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(Time)   American taxpayers on the hook for: A) $80,000 for Romney's post-election victory fireworks, B) $320,000 for his victory dinner, or C) $8.9 million for his Presidential Transition Team   (swampland.time.com) divider line 43
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2012-12-20 03:37:38 PM  
We advanced the transition date back in 1933 with the 20th amendment, because too long of a span (early March) caused issues, and left a lame duck in for too long when bad things happened - see Southern Secession while Lincoln was waiting to take office. Why isn't more than two months adequate?
 
2012-12-20 04:05:51 PM  
Ok, but most of that was because we never had a transition office before, right? Romney doesn't get to keep all that stuff, so in November of 2016, the next President-Elect will get to use it.

seems like a good idea, actually.
 
2012-12-20 04:15:16 PM  

what_now: Ok, but most of that was because we never had a transition office before, right? Romney doesn't get to keep all that stuff, so in November of 2016, the next President-Elect will get to use it.

seems like a good idea, actually.


Of course. Because 4-year-old cell phones and laptops and an office floor plan designed for someone with a completely different managerial style are the first things on anyone's list of things that make running the country easier.
 
2012-12-20 05:04:05 PM  

ox45tallboy: Of course. Because 4-year-old cell phones and laptops and an office floor plan designed for someone with a completely different managerial style are the first things on anyone's list of things that make running the country easier.


Ok, look. As a Masshole, I despise Mitt Romney more than your average 47%, but the idea of a transition office is either a good one or a bad one. TFA says that they'll use the laptops and such for other government offices.


The design, construction and space planning for the Romney team's office space, which took up multiple floors in the Mary E. Switzer building a couple miles from the White House, cost about $2.5 million. The furniture bill came in around $740,000, and basics like office supplies cost about $30,000. The biggest chunk by far came from communications and related hardware. Items such as IT services, computer equipment and cell phones cost $5.6 million. The GSA noted that some of the resources would be recycled; Dell Latitude Laptops bought for Romney's 500-strong transition team, for example, will be used by other parts of the federal government.7


The $3.2 million was spent on designing the space and buying desks. in 2016, President Elect Warren's staff can use the space.
 
2012-12-20 05:11:42 PM  

what_now: The $3.2 million was spent on designing the space and buying desks. in 2016, President Elect Warren's staff can use the space.


The building itself is already owned by the Federal Government, so this money was just for cubicles and design work and the like. The problem is, should we let this much stuff, as well as this much DC office space sit around unused for 4 years, or spend even more money redesigning the space and putting in new cubicles so it can be used for a different purpose?

It seems Team Romney had a hand in designing this space in such a way that it would fit their own managerial style. It may not be a good fit for Warren, and its a certainty that the IT equipment will very much outdated.

what_now: the idea of a transition office is either a good one or a bad one.


And I say it's not worth spending the money on "just in case" the incumbent is defeated. That $9.8 million could have put a 27th camera on the Mars Rover.
 
2012-12-20 05:12:49 PM  
It's worth that much to see him not have a use for it
 
2012-12-20 05:18:39 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: It's worth that much to see him not have a use for it


Obama needs to tweet a pic of his campaign staff throwing a party there (with plenty of booze) with he himself sitting with his feet propped up on the manager's desk.
 
2012-12-20 05:29:32 PM  
I don't see how you can complain about this. Making the transition as smooth as possible benefits the nation.

Now what I do question is why an office had to be built from the ground up. It seems likely that there is a lot of federally owned office space available in DC that could have been used with little modification.
 
2012-12-20 05:30:17 PM  

ox45tallboy: MaudlinMutantMollusk: It's worth that much to see him not have a use for it

Obama needs to tweet a pic of his campaign staff throwing a party there (with plenty of booze) with he himself sitting with his feet propped up on the manager's desk.


And the computer screen on the desk should display Romney's presidential transition website.
 
2012-12-20 05:34:00 PM  

ox45tallboy: Obama needs to tweet a pic of his campaign staff throwing a party there (with plenty of booze) with he himself sitting with his feet propped up on the manager's desk.


now this I can get behind!!
 
2012-12-20 05:35:27 PM  
And in 2016, there'll be two transition teams.

This is insane. Why are the taxpayers paying for this?
 
2012-12-20 05:36:08 PM  

what_now: ox45tallboy: Obama needs to tweet a pic of his campaign staff throwing a party there (with plenty of booze) with he himself sitting with his feet propped up on the manager's desk.

now this I can get behind!!


As well as coffee and cigarettes? Not a big fan of smoking, but to complete the tweet it needs those as well.
 
2012-12-20 05:39:21 PM  
Fire one million cab drivers.
 
2012-12-20 05:41:44 PM  

thornhill: I don't see how you can complain about this. Making the transition as smooth as possible benefits the nation.

Now what I do question is why an office had to be built from the ground up. It seems likely that there is a lot of federally owned office space available in DC that could have been used with little modification.


Agreed, it's not the need for it that is the problem but rather the implementation.
 
2012-12-20 05:42:02 PM  
Seeing Romney instead having to pump gas all by himself in the dead of night: PRICELESS!!
 
2012-12-20 05:46:15 PM  

The Short Bald Guy from Benny Hill: thornhill: I don't see how you can complain about this. Making the transition as smooth as possible benefits the nation.

Now what I do question is why an office had to be built from the ground up. It seems likely that there is a lot of federally owned office space available in DC that could have been used with little modification.

Agreed, it's not the need for it that is the problem but rather the implementation.


I still don't see a need for this. Why is there a need to fund a transition team before we're even sure there will be a transition? Is 2 1/2 months just not enough time to formulate a transition plan?
 
2012-12-20 05:46:39 PM  

thornhill: I don't see how you can complain about this. Making the transition as smooth as possible benefits the nation.

Now what I do question is why an office had to be built from the ground up. It seems likely that there is a lot of federally owned office space available in DC that could have been used with little modification.


Personally I think it's retarded that any checks for this were signed before the election was actually held. I'd be happier with a longer transition time just so people don't get as presumptuous/deluded as Rmoney.
 
2012-12-20 05:46:53 PM  

ox45tallboy:

Obama needs to tweet a pic of his campaign staff throwing a party there (with plenty of booze) with he himself sitting with his feet propped up on the manager's desk.


This would be epic. I could really look forward to this IRL.

Sadly, the truth is mittens still thinks he won, and will probably try to move in.
 
2012-12-20 05:49:53 PM  
Well, when you put one of these in every office, the money adds up pretty quickly.
 
2012-12-20 05:59:03 PM  
OK, but we have to cut $8.9 million in spending on lazy urbanite slavery reparations.
 
2012-12-20 06:08:16 PM  

Sheila_McSly: Well, when you put one of these in every office, the money adds up pretty quickly.


$1,800.00 for shipping? WTF. I've paid movers less than that for shipping the contents in a one bedroom 1,200 miles.
 
2012-12-20 06:26:30 PM  

what_now: Ok, but most of that was because we never had a transition office before, right? Romney doesn't get to keep all that stuff, so in November of 2016, the next President-Elect will get to use it.

seems like a good idea, actually.


It's not like it just sits there staying up-to-date. ANy computer equipment, phones, tablets, etc., it'll all be long gone by the time the next money-waster comes strolling by. Also, there's no indicator that the space they set up will be held over. It'll be long gone by the next election. They have to put their offices somewhere else.
 
2012-12-20 07:04:08 PM  
But the Obama's spent elenty billion on their last vacation, so there.
 
2012-12-20 07:07:00 PM  

Sheila_McSly: Well, when you put one of these in every office, the money adds up pretty quickly.


Where does the slapping line start?

/It's Slapsgiving!
/crossing my memes
 
2012-12-20 07:07:20 PM  
How much does it cost to support leaders of countries:
Queen Elizabeth: £7.9 million a year
Obama: Over $1 billion

We really have a thread for the Romney costs?

National Debt when George W. Bush took over: $5.727 Trillion
National Debt when GWB left office after 8 years: $10.6 Trillion
National Debt after 4 yrs of Obama (as of today): $16.3 Trillion

Yes, things cost more now.. economy not the same as when Clinton or Bush 41 were in office, but still.

/We have bigger things to worry about...
// DUKE STILL ROCKS!

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2012-12-20 07:22:55 PM  

diaphoresis: How much does it cost to support leaders of countries:
Queen Elizabeth: £7.9 million a year
Obama: Over $1 billion



Comparing QE to BO? Shouldn't you be comparing appples to apples rather than royal figure heads to messiahs?
 
2012-12-20 07:44:12 PM  

diaphoresis: How much does it cost to support leaders of countries:
Queen Elizabeth: £7.9 million a year
Obama: Over $1 billion


When QEII took the throne in 1952, Britain's national debt stood at around 26 Billion Pounds. Today, UK national debt stands at 1.1 TRILLION pounds. That's a 43-fold increase in 60 years, compared to Obama's 2x increase in 4 years of the United States' National Debt. Looks like Obama's doing better than Her Majesty.

See, I can use disingenuous apples-to-oranges comparisons, too.
 
2012-12-20 07:51:19 PM  
A small price to pay to keep that neocon/teabag puppet far from power.
 
2012-12-20 08:15:06 PM  
This cost should be picked up by the candidate if he or she loses. If he thought it might come out of his pocket (or save part of the campaign money back for it) then he or she might not spend so much on things that aren't needed.
 
2012-12-20 08:49:46 PM  
Maybe someone can remind me how much Romney said he was against government handouts.
 
2012-12-20 09:02:50 PM  

maimzini: Maybe someone can remind me how much Romney said he was against government handouts.


assets.rollingstone.com
"Do you know how many jobs were created by private industry with that money?"
 
2012-12-20 09:10:55 PM  
I'm inclined to say that it's a great idea, but I have to wonder - if similar preparations had been made in 2000, would GWB still have wiped his ass with the national security plan that was in place prioritizing attention to al-quada, or would he and Cheney had some measure of humility during the period that they were only candidates, and actually farking listened to someone who knew a thing or two?
 
2012-12-20 09:39:29 PM  
I've got an idea, why don't they just charge the news organizations to cover the costs?
 
2012-12-20 10:06:36 PM  
Two and a half months is not enough time. Therefore, although it hurts a bit, from a contingency standpoint, it's money adequately spent. The laptops SHOULD be reutilized (we'll see) and I have to agree that office planning is a bit much. Most of the campaign staff work that I saw being done while I was working with the Obama crew in Virginia was pretty seat-of-the-pants stuff, and it generally worked. It can be done pretty easily - and I think it's overpriced at that. But not terribly so, and as contingency plans go, it's FAR better to have it than not.

But I'd love to see some of the pre-Inauguration celebrations for the volunteers being held in those offices - since they should be leased through January.....
 
2012-12-20 10:18:54 PM  
$4 shrimp
 
2012-12-20 10:56:08 PM  

Bill the unknowing: But I'd love to see some of the pre-Inauguration celebrations for the volunteers being held in those offices - since they should be leased through January.....


You gave me this mental picture of Romney's campaign staff being held in these abandoned offices, awaiting the celebrations...

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2012-12-20 11:09:42 PM  

ox45tallboy: Bill the unknowing: But I'd love to see some of the pre-Inauguration celebrations for the volunteers being held in those offices - since they should be leased through January.....

You gave me this mental picture of Romney's campaign staff being held in these abandoned offices, awaiting the celebrations...

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"mmhhhhm mrrrmmm mrrrmhhm!"


HAHAHA.

Grammar, it's important.
 
2012-12-21 01:40:05 AM  
"The design, construction and space planning for the Romney team's office space, which took up multiple floors in the Mary E. Switzer building a couple miles from the White House, cost about $2.5 million. The furniture bill came in around $740,000, and basics like office supplies cost about $30,000. The biggest chunk by far came from communications and related hardware. Items such as IT services, computer equipment and cell phones cost $5.6 million. The GSA noted that some of the resources would be recycled; Dell Latitude Laptops bought for Romney's 500-strong transition team, for example, will be used by other parts of the federal government."

LOLWHUT? 500-member transition team, or 500-member corporate favor brokerage?
 
2012-12-21 02:49:23 AM  
$5.6 million divided by 500 people is $11,200 per person. In IT.

What did they do, buy them all phones, iPads, laptops, and a Dell Poweredge server apiece? With enough left over to pay a tech to stand next to each person for the entire two months to show them how to use e-mail?
 
2012-12-21 09:39:34 AM  
So this makes Romney, who has zero power of federal authority, was the first to take advantage of a law passed in 2010, making him the only person on earth that the law would even apply to, an asshole maybe?

Passed by a Democrat Senate, Republican House and signed into law by a Democrat President? Subby upset because Romney is a Republican?

Cue the outrage.
 
2012-12-21 11:46:36 AM  
We just keep getting screwed over and over.
 
2012-12-21 11:36:35 PM  
D) Trillions of dollars of Obomba's deficits.
 
2012-12-22 04:05:38 AM  
Ain't this the diamond Jim Brady who shut off his staff's credit cards as soon as I walked off the concession speech stage?
 
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