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2012-12-20 03:32:23 PM  
I will just let everyone know that the reason for that this past year the US has seen the lowest levels of automobile accidents since 1949... and have dropped 25% since 1995...   http://www.nbcnews.com/business/us-traffic-deaths-lowest-level-1949-7 6 0537
 
"And knowing is half the battle"
 
2012-12-20 03:45:08 PM  
I wonder what those 15,000 annual suiciders will take care of business when they don't have access to guns. A close relative told me she planned on crossing over the center line and head on into a 18 wheeler. She decided not to do it, fortunately.
 
2012-12-20 03:45:54 PM  

fireclown: Pants full of macaroni!!: Still waiting for those "super-predators" we were promised.

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2012-12-20 03:51:00 PM  

kombat_unit: I wonder what those 15,000 annual suiciders will take care of business when they don't have access to guns. A close relative told me she planned on crossing over the center line and head on into a 18 wheeler. She decided not to do it, fortunately.


Ranges.

I'm sure they are getting ready to ban those though.
 
2012-12-20 03:52:28 PM  
We need to get serious and tough with new gun laws. Sweeping legislation, along with increased law enforcement and tougher penalties for people with illegal firearms. It's the only way to eradicate this menace. The President needs to lead the way.
We could call it the "War on Guns"

That should work.
 
2012-12-20 03:55:30 PM  
A good measure to see if safety improvements (airbags, seatbelts, etc.) have caused the down-turn in vehicle related deaths, or if it's the economy causing people to drive less, is to look at the motor vehicle related pedestrian deaths: They won't be effected by car safety improvements, but would be by fewer vehicles on the road.

Low and behold, they've dropped like a rock:
YEAR DEAD RATE
2006: 5,021 1.68
2007: 4,820 1.60
2008: 4,489 1,48
2009: 4,190 1.34
2010: 4,383 1.42

As of 2010, the rate is 15% lower than it was before the recession hit, and it was as low as 20% down off the 2006 peak in 2009.
 
2012-12-20 04:02:47 PM  

kombat_unit: I wonder what those 15,000 annual suiciders will take care of business when they don't have access to guns. A close relative told me she planned on crossing over the center line and head on into a 18 wheeler. She decided not to do it, fortunately.


I hear that's all the rage on the Autobahn.

Personally I more worry what the next sick fascination will be among spree shooters when imitating COD is no longer the popular thing.

/The other half of the planet likes to settle its scores with bombs.
 
2012-12-20 04:04:22 PM  
Every day, 85 Americans are shot dead, about 53 of them in suicides.

So, in other words, 53 people who would otherwise hang themselves, overdose on pills, or find some other way to kill themselves every day have been included in this study to skew the numbers the way the CDC wants them to appear.

Come back to me with numbers that don't include suicides by car or gun and we'll talk.
 
2012-12-20 04:05:33 PM  

way south: kombat_unit: I wonder what those 15,000 annual suiciders will take care of business when they don't have access to guns. A close relative told me she planned on crossing over the center line and head on into a 18 wheeler. She decided not to do it, fortunately.

I hear that's all the rage on the Autobahn.

Personally I more worry what the next sick fascination will be among spree shooters when imitating COD is no longer the popular thing.

/The other half of the planet likes to settle its scores with bombs.


And remote drones. Don't forget the drones.
 
2012-12-20 04:08:29 PM  

GnomePaladin: Voiceofreason01: Magorn:
Know how I know you don't know how extrapolation, trend lines, math, and the CDC work?

you know how I know that you don't?

/you can't simply take a trend line and extend it forever into the future and expect an accurate prediction

Two years is forever? I guess if you believe the rapture is nigh...


The last actual data they had was from 2011, so they were actually projecting out 4 years from the last data point.

But there are other more important faults with their methodology. They only used the last 10 years of data to establish the rates of increase or decline in death rates. They threw 22 years of data away. They assumed the rates of change were linear and just did a simple least squares fit to come up with the rates. Even Excel can do a better job with a few mouse clicks. Finally they completely disregarded the underlying economic conditions that effect the rates. In case you forgot, the economy has been bad and getting worse for the entire period they used to estimate the change in rates of death. Lack of money and increased gas prices reduce the number of miles driven. It wouldn't be very hard to show statistically that people who have lost their jobs, their homes, their savings, or all three are at a significantly higher risk of suicide. Bad economic times also increase crime rates.

I don't doubt that eventually gun deaths will eventually outpace automobile deaths, especially given the automatic collision avoidance systems that are coming, but it isn't going to be in 3 years.
 
2012-12-20 04:12:10 PM  

neversubmit: begun car wars have

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I just received and installed my Existential Blue Crayon Gun, so bring it on.
 
2012-12-20 04:15:13 PM  

kombat_unit: I wonder what those 15,000 annual suiciders will take care of business when they don't have access to guns. A close relative told me she planned on crossing over the center line and head on into a 18 wheeler. She decided not to do it, fortunately.


Personally, If I ever need to end my suffering, my current plan is to eat rib-eye steak and lobster with drawn butter until my heart explodes.
 
2012-12-20 04:29:19 PM  

kombat_unit


I wonder what those 15,000 annual suiciders will take care of business when they don't have access to guns. A close relative told me she planned on crossing over the center line and head on into a 18 wheeler. She decided not to do it, fortunately.


If she changes her mind, tell her to use a big tree in the middle of nowhere. There is no point in ruining the truck driver's life or making people sit in construction traffic 'cause she ran into a bridge.
 
2012-12-20 04:44:00 PM  

Stone Meadow: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: FTFA: "Every day, 85 Americans are shot dead, about 53 of them in suicides."

So are we to assume that of the 53 people that off themselves, some would not find another means if a gun was not available?

Nope...no way. If guns were unavailable people could not kill themselves. That's why in China and Japan, two large countries that strictly prohibit private gun ownership or possession, have suicide rates a fraction of that of the US.

Oh wait...they each off themselves at twice our rate even without access to guns? Unpossible!!!


You know what the advantage of gun suicides is? Unlike the assholes who walk in front of a train, it doesn't interfere with my commute.
 
2012-12-20 04:47:06 PM  

This text is now purple: You know what the advantage of gun suicides is? Unlike the assholes who walk in front of a train, it doesn't interfere with my commute.


They won't flatten your ass as you walk down the sidewalk either.
 
2012-12-20 05:01:05 PM  
No, I don't care about the means of suicide. I care about suicide rates, of course, and the causes of suicide in particular.

And I certainly don't care about gang members killing other gang members. They're scum. They can die in one or more fires for all I care.

What amazes me is the tolerance Statists have for the State's contribution to traffic deaths. It owns the roads, designs them, builds them, sets the rules of their use, and creates the system for their enforcement. As if that weren't enough, it has assumed complete control over the safety features of cars.

If any other person or group had that level of control over premises, the mode of its use and other factors of its design, where 35,000 people were killed every year, people would notice.

If the self-serve drink machines at McDonald's exploded so routinely, for example, killing 100 people per day, people would not react by only and always blaming customers for user error. The group in control of the entire environment would be expected to make changes.

But not the State. Traffic deaths on its roads, in cars it helps design, kill more people in all age groups under age 45.

What gets all the attention? Guns.

A far larger number of first graders died in traffic this month alone than died in Newtown.

Statists do not care about saving lives. It's obvious. If they did, they would devote more time to traffic control instead of gun control, since it poses a far more serious problem.
 
2012-12-20 05:02:26 PM  
A great day for traffic safety.
 
2012-12-20 05:23:40 PM  

This text is now purple: You know what the advantage of gun suicides is? Unlike the assholes who walk in front of a train, it doesn't interfere with my commute.

After due consideration I have rejected gun suicide for myself. If I do it inside the house my braaaaiins will make a gross mess splattering on the wall/ceiling. If I do it outside the dogs will eat what's left of me...ick!
 
2012-12-20 05:32:42 PM  

dittybopper: A good measure to see if safety improvements (airbags, seatbelts, etc.) have caused the down-turn in vehicle related deaths, or if it's the economy causing people to drive less, is to look at the motor vehicle related pedestrian deaths: They won't be effected by car safety improvements, but would be by fewer vehicles on the road.

Low and behold, they've dropped like a rock:
YEAR DEAD RATE
2006: 5,021 1.68
2007: 4,820 1.60
2008: 4,489 1,48
2009: 4,190 1.34
2010: 4,383 1.42

As of 2010, the rate is 15% lower than it was before the recession hit, and it was as low as 20% down off the 2006 peak in 2009.



So what you're saying is, if there is less of something around that can cause deaths, the death toll drops?
Interesting.
 
2012-12-20 05:35:54 PM  
Think of it this way:

Guns are designed to kill. Alcohol is designed for fun. Yet, they rate closely in cause of death.

So, what's REALLY more dangerous? Fun. Must ban fun.
 
2012-12-20 05:38:46 PM  

Phinn: No, I don't care about the means of suicide. I care about suicide rates, of course, and the causes of suicide in particular.

And I certainly don't care about gang members killing other gang members. They're scum. They can die in one or more fires for all I care.

What amazes me is the tolerance Statists have for the State's contribution to traffic deaths. It owns the roads, designs them, builds them, sets the rules of their use, and creates the system for their enforcement. As if that weren't enough, it has assumed complete control over the safety features of cars.

If any other person or group had that level of control over premises, the mode of its use and other factors of its design, where 35,000 people were killed every year, people would notice.

If the self-serve drink machines at McDonald's exploded so routinely, for example, killing 100 people per day, people would not react by only and always blaming customers for user error. The group in control of the entire environment would be expected to make changes.

But not the State. Traffic deaths on its roads, in cars it helps design, kill more people in all age groups under age 45.

What gets all the attention? Guns.

A far larger number of first graders died in traffic this month alone than died in Newtown.

Statists do not care about saving lives. It's obvious. If they did, they would devote more time to traffic control instead of gun control, since it poses a far more serious problem.


Comparing vehicular deaths to gun related deaths is disingenuous. Many people couldn't function without a vehicle. Vehicles are necessary to a large portion of society. I couldn't get to work and be a productive member of society without a car. I do just fine without a gun.
 
2012-12-20 05:42:38 PM  
Is the Unlikely tag on holiday? or drunk on egg-nog?

While we're talking about deaths, how about the 250,000-300,000 deaths per year CAUSED by doctors and hospitals?
 
2012-12-20 05:44:18 PM  

My BRAND!: I couldn't get to work and be a productive member of society without a car.


The fark you can't. People do it all the time. Take the bus or move closer to work. Problem solved. It's funny how people stop caring about the children as soon as they are asked to make a small sacrifice.

Newsflash: saving you a couple of minutes on your commute isn't more important than the lives of children. Deal with it.
 
2012-12-20 05:49:29 PM  

A Shambling Mound: Cars have not yet reached a point that they avoid collisions by themselves


Vehicle Stability Control, Anti-lock brakes, Traction Control, Radar-based active cruise control, and modern all-weather tires  (to name a few) all beg to differ.  They all help cars avoid certain collisions on their own in a matter of speaking.  They turn major collisions into minor ones, and minor ones into near misses.  
 
Sure, many people are distracted, aggressive idiots behind the wheel and we'll have plenty of work for insurance adjusters as long as humans are allowed to retain complete control of the wheel, brake and accelerator, but modern cars do A LOT more for safety than just reduce injuries in crashes.
 
2012-12-20 05:54:36 PM  

dittybopper: A good measure to see if safety improvements (airbags, seatbelts, etc.) have caused the down-turn in vehicle related deaths, or if it's the economy causing people to drive less, is to look at the motor vehicle related pedestrian deaths: They won't be effected by car safety improvements, but would be by fewer vehicles on the road.

Low and behold, they've dropped like a rock:
YEAR DEAD RATE
2006: 5,021 1.68
2007: 4,820 1.60
2008: 4,489 1,48
2009: 4,190 1.34
2010: 4,383 1.42

As of 2010, the rate is 15% lower than it was before the recession hit, and it was as low as 20% down off the 2006 peak in 2009.


The reduction in total miles driven from the peak was 3-4%, so that by itself isn't enough to explain a 20% drop in pedestrian fatalities.  Car safety could still help, though I guess it's hard to know for sure.  Better headlights make it easier to see people at night.  Better brakes and tires make it easier to avoid them.  Backup cameras might make people less likely to back over children their driveway which is probably recorded as a pedestrian death.  Still, those things have only improved incrementally in the last few years.
 
2012-12-20 05:55:24 PM  

umad: My BRAND!: I couldn't get to work and be a productive member of society without a car.

The fark you can't. People do it all the time. Take the bus or move closer to work. Problem solved. It's funny how people stop caring about the children as soon as they are asked to make a small sacrifice.

Newsflash: saving you a couple of minutes on your commute isn't more important than the lives of children. Deal with it.


Are you being intentionally stupid, or are you not aware of how you sound?

Do you think it would be completely feasible for everyone to just move closer to work and/or use mass transit? The sheer volume of people shifting from rural to urban areas would cause catastrophic crowding issues. Or as you would have people use mass transit...oh wait, the vast portion of effective and accessible means of mass transit are located in already population dense areas. You know, cities.

This isn't Sim City. You don't get to build a business and plop down housing next to it. The US is a vast territory, and not everyone can live within walking or biking distance of their place of employment or even to the nearest bus stop.
 
2012-12-20 05:56:29 PM  

dittybopper: hasty ambush: Does the CDC tell us how many of those who will be shot had it coming?

For example:

A female hotel clerk confronted by a known criminal who put a knife to her throat found the courage and the ability to deny his attempted rape-she shot him

No, they don't:

5.1.1b Intent Categories
...
Homicide - injuries inflicted by another person with intent to injure or kill, by any means. Excludes injuries due to legal intervention and operations of war. Justifiable homicide is not identified in WISQARS.


Then what point is the CDC trying to make? As the number of people increasee it only stands to reason that thenumber of them that need killing will also increase.
 
2012-12-20 06:16:07 PM  

My BRAND!: Are you being intentionally stupid, or are you not aware of how you sound?


Sure. Call me names because you can't handle my argument.

Do you think it would be completely feasible for everyone to just move closer to work and/or use mass transit? The sheer volume of people shifting from rural to urban areas would cause catastrophic crowding issues. Or as you would have people use mass transit...oh wait, the vast portion of effective and accessible means of mass transit are located in already population dense areas. You know, cities.

So you're telling me that people are doing the exact thing you claimed they can't? Why shouldn't everybody live closer to mass transit? Is your house in the hills more important than the lives of children? NO. Like I said before, you guys only care when you aren't the ones being inconvenienced. We all need to sacrifice to make the world a better place.

This isn't Sim City. You don't get to build a business and plop down housing next to it. The US is a vast territory, and not everyone can live within walking or biking distance of their place of employment or even to the nearest bus stop.

Citation needed. We solved that problem a long time ago with a little invention you may have heard of. They're called skyscrapers. We can have thousands of people living on a single city block now. You don't need your penis extension murder machine just so you can live in a bigger house by commuting from the suburbs. Driving should be left to the trained professionals like taxi and bus drivers. Our stats make it plainly obvious that the average person can't handle the responsibility required.

But just keep telling yourself that your comfort is more important than the lives of children. People like you are monsters.
 
2012-12-20 06:25:40 PM  

umad: My BRAND!: Are you being intentionally stupid, or are you not aware of how you sound?

Sure. Call me names because you can't handle my argument.

Do you think it would be completely feasible for everyone to just move closer to work and/or use mass transit? The sheer volume of people shifting from rural to urban areas would cause catastrophic crowding issues. Or as you would have people use mass transit...oh wait, the vast portion of effective and accessible means of mass transit are located in already population dense areas. You know, cities.

So you're telling me that people are doing the exact thing you claimed they can't? Why shouldn't everybody live closer to mass transit? Is your house in the hills more important than the lives of children? NO. Like I said before, you guys only care when you aren't the ones being inconvenienced. We all need to sacrifice to make the world a better place.

This isn't Sim City. You don't get to build a business and plop down housing next to it. The US is a vast territory, and not everyone can live within walking or biking distance of their place of employment or even to the nearest bus stop.

Citation needed. We solved that problem a long time ago with a little invention you may have heard of. They're called skyscrapers. We can have thousands of people living on a single city block now. You don't need your penis extension murder machine just so you can live in a bigger house by commuting from the suburbs. Driving should be left to the trained professionals like taxi and bus drivers. Our stats make it plainly obvious that the average person can't handle the responsibility required.

But just keep telling yourself that your comfort is more important than the lives of children. People like you are monsters.


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2012-12-20 06:34:12 PM  

homarjr: What happened in the early 90s vs the late 90s in terms of firearm deaths?


Crack wars petered out due to the fact that most of the particpants (spoiler: not exactly NRA types, but if Obama had a son, etc) were dead or in prison.
 
2012-12-20 06:37:34 PM  

justGreg: Snargi: homarjr: ]

/Not sure how accurate these numbers are, but I think you get the point....

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Those numbers are misleading. Give me the percentage of gun murders BY population of each of those countries.

Finland 0.45
Australia 0.14
England and Wales 0.07
Spain 0.2
Germany 0.19
Canada 0.51
USA 2.97

Does that help?


You can't have a first would nation with a third world population.
 
2012-12-20 06:47:22 PM  
I wonder what effect "cash for clunkers" had on the auto-fatalities going down so drastically in '09.
 
2012-12-20 06:58:46 PM  

impaler: I wonder what effect "cash for clunkers" had on the auto-fatalities going down so drastically in '09.


You mean because its effect on the used car market meant poor people (worse drivers) were less able to afford to drive? Well, maybe.
 
2012-12-20 07:14:41 PM  

impaler: I wonder what effect "cash for clunkers" had on the auto-fatalities going down so drastically in '09.


Nice.
 
2012-12-20 08:03:53 PM  
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mission accomplished
 
2012-12-20 08:04:16 PM  

homarjr: WhoopAssWayne: I wrote all of my congress members this morning, and for the first time, joined the NRA.

Obama must not be permitted to exploit the deaths of these children for his own self-serving, anti-rights agenda.

[bradycenter.org image 740x343]

/Not sure how accurate these numbers are, but I think you get the point....


To be fair the population of those countries is much smaller than America, so taking raw numbers isn't an accurate measure. It's more accurate to look at the murder rates for each country - the number killed per 100,000.

/Although if you do that you still come out as the worst for gun deaths, last I checked
//and the worst for overall murder rate too
 
2012-12-20 08:26:43 PM  

homarjr: WhoopAssWayne: I wrote all of my congress members this morning, and for the first time, joined the NRA.

Obama must not be permitted to exploit the deaths of these children for his own self-serving, anti-rights agenda.





/Not sure how accurate these numbers are, but I think you get the point....


Did all those guns get life in prison or were some able to find good lawyers to defend them?
 
2012-12-20 08:44:26 PM  

My BRAND!: Comparing vehicular deaths to gun related deaths is disingenuous.


The fact that dead is dead makes them comparable.

But more specifically, what I'm comparing (or contrasting, actually) is the POLITICAL REACTION to traffic deaths versus the POLITICAL REACTION to gun deaths.

Statists go to every length imaginable to skew the statistics of gun deaths to make it appear that guns are the Greatest Problem Imaginable. They seize on people's worst moment to blind the public to reason, using dead kids and political bargaining chips. They blather on and on about gun deaths, but conveniently fail to mention that the overwhelming majority of them are either suicides or drug-dealing-gang-scum killing other gang-scum. They ignore the results of every other legislated prohibition in world history, and how it instantly created a black market, and other secondary harmful social effects (like the proliferation of gang-scum murders flowing from drug prohibition). Etc.

Meanwhile, there is a daily bloodbath occurring on the property that is owned and controlled by that very same government, a death toll equivalent to 4 Newtown Massacres per day. The State has control over this area of life, having designed and built the roads, dictated the terms of their use and enforcement methods, and the safety designs of the cars that people buy. This use of the government's property is the No. 1 cause of early death (apart from diseases of aging, poor diet and lack of exercise), and it has been that way for over 50 years, with minimal improvement.

What's disingenuous is the anti-gun Statist political-media machine, which ignores the problem that could be fixed without a loss of Constitutional liberty, which would save far more lives, and instead bleats endlessly about guns, a problem that it is incompetent to solve, and the "solution" for which will make the lives of millions of people worse.
 
2012-12-20 09:30:29 PM  
Libs tend to fairly level headed about most issues; but something about guns make them go absolutely full retard. I voted Dem for the first time in 2012 but if this becomes a major issue for Dems I will switch back to voting straight republican.
 
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2012-12-20 09:36:03 PM  

voltOhm: So the CDC is freaking psychic now? It's not even 2013 yet. The fear Mongers are working overtime on this one. The funny thing is the people spouting this nonsense are the same people that are pro-population control through abortions. Freaking cowardly idiots.


Apparently it's because of all the car control laws we've passed.
 
2012-12-20 09:50:06 PM  

Gdalescrboz: Libs tend to fairly level headed about most issues; but something about guns make them go absolutely full retard. I voted Dem for the first time in 2012 but if this becomes a major issue for Dems I will switch back to voting straight republican.


NRA's money is well spent.
 
A7
2012-12-20 09:58:02 PM  
I call Bullshiat!
1 - Medical mistakes, including Rx drug reactions are the 3rd, 4th or 5th leading cause of death in the US, depending on the study. The CDC should stick to matters it pretends to know about
2 - Latest figures from 2009 show that Deaths and injuries caused by guns rand 16 and 19 respectively.
3 - YOU and I are 8x more likely to be killed by a cop than by a terrorist.

If you want facts rather than propaganda, check out:
http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp
 
2012-12-20 10:16:43 PM  

homarjr: WhoopAssWayne: I wrote all of my congress members this morning, and for the first time, joined the NRA.

Obama must not be permitted to exploit the deaths of these children for his own self-serving, anti-rights agenda.

[bradycenter.org image 740x343]

/Not sure how accurate these numbers are, but I think you get the point....


And in one year 466 people per 100k in the US were victimized by violent crime. While in the UK the number skyrockets to 2,034 per 100k. 

Statistically in the US if you are not a male, young, black, and live in a large city in a neighborhood with a poverty level average income.......you are not in any serious danger of dying from a gunshot. Now obviously there is some level of risk for everyone, but when you compare the actual death statistics to the number of American homes which own guns safely.......

I can make the statement that a firearm is one of the safest things you can own if you are not a young black man in a poor neighborhood of a large city.

If you throw in gun laws in large cities and redo the numbers you can start to make statements like a firearm is the safest tool you can legally own.

Im not trying to throw a race bomb here, but I think the emphasis on the gun as the problem is leaving our at risk populations without adequate investigation into the real causes of those deaths.

Its just too easy to blame the gun when poverty and de-socialization are the real problems that drive young men to the criminal behavior that leads to gun deaths. 

Also, FARK, PLEASE FIX THE GODDAMN RIGHT CLICK TO SPELL CHECK PROBLEM IN THIS TEXT WINDOW! I dont want to paste, I want to spell check!
 
2012-12-20 10:24:39 PM  

Holocaust Agnostic: Cars becoming radically safer isn't sad subby.


This. Easier to make cars safer than to make a heavily armed population less violent, but both are happening.

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2012-12-20 10:41:53 PM  


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2012-12-20 09:50:06 PM
Gdalescrboz: Libs tend to fairly level headed about most issues; but something about guns make them go absolutely full retard. I voted Dem for the first time in 2012 but if this becomes a major issue for Dems I will switch back to voting straight republican.

NRA's money is well spent.


Oh i see. People can vote on personal issues like abortion to gay rights; but if vote on an issues that directly affects every American negatively, I'm the bad guy. fark you schmuck
 
2012-12-20 10:55:06 PM  

Gdalescrboz: Libs tend to fairly level headed about most issues; but something about guns make them go absolutely full retard. I voted Dem for the first time in 2012 but if this becomes a major issue for Dems I will switch back to voting straight republican.


As a liberal I'm entirely fine with trading universal health insurance for a small increase in gun deaths. Seriously, 40% lifetime chance of cancer, vs less than a tenth of a percent being shot to death.

\You get behind me, I'll get behind you.
 
2012-12-20 11:01:16 PM  

gibbon1: Gdalescrboz: Libs tend to fairly level headed about most issues; but something about guns make them go absolutely full retard. I voted Dem for the first time in 2012 but if this becomes a major issue for Dems I will switch back to voting straight republican.

As a liberal I'm entirely fine with trading universal health insurance for a small increase in gun deaths. Seriously, 40% lifetime chance of cancer, vs less than a tenth of a percent being shot to death.

\You get behind me, I'll get behind you.


Where's all this money coming from?
 
2012-12-20 11:05:12 PM  
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2012-12-20 10:55:06 PM
Gdalescrboz: Libs tend to fairly level headed about most issues; but something about guns make them go absolutely full retard. I voted Dem for the first time in 2012 but if this becomes a major issue for Dems I will switch back to voting straight republican.

As a liberal I'm entirely fine with trading universal health insurance for a small increase in gun deaths. Seriously, 40% lifetime chance of cancer, vs less than a tenth of a percent being shot to death.

\You get behind me, I'll get behind you.


I'm all about healthcare. Where is this increase in gun deaths. They have declining for over a decade now. Unless you mean universal healthcare will cause more people to die from gun injuries, which is probably accurate
 
2012-12-20 11:40:02 PM  
According to the CDC???

So gunshots and car accidents are now  "diseases"?

/The more you know...
 
2012-12-21 12:30:21 AM  
just gonna leave this here.

Reality Check: Are calls for stricter gun laws really about guns

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cf0MO55kMsI
 
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