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2012-12-20 01:22:19 PM

DeathByGeekSquad: Charlie Chingas: We can prevent this by banning guns. There. Problem solved. You're welcome.

And fertilizer.
And accelerants.
And projectiles.
And blunt objects.
Any piercing objects.

There are always weapons.

At least with a gun you have a chance to stop/overwhelm the shooter, can't say the same for someone with a bomb.


And for the 99.5% of the American population who will NOT have a gun, they should be taught that they should consider themselves already dead and that when confronted they should seek to do as much harm to that person as possible. Mass shootings end when the shooter is confronted by people who realize there are more of them than the shooter, and use anything they can to do very bad things to the guy with the gun.
 
2012-12-20 01:22:26 PM

justGreg: bacongood: Earguy: To be fair, this is also a reflection of the trend to safer cars as the older unsafe ones age off the roads. Cars are getting safer to the point that "insurance adjuster" is a job that is in decline.

To be fair, this is about 99% safer car and 1% guns.

Somebody could probably make an argument that the "99% safer cars" thing is related to governmental intrusion, with things like safety requirements, mandatory licensing based on driver training, and so forth. They might even suggest that some of the same sort of actions could be taken regarding guns and it might produce an analogous result.


Historically restrictions on gun ownership in the US have done little to curb violence. In no small part because the vast majority of gun deaths are either with illegally owned guns or suicides
 
2012-12-20 01:23:07 PM

homarjr: /Not sure how accurate these numbers are, but I think you get the point....


That guns murder?
 
2012-12-20 01:23:41 PM

BEER_ME_in_CT: 200 IN CANADA?? They must all be hunting accidents right?


Mostly Nova Scotian separatists. Those boys are hard-core.
 
2012-12-20 01:23:57 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: FTFA: "Every day, 85 Americans are shot dead, about 53 of them in suicides."
 
So are we to assume that of the 53 people that off themselves, some would not find another means if a gun was not available?


No, we are to assume that 32 people are lousy shots at close range...
 
2012-12-20 01:24:10 PM

homarjr: WhoopAssWayne: I wrote all of my congress members this morning, and for the first time, joined the NRA.

Obama must not be permitted to exploit the deaths of these children for his own self-serving, anti-rights agenda.

[bradycenter.org image 740x343]

/Not sure how accurate these numbers are, but I think you get the point....


Notice how the South American countries aren't listed? Central American countries aren't listed? We're in the cartel drug corridor.
 
2012-12-20 01:25:02 PM

homarjr: WhoopAssWayne: I wrote all of my congress members this morning, and for the first time, joined the NRA.

Obama must not be permitted to exploit the deaths of these children for his own self-serving, anti-rights agenda.

[bradycenter.org image 740x343]

/Not sure how accurate these numbers are, but I think you get the point....


Guns don't kill people. People kill guns. From outlaws.
 
2012-12-20 01:25:02 PM

dittybopper: Actually, a more *HONEST* metric would be to compare accidental vehicle deaths with accidental firearms deaths.

Also, it's not the CDC saying it: It's Bloomberg Government, using CDC data. Bloomberg Government is at least partly controlled by Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who is one of the biggest anti-gun personalities out there.

I'd trust their manipulation of the data about as far as I'd trust Mayor Mike with my gun collection.

For those on the other side, this is about as credible as you would trust the NRA with CDC data.


It even says in the chart that the chart is based on CDC data that was completed by Bloomberg.,

Was the CDCs data not complete? How could that be?

Is that the same Bolomberg who said noone is complaining about the soft drink restrictions?....Baghdad Bob Bloomberg.
 
2012-12-20 01:25:03 PM

homarjr: WhoopAssWayne: I wrote all of my congress members this morning, and for the first time, joined the NRA.

 
Obama must not be permitted to exploit the deaths of these children for his own self-serving, anti-rights agenda.

[bradycenter.org image 740x343]

 
/Not sure how accurate these numbers are, but I think you get the point....
 
That this is a useless chart that does not take into account population size?
 
2012-12-20 01:25:14 PM
Death by firearms isn't even in the top 15 causes of death in this country. The data that backs this up is in this document from the CDC.

Deaths: Preliminary Data for 2011

The 15 leading causes of death in 2011 (Table B) were as follows:
1 Diseases of heart
2 Malignant neoplasms
3 Chronic lower respiratory diseases
4 Cerebrovascular diseases
5 Accidents (unintentional injuries)
6 Alzheimer's disease
7 Diabetes mellitus
8 Influenza and pneumonia
9Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis
10 Intentional self-harm (suicide)
11 Septicemia
12 Chronic liver disease and cirrhosis
13 Essential hypertension and hypertensive renal disease
14 Parkinson's disease
15 Pneumonitis due to solids and liquids

From another site I see that, with #10 suicide, it is estimated that 50% of suicides is by gun. I'm OK with that as long as they kill themselves before moving on to innocent victims.
 
2012-12-20 01:25:26 PM
This is really hard to believe given that Asians are the fastest growing race in the nation right now. All those Asian females added to the population I would expect the car deaths to outpace the gun deaths. But that might be offset by all the dying members of the "greatest generation" who will no longer be insisting they can still drive and be independent even if they have 8 pairs of glasses and big button TV remotes. But then I guess you have to look at the fact that cars are getting safer and safer every year, so all those deaths caused by DWA are going to come down quite a bit. Perhaps this has more to do with the fact that there are no "safe" guns, so the course becomes clear: make cars less safe and increase the speed limit. Have a few beers, get behind the wheel and do your part to make that gun number seem low and protect the Constitution.
 
2012-12-20 01:25:46 PM

computerguyUT: Lets see....population increasing = number of deaths increasing


That is true. They should be using death rates.
 
Their '10 year average' for extrapolation is arbitrary as well. If they used a '4 year average, they could predict the end to all auto-related fatalities in just 14 years.
 
2012-12-20 01:26:15 PM

Snargi: Death by firearms isn't even in the top 15 causes of death in this country. The data that backs this up is in this document from the CDC.


Trauma - like GSWs that are not intentionally self-inflicted - falls under the category of Accidents (Unintentional Injuries)
 
2012-12-20 01:26:53 PM

homarjr: WhoopAssWayne: I wrote all of my congress members this morning, and for the first time, joined the NRA.

Obama must not be permitted to exploit the deaths of these children for his own self-serving, anti-rights agenda.

[bradycenter.org image 740x343]

/Not sure how accurate these numbers are, but I think you get the point....

.
In the UK violent crime is through the roof, four hundred precent higher than the US. In the US we have a bunch of dead would be criminals and Obama wants to change that. Link Thanks for posting.
 
2012-12-20 01:28:32 PM

RembrandtQEinstein: Show me the relevant stats.

Exclude the people who are involved in the drug trade.
Exclude suicides.
Exclude domestic violence incidents where one of the participants has either a violent criminal record or the police have been previously called to the residence more than once.

This statistic is as bullshiat as the "drunk" driving statistic where they count the incident as "alcohol related" if a sober driver hits a drunk pedestrian or if the diver is sober but the passenger is intoxicated.


I don't have it broken down to the level you want for the nation but here are some national numbers in greater detail:

pdf: Link

xls Link

Those would be the homicides only.
 
2012-12-20 01:30:34 PM

voltOhm: So the CDC is freaking psychic now? It's not even 2013 yet. The fear Mongers are working overtime on this one. The funny thing is the people spouting this nonsense are the same people that are pro-population control through abortions. Freaking cowardly idiots.


I wanted to say something snarky like "Math Republicans do to make themselves feel better", but I can't make it fit.

Can you set me up with a better straight line next time?
 
2012-12-20 01:32:18 PM

BronyMedic: DeathByGeekSquad: Charlie Chingas: We can prevent this by banning guns. There. Problem solved. You're welcome.

And fertilizer.
And accelerants.
And projectiles.
And blunt objects.
Any piercing objects.

There are always weapons.

At least with a gun you have a chance to stop/overwhelm the shooter, can't say the same for someone with a bomb.

And for the 99.5% of the American population who will NOT have a gun, they should be taught that they should consider themselves already dead and that when confronted they should seek to do as much harm to that person as possible. Mass shootings end when the shooter is confronted by people who realize there are more of them than the shooter, and use anything they can to do very bad things to the guy with the gun.


Ever consider what it would like to be in your line of work if schools no longer become the hot target? Cause an accident, wait for the emergency crews to swarm the site, detonate. The public horror of the individuals society pushes up on hero pedestals being picked off as they do their sworn duty.

You can almost hear the media salivating at the thought of the ratings bump, as they prepare news segments providing clear timelines on how to replicate the process for future homegrown bombers.

/legal guns aren't the problem
//just as video games aren't the problem
 
2012-12-20 01:32:45 PM
I bet it would look different if you broke it down by ethnicity. I suspect the hip-hop gun culture has played a role in much of the gun violence.
 
2012-12-20 01:33:42 PM

homarjr: WhoopAssWayne: I wrote all of my congress members this morning, and for the first time, joined the NRA.

Obama must not be permitted to exploit the deaths of these children for his own self-serving, anti-rights agenda.

[bradycenter.org image 740x343]

/Not sure how accurate these numbers are, but I think you get the point....


9484 guns were murdered in one year? Won't somebody think of the guns?
 
2012-12-20 01:35:06 PM
We can fix this.  We just need a national campaign to encourage text messaging on the road.
 
2012-12-20 01:35:16 PM
According to Wiki the US has on of the lowest per capita homicide rates on the planet Link

And according to Harvard gun control is counter productive Link

And the Vatican is the most dangerous country on the planet Link

If only there were an ignore button for obvious facts.
 
2012-12-20 01:36:47 PM
FTFA:

Every day, 85 Americans are shot dead, about 53 of them in suicides. This figure is still lower than 1993's peak in gun deaths (37,666), but has risen significantly since firearm deaths reached a low in 2000 (28,393). The data goes back to 1979.

Read more: http://politics.kfyi.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed =104668&article=10651348#ixzz2FcPSyGMg


So, basically, of the 85 people shot dead, 53 of them are suffering from mental issues that could be solved by seeking help from a licensed healthcare professional, maybe as some sort of program to increase the viability and availability of mental health care, cutting the number of deaths in half?
 
2012-12-20 01:37:12 PM

kieran57: RembrandtQEinstein: Show me the relevant stats.

Exclude the people who are involved in the drug trade.
Exclude suicides.
Exclude domestic violence incidents where one of the participants has either a violent criminal record or the police have been previously called to the residence more than once.

This statistic is as bullshiat as the "drunk" driving statistic where they count the incident as "alcohol related" if a sober driver hits a drunk pedestrian or if the diver is sober but the passenger is intoxicated.

Ok, so drug related violence and sucide are no longer crimes in this country? We aren't trying to reduce them anymore and we just get to ignore them? Awesome. Now that we all live in a crime free utopia, I guess you don't need that gun for self-defense anymore.


I think it's more that the drug trade people will get firearms even if you ban them; suicide folks will find another way to kill themselves; and in historic domestic violence incidents, a violent criminal history should lead to barring the person from obtaining a firearm.

Dropping the suicide stat makes sense (and is well over half of all gun deaths). The violent criminal history thing represents presumably preventable gun deaths--if these people aren't career criminals who can and will get guns if you take theirs away. Drug trade is a valid statistic, but it's not one we can affect. What's left is the unknown--the things we need to do something about or simply can't help, but we don't know which way they go.

Also some folks want to make drugs legal, thus decriminalizing the drug trade and making criminals with guns go find a new type of crime that's less visible and requires less security. Get them out of the general public so there's less murder from these people by taking away their incentive to murder.
 
2012-12-20 01:37:35 PM
www.ibiblio.org

What about car purposes?

Also, if I recall there was an article in the last few weeks here that stated less young people are getting a car or even a driver's license. So it would make sense to project less drivers and therefore less accidents. Especially since that age group tends to be higher risk for accidents.
 
2012-12-20 01:38:04 PM

BronyMedic:

Trauma - like GSWs that are not intentionally self-inflicted - falls under the category of Accidents (Unintentional Injuries)


Shouldn't that include car accidents?
 
2012-12-20 01:38:17 PM

DeathByGeekSquad: BronyMedic: DeathByGeekSquad: Charlie Chingas: We can prevent this by banning guns. There. Problem solved. You're welcome.

And fertilizer.
And accelerants.
And projectiles.
And blunt objects.
Any piercing objects.

There are always weapons.

At least with a gun you have a chance to stop/overwhelm the shooter, can't say the same for someone with a bomb.

And for the 99.5% of the American population who will NOT have a gun, they should be taught that they should consider themselves already dead and that when confronted they should seek to do as much harm to that person as possible. Mass shootings end when the shooter is confronted by people who realize there are more of them than the shooter, and use anything they can to do very bad things to the guy with the gun.

Ever consider what it would like to be in your line of work if schools no longer become the hot target? Cause an accident, wait for the emergency crews to swarm the site, detonate. The public horror of the individuals society pushes up on hero pedestals being picked off as they do their sworn duty.

You can almost hear the media salivating at the thought of the ratings bump, as they prepare news segments providing clear timelines on how to replicate the process for future homegrown bombers.

/legal guns aren't the problem
//just as video games aren't the problem


So, illegal guns are responsible for the latest gun tragedies?
 
2012-12-20 01:40:06 PM

david_gaithersburg: homarjr: WhoopAssWayne: I wrote all of my congress members this morning, and for the first time, joined the NRA.

Obama must not be permitted to exploit the deaths of these children for his own self-serving, anti-rights agenda.

[bradycenter.org image 740x343]

/Not sure how accurate these numbers are, but I think you get the point....
.
In the UK violent crime is through the roof, four hundred precent higher than the US. In the US we have a bunch of dead would be criminals and Obama wants to change that. Link Thanks for posting.


Well at least our murder rate is 4 times higher.
 
2012-12-20 01:41:34 PM

david_gaithersburg: According to Wiki the US has on of the lowest per capita homicide rates on the planet Link


That's not what it says at all.  Are you illiterate or just Fark's least competent troll?
 
2012-12-20 01:44:16 PM

impaler: According to the CDC, in 2015 more 32,000 people will die from gunshot wounds than car accidents in the US for the first time ever

FTFY

According to Bloomberg, this is less than gun fatalities.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-19/american-gun-deaths-to-exce ed -traffic-fatalities-by-2015.html

[www.bloomberg.com image 620x413]


based on FBI data (http://www.ucrdatatool.gov/Search/Crime/State/TrendsInOneVar.cfm) the murder rate has been steadily decreasing since 1994, and kept decreasing even after the "assault" weapons ban expired, so if the increase in the CDC table is correct I would assume the difference is increased suicides (which seems to be the case, see http://www.afsp.org/index.cfm?page_id=04ea1254-bd31-1fa3-c549d77e6ca6a a37)

the highest suicide rates are among older people, and as the population ages i would assume that the gunshot suicide deaths would increase as well, more than offsetting the long term decrease in murder rates

note that switzerland, for example, has similar gun ownership levels as the US but a much lower murder rate, so there are other factors in play

what i find surprising, and maybe a little odd, is the sudden decrease in car deaths: it looks like something got changed in the definition perhaps
 
2012-12-20 01:45:49 PM

Charlie Chingas: DeathByGeekSquad: BronyMedic: DeathByGeekSquad: Charlie Chingas: We can prevent this by banning guns. There. Problem solved. You're welcome.

And fertilizer.
And accelerants.
And projectiles.
And blunt objects.
Any piercing objects.

There are always weapons.

At least with a gun you have a chance to stop/overwhelm the shooter, can't say the same for someone with a bomb.

And for the 99.5% of the American population who will NOT have a gun, they should be taught that they should consider themselves already dead and that when confronted they should seek to do as much harm to that person as possible. Mass shootings end when the shooter is confronted by people who realize there are more of them than the shooter, and use anything they can to do very bad things to the guy with the gun.

Ever consider what it would like to be in your line of work if schools no longer become the hot target? Cause an accident, wait for the emergency crews to swarm the site, detonate. The public horror of the individuals society pushes up on hero pedestals being picked off as they do their sworn duty.

You can almost hear the media salivating at the thought of the ratings bump, as they prepare news segments providing clear timelines on how to replicate the process for future homegrown bombers.

/legal guns aren't the problem
//just as video games aren't the problem

So, illegal guns are responsible for the latest gun tragedies?


Guns obtained illegally by the shooter, yeah.
 
2012-12-20 01:45:51 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: homarjr: WhoopAssWayne: I wrote all of my congress members this morning, and for the first time, joined the NRA.

Obama must not be permitted to exploit the deaths of these children for his own self-serving, anti-rights agenda.

[bradycenter.org image 740x343]

/Not sure how accurate these numbers are, but I think you get the point....

That this is a useless chart that does not take into account population size?


Even if you take care of population size, there is a drop:

YEAR GUND GUNR CARD CARR
2000 28663 10.19 43604 15.49
2001 29537 10.38 43987 15.44
2002 30242 10.51 45579 15.85
2003 30136 10.29 44929 15.49
2004 29568 10.10 45113 15.41
2005 30694 10.39 45520 15.4
2006 30896 10.35 45509 15.25
2007 31224 10.37 44128 14.65
2008 31593 10.39 39973 13.14
2009 31347 10.22 36399 11.87
2010 31672 10.26 35498 11.5

GUND = Gun Deaths
GUNR = Gun Death Rate per 100,000
CARD = Car Deaths
CARR = Car Death Rate per 100,000.

See how the car death rate drops like a rock right around 2007? Fewer people were driving because they lost their cars:
U.S. Car Fleet Shrinks by Four Million in 2009

The only way that trend of car deaths going below gun deaths is possible is if the economy continues to tank. If we have the recovery we all hope for, more people will be on the roads in more cars, and they will bounce back up.
 
2012-12-20 01:45:57 PM
In 1863, more people died from car accidents than gunshot wounds?
 
2012-12-20 01:46:15 PM
Ever is a long time there subs.
How about the years before automobiles?
 
2012-12-20 01:46:30 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: homarjr: WhoopAssWayne: I wrote all of my congress members this morning, and for the first time, joined the NRA.

Obama must not be permitted to exploit the deaths of these children for his own self-serving, anti-rights agenda.

[bradycenter.org image 740x343]

/Not sure how accurate these numbers are, but I think you get the point....

That this is a useless chart that does not take into account population size?


Even per capita the numbers are astoundingly not in our favor.

List of countries by firearm-related death rate
 
2012-12-20 01:47:07 PM

halfof33: I do seem to recall that there was a huge pile up on the I-6 just about the same time that the Battle of Antietam was going on.


Thread is over!
 
2012-12-20 01:48:26 PM

you have pee hands: david_gaithersburg: According to Wiki the US has on of the lowest per capita homicide rates on the planet Link

That's not what it says at all.  Are you illiterate or just Fark's least competent troll?


Did you read it? 4.1 per 100,000 is pretty farking low, lower than many place in your glorious EU.
 
2012-12-20 01:49:16 PM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Earguy: To be fair, this is also a reflection of the trend to safer cars as the older unsafe ones age off the roads. Cars are getting safer to the point that "insurance adjuster" is a job that is in decline.

Also, the end of insanely cheap gasoline has made people drive a little less often, and a little more passively.


Your comment in conjunction with your name lends itself to irony.
 
2012-12-20 01:50:18 PM

bim1154: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Earguy: To be fair, this is also a reflection of the trend to safer cars as the older unsafe ones age off the roads. Cars are getting safer to the point that "insurance adjuster" is a job that is in decline.

Also, the end of insanely cheap gasoline has made people drive a little less often, and a little more passively.

This and this ^


Only rich and powerful people should be able to drive whenever they want. Us plebs should know and accept our lowly position in life.

Ban car bullying!
 
2012-12-20 01:51:41 PM

Voiceofreason01: Magorn:
Know how I know you don't know how extrapolation, trend lines, math, and the CDC work?

you know how I know that you don't?

/you can't simply take a trend line and extend it forever into the future and expect an accurate prediction


imgs.xkcd.com

Oblig.
 
2012-12-20 01:52:11 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Rational person: good news, we've implemented safety design standards in cars such that people aren't getting killed in car accidents as much!

Person with a political agenda: Guns is killing more people than cars! Wharnargle


Thread over.
 
2012-12-20 01:52:13 PM

david_gaithersburg: you have pee hands: david_gaithersburg: According to Wiki the US has on of the lowest per capita homicide rates on the planet Link

That's not what it says at all.  Are you illiterate or just Fark's least competent troll?

Did you read it? 4.1 per 100,000 is pretty farking low, lower than many place in your glorious EU.


Europe as a whole has a homicide rate of 3.5 per 100,000. We're not that far off that number, despite having more civilian guns per capita than any other nation in the World.
 
2012-12-20 01:52:52 PM

david_gaithersburg: According to Wiki the US has on of the lowest per capita homicide rates on the planet Link
.


LOL wut? Compared to some starving sub-Saharan African countries maybe. Not compared to the countries that we should be compared to:

Japan 0.3
Germany 0.8
Italy 0.9
UK 1.2
Canada 1.6
USA 4.2

There are 97 countries on that list with a lower homicide rate, including Iraq, Israel, and Afghanistan. We have a homicide problem, and your link verifies it.

/USA - We're number 98!
 
2012-12-20 01:54:56 PM

dittybopper: See how the car death rate drops like a rock right around 2007? Fewer people were driving because they lost their cars:

U.S. Car Fleet Shrinks by Four Million in 2009

The only way that trend of car deaths going below gun deaths is possible is if the economy continues to tank. If we have the recovery we all hope for, more people will be on the roads in more cars, and they will bounce back up.



The auto death rate has dropped a lot faster than the number of miles driven.  Cars and roads keep getting safer; the effect of a bullet on a person is pretty much static.
 
2012-12-20 01:55:12 PM

Charlie Chingas: We can prevent this by banning guns. There. Problem solved. You're welcome.

 
Fortunately the criminal types are such law abidding citizens who will happily turn in their illegal weapons when the ban takes affect.  You're a farking genius!
 
2012-12-20 01:55:25 PM

justGreg: david_gaithersburg: According to Wiki the US has on of the lowest per capita homicide rates on the planet Link
.

LOL wut? Compared to some starving sub-Saharan African countries maybe. Not compared to the countries that we should be compared to:

Japan 0.3
Germany 0.8
Italy 0.9
UK 1.2
Canada 1.6
USA 4.2

There are 97 countries on that list with a lower homicide rate, including Iraq, Israel, and Afghanistan. We have a homicide problem, and your link verifies it.

/USA - We're number 98!


The deadliest place on earth is actually on our border.
 
2012-12-20 01:58:58 PM

justGreg: david_gaithersburg: According to Wiki the US has on of the lowest per capita homicide rates on the planet Link
.

LOL wut? Compared to some starving sub-Saharan African countries maybe. Not compared to the countries that we should be compared to:

Japan 0.3
Germany 0.8
Italy 0.9
UK 1.2
Canada 1.6
USA 4.2

There are 97 countries on that list with a lower homicide rate, including Iraq, Israel, and Afghanistan. We have a homicide problem, and your link verifies it.

/USA - We're number 98!


There are 106 on that list with a higher rate than the US. But they don't count much because they don't fit your criteria, right? It seems to me that the world has a homicide problem, not just the US.
 
2012-12-20 02:00:28 PM

you have pee hands: Cars and roads keep getting safer; the effect of a bullet on a person is pretty much static.


The effect of a specific kind of bullet on a person is static. Our bullets have changed a lot, though - from powdered musket balls to 7.62 FMJ and beyond - and each type has a slightly different effect. To say nothing of hollow points, composition of the round(/jacket), the type of powder used and how much, the weight/shape of the round...
 
// I'm sure you knew all that, just pointing it out
// just as a Model T, driven today on a dirt road, is just as safe as it was in the 1920s
 
2012-12-20 02:00:45 PM

My BRAND!: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Earguy: To be fair, this is also a reflection of the trend to safer cars as the older unsafe ones age off the roads. Cars are getting safer to the point that "insurance adjuster" is a job that is in decline.

Also, the end of insanely cheap gasoline has made people drive a little less often, and a little more passively.

Your comment in conjunction with your name lends itself to irony.


He's actually correct: The gun death *RATE* in the US has stayed pretty stable over the last decade, at around 10.3 per 100,000. The raw numbers crept higher, because we've added millions of people in population. That's why we use rates instead of raw numbers.

The car death rate stayed pretty even also at an average of about 15.5, until the economy started tanking in 2007. Fewer cars on the road, because fewer people were driving to work, and fewer people *OWNED* cars, resulted in a major drop in the rate.

I posted the raw numbers and rates in a previous post, and I got them directly from the CDC WISQARS page.
 
2012-12-20 02:00:51 PM

david_gaithersburg: Did you read it? 4.1 per 100,000 is pretty farking low, lower than many place in your glorious EU.


In Europe, it's lower than a bunch of former Soviet Bloc countries and ... Greenland.
 
I'm not sure why you'd bother to lie about the contents of a wiki article.  We're hooked up to the same internet.  I'm looking at the same numbers you're looking at.
 
2012-12-20 02:02:21 PM

voltOhm: So the CDC is freaking psychic now? It's not even 2013 yet. The fear Mongers are working overtime on this one. The funny thing is the people spouting this nonsense are the same people that are pro-population control through abortions. Freaking cowardly idiots.


Now that's how you troll.

We've got it all here folks. Random capitalization, ad hominem attacks, pants on the head stupidity, and the turd is deposited right out of the gate.
 
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