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(WOODTV Grand Rapids)   "Guns are not the problem...mental illness is the problem," says mom who keeps a gun because she lives in fear for her life from her mentally ill son   (woodtv.com) divider line 194
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2012-12-20 06:37:29 PM  
What do you do with a child like that?  Do nothing until he snaps and kills someone?
 
2012-12-20 07:52:41 PM  
To what
 
2012-12-20 07:53:22 PM  

Indubitably: To what


You cannot be serious?
 
Grrr.
 
2012-12-20 07:54:45 PM  

syrynxx: What do you do with a child like that?  Do nothing until he snaps and kills someone?


Euthanize and try again?
 
2012-12-20 07:54:55 PM  

syrynxx: What do you do with a child like that?  Do nothing until he snaps and kills someone?


Buy him a copy of Call of Duty.
 
2012-12-20 07:55:45 PM  
But then I'd have to pay more taxes and I'd rather schools got shot up than pay more taxes.
 
2012-12-20 07:55:47 PM  

syrynxx: What do you do with a child like that?  Do nothing until he snaps and kills someone?


Easy. He's coming right for us!

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2012-12-20 07:56:06 PM  
My guess if mom can fix her vocal fry, everyone around her would be less crazy.
 
2012-12-20 07:56:19 PM  
This the End, my only friend, the End.
 
2012-12-20 07:56:51 PM  
Only in freakin' Grand Rapids would anyone be that fakring stupid.
 
2012-12-20 07:57:11 PM  
Hope she's a responsible gun owner and hide's it somewhere smart like the flour bowl or in plain site.
 
2012-12-20 07:57:15 PM  
Left out the part where they're in a safe. If the 13 year old is intent upon killing them, I expect cracking the safe would not be the path of least resistance.
 
2012-12-20 07:57:22 PM  
Look in a mirror first, then look at them.
 
2012-12-20 07:57:37 PM  

syrynxx: What do you do with a child like that?  Do nothing until he snaps and kills someone?


Euthanize him for the greater good.
 
2012-12-20 07:57:53 PM  

syrynxx: What do you do with a child like that?  Do nothing until he snaps and kills someone?


Put a pillow over his head and smother him in his sleep. 
 
Seriously. Even animals know what to do when they have defective young.
 
2012-12-20 07:58:42 PM  
Somebody please explain to me how she's mistaken.
 
2012-12-20 07:59:03 PM  

syrynxx: What do you do with a child like that?  Do nothing until he snaps and kills someone?


"Accidentally" leave your gun out in hopes that your child will kill himself and thereby relieve you of your burden? No way that could back-fire.
 
2012-12-20 07:59:06 PM  

syrynxx: What do you do with a child like that?  Do nothing until he snaps and kills someone?


"he says he'll kill himself"

Let him. Problem solved.
 
2012-12-20 08:00:13 PM  
No, mental illness is a problem. As is the easy availability of firearms. The two are only tangentially related.

The harping about mental illness is driven by conservatives rationalizing their violent crime enablement and liberals polishing their nonpartisan bona fides.
 
2012-12-20 08:00:48 PM  
This new trend of parents going on the record and exposing the confidential and highly sensitive medical information of their minor children does not sit well with me at all.
 
2012-12-20 08:01:39 PM  
Oh, look...another gun control thread.
 
/bails
 
2012-12-20 08:01:40 PM  
Quit using pronouns, you jackhats.
 
Grow up.
 
2012-12-20 08:01:41 PM  

Belias: Left out the part where they're in a safe. If the 13 year old is intent upon killing them, I expect cracking the safe would not be the path of least resistance.


You're right, she would be dead by the time the kid goes stabby.

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2012-12-20 08:01:59 PM  

spamdog: But then I'd have to pay more taxes and I'd rather schools got shot up than pay more taxes.


With less students to teach, your taxes should go down. It's nice that someone has the nerve to cull the herd every once in a while.

/window seat.
 
2012-12-20 08:02:55 PM  
Mental illness isn't the problem, the fact that the ACLU brought a series of suits saying that you can't lock people up for just being crazy you have to prove that they are a threat to themselves or others. If the police had dropped by the Lanzas that morning before he shot his mother there is nothing they could have done to save her or the kids at that school.
 
2012-12-20 08:03:05 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: syrynxx: What do you do with a child like that?  Do nothing until he snaps and kills someone?

Put a pillow over his head and smother him in his sleep.

Seriously. Even animals know what to do when they have defective young.


My cat ate hers.
 
2012-12-20 08:03:42 PM  
There have always been crazy people, and there will always be crazy people. There is no simple solution to improve mental healthcare. The real problem here is "crazy got a gun." If this dipshiat had been armed with a kitchen knife or some shiatty "bombs" of the type that the Columbine @ssholes tried unsuccessfully to use, there wouldn't be 20 dead 6 year-olds in Newtown a week before Christmas. The guns are the problem, and everyone who isn't a biased gun nut can see it. The only question is what to do about it.
 
And if you have a crazy person in your house, you should not have any guns. Even in a safe, kids are crafty. I knew quite a few kids growing up who knew how to get into the family safe, and their parents had no farking clue. The fact that this wacko's mom TRAINED HIM to use a gun is so impossibly stupid (but legal! yay America!).
 
2012-12-20 08:04:01 PM  

mc_madness: syrynxx: What do you do with a child like that?  Do nothing until he snaps and kills someone?

Euthanize him for the greater good.


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The Greater Good
 
2012-12-20 08:04:02 PM  

Genevieve Marie: This new trend of parents going on the record and exposing the confidential and highly sensitive medical information of their minor children does not sit well with me at all.


Maybe people should actually talk about mental illness publicly instead of pretending it doesn't exist and treating it like a leper colony.
 
2012-12-20 08:04:07 PM  

Genevieve Marie: This new trend of parents going on the record and exposing the confidential and highly sensitive medical information of their minor children does not sit well with me at all.


They're allowed to, though, aren't they?  Just like they can release information about themselves, they can also release information about their kids.  Parents are the ones who give consent for medical procedures and transfer of medical records from one hospital to the next, so why can't they talk about them publicly, too?
 
/Not saying they should
 
2012-12-20 08:05:04 PM  
GRAND RAPIDS, Mich. (WOOD) - They have rigged their bedroom door to make noise when it's opened, for fear their mentally ill son will try to kill them in their sleep.

Their other children know when to lock themselves in another room. They've locked kitchen knives in their safe.

"At the worst of it last year, I had to come to terms with the idea that I may have to kill my own child in order to protect my family," said the boy's dad, Paul Ledford.


/This is truly the trap most parents fall in when they have a mentally unstable child that they fear could harm them or their families. You can call the police, emergency services, but they will say, "What have they done? We can't do anything unless they have threatened or caused injury to themselves or someone else.". It's the law, they can't touch them unless they have already hurt someone, or are armed and threatening. Otherwise...we can't arrest or commit someone for being weird. Weird isn't against the law.

This is sad, as i had a mentally ill sister who was a paranoid schizophrenic. She acted odd, but the could do nothing until she tried to drown my child in the tub. Then, yes, they could act. Until that point, you live in fear that the person will wake you up with a knife in your neck, or hearing gunshots. I feel very sad for this family.
 
2012-12-20 08:05:17 PM  

Genevieve Marie: This new trend of parents going on the record and exposing the confidential and highly sensitive medical information of their minor children does not sit well with me at all.


Why not? They are in charge of the minor and are in charge of all their medical decisions including the right to or not to talk about medical info.
 
2012-12-20 08:06:10 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: syrynxx: What do you do with a child like that?  Do nothing until he snaps and kills someone?

Put a pillow over his head and smother him in his sleep.

Seriously. Even animals know what to do when they have defective young.


' "At the age of 6, he had a suicide plan," she said. ' It's depressing to think about, but there could very well be a long-developed reason why so many illness have suicidal tendencies as a symptom.
 
2012-12-20 08:06:25 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: syrynxx: What do you do with a child like that?  Do nothing until he snaps and kills someone?

Put a pillow over his head and smother him in his sleep. 
 
Seriously. Even animals know what to do when they have defective young.


Nah, you get prededtors to do the dirty work. Encourage the kid to take rides from a stranger with puppies.
 
2012-12-20 08:06:37 PM  

syrynxx: What do you do with a child like that?  Do nothing until he snaps and kills someone?

They have rigged their bedroom door to make noise when it's opened, for fear their mentally ill son will try to kill them in their sleep.


Off hand, it's time he was institutionalized...ok, past time he was institutionalized.
 
2012-12-20 08:06:56 PM  
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We have the solutions in case you reeeeaaallly want to use them.
 
2012-12-20 08:07:02 PM  

Indubitably: Look in a mirror first, then look at them.


This requires personal responsibility. A trait that, sadly, has become a lost art.
 
2012-12-20 08:07:15 PM  

syrynxx: What do you do with a child like that?  Do nothing until he snaps and kills someone?


There isn't anything to do.
I was listening to a local psychiatrist describe how the funding simply dried up and many facilities shut down decades ago. Patients have no where to go, there was no treatment for many. A good number end up homeless or in jail.
They'll probably just keep the kid till he's old enough to wander off someplace on his own. God only knows what will happen.

The government, meanwhile, is trying to decide how many clips should fit in the magazine of an assault pistol.
 
2012-12-20 08:08:00 PM  
Welcome to the ugly underbelly of mental health care in America.

Pretty much yes...if you can't fork over the $1000 per day to keep your teenaged danger to society in a place where he can get the treatment he needs, you are forced to keep him in your home essentially without treatment or turn him out on the streets.

This couple is living a nightmare. And the government thinks that taking the guns out of this house is going to prevent this kid from killing his parents. WTF?
 
2012-12-20 08:08:40 PM  
shower_in_my_socks: "crazy got a gun."

I love Aerosmith.
 
2012-12-20 08:09:26 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: And if you have a crazy person in your house, you should not have any guns. Even in a safe, kids are crafty. I knew quite a few kids growing up who knew how to get into the family safe, and their parents had no farking clue. The fact that this wacko's mom TRAINED HIM to use a gun is so impossibly stupid (but legal! yay America!).


B-b-b-but Second Amendment! And B. Hussein Obama killing our freedoms!.
 
2012-12-20 08:09:52 PM  

mgshamster: Genevieve Marie: This new trend of parents going on the record and exposing the confidential and highly sensitive medical information of their minor children does not sit well with me at all.

They're allowed to, though, aren't they?  Just like they can release information about themselves, they can also release information about their kids.  Parents are the ones who give consent for medical procedures and transfer of medical records from one hospital to the next, so why can't they talk about them publicly, too?
 
/Not saying they should


Oh they're absolutely legally allowed to, I just personally think it's a very bad decision. This kid is 13. The kid from that "I am Adam Lanza's Mother" piece is 11. Their parents have chosen to publicly label them as likely threats to society, in spite of the fact that mass shootings are actually still pretty rare, and in spite of the fact that mentally ill people are actually more likely to be the victims of crime than the perpetrators.

Yes, the mental health system needs major overhaul, but people are making a lot of assumptions about Adam Lanza right now without a whole lot of evidence to go on. I'm sure mental illness was a factor, but we don't know how big a factor or exactly what happened and why yet, and we probably won't for a long time.

I seem to recall some of the same issues being discussed after Columbine, and it turned out later that almost all of the media narrative on the story was false and had very little to do with what actually happened.
 
2012-12-20 08:10:07 PM  
For the "clever" insinuators: gotcha.
 
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2012-12-20 08:10:27 PM  

Belias: Left out the part where they're in a safe. If the 13 year old is intent upon killing them, I expect cracking the safe would not be the path of least resistance.


I would also expect the mom to be dead before she could get the gun. And if she EVER EVER EVER leaves it unlocked or the combination gets leaked...
 
2012-12-20 08:10:52 PM  

Genevieve Marie: This new trend of parents going on the record and exposing the confidential and highly sensitive medical information of their minor children does not sit well with me at all.


My grade 4 teacher used to tell a joke:

Name 3 things that you can use to tell a secret:
1. Telephone
2. Telegraph
3. Tellawoman

Get it? "Tell a woman", heh... I slay me!
 
2012-12-20 08:11:47 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: GRAND RAPIDS, Mich. (WOOD) - They have rigged their bedroom door to make noise when it's opened, for fear their mentally ill son will try to kill them in their sleep.

Their other children know when to lock themselves in another room. They've locked kitchen knives in their safe.

"At the worst of it last year, I had to come to terms with the idea that I may have to kill my own child in order to protect my family," said the boy's dad, Paul Ledford.

/This is truly the trap most parents fall in when they have a mentally unstable child that they fear could harm them or their families. You can call the police, emergency services, but they will say, "What have they done? We can't do anything unless they have threatened or caused injury to themselves or someone else.". It's the law, they can't touch them unless they have already hurt someone, or are armed and threatening. Otherwise...we can't arrest or commit someone for being weird. Weird isn't against the law.

This is sad, as i had a mentally ill sister who was a paranoid schizophrenic. She acted odd, but the could do nothing until she tried to drown my child in the tub. Then, yes, they could act. Until that point, you live in fear that the person will wake you up with a knife in your neck, or hearing gunshots. I feel very sad for this family.


Wow. God that's horrible.
 
2012-12-20 08:12:16 PM  
Mental illness must be epidemic in the US. Is it a symptom or cause of the insatiable need for guns?
 
2012-12-20 08:12:30 PM  
Maybe, just maybe, if Americans stop glorifying guns, and death, and combat, and the army, and focused more on the well-being of nation (both in body and in mind), it would be great.

Movies and video games are not the cause, they are the by-product of a recent embellishment of Death, while forsaking health.
 
2012-12-20 08:12:58 PM  
This is what I've been saying all week. Guns are not the problem, they are only the tool of the mentally ill that are not being helped, and have more rights than we do.
 
2012-12-20 08:12:58 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: There have always been crazy people, and there will always be crazy people. There is no simple " to improve mental healthcare. The real problem here is "crazy got a gun." If this dipshiat had been armed with a kitchen knife or some shiatty "bombs" of the type that the Columbine @ssholes tried unsuccessfully to use, there wouldn't be 20 dead 6 year-olds in Newtown a week before Christmas. The guns are the problem, and everyone who isn't a biased gun nut can see it. The only question is what to do about it.

And if you have a crazy person in your house, you should not have any guns. Even in a safe, kids are crafty. I knew quite a few kids growing up who knew how to get into the family safe, and their parents had no farking clue. The fact that this wacko's mom TRAINED HIM to use a gun is so impossibly stupid (but legal! yay America!).


The worst school "shooting" happened in the 1920s, and it was a maniac who blew up a school using a bomb. And, that assault weapon in the newtown shooting? It was locked in his car, un-used. He shot people with something no reasonable gun law would have prevented.

Don't write when you've given up all your freedoms in the name of temporary safety.
 
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