably shiatty joke?


wait until the BONER BEGINS PREPARATION H jokes two weeks from now
 
2012-12-20 11:42:05 PM  
If "Plan B" had passed the House and gotten vetoed, Boehner could've at least pretended they tried and then attempted to pin the blame on Obama and the Senate. But failing to pass it at all exposes them as a bunch of incompetents. I don't see any other option but for a few Republicans (in very safe seats) to side with the Democrats on the Senate bill in order to avoid political suicide.
 
2012-12-20 11:42:37 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: sonnyboy11: Is this chance of recession the only real reason not to strike some kind of deal now?

We have to raise taxes and cut spending or else we'll go over the cliff which will result in us raising taxes and cutting spending.


So in short, this is all a buncha nonsense. Good. Let's go over the damn cliff already! Whatever it takes to get the wealthy back to paying their fair share.
 
2012-12-20 11:43:00 PM  

doyner: Darth_Lukecash: Worse. Speaker. Of. The. House. Ever.

This man is bad at his job.

No one could be both Speaker and rooted in reality these days.  So basically Boener's timing for ascending to the speakership just sucked.

But that doesn't change the fact that he speaks really douchey in his press conferences.


Then serve your farking country and denounce the members of your party for their role in diving off the fiscal cliff, or be called out as a failure.
 
2012-12-20 11:43:37 PM  
I thought that was an Onion article. What an asshole.
 
2012-12-20 11:44:14 PM  
This is pretty amazing. JB's proposal only raised taxes on millionaires, literally, and the baggers told him to stuff it. Incredible.
 
2012-12-20 11:44:22 PM  
The latest entry to
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2012-12-20 11:44:33 PM  
Try Plan 9, Boner. The one where the brain-dead zombies are supposed to rule the world.

"You people of Earth are idiots!"
 
2012-12-20 11:44:34 PM  

Mentat: Watching Eric Cantor run away from the press tonight would be hilarious if the consequences weren't so great. You never want to say never in politics, but it sure feels like the GOP screwed themselves tonight. If I were Obama, I would make another offer to Boehner (by choice, not because he's forced to) and see if they can get enough votes to push something through. Otherwise, cut Boehner out and see if Obama can get the votes himself.


I think it will help a deal to be reached actually. It will force Boehner to compromise because he MUST have Dem votes to pass any bill in the house.

Democrats believe they can pass a bill in the house ALREADY, but Boehner won't let it come up for a vote. They think they could get it passed now already so you point doesn't make sense.
 
2012-12-20 11:45:17 PM  
Also, as I understand it, Fiscal Cliff is really more of a Fiscal Steep Grade. I wonder if it would push off the next debt limit crisis.
 
2012-12-20 11:45:29 PM  

enry:
For all the misguided hate on Pelosi, she really got stuff done.


You know who else got shiat done?
 
2012-12-20 11:45:38 PM  
To quote Jennifer Rubin (a conservative): "House R's humiliate their speaker, hand Obama a sword and discredit their ability to govern.. what's the encore?"
 
2012-12-20 11:45:46 PM  
i48.tinypic.com

"I made a poop!"
 
2012-12-20 11:45:52 PM  
Dear Mr. President,

Either invoke Article II Section 3 and make those martherfarkers celebrate in the Capitol or APPOINT EVERYBODY!

Sincerely,
A. Voter
 
2012-12-20 11:46:00 PM  

InmanRoshi: I know moderate sane Republicans are all but an extinct species, but there have to be some defense hawks from military districts who are shiatting bricks right now about now.



Problem is, even if there are moderate Republicans left, they've been blackmailed into sticking with the party, or they'll face a teabagger in their next primary.
 
2012-12-20 11:46:12 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Worse. Speaker. Of. The. House. Ever.

This man is bad at his job.


well...yeah, I mean he is kinda bad at his job...but to be fair, he's gotta somehow ride heard on the GOP, which is a party that's almost completely delusional at this point.  he's gotta be the one eyed man in the kingdom of the blind/crazy people who wanna give more money to rich people.  so i'm not sure just how much blame to put on him.
 
2012-12-20 11:46:36 PM  
How can you be so obtuse?

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-20 11:46:40 PM  

Smackledorfer: doyner: Darth_Lukecash: Worse. Speaker. Of. The. House. Ever.

This man is bad at his job.

No one could be both Speaker and rooted in reality these days.  So basically Boener's timing for ascending to the speakership just sucked.

But that doesn't change the fact that he speaks really douchey in his press conferences.

Then serve your farking country and denounce the members of your party for their role in diving off the fiscal cliff, or be called out as a failure.


He's too busy painting Obama with his own sins:

"I'm convinced the president is unwilling to stand up to his own party," Boehner said at a press conference on Capitol Hill.

The ironing is delicious.
 
2012-12-20 11:47:04 PM  

sonnyboy11: Dusk-You-n-Me: sonnyboy11: Is this chance of recession the only real reason not to strike some kind of deal now?

We have to raise taxes and cut spending or else we'll go over the cliff which will result in us raising taxes and cutting spending.

So in short, this is all a buncha nonsense. Good. Let's go over the damn cliff already! Whatever it takes to get the wealthy back to paying their fair share.


Well, the House will either eat shiat or own the recession. Not a great prognosis.
 
2012-12-20 11:47:10 PM  

thornhill: To quote Jennifer Rubin (a conservative): "House R's humiliate their speaker, hand Obama a sword and discredit their ability to govern.. what's the encore?"


That's the sanest sh*t I've seen come out of that chick's mouth in ever. IN EVER!
 
2012-12-20 11:47:25 PM  
i48.tinypic.com

"PENIS WENT THERE!"
 
2012-12-20 11:47:33 PM  

Corvus: Mentat: Watching Eric Cantor run away from the press tonight would be hilarious if the consequences weren't so great. You never want to say never in politics, but it sure feels like the GOP screwed themselves tonight. If I were Obama, I would make another offer to Boehner (by choice, not because he's forced to) and see if they can get enough votes to push something through. Otherwise, cut Boehner out and see if Obama can get the votes himself.

I think it will help a deal to be reached actually. It will force Boehner to compromise because he MUST have Dem votes to pass any bill in the house.

Democrats believe they can pass a bill in the house ALREADY, but Boehner won't let it come up for a vote. They think they could get it passed now already so you point doesn't make sense.


I'm not sure where we're in disagreement.
 
2012-12-20 11:48:03 PM  
Cantor promised Boehner that he could deliver the votes .... just like Littlefinger promised Ned Stark he would deliver the Gold Cloaks.
 
2012-12-20 11:48:33 PM  

sonnyboy11: Someone please help me out here with a non-partisan assessment of the situation. As I understand it, if we go over this so called "fiscal cliff" we run the chance of going into another recession. Is this chance of recession the only real reason not to strike some kind of deal now? And how likely is it we would slip into this possible recession if tax rates are left alone?

I


First of all, it's not a fiscal cliff, more of a fiscal slope that gets steeper each month into 2013. People will get smaller paychecks starting Jan. 1 (they won't lose their jobs right away), spending cuts will be the biggest pain first. Doctors will shun Medicaid and Medicare patients beginning immediately, defense contractors probably won't lay people off wholesale at the beginning, but it could happen if programs start getting chopped pretty quick. Lots of other areas where spending will dry up will be affected too.

I am not sold on the fact that we will actually dip back into a recession even if there's no movement for an entire year. It may be a wasted year as far as GDP growth is concerned, but it's not going to even last a full year.

If a deal isn't done come Jan. 1, taxes are going up on everyone. It becomes much easier for Obama/ Democratic Senators to start throwing out bills to cut taxes and watch the GOP burn as they shoot them down out of spite. Also, both parties will probably cave fairly quickly on spending measures for health care/defense.

This will all be resolved around the time of the Super Bowl at the latest and any tax cut is likely to be retroactive to Jan. 1 if we go over the slope.
 
2012-12-20 11:48:47 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: Problem is, even if there are moderate Republicans left, they've been blackmailed into sticking with the party, or they'll face a teabagger in their next primary.


The Tea Party is an anchor.  Boehner already tried to cut them loose by taking away key committee assignments.  Now other Republicans have to step up and put them in their place.
 
2012-12-20 11:49:01 PM  

foreman3: DarkSkyForever: Now... just stay with me here... now why can't we just let tax rates rise back to Clinton levels?

Or, why not just go back to Clinton Spending Levels?


Something about the economy needing money injected into it and the private sector not being willing to do so and Europe and Japan showing us what happens when the government doesn't do it in situations like this?

I dunno, like history or something.
 
2012-12-20 11:49:13 PM  

InmanRoshi: Cantor promised Boehner that he could deliver the votes .... just like Littlefinger promised Ned Stark he would deliver the Gold Cloaks.


which...technically...littlefinger DID do.  He just neglected to mention which side they'd be on when they showed up.
 
2012-12-20 11:49:32 PM  

Corvus: sonnyboy11: Someone please help me out here with a non-partisan assessment of the situation. As I understand it, if we go over this so called "fiscal cliff" we run the chance of going into another recession.
Yes.

Is this chance of recession the only real reason not to strike some kind of deal now?
Umm no. Republicans want to cut entitlements democrats want taxes to go up on the rich, that's why a deal can't be made the recession is the. part putting pressure on making a deal.

And how likely is it we would slip into this possible recession if tax rates are left alone?

I
I think you missing the spending component of the "fiscal cliff". it is not only tax cuts but big cuts in defense and non-defense spending which will impact the economy.


Why would cuts in defense spending be a bad thing? I think too much is spent on defense already and am all in favor of cuts in that area. Where is the negative component?
 
2012-12-20 11:49:50 PM  

BionicCrab: This is pretty amazing. JB's proposal only raised taxes on millionaires, literally, and the baggers told him to stuff it. Incredible.


This is really it -- the GOP provided clear proof that they rather see everyone pay more in taxes than just millionaires. House members in safe districts are going to be ok come 2014, but it could end up being a very awkward cycle for Republicans running statewide.
 
2012-12-20 11:49:52 PM  

foreman3: DarkSkyForever: Now... just stay with me here... now why can't we just let tax rates rise back to Clinton levels?

Or, why not just go back to Clinton Spending Levels?


Taking spending as a percentage that would be quite appropriate yes.
 
2012-12-20 11:49:58 PM  

InmanRoshi: Cantor promised Boehner that he could deliver the votes .... just like Littlefinger promised Ned Stark he would deliver the Gold Cloaks.


Scorpion and the Frog
 
2012-12-20 11:51:42 PM  

NewportBarGuy: thornhill: To quote Jennifer Rubin (a conservative): "House R's humiliate their speaker, hand Obama a sword and discredit their ability to govern.. what's the encore?"

That's the sanest sh*t I've seen come out of that chick's mouth in ever. IN EVER!


She is really ripping into the GOP tonight:

Unfortunately his caucus has rendered Boehner a nonplayer in any future fiscal negotiation because he can no longer speak for his conference. Perhaps Boehner should quit and let the House GOP stew and watch as the country grabs pitchforks and torches to come after the tax-hikers. This is a party acting like a minority party, or worse, like petulant teenagers.

The world of Heritage Action Network, Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) and the other all-or-nothing hard-liners in the conservative media have encouraged and will delight in this sort of fiasco. That said, the fault lies with the spineless members who think they'll escape blame if they don't vote for any measure. That is folly, not to mention political cowardice. To govern is to choose, and they apparently can do neither.
 
2012-12-20 11:52:03 PM  

Irving Maimway: foreman3: DarkSkyForever: Now... just stay with me here... now why can't we just let tax rates rise back to Clinton levels?

Or, why not just go back to Clinton Spending Levels?

Something about the economy needing money injected into it and the private sector not being willing to do so and Europe and Japan showing us what happens when the government doesn't do it in situations like this?

I dunno, like history or something.


Favorited.

Seriously, Mr. President, fill all of the empty federal benches and hang it on the Republicant's.
 
2012-12-20 11:52:08 PM  
Speaker of the house
Doling out the charm
Ready with a handshake
And an open palm
Tells a saucy tale
Makes a little stir
Customers appreciate a bon-viveur

Glad to do a friend a favor
Doesn't cost me to be nice
But nothing gets you nothing
Everything has got a little price!

Speaker of the house
Keeper of the zoo
Ready to relieve 'em
Of a sou or two
Watering the wine
Making up the weight
Pickin' up their knick-knacks
When they can't see straight
Everybody loves a landlord
Everybody's bosom friend
I do whatever pleases
Jesus! Won't I bleed 'em in the end!
 
2012-12-20 11:52:25 PM  

enry: For all the misguided hate on Pelosi, she really got stuff done.


You clearly don't remember the healthcare reform wrangling. Half the fault was Obama's for not pushing forward on his own, but she should get a lot of flack for the bill being reduced to the husk it is now.
 
2012-12-20 11:52:52 PM  
Oh and I can't believe I'm the first.

www.dialbforblog.com
 
2012-12-20 11:53:22 PM  
So who's going to be the new Speaker of the House?

Boehner shouldn't even want the job any longer. The teabaggers set him up, then left him out to hang. He should be thinking "fark them".

If the tea party installs one of their own as speaker, any remaining charade of Republican willingness to negotiate will evaporate. Boehner may be a terrible leader, but he's not a complete wingnut. If they vote a tea party wingnut into the job, it might result in their losing the house in the 2014 mid-terms.

/Here's hoping
//We are almost certainly going over the cliff. Now, the Repubicans are going to get all of the blame.
///Popcorn
 
2012-12-20 11:53:53 PM  

RandomRandom: So who's going to be the new Speaker of the House?


eric cantor?
 
2012-12-20 11:54:10 PM  

doyner: Darth_Lukecash: Worse. Speaker. Of. The. House. Ever.

This man is bad at his job.

No one could be both Speaker and rooted in reality these days.  So basically Boener's timing for ascending to the speakership just sucked.

But that doesn't change the fact that he speaks really douchey in his press conferences.


SilentStrider: Worse than whats his apname before Pelosi?


Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin: How quickly they forget......
[pics of laughing Gingrich]
/The Adulterer laughs in your general direction.


enry: Naah. He's a disgusting human being but he was able to get bills passed.

Boehner is a disgusting human being that can't get bills passed.

For all the misguided hate on Pelosi, she really got stuff done.


MaudlinMutantMollusk: I. WILL. EAT. YOUR. SOUL.


No, he really is the worst.
Not just in incompetence, but also in sheer evil and willingness to corrupt the process without a hint of shame nor conscience.
 
2012-12-20 11:54:10 PM  

sonnyboy11: Corvus: sonnyboy11: Someone please help me out here with a non-partisan assessment of the situation. As I understand it, if we go over this so called "fiscal cliff" we run the chance of going into another recession.
Yes.

Is this chance of recession the only real reason not to strike some kind of deal now?
Umm no. Republicans want to cut entitlements democrats want taxes to go up on the rich, that's why a deal can't be made the recession is the. part putting pressure on making a deal.

And how likely is it we would slip into this possible recession if tax rates are left alone?

I
I think you missing the spending component of the "fiscal cliff". it is not only tax cuts but big cuts in defense and non-defense spending which will impact the economy.

Why would cuts in defense spending be a bad thing? I think too much is spent on defense already and am all in favor of cuts in that area. Where is the negative component?


People lose jobs, state budgets get worse due to increased unemployment and lower taxes. Fed gov has to make up the difference, negating most of the savings, at least in the short run.
 
2012-12-20 11:54:11 PM  

sonnyboy11: Why would cuts in defense spending be a bad thing? I think too much is spent on defense already and am all in favor of cuts in that area. Where is the negative component?


Take away politics for a minute.  Defense cuts represent a significant amount of spending that's suddenly going to go away.  Not reallocated, gone.  That's going to have an economic effect.  One of the straw men that conservatives use regarding the Great Depression is that it was war spending that got us out of the Depression, not the New Deal.  But by every measure, New Deal spending and defense spending had the same effect on the economy.  From the perspective of the economy, it doesn't matter where the money is being spent so long as it's being spent.  Long term, obviously, it would be better to reallocate to domestic spending, but that's not the issue with the fiscal cliff.
 
2012-12-20 11:55:14 PM  
Worst. Speaker. Ever.
 
2012-12-20 11:55:30 PM  

sonnyboy11: Corvus: sonnyboy11: Someone please help me out here with a non-partisan assessment of the situation. As I understand it, if we go over this so called "fiscal cliff" we run the chance of going into another recession.
Yes.

Is this chance of recession the only real reason not to strike some kind of deal now?
Umm no. Republicans want to cut entitlements democrats want taxes to go up on the rich, that's why a deal can't be made the recession is the. part putting pressure on making a deal.

And how likely is it we would slip into this possible recession if tax rates are left alone?

I
I think you missing the spending component of the "fiscal cliff". it is not only tax cuts but big cuts in defense and non-defense spending which will impact the economy.

Why would cuts in defense spending be a bad thing? I think too much is spent on defense already and am all in favor of cuts in that area. Where is the negative component?


The Cuban, Mexican, and Canadian Armies are at our borders! What do you think will happen if we don't spend 7x the amount of the rest of the entire world on our military? Duh.
 
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