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(KFYI)   According to the CDC, in 2015 more people will die from gunshot wounds than car accidents in the US for the first time ever   (politics.kfyi.com) divider line 45
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2012-12-20 12:59:29 PM
4 votes:
Rational person: good news, we've implemented safety design standards in cars such that people aren't getting killed in car accidents as much!

Person with a political agenda: Guns is killing more people than cars! Wharnargle
2012-12-20 12:58:16 PM
4 votes:
Cars becoming radically safer isn't sad subby.
2012-12-20 10:56:54 AM
4 votes:
I do seem to recall that there was a huge pile up on the I-6 just about the same time that the Battle of Antietam was going on.
2012-12-20 11:11:41 AM
3 votes:
To be fair, this is also a reflection of the trend to safer cars as the older unsafe ones age off the roads. Cars are getting safer to the point that "insurance adjuster" is a job that is in decline.
2012-12-20 01:19:07 PM
2 votes:

Charlie Chingas: We can prevent this by banning guns. There. Problem solved. You're welcome.


And fertilizer.
And accelerants.
And projectiles.
And blunt objects.
Any piercing objects.

There are always weapons.

At least with a gun you have a chance to stop/overwhelm the shooter, can't say the same for someone with a bomb.
2012-12-20 01:00:26 PM
2 votes:
Hundreds of thousands of people died in the US during the Civil War. Not a single person died in a car accident that year.

YOU LIE, OBAMA.
2012-12-20 12:59:09 PM
2 votes:

Earguy: To be fair, this is also a reflection of the trend to safer cars as the older unsafe ones age off the roads. Cars are getting safer to the point that "insurance adjuster" is a job that is in decline.


Cars have not yet reached a point that they avoid collisions by themselves. I'm related to an adjuster and believe me, there is no shortage of work. People wreck their cars only ever so slightly less often than before, it's just that they are much more likely to live through it these days.
2012-12-20 10:41:10 AM
2 votes:

voltOhm: So the CDC is freaking psychic now? It's not even 2013 yet. The fear Mongers are working overtime on this one. The funny thing is the people spouting this nonsense are the same people that are pro-population control through abortions. Freaking cowardly idiots.

 
Weapons.  Grade.  Stupid.

2012-12-20 10:34:37 AM
2 votes:
Bookmarked for Jan, 1 2016.
2012-12-20 10:21:13 AM
2 votes:
So the CDC is freaking psychic now? It's not even 2013 yet. The fear Mongers are working overtime on this one. The funny thing is the people spouting this nonsense are the same people that are pro-population control through abortions. Freaking cowardly idiots.
2012-12-20 11:05:12 PM
1 votes:
gibbon1

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2012-12-20 10:55:06 PM
Gdalescrboz: Libs tend to fairly level headed about most issues; but something about guns make them go absolutely full retard. I voted Dem for the first time in 2012 but if this becomes a major issue for Dems I will switch back to voting straight republican.

As a liberal I'm entirely fine with trading universal health insurance for a small increase in gun deaths. Seriously, 40% lifetime chance of cancer, vs less than a tenth of a percent being shot to death.

\You get behind me, I'll get behind you.


I'm all about healthcare. Where is this increase in gun deaths. They have declining for over a decade now. Unless you mean universal healthcare will cause more people to die from gun injuries, which is probably accurate
2012-12-20 10:41:53 PM
1 votes:


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2012-12-20 09:50:06 PM
Gdalescrboz: Libs tend to fairly level headed about most issues; but something about guns make them go absolutely full retard. I voted Dem for the first time in 2012 but if this becomes a major issue for Dems I will switch back to voting straight republican.

NRA's money is well spent.


Oh i see. People can vote on personal issues like abortion to gay rights; but if vote on an issues that directly affects every American negatively, I'm the bad guy. fark you schmuck
2012-12-20 10:16:43 PM
1 votes:

homarjr: WhoopAssWayne: I wrote all of my congress members this morning, and for the first time, joined the NRA.

Obama must not be permitted to exploit the deaths of these children for his own self-serving, anti-rights agenda.

[bradycenter.org image 740x343]

/Not sure how accurate these numbers are, but I think you get the point....


And in one year 466 people per 100k in the US were victimized by violent crime. While in the UK the number skyrockets to 2,034 per 100k. 

Statistically in the US if you are not a male, young, black, and live in a large city in a neighborhood with a poverty level average income.......you are not in any serious danger of dying from a gunshot. Now obviously there is some level of risk for everyone, but when you compare the actual death statistics to the number of American homes which own guns safely.......

I can make the statement that a firearm is one of the safest things you can own if you are not a young black man in a poor neighborhood of a large city.

If you throw in gun laws in large cities and redo the numbers you can start to make statements like a firearm is the safest tool you can legally own.

Im not trying to throw a race bomb here, but I think the emphasis on the gun as the problem is leaving our at risk populations without adequate investigation into the real causes of those deaths.

Its just too easy to blame the gun when poverty and de-socialization are the real problems that drive young men to the criminal behavior that leads to gun deaths. 

Also, FARK, PLEASE FIX THE GODDAMN RIGHT CLICK TO SPELL CHECK PROBLEM IN THIS TEXT WINDOW! I dont want to paste, I want to spell check!
2012-12-20 09:30:29 PM
1 votes:
Libs tend to fairly level headed about most issues; but something about guns make them go absolutely full retard. I voted Dem for the first time in 2012 but if this becomes a major issue for Dems I will switch back to voting straight republican.
2012-12-20 08:44:26 PM
1 votes:

My BRAND!: Comparing vehicular deaths to gun related deaths is disingenuous.


The fact that dead is dead makes them comparable.

But more specifically, what I'm comparing (or contrasting, actually) is the POLITICAL REACTION to traffic deaths versus the POLITICAL REACTION to gun deaths.

Statists go to every length imaginable to skew the statistics of gun deaths to make it appear that guns are the Greatest Problem Imaginable. They seize on people's worst moment to blind the public to reason, using dead kids and political bargaining chips. They blather on and on about gun deaths, but conveniently fail to mention that the overwhelming majority of them are either suicides or drug-dealing-gang-scum killing other gang-scum. They ignore the results of every other legislated prohibition in world history, and how it instantly created a black market, and other secondary harmful social effects (like the proliferation of gang-scum murders flowing from drug prohibition). Etc.

Meanwhile, there is a daily bloodbath occurring on the property that is owned and controlled by that very same government, a death toll equivalent to 4 Newtown Massacres per day. The State has control over this area of life, having designed and built the roads, dictated the terms of their use and enforcement methods, and the safety designs of the cars that people buy. This use of the government's property is the No. 1 cause of early death (apart from diseases of aging, poor diet and lack of exercise), and it has been that way for over 50 years, with minimal improvement.

What's disingenuous is the anti-gun Statist political-media machine, which ignores the problem that could be fixed without a loss of Constitutional liberty, which would save far more lives, and instead bleats endlessly about guns, a problem that it is incompetent to solve, and the "solution" for which will make the lives of millions of people worse.
2012-12-20 04:08:29 PM
1 votes:

GnomePaladin: Voiceofreason01: Magorn:
Know how I know you don't know how extrapolation, trend lines, math, and the CDC work?

you know how I know that you don't?

/you can't simply take a trend line and extend it forever into the future and expect an accurate prediction

Two years is forever? I guess if you believe the rapture is nigh...


The last actual data they had was from 2011, so they were actually projecting out 4 years from the last data point.

But there are other more important faults with their methodology. They only used the last 10 years of data to establish the rates of increase or decline in death rates. They threw 22 years of data away. They assumed the rates of change were linear and just did a simple least squares fit to come up with the rates. Even Excel can do a better job with a few mouse clicks. Finally they completely disregarded the underlying economic conditions that effect the rates. In case you forgot, the economy has been bad and getting worse for the entire period they used to estimate the change in rates of death. Lack of money and increased gas prices reduce the number of miles driven. It wouldn't be very hard to show statistically that people who have lost their jobs, their homes, their savings, or all three are at a significantly higher risk of suicide. Bad economic times also increase crime rates.

I don't doubt that eventually gun deaths will eventually outpace automobile deaths, especially given the automatic collision avoidance systems that are coming, but it isn't going to be in 3 years.
2012-12-20 04:04:22 PM
1 votes:
Every day, 85 Americans are shot dead, about 53 of them in suicides.

So, in other words, 53 people who would otherwise hang themselves, overdose on pills, or find some other way to kill themselves every day have been included in this study to skew the numbers the way the CDC wants them to appear.

Come back to me with numbers that don't include suicides by car or gun and we'll talk.
2012-12-20 02:34:04 PM
1 votes:

justGreg: Snargi: homarjr: ]

/Not sure how accurate these numbers are, but I think you get the point....

[bradycenter.org image 740x343]

Those numbers are misleading. Give me the percentage of gun murders BY population of each of those countries.

Finland 0.45
Australia 0.14
England and Wales 0.07
Spain 0.2
Germany 0.19
Canada 0.51
USA 2.97

Does that help?


Actually, it does. But seeing those numbers doesn't have the same shock value which is why the Brady Campaign didn't use percentages for their graphic.
2012-12-20 02:14:12 PM
1 votes:

Snargi: homarjr: ]

/Not sure how accurate these numbers are, but I think you get the point....

[bradycenter.org image 740x343]

Those numbers are misleading. Give me the percentage of gun murders BY population of each of those countries.


FTFY. Murdered is murdered. If you just count gun homicides, than a country that where the preferred method of homicide is the gun is going to look worse than a country that has an overall higher homicide rate, but a very low *GUN* homicide rate.
2012-12-20 01:55:25 PM
1 votes:

justGreg: david_gaithersburg: According to Wiki the US has on of the lowest per capita homicide rates on the planet Link
.

LOL wut? Compared to some starving sub-Saharan African countries maybe. Not compared to the countries that we should be compared to:

Japan 0.3
Germany 0.8
Italy 0.9
UK 1.2
Canada 1.6
USA 4.2

There are 97 countries on that list with a lower homicide rate, including Iraq, Israel, and Afghanistan. We have a homicide problem, and your link verifies it.

/USA - We're number 98!


The deadliest place on earth is actually on our border.
2012-12-20 01:55:12 PM
1 votes:

Charlie Chingas: We can prevent this by banning guns. There. Problem solved. You're welcome.

 
Fortunately the criminal types are such law abidding citizens who will happily turn in their illegal weapons when the ban takes affect.  You're a farking genius!
2012-12-20 01:52:13 PM
1 votes:

david_gaithersburg: you have pee hands: david_gaithersburg: According to Wiki the US has on of the lowest per capita homicide rates on the planet Link

That's not what it says at all.  Are you illiterate or just Fark's least competent troll?

Did you read it? 4.1 per 100,000 is pretty farking low, lower than many place in your glorious EU.


Europe as a whole has a homicide rate of 3.5 per 100,000. We're not that far off that number, despite having more civilian guns per capita than any other nation in the World.
2012-12-20 01:51:41 PM
1 votes:

Voiceofreason01: Magorn:
Know how I know you don't know how extrapolation, trend lines, math, and the CDC work?

you know how I know that you don't?

/you can't simply take a trend line and extend it forever into the future and expect an accurate prediction


imgs.xkcd.com

Oblig.
2012-12-20 01:47:07 PM
1 votes:

halfof33: I do seem to recall that there was a huge pile up on the I-6 just about the same time that the Battle of Antietam was going on.


Thread is over!
2012-12-20 01:36:47 PM
1 votes:
FTFA:

Every day, 85 Americans are shot dead, about 53 of them in suicides. This figure is still lower than 1993's peak in gun deaths (37,666), but has risen significantly since firearm deaths reached a low in 2000 (28,393). The data goes back to 1979.

Read more: http://politics.kfyi.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed =104668&article=10651348#ixzz2FcPSyGMg


So, basically, of the 85 people shot dead, 53 of them are suffering from mental issues that could be solved by seeking help from a licensed healthcare professional, maybe as some sort of program to increase the viability and availability of mental health care, cutting the number of deaths in half?
2012-12-20 01:35:16 PM
1 votes:
According to Wiki the US has on of the lowest per capita homicide rates on the planet Link

And according to Harvard gun control is counter productive Link

And the Vatican is the most dangerous country on the planet Link

If only there were an ignore button for obvious facts.
2012-12-20 01:25:46 PM
1 votes:

computerguyUT: Lets see....population increasing = number of deaths increasing


That is true. They should be using death rates.
 
Their '10 year average' for extrapolation is arbitrary as well. If they used a '4 year average, they could predict the end to all auto-related fatalities in just 14 years.
2012-12-20 01:24:10 PM
1 votes:

homarjr: WhoopAssWayne: I wrote all of my congress members this morning, and for the first time, joined the NRA.

Obama must not be permitted to exploit the deaths of these children for his own self-serving, anti-rights agenda.

[bradycenter.org image 740x343]

/Not sure how accurate these numbers are, but I think you get the point....


Notice how the South American countries aren't listed? Central American countries aren't listed? We're in the cartel drug corridor.
2012-12-20 01:22:26 PM
1 votes:

justGreg: bacongood: Earguy: To be fair, this is also a reflection of the trend to safer cars as the older unsafe ones age off the roads. Cars are getting safer to the point that "insurance adjuster" is a job that is in decline.

To be fair, this is about 99% safer car and 1% guns.

Somebody could probably make an argument that the "99% safer cars" thing is related to governmental intrusion, with things like safety requirements, mandatory licensing based on driver training, and so forth. They might even suggest that some of the same sort of actions could be taken regarding guns and it might produce an analogous result.


Historically restrictions on gun ownership in the US have done little to curb violence. In no small part because the vast majority of gun deaths are either with illegally owned guns or suicides
2012-12-20 01:15:51 PM
1 votes:

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: So are we to assume that of the 53 people that off themselves, some would not find another means if a gun was not available?


Other methods are less effective and less portable. Firearm use is a big reason why men have a much greater "success" rate at suicide than women do. That being said, we had a student at my command in the military that decided a 12-gauge blast to the chest was the way to go. He didn't die. That was a surprise to all involved, no doubt.

When it comes down to it, cars are becoming (as they have since the 60s especially) measurably safer. We've mastered crash survivability and now have moved into avoidance. ESC, traction control, and some advanced cruise controls actively work to prevent accidents. Cars are even far safer now for pedestrians that are struck; that is the reason that all new cars have that more blob-like front end and higher belt-lines.

Guns on the other hand are becoming more lethal. Better optics, better ergonomics, though I can't speak to mechanical reliability. There are a ton of garbage-quality firearms available. Auto deaths are decreasing deliberately, mostly because the users and makers of automobiles don't want the recipients of their product to die. It is kind of an unfair comparison, really.
2012-12-20 01:10:50 PM
1 votes:
I wrote all of my congress members this morning, and for the first time, joined the NRA.

Obama must not be permitted to exploit the deaths of these children for his own self-serving, anti-rights agenda.

And unfortunately liberals, it looks like after they try their hatchet job on the 2nd Amendment, the 1st Amendment is next in line, at least in terms of "violent" video games. Your fellow democrats are already beating that drum:

Video Games Targeted By Senate In Wake Of Sandy Hook Shooting - HuffPo
2012-12-20 01:09:51 PM
1 votes:
And to think, we've never proposed banning cars before this year!!
2012-12-20 01:09:30 PM
1 votes:
Until we legalize eutanasia just let the people in pain have access to guns because when they try to kill themselves other ways...they only maim or cripple themselves.

Have some compassion.
2012-12-20 01:07:38 PM
1 votes:

Voiceofreason01: /you can't simply take a trend line and extend it forever into the future and expect an accurate prediction


Unless you're a climatologist.
2012-12-20 01:07:28 PM
1 votes:
Show me the relevant stats.

Exclude the people who are involved in the drug trade.
Exclude suicides.
Exclude domestic violence incidents where one of the participants has either a violent criminal record or the police have been previously called to the residence more than once.

This statistic is as bullshiat as the "drunk" driving statistic where they count the incident as "alcohol related" if a sober driver hits a drunk pedestrian or if the diver is sober but the passenger is intoxicated.
2012-12-20 01:05:36 PM
1 votes:

impaler: According to the CDC, in 2015 more 32,000 people will die from gunshot wounds than car accidents in the US for the first time ever

FTFY

According to Bloomberg, this is less than gun fatalities.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-19/american-gun-deaths-to-exce ed -traffic-fatalities-by-2015.html

[www.bloomberg.com image 620x413]


Given falling rates of homicide and unintended fatal firearm injuries, the obvious solution is attempting to prevent suicide.

Alternatively, the nation could ban assault weapons and not avert the problem at all.
2012-12-20 01:04:21 PM
1 votes:

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Earguy: To be fair, this is also a reflection of the trend to safer cars as the older unsafe ones age off the roads. Cars are getting safer to the point that "insurance adjuster" is a job that is in decline.

Also, the end of insanely cheap gasoline has made people drive a little less often, and a little more passively.


This and this ^
2012-12-20 01:03:39 PM
1 votes:
According to the CDC, in 2015 more 32,000 people will die from gunshot wounds than car accidents in the US for the first time ever  
 
FTFY
 
According to Bloomberg, this is less than gun fatalities.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-19/american-gun-deaths-to-exce ed -traffic-fatalities-by-2015.html 
 
www.bloomberg.com
2012-12-20 01:02:37 PM
1 votes:
Considering that the total number of individuals killed by firearms is about static (even as our population grows) and the total number of individuals killed by cars is dramatically decreasing (even as our population grows), how in the world is this sad? This is very, very good news.
2012-12-20 01:01:55 PM
1 votes:
Magorn:
Know how I know you don't know how extrapolation, trend lines, math, and the CDC work?

you know how I know that you don't?
 
/you can't simply take a trend line and extend it forever into the future and expect an accurate prediction
GBB
2012-12-20 01:01:31 PM
1 votes:

Magorn: voltOhm: So the CDC is freaking psychic now? It's not even 2013 yet. The fear Mongers are working overtime on this one. The funny thing is the people spouting this nonsense are the same people that are pro-population control through abortions. Freaking cowardly idiots.

Know how I know you don't know how extrapolation, trend lines, math, and the CDC work?


t1.gstatic.com
2012-12-20 01:00:23 PM
1 votes:
Something tells me that more people died of gunshot wounds than automobile accidents back in the 1800s.
2012-12-20 12:54:56 PM
1 votes:
It's not the first time ever; I'm sure this was the case before cars were invented as well.  But there is also more here than just "gun violence will destroy us all"... but I'm pretty sure we'll hear what they are.
 

Earguy: To be fair, this is also a reflection of the trend to safer cars as the older unsafe ones age off the roads. Cars are getting safer to the point that "insurance adjuster" is a job that is in decline.


Like this, less kids getting their licenses at 16, more DUI monitoring, ect ect.
2012-12-20 12:48:54 PM
1 votes:
Many of the people who will doubt this prediction are the same people who predicted a comfortable win for Mitt Romney last month.
2012-12-20 10:25:43 AM
1 votes:

voltOhm: So the CDC is freaking psychic now? It's not even 2013 yet. The fear Mongers are working overtime on this one. The funny thing is the people spouting this nonsense are the same people that are pro-population control through abortions. Freaking cowardly idiots.

 
Know how I know you don't know how extrapolation, trend lines, math, and the CDC work?
 
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