Cars becoming radically safer isn't sad subby.

I do seem to recall that there was a huge pile up on the I-6 just about the same time that the Battle of Antietam was going on.

Charlie Chingas: We can prevent this by banning guns. There. Problem solved. You're welcome.

And fertilizer.
And accelerants.
And projectiles.
And blunt objects.
Any piercing objects.

There are always weapons.

At least with a gun you have a chance to stop/overwhelm the shooter, can't say the same for someone with a bomb.

Hundreds of thousands of people died in the US during the Civil War. Not a single person died in a car accident that year.

YOU LIE, OBAMA.

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Gdalescrboz: Libs tend to fairly level headed about most issues; but something about guns make them go absolutely full retard. I voted Dem for the first time in 2012 but if this becomes a major issue for Dems I will switch back to voting straight republican.

As a liberal I'm entirely fine with trading universal health insurance for a small increase in gun deaths. Seriously, 40% lifetime chance of cancer, vs less than a tenth of a percent being shot to death.

\You get behind me, I'll get behind you.


I'm all about healthcare. Where is this increase in gun deaths. They have declining for over a decade now. Unless you mean universal healthcare will cause more people to die from gun injuries, which is probably accurate

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Gdalescrboz: Libs tend to fairly level headed about most issues; but something about guns make them go absolutely full retard. I voted Dem for the first time in 2012 but if this becomes a major issue for Dems I will switch back to voting straight republican.

NRA's money is well spent.


Oh i see. People can vote on personal issues like abortion to gay rights; but if vote on an issues that directly affects every American negatively, I'm the bad guy. fark you schmuck

Libs tend to fairly level headed about most issues; but something about guns make them go absolutely full retard. I voted Dem for the first time in 2012 but if this becomes a major issue for Dems I will switch back to voting straight republican.

My BRAND!: Comparing vehicular deaths to gun related deaths is disingenuous.

The fact that dead is dead makes them comparable.

But more specifically, what I'm comparing (or contrasting, actually) is the POLITICAL REACTION to traffic deaths versus the POLITICAL REACTION to gun deaths.

Statists go to every length imaginable to skew the statistics of gun deaths to make it appear that guns are the Greatest Problem Imaginable. They seize on people's worst moment to blind the public to reason, using dead kids and political bargaining chips. They blather on and on about gun deaths, but conveniently fail to mention that the overwhelming majority of them are either suicides or drug-dealing-gang-scum killing other gang-scum. They ignore the results of every other legislated prohibition in world history, and how it instantly created a black market, and other secondary harmful social effects (like the proliferation of gang-scum murders flowing from drug prohibition). Etc.

Meanwhile, there is a daily bloodbath occurring on the property that is owned and controlled by that very same government, a death toll equivalent to 4 Newtown Massacres per day. The State has control over this area of life, having designed and built the roads, dictated the terms of their use and enforcement methods, and the safety designs of the cars that people buy. This use of the government's property is the No. 1 cause of early death (apart from diseases of aging, poor diet and lack of exercise), and it has been that way for over 50 years, with minimal improvement.

What's disingenuous is the anti-gun Statist political-media machine, which ignores the problem that could be fixed without a loss of Constitutional liberty, which would save far more lives, and instead bleats endlessly about guns, a problem that it is incompetent to solve, and the "solution" for which will make the lives of millions of people worse.

GnomePaladin: Voiceofreason01: Magorn:
Know how I know you don't know how extrapolation, trend lines, math, and the CDC work?

you know how I know that you don't?

/you can't simply take a trend line and extend it forever into the future and expect an accurate prediction

Two years is forever? I guess if you believe the rapture is nigh...

The last actual data they had was from 2011, so they were actually projecting out 4 years from the last data point.

But there are other more important faults with their methodology. They only used the last 10 years of data to establish the rates of increase or decline in death rates. They threw 22 years of data away. They assumed the rates of change were linear and just did a simple least squares fit to come up with the rates. Even Excel can do a better job with a few mouse clicks. Finally they completely disregarded the underlying economic conditions that effect the rates. In case you forgot, the economy has been bad and getting worse for the entire period they used to estimate the change in rates of death. Lack of money and increased gas prices reduce the number of miles driven. It wouldn't be very hard to show statistically that people who have lost their jobs, their homes, their savings, or all three are at a significantly higher risk of suicide. Bad economic times also increase crime rates.

I don't doubt that eventually gun deaths will eventually outpace automobile deaths, especially given the automatic collision avoidance systems that are coming, but it isn't going to be in 3 years.

Every day, 85 Americans are shot dead, about 53 of them in suicides.

So, in other words, 53 people who would otherwise hang themselves, overdose on pills, or find some other way to kill themselves every day have been included in this study to skew the numbers the way the CDC wants them to appear.

Come back to me with numbers that don't include suicides by car or gun and we'll talk.

justGreg: Snargi: homarjr: ]

/Not sure how accurate these numbers are, but I think you get the point....

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Those numbers are misleading. Give me the percentage of gun murders BY population of each of those countries.

Finland 0.45
Australia 0.14
England and Wales 0.07
Spain 0.2
Germany 0.19
Canada 0.51
USA 2.97

Does that help?

Actually, it does. But seeing those numbers doesn't have the same shock value which is why the Brady Campaign didn't use percentages for their graphic.

justGreg: david_gaithersburg: According to Wiki the US has on of the lowest per capita homicide rates on the planet Link
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LOL wut? Compared to some starving sub-Saharan African countries maybe. Not compared to the countries that we should be compared to:

Japan 0.3
Germany 0.8
Italy 0.9
UK 1.2
Canada 1.6
USA 4.2

There are 97 countries on that list with a lower homicide rate, including Iraq, Israel, and Afghanistan. We have a homicide problem, and your link verifies it.

/USA - We're number 98!

The deadliest place on earth is actually on our border.

Charlie Chingas: We can prevent this by banning guns. There. Problem solved. You're welcome.
 
Fortunately the criminal types are such law abidding citizens who will happily turn in their illegal weapons when the ban takes affect.  You're a farking genius!

Voiceofreason01: Magorn:
Know how I know you don't know how extrapolation, trend lines, math, and the CDC work?

you know how I know that you don't?

/you can't simply take a trend line and extend it forever into the future and expect an accurate prediction



Oblig.

halfof33: I do seem to recall that there was a huge pile up on the I-6 just about the same time that the Battle of Antietam was going on.

Thread is over!

FTFA:

Every day, 85 Americans are shot dead, about 53 of them in suicides. This figure is still lower than 1993's peak in gun deaths (37,666), but has risen significantly since firearm deaths reached a low in 2000 (28,393). The data goes back to 1979.

Read more: http://politics.kfyi.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed =104668&article=10651348#ixzz2FcPSyGMg

So, basically, of the 85 people shot dead, 53 of them are suffering from mental issues that could be solved by seeking help from a licensed healthcare professional, maybe as some sort of program to increase the viability and availability of mental health care, cutting the number of deaths in half?

According to Wiki the US has on of the lowest per capita homicide rates on the planet Link

And according to Harvard gun control is counter productive Link

And the Vatican is the most dangerous country on the planet Link

If only there were an ignore button for obvious facts.

homarjr: WhoopAssWayne: I wrote all of my congress members this morning, and for the first time, joined the NRA.

Obama must not be permitted to exploit the deaths of these children for his own self-serving, anti-rights agenda.

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/Not sure how accurate these numbers are, but I think you get the point....

Notice how the South American countries aren't listed? Central American countries aren't listed? We're in the cartel drug corridor.

And to think, we've never proposed banning cars before this year!!

Voiceofreason01: /you can't simply take a trend line and extend it forever into the future and expect an accurate prediction

Unless you're a climatologist.

Show me the relevant stats.

Exclude the people who are involved in the drug trade.
Exclude suicides.
Exclude domestic violence incidents where one of the participants has either a violent criminal record or the police have been previously called to the residence more than once.

This statistic is as bullshiat as the "drunk" driving statistic where they count the incident as "alcohol related" if a sober driver hits a drunk pedestrian or if the diver is sober but the passenger is intoxicated.

impaler: According to the CDC, in 2015 more 32,000 people will die from gunshot wounds than car accidents in the US for the first time ever

FTFY

According to Bloomberg, this is less than gun fatalities.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-19/american-gun-deaths-to-exce ed -traffic-fatalities-by-2015.html

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Given falling rates of homicide and unintended fatal firearm injuries, the obvious solution is attempting to prevent suicide.

Alternatively, the nation could ban assault weapons and not avert the problem at all.

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Earguy: To be fair, this is also a reflection of the trend to safer cars as the older unsafe ones age off the roads. Cars are getting safer to the point that "insurance adjuster" is a job that is in decline.

Also, the end of insanely cheap gasoline has made people drive a little less often, and a little more passively.

This and this ^

Considering that the total number of individuals killed by firearms is about static (even as our population grows) and the total number of individuals killed by cars is dramatically decreasing (even as our population grows), how in the world is this sad? This is very, very good news.

Magorn: voltOhm: So the CDC is freaking psychic now? It's not even 2013 yet. The fear Mongers are working overtime on this one. The funny thing is the people spouting this nonsense are the same people that are pro-population control through abortions. Freaking cowardly idiots.

Know how I know you don't know how extrapolation, trend lines, math, and the CDC work?

Something tells me that more people died of gunshot wounds than automobile accidents back in the 1800s.