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(Reason Magazine)   Hey listen, there's no reason to be scared that the NSA is monitoring you, your cell phone does that for them and your provider has to report where you are and what you do with it to the feds   (reason.com) divider line 67
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2012-12-20 03:06:44 PM
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2012-12-20 04:00:17 PM
 
2012-12-20 04:24:46 PM
so the movie The Presidents Analyst was right we do need to fear the phone company.
 
2012-12-20 09:01:32 PM
But according to the left, these people can be trusted to do no wrong. Why else would they ask us to voluntarily turn in our firearms?
 
2012-12-20 09:36:03 PM

duffblue: But according to the left, these people can be trusted to do no wrong. Why else would they ask us to voluntarily turn in our firearms?


Yeah, it was the left, all by its lonesome, who passed the Patriot Act.  Thank God for those conservative patriots at the ACLU for cluing us in on this.

Seriously, what color is the sky in your world?
 
2012-12-20 09:55:17 PM

duffblue: But according to the left, these people can be trusted to do no wrong. Why else would they ask us to voluntarily turn in our firearms?


Yes, yes the Patriot Act was all about freedom. What the rubes don't realize is that.... you know what, fark it. I'm not gonna even bother. Don't worry, your guns will protect you from the evil government

*rolls eyes, makes jerking off motion*
 
2012-12-20 10:00:18 PM
They aren't going to like all the hardcore porn I look up.

I mean it's all legal but they might need a nearby toilet for their lunch.
 
2012-12-20 10:07:32 PM
Thanks 0bama.

This wasn't the change we believed in.
 
2012-12-20 10:07:38 PM

fusillade762: duffblue: But according to the left, these people can be trusted to do no wrong. Why else would they ask us to voluntarily turn in our firearms?

Yeah, it was the left, all by its lonesome, who passed the Patriot Act.  Thank God for those conservative patriots at the ACLU for cluing us in on this.

Seriously, what color is the sky in your world?


NDAA
Obama signed it
 
2012-12-20 10:08:24 PM

maxalt: so the movie The Presidents Analyst was right we do need to fear the phone company.


FTFA:   Law enforcement is more and more deploying International Mobile Subscriber Identity locators that masquerade as cell towers and enable government agents to suck down data from thousands of subscribers
 
2012-12-20 10:09:14 PM
Hey NSA, I don't mind if you read what I write, but how about a job? I know I can't beat you. I have some pretty good ideas about how terrorists could bring this country to its knees.
 
2012-12-20 10:12:12 PM

fusillade762: duffblue: But according to the left, these people can be trusted to do no wrong. Why else would they ask us to voluntarily turn in our firearms?

Yeah, it was the left, all by its lonesome, who passed the Patriot Act.  Thank God for those conservative patriots at the ACLU for cluing us in on this.

Seriously, what color is the sky in your world?


You're changing the subject to minimize the disingenuousness of complaints about federal surveillance laws. The left had it's chance after concern trolling for 8 years of Bush 43 about civil freedoms. They dropped the ball, reauthorized about all of Bush's domestic stuff and haven't made a peep about it.

What the left is defending today is what they said was indefensible a few years back.
 
2012-12-20 10:12:14 PM
If a person possesses neither cell phone nor credit card in this day and age, how "invisible" is he?
 
2012-12-20 10:14:09 PM

Huck And Molly Ziegler: If a person possesses neither cell phone nor credit card in this day and age, how "invisible" is he?


Not very. Behavior like that is suspicious and thus warrants inspection. Just like depositing amounts below the reporting threshold can still get you looked at because you're trying to "evade the law".
 
2012-12-20 10:14:23 PM

fusillade762: duffblue: But according to the left, these people can be trusted to do no wrong. Why else would they ask us to voluntarily turn in our firearms?

Yeah, it was the left, all by its lonesome, who passed the Patriot Act.  Thank God for those conservative patriots at the ACLU for cluing us in on this.

Seriously, what color is the sky in your world?


Which is why I wanted Senator Feingold, the ONLY ONE who voted against the Patriot act, to run for President.
 
2012-12-20 10:14:26 PM

maxalt: so the movie The Presidents Analyst was right we do need to fear the phone company.


Yes. And Johnny Fever was right to be afraid of the phone cops.

/They know what we did here!
 
2012-12-20 10:15:49 PM
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2012-12-20 10:17:15 PM

Mrbogey: fusillade762: duffblue: But according to the left, these people can be trusted to do no wrong. Why else would they ask us to voluntarily turn in our firearms?

Yeah, it was the left, all by its lonesome, who passed the Patriot Act.  Thank God for those conservative patriots at the ACLU for cluing us in on this.

Seriously, what color is the sky in your world?

You're changing the subject to minimize the disingenuousness of complaints about federal surveillance laws. The left had it's chance after concern trolling for 8 years of Bush 43 about civil freedoms. They dropped the ball, reauthorized about all of Bush's domestic stuff and haven't made a peep about it.

What the left is defending today is what they said was indefensible a few years back.


It has nothing to do with the issues.

The left just didn't like Bush because he is white.

Besides this, the last is the Bush tax cuts are evil, oh wait, once 0bama renewed them it is all "oh, please don't take them away from everyone, it would hurt them and the economy."
 
2012-12-20 10:23:52 PM

grinding_journalist: Hey NSA, I don't mind if you read what I write, but how about a job? I know I can't beat you. I have some pretty good ideas about how terrorists could bring this country to its knees.


NSA doesn't care about that. That's for other agencies.
 
2012-12-20 10:25:49 PM
What the data will look like to law enforcement:
ulyssesonline.com

What the tin foil hat people will think it looks like:
doug-johnson.squarespace.com

What the analysts will claim they've seen:
www.csb.gov

If you heard from the paranoia people in the 70's that government was planning to put tracking devices on everyone and one upped them by saying people would pay for the privilege one day you'd be considered strange.
 
2012-12-20 10:27:38 PM
I hope the NSA finds my frequent trips to strip clubs and porn surfing worth the time and effort it took to track.
 
2012-12-20 10:28:42 PM
Something else you don't know about those "smart phones:

1. The contract is $1700 minimum;

2. They want an automatic suction pump on your credit card, you pay whether you get service or not;

3. They have the "right" to add charges whenever they want;

4. You can't escape for less than $350 if you want out.

BOTTOM LINE: The phones may be smart, but the buyers sure as hell aren't!

I bought mine for $9.88 cash at Wal-Mart, card was $22 for 90 days. THAT is a smart phone.
 
2012-12-20 10:29:47 PM

fusillade762: duffblue: But according to the left, these people can be trusted to do no wrong. Why else would they ask us to voluntarily turn in our firearms?

Yeah, it was the left, all by its lonesome, who passed the Patriot Act.  Thank God for those conservative patriots at the ACLU for cluing us in on this.

Seriously, what color is the sky in your world?


Yah, thank goodness Obama put an end to that thing.

08.wir.skyrock.net

img117.imageshack.us

/I knew I had you favored as a tard for a reason.
 
2012-12-20 10:31:32 PM

Huck And Molly Ziegler: If a person possesses neither cell phone nor credit card in this day and age, how "invisible" is he?


That makes you suspicious. You must be up to no good. You will have to be watched the old fasioned way.
 
2012-12-20 10:33:41 PM

Huck And Molly Ziegler: If a person possesses neither cell phone nor credit card in this day and age, how "invisible" is he?


VERY invisible. I lived like that for 25+ years, then went "off the grid" and wireless, had no trouble getting $40,000 worth of credit cards just by asking for them, and I am totally wireless now. Phone is in cash, I do all my money business on the Innertubes, and I might be in New York or Timbuktu for all anyone knows.

You can always be invisible, but as society advances, it takes more skill.
 
2012-12-20 10:37:43 PM
Meh. Too much data for them to sift through for me to give much of a crap.
 
2012-12-20 10:37:58 PM
"Reason.com"

Yup, just more of your run-of-the mill tinfoil nonsense. Seriously, you're not special, and the government doesn't give a single shiat about what kind of porn you watch when you're one out of hundreds of millions.

I know that people say it sarcastically, but it's true: if you have nothing (illegal) to hide, you have nothing to fear.
 
2012-12-20 10:41:42 PM

super_grass: "Reason.com"


Fark is down to about 1 in 30 links I'm willing to click on these days. I picture drew as this weirdo drinking malt liquor on his porch with a long double barrel.
 
2012-12-20 10:44:54 PM
I must be even more suspicious..I don't have a cell phone..Much less a smarty pants phone..
 
2012-12-20 10:45:17 PM
I don't own a cell phone but I do have a landline. Sucks to be you NSA cause when the modem goes off so does the phone.
/Mind you if Time Warner isn't watching anyways.
 
2012-12-20 10:46:23 PM
Good luck finding me through my cell phone. Pay as you go, no name attached. I'm waiting for the gov to change the rules on this though.
 
2012-12-20 10:47:29 PM
funny mine is anonymous
good luck with anything legal
 
2012-12-20 10:48:38 PM

maxalt: so the movie The Presidents Analyst was right we do need to fear the phone company.


Yep.
 
2012-12-20 10:51:43 PM

super_grass: "Reason.com"

Yup, just more of your run-of-the mill tinfoil nonsense. Seriously, you're not special, and the government doesn't give a single shiat about what kind of porn you watch when you're one out of hundreds of millions.

I know that people say it sarcastically, but it's true: if you have nothing (illegal) to hide, you have nothing to fear.


And here is the source of the problem. People who believe that the government never accuses anyone of a crime for any but the purest motives.

Never fails to amaze me.
 
2012-12-20 10:54:46 PM
Can it be turned off?

I have that app that lets me spy on all my friends. It came installed on the phone, which was kind of creepy. I could track them if I wanted to. I don't use it because I have better things to do than wonder who's in the grocery store right now. Can't be de-installed. I've tried. Its the AT&T family map and social net.

And I don't actually care if anyone knows where I am. I never go anywhere exciting. I'd actually feel sorry for anyone assigned to spy on me. They'd be so bored.

If I was up to no good, I'm smart enough not to take the phone. I don't have OnStar in the car. So I can lose people.

I could always get a burner phone if I wanted a life of crime, but seriously, can it be turned off?
 
2012-12-20 10:57:20 PM

Kibbler: super_grass: "Reason.com"

Yup, just more of your run-of-the mill tinfoil nonsense. Seriously, you're not special, and the government doesn't give a single shiat about what kind of porn you watch when you're one out of hundreds of millions.

I know that people say it sarcastically, but it's true: if you have nothing (illegal) to hide, you have nothing to fear.

And here is the source of the problem. People who believe that the government never accuses anyone of a crime for any but the purest motives.

Never fails to amaze me.


And of course, innocent people never get racked up.

Just ask the Duke Lacrosse Team.

Ort those people they murdered at Waco.
 
2012-12-20 11:01:20 PM

olddinosaur: Huck And Molly Ziegler: If a person possesses neither cell phone nor credit card in this day and age, how "invisible" is he?

VERY invisible. I lived like that for 25+ years, then went "off the grid" and wireless, had no trouble getting $40,000 worth of credit cards just by asking for them, and I am totally wireless now. Phone is in cash, I do all my money business on the Innertubes, and I might be in New York or Timbuktu for all anyone knows.

You can always be invisible, but as society advances, it takes more skill.


When I joined the AF is 2007 I was 20. I didn't have a cell phone and didn't care to have a job prior to then. Problems arose in tech school when I had to get my security clearance. I was for the most part a ghost in school and after I graduated I cut off all communication from my friends, friends didn't know if I had died or what until I came home in 2010. Didn't get on social networks or anything. I was also a ghost in the classroom and talked very little. The only recent thing they had on me was that I graduated in 2004 and I was now enlisted in the AF. A 3 year gap where I did not exist and they had to take my parents' word for it that I actually lived at home during this gap in time. There are plenty of manual labor//odd jobs that you can get where you get paid under the table so it should still be easy to stay off the grid. If you want internet it is easy to hop on a open network or crack a wep network.

/Currently live 40 miles away from any record of my residence
//No bills in my name
///And my phone # is only in the hands of a handful of people
 
2012-12-20 11:05:38 PM

fusillade762: duffblue: But according to the left, these people can be trusted to do no wrong. Why else would they ask us to voluntarily turn in our firearms?

Yeah, it was the left, all by its lonesome, who passed the Patriot Act.  Thank God for those conservative patriots at the ACLU for cluing us in on this.

Seriously, what color is the sky in your world?


I was one of those retards who voted for Obama thinking "Hope and Change" would mean the repealing of the PATRIOT Act. Instead he signed a four year extension.


To answer your question: Orange, like my Guantanamo jumpsuit.
 
2012-12-20 11:14:08 PM
well aint somebody going to post this is like a long running Elephants turd?
 
2012-12-20 11:17:09 PM
This will all be fine and dandy until another Chanda Levy scandal hits and Congressmen find out the FBI is tracking them too.

I am surprised the Petreaus scandal has not put a stop to FBI email snooping.
 
2012-12-20 11:23:31 PM
Some day people on the left and right will realize that the Republican and Democrat party have been working together for decades. All the screaming about how much they are opposite in every way goes a long way toward making people ignore the ways they are the same.

You should be afraid of the things the Republicans and Democrats agree on. They both want power, influence, and money. They both are willing to do ANYTHING to get it.

All the partisan shouting at each end of the spectrum is only designed to keep people distracted by the issues which there will never be compromise (gay rights/marriage, abortion, immigration, etc). It works very well. The average person has no idea how much they are being screwed over at ever level of government.
 
2012-12-20 11:31:23 PM

Tenatra: Good luck finding me through my cell phone. Pay as you go, no name attached. I'm waiting for the gov to change the rules on this though.


If they really cared they could look at where the phone was every night and find out your address. Where it was most days from nine to five will be where you work, the numbers called from and to that phone will be your family and friends and so on. That's without downloading software that turns your phone into a bug that transmits everything it hears 24/7 to them....
 
2012-12-20 11:53:10 PM

Flint Ironstag: Tenatra: Good luck finding me through my cell phone. Pay as you go, no name attached. I'm waiting for the gov to change the rules on this though.

If they really cared they could look at where the phone was every night and find out your address. Where it was most days from nine to five will be where you work, the numbers called from and to that phone will be your family and friends and so on. That's without downloading software that turns your phone into a bug that transmits everything it hears 24/7 to them....


Eh. you can pull the battery and screw that up.
 
2012-12-20 11:57:27 PM
my demylinating nerves got my body in pain and spinal denigration i think my lungs have stopped working....and..

This is like a long running Elephants turd.
 
2012-12-21 12:05:47 AM
i739.photobucket.com

Is well aware.
 
2012-12-21 12:06:44 AM

Flint Ironstag: Tenatra: Good luck finding me through my cell phone. Pay as you go, no name attached. I'm waiting for the gov to change the rules on this though.

If they really cared they could look at where the phone was every night and find out your address. Where it was most days from nine to five will be where you work, the numbers called from and to that phone will be your family and friends and so on. That's without downloading software that turns your phone into a bug that transmits everything it hears 24/7 to them....


I rarely use my phone as it is, to the point that if I want to make a call it is already dead. I have 3 numbers in my phone. Mom, Dad, and Fiancee. Bills here are under the fiancee's name without my name attached. If someone wanted to find me they would probably start at my parents house since that is where I "reside". They would know what town I actually live in because of my debit card. I don't work, I go to school online and get paid to go. It's not that I'm trying to hide thinking they want something from me, I just avoid people. They will be able to have me on the radar again Fall 2013 when I finish my degree at a university and afterwards when I apply with the FBI. I'll probably face some of the same problems with getting my security clearance again but I've already working in the comm-intel field.
 
2012-12-21 12:08:07 AM
worked
 
2012-12-21 12:12:04 AM
Yeah ... so?
 
2012-12-21 12:14:26 AM
If private business did this, reason.com would celebrate them as visionary.
 
2012-12-21 12:51:32 AM

Tracking the Zipper, now retired:


Wake up, to bathroom
Feed dog
Put dog out
To kitchen, kick coffee thingy
Office, check Fark
Back to kitchen, cuss coffee thingy
Bring dog in
Get coffee
Office, turn on TV
Open back door - it's raining (Oregon sunshine)
Kick dog out again, for shower
...
 
2012-12-21 01:11:41 AM
Yawn.

If I ever decide to commit felonious actions and don't want the authorities knowing where I am, I'll just duct-tape my phone to a chicken and set it loose a few miles from my house. That ought to keep them busy (especially considering they'd probably find it inside a coyote's stomach).
 
2012-12-21 01:59:26 AM
Just toss your phone in someone else's bag. Instant alibi.
 
2012-12-21 06:22:06 AM

desertfool: fusillade762: duffblue: But according to the left, these people can be trusted to do no wrong. Why else would they ask us to voluntarily turn in our firearms?

Yeah, it was the left, all by its lonesome, who passed the Patriot Act.  Thank God for those conservative patriots at the ACLU for cluing us in on this.

Seriously, what color is the sky in your world?

Which is why I wanted Senator Feingold, the ONLY ONE who voted against the Patriot act, to run for President.


/so true
//getting a snack
 
2012-12-21 07:59:30 AM
Really sucks George Bush is taking away our rights....

Wait, he is not President?
 
2012-12-21 08:37:40 AM

duffblue: fusillade762: duffblue: But according to the left, these people can be trusted to do no wrong. Why else would they ask us to voluntarily turn in our firearms?

Yeah, it was the left, all by its lonesome, who passed the Patriot Act.  Thank God for those conservative patriots at the ACLU for cluing us in on this.

Seriously, what color is the sky in your world?

I was one of those retards who voted for Obama thinking "Hope and Change" would mean the repealing of the PATRIOT Act. Instead he signed a four year extension.


To answer your question: Orange, like my Guantanamo jumpsuit.


You never go full retard.

/can't post pic from phone
 
2012-12-21 09:09:07 AM

badhatharry: Huck And Molly Ziegler: If a person possesses neither cell phone nor credit card in this day and age, how "invisible" is he?

That makes you suspicious. You must be up to no good. You will have to be watched the old fasioned way.


Ah, but that's much harder to do, and subject to being discovered.
 
2012-12-21 09:28:45 AM
Moral of the story - if you are planning a crime, leave your phone with an accomplice that is at a benign location and will randy send out innocuous texts.
 
2012-12-21 09:31:47 AM

irreverend mother: And I don't actually care if anyone knows where I am. I never go anywhere exciting. I'd actually feel sorry for anyone assigned to spy on me. They'd be so bored.


So what would happen, if some heinous crime happened roughly the same time you were in the vicinity. Police get the phone records of everyone who was in the area, and you're one of them. You don't have a good alibi. Perhaps they find some trace evidence that could be interpreted as linking you to the crime. What then?

What if the only real evidence they have is those phone records, and yours is the best fit? Perhaps the actual perpetrator doesn't have one, or left it at home by way of an alibi. What if you end up becoming the next Richard Jewell, because your phone data falsely betrayed you?
 
2012-12-21 09:34:15 AM

Pumpernickel bread: Moral of the story - if you are planning a crime, leave your phone with an accomplice that is at a benign location and will randy send out innocuous texts.


Don't even bother with that: Get an app that will send out pre-programmed, scheduled texts, and leave it at home. Instant alibi: You were at home when the crime happened.
 
2012-12-21 10:19:36 AM
duffblue: "But according to the left, these people can be trusted to do no wrong."

Which side of the political spectrum is it that always supports the ACLU and the constant suing of Government when it goes (or threatens to go) off the rails?
Oh... that's right... it's the political Left. The Right is always too busy whining about 'weak on crime' or 'with us or against us' or some other shiat, to ever support civil liberties.

/ the only Legal Right the political right is consistently behind, is the right to profit.
// the rest is political-realism-bullshiat to rationalize the maximization of private profit as morally correct.
 
2012-12-21 10:42:54 AM
Well Citizen, if you're not doing anything wrong, then this shouldn't bother you....

You voted for it...here's your Hope and Change. Suck it Obamites.
 
2012-12-21 11:24:22 AM
www.global-air.com

If you don't believe this, just right-mouse click any Flash ad on any website and select Settings. Are you sure ''they'' can't turn on your camera and microphone themselves? (new window)
 
2012-12-21 11:58:02 AM
Google Cell Phone Tracker Follows Peoples' Real-Time Locations More
 
2012-12-21 12:01:22 PM

planes: Google Cell Phone Tracker Follows Peoples' Real-Time Locations More


Lattitude is opt-in, and nobody uses it. Tried to use it while my little brother was in town, because he alternates between 2-3 places when he's here, and it's awful. There are better ways to track people.
 
2012-12-21 12:41:01 PM

planes: [Link][www.global-air.com image 150x205]

If you don't believe this, just right-mouse click any Flash ad on any website and select Settings. Are you sure ''they'' can't turn on your camera and microphone themselves? (new window)


I have always been creeped out by the damn webcam in my laptop or even webcams in general. Mostly on the off chance that someone will find an exploit to activate them. I put a small piece of duct tape over the cam so I don't unknowingly star in my own twisted reality show.
 
2012-12-21 01:08:15 PM
So, throw your phone in a dump truck headed to Poughkeepsie when you go out doing Superman stuff
 
2012-12-21 05:56:08 PM

computerguyUT: Well Citizen, if you're not doing anything wrong, then this shouldn't bother you....

You voted for it...here's your Hope and Change. Suck it Obamites.


The proof of society's ignorance lies in who they vote for.
 
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