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(Political Wire)   Academic study essentially finds there's no hope for democracy   (politicalwire.com) divider line 68
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2012-12-20 02:05:50 PM  
Book, cover, etc?
 
2012-12-20 02:07:14 PM  
I guess thats what happens when your educational system is a century too old
 
2012-12-20 02:07:23 PM  
It has so little hope, it's been around for thousands of years
 
2012-12-20 02:10:05 PM  
Democracy makes sense in small, homogenous, and highly-educated societies.

Applying it to a huge, heterogenous, and barely moderately-educated society is asking for trouble.
 
2012-12-20 02:10:10 PM  
Obvious tag taking kickbacks to remain silent on the issue?
 
2012-12-20 02:12:45 PM  
The best part about democracy is that everybody gets a voice. The worst part about democracy is that everybody gets a voice.
 
2012-12-20 02:14:58 PM  
Good thing the US is a representative democracy rather than a true democracy then.

Pedantry aside, yes, things are very messed up around here, and it's going to take something ugly to truly change it, but it's better than some of the alternatives.
 
2012-12-20 02:17:03 PM  
If you ask a Democrat what the worst part of Democracy is, it's that the populace can be bribed into voting one way or the other with promises of tax cuts paid from the public chest.

If you ask a Republican what the worst part of Democracy is, it's that the populace can be bribed into voting one way or the other with promises of social programmes paid from the public chest.

And that doesn't even get into the bigger issues of minority rights...I'll just leave this here:

i50.tinypic.com
 
2012-12-20 02:18:47 PM  
FTFA: The researchers found that voters "are susceptible to these biases even when given financial incentives to behave otherwise and when the information necessary to avoid these biases was readily available."

So, the researchers discovered that most voters can't simply be bought.

That's not necessarily a bad thing. The fact that the average voter can't form an informed opinion, on the other hand....

/doesn't help that there's talk, double talk, obfuscation, slight-of-hand, etc, etc, etc
 
2012-12-20 02:18:48 PM  
What's the next best alternative? Benevolent dictator?
 
2012-12-20 02:19:56 PM  

bluenovaman: What's the next best alternative? Benevolent dictator?


The Second Coming of Christ.

/my pastor told me so
 
2012-12-20 02:20:16 PM  
Unfortunately, it's unconstitutional to require voters take a simple test before they vote. That test would be to identify at least 8 different issues that are important in their choice. It'd weed out, "OMG, he's blah." or "Jesus" or "they took mah jerb!" (which may, in some cases, be the same issue as "OMG, he's blah")
 
2012-12-20 02:23:12 PM  

Uzzah: Democracy makes sense in small, homogenous, and highly-educated societies.

Applying it to a huge, heterogenous, and barely moderately-educated society is asking for trouble.


Then it's a good thing we're a republic and not a democracy.
 
2012-12-20 02:23:23 PM  
This report brought to you by Duverger.
 
2012-12-20 02:24:56 PM  
Scientists befuddled after proving that bumble bees cannot fly.
 
2012-12-20 02:27:19 PM  

Lost Thought 00: It has so little hope, it's been around for thousands of years


With spurts of authoritarian rule in between.

It's like we need to be reminded every once in a while just why we choose democracy.
 
2012-12-20 02:33:00 PM  

xanadian: FTFA: The researchers found that voters "are susceptible to these biases even when given financial incentives to behave otherwise and when the information necessary to avoid these biases was readily available."

So, the researchers discovered that most voters can't simply be bought.

That's not necessarily a bad thing. The fact that the average voter can't form an informed opinion, on the other hand....

/doesn't help that there's talk, double talk, obfuscation, slight-of-hand, etc, etc, etc


Or elephant talk even.
 
2012-12-20 02:34:12 PM  
I agree completely. We need to radically change the way we elect representatives. This is not sarcasm.
 
2012-12-20 02:35:13 PM  
www.scifinow.co.uk


Approves with the assessment
 
2012-12-20 02:39:15 PM  

Evil High Priest: Or elephant talk even.



Balderdash.

/ballyhoo
 
2012-12-20 02:39:46 PM  
 
2012-12-20 02:40:43 PM  

meat0918: Lost Thought 00: It has so little hope, it's been around for thousands of years

With spurts of authoritarian rule in between.

It's like we need to be reminded every once in a while just why we choose democracy.


Throughout human history, or at least since the notion of the state was invented, authoritarian rule has been the norm. It's not exactly spurts.
 
2012-12-20 02:41:18 PM  

Evil High Priest: Or elephant talk even.


Come back little Shiva?

xanadian: The Second Coming of Christ.


Do you think Parvati bottle-fed or nursed Ganesh?
www.enlightened-spirituality.org

Come Back Little Shiva?
 
2012-12-20 02:44:07 PM  

bluenovaman: What's the next best alternative? Benevolent dictator?


According to Heinlien, Democracy comes in second behind Benevolent Dictators. Of course, Benevolent Dics are hard to find...
 
2012-12-20 02:45:20 PM  
Democracy != liberty. Gotta have a well thought out Constitution.
 
2012-12-20 02:46:08 PM  

Chewbacca_Defense: bluenovaman: What's the next best alternative? Benevolent dictator?

According to Heinlien, Democracy comes in second behind Benevolent Dictators. Of course, Benevolent Dics are hard to find..


Not to mention the rather massive draw back of the eventual successor potentially being a lunatic.
.
 
2012-12-20 02:47:54 PM  
Amused by this finding

www.nobelprize.org
 
2012-12-20 02:48:50 PM  

Chewbacca_Defense: bluenovaman: What's the next best alternative? Benevolent dictator?

According to Heinlien, Democracy comes in second behind Benevolent Dictators. Of course, Benevolent Dics are hard to find...


Yup. An omniscient, benevolent dictator would be the ideal government. Except for it being an unobtainable fantasy, that's kind of a problem.
 
2012-12-20 02:49:00 PM  
Chewbacca_Defense
According to Heinlien, Democracy comes in second behind Benevolent Dictators CEOs . Of course, Benevolent Dics CEOs are hard to find...

FTFY.
 
2012-12-20 02:52:51 PM  
At the risk of losing my voice, let me just say one more thing: I'm ...... I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Democracy simply doesn't work.
 
2012-12-20 02:55:58 PM  
hmmm, i wonder how this applies to current events......
 
2012-12-20 03:03:36 PM  

xanadian: FTFA: The researchers found that voters "are susceptible to these biases even when given financial incentives to behave otherwise and when the information necessary to avoid these biases was readily available."

So, the researchers discovered that most voters can't simply be bought.

That's not necessarily a bad thing. The fact that the average voter can't form an informed opinion, on the other hand....

/doesn't help that there's talk, double talk, obfuscation, slight-of-hand, etc, etc, etc


Sleight of hand.

/agree with post
//feeling peevish, in a pet sorta way
 
2012-12-20 03:05:56 PM  
Maybe if we did something about putting the dreaded poison pill 'rider' into completely unrelated legislation, it might be a little easier to assess our politicians. Our legislative process is so convoluted it makes me sick to my stomach.
 
2012-12-20 03:06:43 PM  
It would be one thing if the politicians attempted to accurately represent themselves to voters. All this study really says is, "Successful trolls are successful."
 
2012-12-20 03:08:58 PM  

red5ish: Scientists befuddled after proving that bumble bees cannot fly.


 
I hate that stupid myth so much, and I refuse to get any more Science news from Joan Rivers.
 
2012-12-20 03:09:01 PM  

Empty Matchbook: Sleight


ahhhh ya got meh.
 
2012-12-20 03:10:30 PM  
We're gonna be the Republic of Gilead in about 20 or 30 years anyway.....
 
2012-12-20 03:14:00 PM  

mongbiohazard: Chewbacca_Defense: bluenovaman: What's the next best alternative? Benevolent dictator?

According to Heinlien, Democracy comes in second behind Benevolent Dictators. Of course, Benevolent Dics are hard to find...

Yup. An omniscient, benevolent dictator would be the ideal government. Except for it being an unobtainable fantasy, that's kind of a problem.


So, basically Government by Algorithm
 
2012-12-20 03:16:11 PM  
Good thing the US isnt a democracy then.
 
2012-12-20 03:16:40 PM  

Lost Thought 00: It has so little hope, it's been around for thousands of years


It's been tried many times, and each and every time democracy has failed. Of course so has every other type of government. But if every form of government has an expiration date, how close to our date are we?

Put me in the column that thinks were pretty darn close. We have an uneducated electorate, who is unwilling to make difficult choices. But instead is becoming more and more polarized. It's a recipe for disaster if I've ever heard one.
 
2012-12-20 03:24:05 PM  

MrBigglesworth: Good thing the US isnt a democracy then.


Right. It's a republic, just like Iran and North Korea.
 
2012-12-20 03:24:45 PM  
Machiavelli argued, in the discourses, that democracy is part of a rotating cycle that goes from democracy to aristocracy to dictatorship to democracy again. His solution was a republic, in the Roman sense where branches of gov't were autonomous and balanced against each other.
 
2012-12-20 03:24:52 PM  

MrBigglesworth: Good thing the US isnt a democracy then.


So...derp?
 
2012-12-20 03:26:34 PM  
We get it, he's black.
 
2012-12-20 03:29:58 PM  
Acedemics are mostly libs, and libs do not want democracy. Libs think they have the high moral ground (they do not) and that this makes them right (which doesn't even make sense) and that therefore they should be the de facto deciders for the rest of society. Libs are evil and should be genocided.
 
2012-12-20 03:31:20 PM  

xanadian: Empty Matchbook: Sleight

ahhhh ya got meh.


The post was good enough, I almost didn't, but then it just became the fly on top of the creme brulee.
 
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2012-12-20 03:32:02 PM  

Contents Under Pressure: Unfortunately, it's unconstitutional to require voters take a simple test before they vote. That test would be to identify at least 8 different issues that are important in their choice. It'd weed out, "OMG, he's blah." or "Jesus" or "they took mah jerb!" (which may, in some cases, be the same issue as "OMG, he's blah")


Who is to decide what issues are invalid?? For instance, what about your "jerb" remark. I think that's an important issue when corporations are paying off politicians to add H1-B jobs... the corporations are dictating the rule, not the common good of the people.

What people care about even if it is idiotic is fair game in an election. That's a major problem of having elections.
 
2012-12-20 03:44:38 PM  

Lost Thought 00: It has so little hope, it's been around for thousands of years


And Plato's analysis of what will destroy democracy has been around for just as long. Only, we seem to be stuck in a Oligarchy-Democracy loop, regressing back to Oligarchy rather than completing the fall into Tyranny. Even the inventors of Democracy agreed that it is an ultimately doomed system.
 
2012-12-20 03:46:00 PM  

THE GREAT NAME: Acedemics are mostly libs, and libs do not want democracy. Libs think they have the high moral ground (they do not) and that this makes them right (which doesn't even make sense) and that therefore they should be the de facto deciders for the rest of society. Libs are evil and should be genocided.


t1.ftcdn.net
 
2012-12-20 03:54:31 PM  

THE GREAT NAME: Acedemics are mostly libs, and libs do not want democracy. Libs think they have the high moral ground (they do not) and that this makes them right (which doesn't even make sense) and that therefore they should be the de facto deciders for the rest of society. Libs are evil and should be genocided.

 
You're so righted.  Your words are wisdomized.  I'd like to subscribe to your newletterator.
 
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