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(Hawaii Reporter)   A Hawaiian High School Orchestra raises $30,000 for doctors in Africa, but people from a church worked on the setup? Never fear, The First Amendment FUD Brigade is there to make sure this atrocity doesn't happen again   (hawaiireporter.com) divider line 247
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2012-12-20 04:27:03 PM
bunner: Watching people run around the town square shouting "YOU WONT SEE ME COLLECTING STAMPS!" is a pain in the ass.

orbister: False equivalence is a logical fallacy which describes a situation where there is a logical and apparent equivalence, but when in fact there is none.

Argument by charges of logical fallacy is the last refuge of the man who has lost the real argument.
 
2012-12-20 04:27:18 PM

orbister: bunner: Watching people run around the town square shouting "YOU WONT SEE ME COLLECTING STAMPS!" is a pain in the ass.

False equivalence is a logical fallacy which describes a situation where there is a logical and apparent equivalence, but when in fact there is none.


That whole circular "this serves me so it must be true" fandango probably works on people who stare at their sneakers when somebody tosses out two false equivalencies at once. : )
 
2012-12-20 04:27:41 PM
I wonder how many of these "atheists" like Kahle are really atheists and how many are evangelicals ratfarking the system.
 
2012-12-20 04:27:43 PM

xmasbaby: skullkrusher: orbister: Flakeloaf: In fact, they even said they "invited local churches" to minister to their patients.

So the price of being one of their patients is that local churches get to try to convert you when your helpless in a hospital bed. I wonder if they give equal access to local imams and animists?

I wonder if a person whose life is saved by an emergency appendectomy gives a fark?

I used to participate in some "medical missions" to 3rd world countries as a anesthesiologist, but became disillusioned at how the skill and technology I brought was used as tool to convert my patients to whatever the trip sponsors were selling.

In fact, I once ruined a sure thing with a super hot Delta stewardess who asked me if I was spreading the word of god on my medical mission. I told her "No. These people already have all the religion they could ever want. What they really need is some help."

These days, I only work and travel to the needy with with atheists and the dispirited religious. MSF is awesome and hardcore, but I can't commit that much time away, so I send them money instead.


MSF is great but I really don't see an issue with Mercy Ships and MSF obviously cannot treat everyone.
 
2012-12-20 04:27:56 PM

Vangor: ibsalamander: It's not like we atheists have a set of shared beliefs or anything, but guys like this just reinforce the "atheist = super-douche" stereotype. I don't believe in God, but I love the traditional Christmas (religious) music, and I certainly don't care about a few government dollars going into making the world just a little bit more beautiful once a year. Particularly in light of the crass, frenzied exploitation of children and the shameless, vulgar commercialism that has all but hijacked our holiday season in recent years.

The one aggravation I have had with associating myself with atheists is this willingness to disassociate themselves from other atheists because the press is bad. Sorry, but this man did nothing wrong. To completely ignore the obvious bias of this piece to make yourself appear to believers as "one of the good atheists" does far worse to the image of atheists in general than this piece could.

The irreligious are no less prone to being jerks, but we aren't jerks for noting religious entanglement no matter how supposedly traditional.


Most of my friends are atheists, but it would never have occurred to any of us to associate with each other on the basis of our non-beliefs.

And yes, you are jerks for shiatting on Christmas,

And I think there are some doctors in Africa who might argue that this man did do something wrong.
 
2012-12-20 04:28:11 PM

orbister: Not collecting stamps is a hobby.


Check his username

/it's his surname
 
2012-12-20 04:29:45 PM

ibsalamander:

And I think there are some doctors in Africa who might argue that this man did do something wrong.


They're still getting their money, and the concert is being held by the church, not the school. I fail to see what's wrong about that. Can you please point it out to me?
 
2012-12-20 04:30:08 PM

Dinobot: I'm an atheist and I think this is bs.

I feel really sorry for the kids and their altruistic plans, and I'd like to apologize on behalf of moderate atheists while don't believe are not out there actively trying to kill everyone else's fun.


This.
 
2012-12-20 04:30:26 PM

reaperducer: What the fark have atheists done for the helpless?

Jack squat, that's what.


I've done my share, I just don't belong to any particular organization.

Major dick move by the guy in the article. Never mind atheists - he give humans a bad name.
 
2012-12-20 04:31:43 PM

letrole: Argument by charges of logical fallacy is the last refuge of the man who has lost the real argument.


Really, why's that, then? I mean, isn't the point of alleged superior intellectual methodology to beat the dead horse with the most flair while ignoring the actual scenery surrounding the horse? Debate as a form of academic masturbation is just that, more often than not.
 
2012-12-20 04:32:34 PM

Thunderboy: reaperducer: What the fark have atheists done for the helpless?

Jack squat, that's what.

I've done my share, I just don't belong to any particular organization.

Major dick move by the guy in the article. Never mind atheists - he give humans a bad name.


I keep asking people this, but nobody responds. Can you please point out exactly why what he did was bad? A school event was raising money for a church (supposedly to benefit a Christian charity). This guy pointed out that public schools cannot raise money for Christian organizations, so now the church is holding the concert directly.

Please explain to me why this is wrong.
 
2012-12-20 04:33:59 PM
Insatiable Jesus: I wonder how many of these "atheists" like Kahle are really atheists and how many are evangelicals ratfarking the system.

I wonder how many scare-quoted "Atheists" don't in truth doubt the existence of God, but are actually driven by madness and rage and evil.

I've met such a fellow. It's one thing to be an unbeliever, quite another to confess belief, but still curse God and refuse acceptance.

Spooky.
 
2012-12-20 04:36:38 PM

Theaetetus: Theaetetus: ArkAngel: As said before, the church gets nothing out of this except some volunteer opportunities and maybe some good press that any group would get from this. It doesn't advance religion.

Don't know about that... there may be some more involvement, big signage, etc. If it was just that "some volunteers happen to be church employees," I doubt it would have ever been an issue in the first place, and I doubt the DOE would cancel it.

According to another article (mostly behind a paywall), the event was named similar to the New Hope church and was apparently pretty tied to them:  http://www.staradvertiser.com/s?action=login&f=y&id=182772291

That seems to be confirmed by the DOE's statement:
Donalyn Dela Cruz, director of Communications for the DOE, said the decision announced Monday to cancel the Friday concert was made by the DOE after consultation with the Attorney General's office.

"The Department applauds both the students who were hoping to provide this concert, as well as the charitable purpose behind it. However, after some consideration, the Department realized that the concert could have been better structured," Dela Cruz said.


Well, well, well--colour me completely unsurprised by this:

a) As noted above, Mercy Ships is pretty much a front group of culty NARasites Youth With A Mission (who are in turn pretty much a front group of the NARasitic wing of the Assemblies of God, which is pretty much the majority in that denomination now).

b) New Hope Oahu is--surprise surprise surprise--a happy-clappy den of NARasites with links to a parent NARasitic congregation in Hilo with no obvious denominational affiliation (though both seem to be linked to a lot of NARasite paradenominations)--it took a fair amount of digging (finding some "leadership training" thing on the New Hope Hilo page, which seems to do all it can to hide anything about any affiliations whatsoever) to find there is linkage with an accreditation mill with a statement of faith very, very similar to that of the Assemblies of God--it took even more digging to find we're dealing with essentially an ordination mill run by International Foursquare, which is itself not only an "Assemblies daughter" but very NARasitic itself. (It's probably most (in)famous as Aimee Semple McPherson's "radio church"--McPherson being one of the first well-known "name it and claim it" radio televangelists, and one of the first to get caught up in a televangelism scandal.) It's likely that the whole "New Hope" paradenomination are either Hawaiian International Foursquare churches (heavily stealthed ones) or a paradenominational daughter.

Back to New Hope Oahu, it seems they run a few ordination mills themselves, including a planned one in Burma (probably trying to take advantage of the new openness and move in before regulations for missionary activity can be set--NARasites did the same thing in the ex-USSR and in South Korea, it's something they've gotten stupidly good at). It too has some clear NARasite linkage, including to a training institute for NARasite leadership.

If this wasn't an attempt at "stealth evangelism" in a public school (something else for which NARasites are outright infamous for)...I'll eat my hat.
 
2012-12-20 04:36:54 PM

letrole: I've met such a fellow. It's one thing to be an unbeliever, quite another to confess belief, but still curse God and refuse acceptance.


I don't believe in a God, but there are many versions of God who, if he DID exist, would be beyond contempt and would deserve the curses.
 
2012-12-20 04:36:57 PM

Great Porn Dragon: Dinobot: I'm an atheist and I think this is bs.

I feel really sorry for the kids and their altruistic plans, and I'd like to apologize on behalf of moderate atheists while don't believe are not out there actively trying to kill everyone else's fun.

I'm an antidominionist, and normally I'd think this is overenthusiastic--but I also know that Mercy Ships is basically a front group of the (very very NARasitic and very very culty-McCulterson) Youth With A Mission--and anything that stops dominionist NARasite Culty McCultersons from getting cash to continue a "Convert to neopentecostalism or you DON'T get the lifesaving/vision-saving/productivity-saving medical treatment" is JUST fine with me.

Seriously, Mercy Ships is not innocuous. At All. They explicitly promote themselves as a "Christian alternative" to secular and non-proselytising Christian medical charities (stuff like Doctors Without Borders or Presbyterian and Friends-linked medical charities or even One Great Hour of Sharing)--and have operated on a convert-or-no-medical-treatment and are best seen as an overt "bait-and-switch evangelism" front of the worst sort.

More info:

A notation of their front-group activities
Documentation showing their longterm links with YWAM (although YWAM claims it's a "separate ministry" now, there are still extremely close links--moreso than with (say) Focus on the Family and Family Research Council; Mercy Ships was "split" largely after antidominionist researchers pointed out they were a front of the (deservedly infamous) YWAM)
None other than the form 990 of "YWAM Mercy Ships" from 2010--which is d/b/a "Mercy Ships International", a subsidiary of the main Mercy Ships operation per the main form 990 from the same year--and both showing very much that it's still a de facto YWAM frontgroup, and that both divisions still share the board of directors.

(BTW--that last one is why dominionists are fighting very, very hard to keep from closing the "church loophole" allowing domini ...


Oh wow.  Okay, heck, I'm with Mitch Kahle on this one, then.  Didn't think I would be.
 
2012-12-20 04:39:14 PM

Intrepid00: Theaetetus: And Mercy Ships apparently isn't all that secular.

" and serving all people without regard for race, gender, or religion."


For that matter....so do the sushi-restaurant suppliers run by Moonies or various Scientology fronts, but they're still recruitment fronts...and Mercy Ships is very much a front-group of one of the nastier NARasite coercive religious groups. (Hell, they're a front of one of the very few coercive religious groups actually linked with a murder-suicide.)
 
2012-12-20 04:40:50 PM

jack21221: I keep asking people this, but nobody responds. Can you please point out exactly why what he did was bad? A school event was raising money for a church (supposedly to benefit a Christian charity). This guy pointed out that public schools cannot raise money for Christian organizations, so now the church is holding the concert directly.

Please explain to me why this is wrong


Has reading become a lost art?  FTFA:
 
It's true that some of the New Hope parishioners volunteered to sell tickets or work on the set. But the concert is run by school staff and features its students, and tickets are sold both on campus and by phone. One hundred percent of the proceeds go to Mercy Ships.  
 
2012-12-20 04:40:57 PM

AJisaff: yup, the red cross does jack squat.


Yup, the Red Holy Symbol of Jeebus is an atheist organization.

/or is the Red Holy Symbol of Mohammed the atheist one?
//either way, 0/10
 
2012-12-20 04:43:20 PM

skullkrusher: "The problem -- which led Matayoshi to cancel last Friday's Christmas concert at Moanalua High School because it was too intertwined with a New Hope Oahu church fundraising effort -- stemmed from a change in the "Gift of Hope Charity Concert" since the event's origins several years ago. The Moanalua orchestra had worked with New Hope Oahu's singers in past events, which served as a benefit for Mercy Ships, a charity that provides the world's poor with medical care.
However, this year the beneficiary seemed to be the church's own mission. Mitch Kahle, founder of Hawaii Citizens for the Separation of State and Church, noted that no charity was listed. When he asked how to get tickets, he was instructed to get them from the church at a service, where he was told to write out the check to New Hope. "

I think that 'splains it better


Well, that was anti-climactic.

Next year they'll use a shell charity then hand the money off to New Hope.

//Public schools should not be raising money for local churches missions.
 
2012-12-20 04:43:41 PM
letrole: Argument by charges of logical fallacy is the last refuge of the man who has lost the real argument.

bunner: Really, why's that, then? I mean, isn't the point of alleged superior intellectual methodology to beat the dead horse with the most flair while ignoring the actual scenery surrounding the horse? Debate as a form of academic masturbation is just that, more often than not.

If you encounter a strawman, you have to explain how the strawman is supposed to work. By doing this, you back up your claim of logical fallacy, and you further prove the debating point.

As it stands, the original goon was only doing only a little better version of Pee Wee herman's "I know you are, so what am I?"

but not by much.
 
2012-12-20 04:45:11 PM

letrole: letrole: Atheism is a Religion.

orbister: Not collecting stamps is a hobby.


Actively eschewing stamp collecting whilst berating those who happen to collect stamps is a hobby.

A piss-poor hobby, but a hobby regardless.


The term atheism originated from the Greek ἄθεος (atheos), meaning "without god(s)", used as a pejorative term applied to those thought to reject the gods worshipped by the larger society.
Atheism has sometimes been defined to include the simple absence of belief that any deities exist. This broad definition would include newborns and other people who have not been exposed to theistic ideas.

//No mention of it being a religion.

Fun fact; In the US, in states with the highest percentages of atheists, the murder rate is lower than average. In the most religious US states, the murder rate is higher than average (wiki).

/TMYK
 
2012-12-20 04:45:12 PM
From their Website:
Prayer has been an integral part of Mercy Ships decades-long history. Join with those around the world who uphold the work of Mercy Ships in prayer.

And yet here come the christains and supposed atheists to tell us how we must shut up and take it while our tax dollars support proselyzation:

Dinobot: I'm an atheist and I think this is bs.

ArkAngel: What a farking douche twat. There is no case law that says government institutions can't work with religious institutions on projects. The church gets nothing out of this.

BuckTurgidson: [i14.photobucket.com image 54x11] You're not helping

OgreMagi: I'm another athiest who thinks this guy is an asshole.

Flakeloaf: Mercy Ships is not a religious organization

xanadian: Christians have WBC. Atheists have this guy.


Great Porn Dragon Nailed it:
a) As noted above, Mercy Ships is pretty much a front group of culty NARasites Youth With A Mission (who are in turn pretty much a front group of the NARasitic wing of the Assemblies of God, which is pretty much the majority in that denomination now).

b) New Hope Oahu is--surprise surprise surprise--a happy-clappy den of NARasites with links to a parent NARasitic congregation in Hilo with no obvious denominational affiliation (though both seem to be linked to a lot of NARasite paradenominations)--it took a fair amount of digging (finding some "leadership training" thing on the New Hope Hilo page, which seems to do all it can to hide anything about any affiliations whatsoever) to find there is linkage with an accreditation mill with a statement of faith very, very similar to that of the Assemblies of God--it took even more digging to find we're dealing with essentially an ordination mill run by International Foursquare, which is itself not only an "Assemblies daughter" but very NARasitic itself. (It's probably most (in)famous as Aimee Semple McPherson's "radio church"--McPherson being one of the first well-known "name it and claim it" radio televangelists, and one of the first to get caught up in a televangelism scandal.) It's likely that the whole "New Hope" paradenomination are either Hawaiian International Foursquare churches (heavily stealthed ones) or a paradenominational daughter.

Back to New Hope Oahu, it seems they run a few ordination mills themselves, including a planned one in Burma (probably trying to take advantage of the new openness and move in before regulations for missionary activity can be set--NARasites did the same thing in the ex-USSR and in South Korea, it's something they've gotten stupidly good at). It too has some clear NARasite linkage, including to a training institute for NARasite leadership.



TL;DR: Christians are filthy and they should feel ashamed for trying to use public monies for their superstition. Shame on you if you defend them.
 
2012-12-20 04:45:29 PM
What a Hawaiian HS band might look like
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2012-12-20 04:45:38 PM
Stay classy, libs!
 
2012-12-20 04:45:47 PM

bunner: SocraticIrony: This paragraph, at best, sounds like the incoherent babbling of a syphilitic mind.

and you come off like one more Woolworth's lunch counter know it all who thinks that cheap insults and a posture of authoritative arrogance equals unquestionable intellectual acuity. We all have our cross to bear. See what I did there? : )


I know for a fact that the irony of this statement is lost on you.

/icwutudidthur.jpeg
//You also rhymed
///like a school girl.
 
2012-12-20 04:45:53 PM

meat0918: skullkrusher: "The problem -- which led Matayoshi to cancel last Friday's Christmas concert at Moanalua High School because it was too intertwined with a New Hope Oahu church fundraising effort -- stemmed from a change in the "Gift of Hope Charity Concert" since the event's origins several years ago. The Moanalua orchestra had worked with New Hope Oahu's singers in past events, which served as a benefit for Mercy Ships, a charity that provides the world's poor with medical care.
However, this year the beneficiary seemed to be the church's own mission. Mitch Kahle, founder of Hawaii Citizens for the Separation of State and Church, noted that no charity was listed. When he asked how to get tickets, he was instructed to get them from the church at a service, where he was told to write out the check to New Hope. "

I think that 'splains it better

Well, that was anti-climactic.

Next year they'll use a shell charity then hand the money off to New Hope.

//Public schools should not be raising money for local churches missions.


yeah, having a hard time getting outraged by his outraged in light of that info. He still seems douchey but not because of this.
 
2012-12-20 04:46:53 PM

letrole: letrole: Atheism is a Religion.

orbister: Not collecting stamps is a hobby.


Actively eschewing stamp collecting whilst berating those who happen to collect stamps is a hobby.

A piss-poor hobby, but a hobby regardless.


Le Troll is your surname.
 
2012-12-20 04:48:11 PM

crazyeddie: TL;DR: Christians are filthy and they should feel ashamed for trying to use public monies for their superstition. Shame on you if you defend them.


hey Eddie - you're a moron,
 
Love,
God
 
2012-12-20 04:48:12 PM

MayoBoy: Has reading become a lost art?  FTFA:


First of all, the "article" is an opinion piece. If you had read anything else in this thread, you would have seen two things:

1) The advertisements said the money was going to New Hope Church, and the church played a big role in organizing the concert.

2) Mercy Ships is an evangelical Christian organization with strong ties to Youth With A Mission (they used to be the same, but have recently split up on paper)

Has critical reading become a lost art? When I was in school, we learned how to detect bias in 9th grade English class.
 
2012-12-20 04:48:19 PM

Tatterdemalian: AJisaff: yup, the red cross does jack squat.

Yup, the Red Holy Symbol of Jeebus is an atheist organization.

/or is the Red Holy Symbol of Mohammed the atheist one?
//either way, 0/10


actually, they are now promoting the use of the red crystal in order to remove any thought that it is religious....
Bill O'reilly still thinks it's based on the religious cross, but he was wrong... and so are you...

A]ccording to the American Red Cross website, it was "n honor of the Swiss ... [that] the symbol of a red cross on a white background (the reverse of the Swiss flag) was identified as a protective emblem in conflict areas." While the cross on the Swiss flag originated in the 1200s from "a symbol of the Christian faith," according to the Swiss Embassy in the United States, the Red Cross makes no mention of Christianity as a reason for adopting the symbol. ...

In addition to stating that its symbol was chosen as the reverse of the Swiss flag, the American Red Cross website adds that "[t]he Red Cross idea was born in 1859, when Henry Dunant, a young Swiss man, came upon the scene of a bloody battle in Solferino, Italy," and that the "emblem was adopted at this first International Conference as a symbol of neutrality" at the first-ever Geneva Convention at Geneva, Switzerland, in 1864.
 
2012-12-20 04:48:19 PM

Great Porn Dragon: Intrepid00: Theaetetus: And Mercy Ships apparently isn't all that secular.

 
" and serving all people without regard for race, gender, or religion."
 
For that matter....so do the sushi-restaurant suppliers run by Moonies or various Scientology fronts, but they're still recruitment fronts...and Mercy Ships is very much a front-group of one of the nastier NARasite coercive religious groups. (Hell, they're a front of one of the very few coercive religious groups actually linked with a murder-suicide.)
 
For those wondering (I was) I managed to figure out exactly which NAR Great Porn Dragon is referring to (surprisingly, it's *not* the National Association of Realtors!)  What it is, though, is the New Apostolic Reformation, a bunch of dominionist yahoos who think the government should be a theocracy controlled by evangelical Christians.
 
2012-12-20 04:48:24 PM

SocraticIrony: I know for a fact that the irony of this statement is lost on you.


No, it isn't. There is none. you just embedded an implied assertion and ascribed it to some nonexistent irony. You're also a troll. And it's been done better. : )
 
2012-12-20 04:48:48 PM
letrole: I've met such a fellow. It's one thing to be an unbeliever, quite another to confess belief, but still curse God and refuse acceptance.

jack21221: I don't believe in a God, but there are many versions of God who, if he DID exist, would be beyond contempt and would deserve the curses.


Well, that's just your opinion.
 
2012-12-20 04:49:52 PM

doonerpjenkins: Email: info[[nospam-﹫-backwards] image 7x13]cssch[* image 7x13]net

http://www.hcssc.net/

Enjoy! These guys are scum working hard to make sure Culty McCulterson NARasites can't use a public nonsectarian school to make money.


Fixed that for you, and half tempted to write them to THANK them.

(If they want to raise money for their culty-McCulterson NARasite schemes to convert African families to full-on Uganda-style KILL THE GAYS AND BURN THE WITCH CHILDREN dominionist NARasitism--and yes, their parent group is one of those linked to the Ugandan "Kill The Gays" bill that just will not farking die and comes back like a bad case of Genocide Herpes every six months and cases of kids being killed or becoming displaced (and functionally abandoned) kids after NARasite "revivals" promoting "deliverance ministry"...Sub-Saharan Africa is literally the LAST place we need to be encouraging frank NARasitism because it's already crossing the line to frank genocide there) they have their own megachurch facilities to do so. They don't need to use public school facilities for a de facto recruitment front, which (seriously, I will bet farking money on this because I've seen this so many times with NARasites trying to sneak recruitment fronts into public schools with the aim of targeting KIDS to join their coercive groups) was probably the intent of New Hope Oahu to begin with.)
 
2012-12-20 04:51:47 PM
Barbecue Bob: The term atheism originated from the Greek ἄθεος (atheos), meaning "without god(s)", used as a pejorative term applied to those thought to reject the gods worshipped by the larger society.
Atheism has sometimes been defined to include the simple absence of belief that any deities exist. This broad definition would include newborns and other people who have not been exposed to theistic ideas.



Atheism is a Religion.

The amusing part is where an almost endless supply of Schoolboy Atheists will launch into ever-decreasing circles of denial, and exercises of semantics worthy of any medieval theologian.
 
2012-12-20 04:52:15 PM

Great Porn Dragon: they want to raise money for their culty-McCulterson NARasite schemes to convert African families to full-on Uganda-style KILL THE GAYS AND BURN THE WITCH CHILDREN dominionist NARasitism


Do you have the minutes of this meeting? It sounds fascinating.
 
2012-12-20 04:53:52 PM
buckler: Le Troll is your surname.


And if your mum had her way, it would be yours as well.
 
2012-12-20 04:53:59 PM
"THE FREEMASONS JESUS PEOPLE ARE POISONING THE WELLS! *yawn* Grow a spine, folks. You look silly.
 
2012-12-20 04:57:08 PM

bunner: SocraticIrony: I know for a fact that the irony of this statement is lost on you.

No, it isn't. There is none. you just embedded an implied assertion and ascribed it to some nonexistent irony. You're also a troll. And it's been done better. : )


Hah I'm not a troll but picturing your face turning red from indignation while frantically trying to type your eloquent ad hominems while at the same time trying to deny they are just that, brings a smile to my face.
 
2012-12-20 04:57:27 PM
This makes me want to Puka
 
2012-12-20 04:58:08 PM

jack21221: Thunderboy: reaperducer: What the fark have atheists done for the helpless?

Jack squat, that's what.

I've done my share, I just don't belong to any particular organization.

Major dick move by the guy in the article. Never mind atheists - he give humans a bad name.

I keep asking people this, but nobody responds. Can you please point out exactly why what he did was bad? A school event was raising money for a church (supposedly to benefit a Christian charity). This guy pointed out that public schools cannot raise money for Christian organizations, so now the church is holding the concert directly.

Please explain to me why this is wrong.


I admittedly made the n00b mistake of taking the article at face value.
 
2012-12-20 04:59:28 PM

SocraticIrony: Hah I'm not a troll but picturing your face turning red from indignation while frantically trying to type


You, uh read this sh*t first, don't you? *snort* Sorry, I feel great. Word to your sainted mother, kind gal she is. Bye nose pick. : )
 
2012-12-20 05:02:23 PM

bunner:
You, uh read this sh*t first, don't you? *snort* Sorry, I feel great. Word to your sainted mother, kind gal she is. Bye nose pick. : )


Nothing of substance to say? I'll declare this a victory then.
 
2012-12-20 05:04:35 PM
Great Porn Dragon: If they want to raise money for their culty-McCulterson NARasite schemes to convert African families to full-on Uganda-style KILL THE GAYS AND BURN THE WITCH CHILDREN dominionist NARasitism--and yes, their parent group is one of those linked to the Ugandan "Kill The Gays" bill

Fullcaps IN unusual or the wrong PLACES detracts from the content and makes the author look a bit loonish

/HTH
/HAND
 
2012-12-20 05:05:19 PM

letrole: letrole: Argument by charges of logical fallacy is the last refuge of the man who has lost the real argument.

bunner: Really, why's that, then? I mean, isn't the point of alleged superior intellectual methodology to beat the dead horse with the most flair while ignoring the actual scenery surrounding the horse? Debate as a form of academic masturbation is just that, more often than not.

If you encounter a strawman, you have to explain how the strawman is supposed to work. By doing this, you back up your claim of logical fallacy, and you further prove the debating point.

As it stands, the original goon was only doing only a little better version of Pee Wee herman's "I know you are, so what am I?"

but not by much.


You got a manual for that gymnastic dead end? Cause if this is one of those "I have a complete list of debate fallacies and an abacus" things, I don't think I'm buying.
 
2012-12-20 05:05:42 PM

skullkrusher: crazyeddie: TL;DR: Christians are filthy and they should feel ashamed for trying to use public monies for their superstition. Shame on you if you defend them.

hey Eddie - you're a moron,

Love,
God


Which god? And why does he need my tax dollars to get his message out? We need to end solcial welfare for churches: Let them stand on their own two feet. They use fire, police, roads, social services, and yet are tax exempt. I say make them pay their fair share.

Surely you support such bootstrappiness, right Skully?
 
2012-12-20 05:09:08 PM

SocraticIrony: I'll declare this a victory then.


Of course you will dear. But you'e NOT TROLLING!1!! You're saving me a fortune on cable and way funnier than fat redneck girls in sketchy beauty pageants. Come on, gimmie the Big Troll™ You know, , the one that sends you into a dick squeezing lip biting frenzy while you high five your friends in 8th grade! You can do it, water boy! : )
 
2012-12-20 05:09:08 PM

bunner: orbister: People. Will. Go. Along. With. Almost. Anything. If. It. Saves. Their. Lives.

So?


So exploiting their weakness is wrong. If only there was some religion which took the side of the weak against the powerful, eh?
 
2012-12-20 05:09:15 PM

crazyeddie: skullkrusher: crazyeddie: TL;DR: Christians are filthy and they should feel ashamed for trying to use public monies for their superstition. Shame on you if you defend them.

hey Eddie - you're a moron,

Love,
God

Which god? And why does he need my tax dollars to get his message out? We need to end solcial welfare for churches: Let them stand on their own two feet. They use fire, police, roads, social services, and yet are tax exempt. I say make them pay their fair share.

Surely you support such bootstrappiness, right Skully?


Turns out the skullcrusher was correct. You are crazy. Sadly, you mixed it with a whole bunch of stupid. That never turns out well.
 
2012-12-20 05:09:29 PM
>as far as I can tell, it is 100% dedicated to providing health care services to impoverished people with no mention of proselytization.

Right...http://www.mercyships.org/pray/
 
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