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(KFYI)   According to the CDC, in 2015 more people will die from gunshot wounds than car accidents in the US for the first time ever   (politics.kfyi.com) divider line 261
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2012-12-20 01:07:55 PM  
A third of the 156 mass killings did not involve firearms, but rather fire, knife or other weapon

People don't think enough about the children....I thought 1 death was too many?

.
 
2012-12-20 01:08:27 PM  

Earguy: To be fair, this is also a reflection of the trend to safer cars as the older unsafe ones age off the roads. Cars are getting safer to the point that "insurance adjuster" is a job that is in decline.


To be fair, this is about 99% safer car and 1% guns.
 
2012-12-20 01:08:29 PM  
At the risk of sounding pedantic, I'd like to point out that more people died of gunshot wounds than car accidents in every year between the invention of the gun and the invention of the automobile. And probably for a number of years after the invention of the automobile.
 
2012-12-20 01:08:59 PM  
I don't listen to projections anymore, they're wrong far too often. Ever since I got screwed by Disco Stu and his fancy chart. I'm not sure I'll ever be able to trust again.
 
2012-12-20 01:09:07 PM  

Phinn:  being driven on the same sh*tty road system.

 
As someone who just drove to work after the first snow of the year, I blame the quality of drivers and driver training more than the roads
 
/the rest of your point it pretty much spot on
 
2012-12-20 01:09:21 PM  

EngineerAU: Obama has a time machine. He used it to take Van Diesel's son back to the Civil War

 
Who's Van Diesel?
 
2012-12-20 01:09:30 PM  
Until we legalize eutanasia just let the people in pain have access to guns because when they try to kill themselves other ways...they only maim or cripple themselves.

Have some compassion.
 
2012-12-20 01:09:51 PM  
And to think, we've never proposed banning cars before this year!!
 
2012-12-20 01:10:45 PM  
I wonder how many of those deaths will occur in places like Chicago--which has over 500 murders in 2012 along with some of the harshest gun-control laws in the country.
 
2012-12-20 01:10:48 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: voltOhm: So the CDC is freaking psychic now? It's not even 2013 yet. The fear Mongers are working overtime on this one. The funny thing is the people spouting this nonsense are the same people that are pro-population control through abortions. Freaking cowardly idiots.


Yes, yes, Obama is coming for your surrogate penises, now settle down.


Markley's law violation.
 
2012-12-20 01:10:50 PM  
I wrote all of my congress members this morning, and for the first time, joined the NRA.

Obama must not be permitted to exploit the deaths of these children for his own self-serving, anti-rights agenda.

And unfortunately liberals, it looks like after they try their hatchet job on the 2nd Amendment, the 1st Amendment is next in line, at least in terms of "violent" video games. Your fellow democrats are already beating that drum:

Video Games Targeted By Senate In Wake Of Sandy Hook Shooting - HuffPo
 
2012-12-20 01:11:23 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Magorn:
Know how I know you don't know how extrapolation, trend lines, math, and the CDC work?

you know how I know that you don't?

/you can't simply take a trend line and extend it forever into the future and expect an accurate prediction


Two years is forever? I guess if you believe the rapture is nigh...
 
2012-12-20 01:11:42 PM  
If you go back 50 and 100 years and look at what the leading causes of death were you will admit that things have improved. I am also willing to bet that the percentage of people that die in auto accidents and from gunshot wounds is a pretty small percentage of deaths as a whole.You can play all kinds of games with the numbers when they represent a small portion of the population.
 
2012-12-20 01:12:38 PM  

Dimensio: impaler: According to the CDC, in 2015 more 32,000 people will die from gunshot wounds than car accidents in the US for the first time ever

FTFY

According to Bloomberg, this is less than gun fatalities.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-19/american-gun-deaths-to-exce ed -traffic-fatalities-by-2015.html

[www.bloomberg.com image 620x413]

Given falling rates of homicide and unintended fatal firearm injuries, the obvious solution is attempting to prevent suicide.

Alternatively, the nation could ban assault weapons and not avert the problem at all.


Is it our right to prevent suicide? Is being alive a prison now?
 
2012-12-20 01:12:54 PM  
Cars+safer=politicals
 
2012-12-20 01:13:08 PM  

Lev_Astov: Insatiable Jesus: voltOhm: So the CDC is freaking psychic now? It's not even 2013 yet. The fear Mongers are working overtime on this one. The funny thing is the people spouting this nonsense are the same people that are pro-population control through abortions. Freaking cowardly idiots.


Yes, yes, Obama is coming for your surrogate penises, now settle down.

He can have my Porsche when he pries the wheel from my cold, dead hands!


img353.imageshack.us
 
2012-12-20 01:13:11 PM  
Why doesn't the link go to the original article in Bloomberg? Why some AM talk radio website?
Why? Why?
 
2012-12-20 01:13:15 PM  

impaler: According to the CDC, in 2015 more 32,000 people will die from gunshot wounds than car accidents in the US for the first time ever

FTFY

According to Bloomberg, this is less than gun fatalities.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-19/american-gun-deaths-to-exce ed -traffic-fatalities-by-2015.html

[www.bloomberg.com image 620x413]


What happened in the early 90s vs the late 90s in terms of firearm deaths? Seems like a big drop relatively speaking. Did Clinton have something to do with it?
 
2012-12-20 01:13:46 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: EngineerAU: Obama has a time machine. He used it to take Van Diesel's son back to the Civil War

Who's Van Diesel?


Count Von Diesel's grandson.

/He invented the grocery store. It's true. Study it out.
 
2012-12-20 01:13:49 PM  
according to my fb friends who post the same picture, all we need to is Israel something something.
 
2012-12-20 01:13:59 PM  
Bllomberg + Obama Administration = Pure Bullshiat
 
2012-12-20 01:14:02 PM  

RembrandtQEinstein: Show me the relevant stats.

Exclude the people who are involved in the drug trade.
Exclude suicides.
Exclude domestic violence incidents where one of the participants has either a violent criminal record or the police have been previously called to the residence more than once.


And on the other side.
Exclude pedestrians who are fatally hit by cars but not in cars themselves
Exclude car accidents where weather is a factor
Exclude buses and trucks

And whatever else you have to exclude to make it look like I'm right.
 
2012-12-20 01:14:58 PM  

bacongood: Earguy: To be fair, this is also a reflection of the trend to safer cars as the older unsafe ones age off the roads. Cars are getting safer to the point that "insurance adjuster" is a job that is in decline.

To be fair, this is about 99% safer car and 1% guns.


Somebody could probably make an argument that the "99% safer cars" thing is related to governmental intrusion, with things like safety requirements, mandatory licensing based on driver training, and so forth. They might even suggest that some of the same sort of actions could be taken regarding guns and it might produce an analogous result.
 
2012-12-20 01:15:01 PM  

A Shambling Mound: Earguy: To be fair, this is also a reflection of the trend to safer cars as the older unsafe ones age off the roads. Cars are getting safer to the point that "insurance adjuster" is a job that is in decline.

Cars have not yet reached a point that they avoid collisions by themselves. I'm related to an adjuster and believe me, there is no shortage of work. People wreck their cars only ever so slightly less often than before, it's just that they are much more likely to live through it these days.


I said that because I read an article about certain jobs in decline, and insurance adjuster was on the list. It was on Yahoo news, so it must be true.
 
2012-12-20 01:15:51 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: So are we to assume that of the 53 people that off themselves, some would not find another means if a gun was not available?


Other methods are less effective and less portable. Firearm use is a big reason why men have a much greater "success" rate at suicide than women do. That being said, we had a student at my command in the military that decided a 12-gauge blast to the chest was the way to go. He didn't die. That was a surprise to all involved, no doubt.

When it comes down to it, cars are becoming (as they have since the 60s especially) measurably safer. We've mastered crash survivability and now have moved into avoidance. ESC, traction control, and some advanced cruise controls actively work to prevent accidents. Cars are even far safer now for pedestrians that are struck; that is the reason that all new cars have that more blob-like front end and higher belt-lines.

Guns on the other hand are becoming more lethal. Better optics, better ergonomics, though I can't speak to mechanical reliability. There are a ton of garbage-quality firearms available. Auto deaths are decreasing deliberately, mostly because the users and makers of automobiles don't want the recipients of their product to die. It is kind of an unfair comparison, really.
 
2012-12-20 01:16:16 PM  
OK, but if somebody accidentally drives into oncoming bullet fire, which one gets the kill added to their stats?
 
2012-12-20 01:16:18 PM  

homarjr: What happened in the early 90s vs the late 90s in terms of firearm deaths? Seems like a big drop relatively speaking. Did Clinton have something to do with it?


Aborted children entered their late teens and 20s.
 
2012-12-20 01:16:24 PM  

RembrandtQEinstein: Show me the relevant stats.

Exclude the people who are involved in the drug trade.
Exclude suicides.
Exclude domestic violence incidents where one of the participants has either a violent criminal record or the police have been previously called to the residence more than once.

This statistic is as bullshiat as the "drunk" driving statistic where they count the incident as "alcohol related" if a sober driver hits a drunk pedestrian or if the diver is sober but the passenger is intoxicated.


Ok, so drug related violence and sucide are no longer crimes in this country? We aren't trying to reduce them anymore and we just get to ignore them? Awesome. Now that we all live in a crime free utopia, I guess you don't need that gun for self-defense anymore.
 
2012-12-20 01:16:43 PM  

justGreg: Somebody could probably make an argument that the "99% safer cars" thing is related to governmental intrusion, with things like safety requirements, mandatory licensing based on driver training, and so forth. They might even suggest that some of the same sort of actions could be taken regarding guns and it might produce an analogous result.


Well, that and the United States having a robust (although far from perfect) emergency medical system.
 
I'm glad I'm not having to cut people out of non-tempered safety glass after they slide up the steering column and impale themselves on the shards like my counterparts in the 70s had to, personally.
 
2012-12-20 01:16:54 PM  
We can prevent this by banning guns. There. Problem solved. You're welcome.
 
2012-12-20 01:16:56 PM  

EngineerAU: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: EngineerAU: Obama has a time machine. He used it to take Van Diesel's son back to the Civil War

Who's Van Diesel?

Count Von Diesel's grandson.

/He invented the grocery store. It's true. Study it out.


I thought they invented overpriced blue jeans.
 
2012-12-20 01:16:59 PM  

wheresourfish: OK, but if somebody accidentally drives into oncoming bullet fire, which one gets the kill added to their stats?


You can get credit for half a sack in football.

/or baseball if you're John Kruk
//ba dum chhhh
 
2012-12-20 01:17:11 PM  
How many were road rage that should have been carried in both columns?
 
2012-12-20 01:17:53 PM  
There are too many people - this helps.
 
2012-12-20 01:17:58 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: I wrote all of my congress members this morning, and for the first time, joined the NRA.

Obama must not be permitted to exploit the deaths of these children for his own self-serving, anti-rights agenda.



bradycenter.org

/Not sure how accurate these numbers are, but I think you get the point....
 
2012-12-20 01:18:41 PM  
Rather than babbling about how evil guns are, I think we should be pleased that automobile-related accidents are becoming less lethal.
 
2012-12-20 01:19:01 PM  
I'd rather we just go back to the wild wild west ways, cause then I would have a lot less morons to deal with.
 
2012-12-20 01:19:05 PM  

impaler: According to the CDC, in 2015 more 32,000 people will die from gunshot wounds than car accidents in the US for the first time ever

FTFY

According to Bloomberg, this is less than gun fatalities.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-19/american-gun-deaths-to-exce ed -traffic-fatalities-by-2015.html

[www.bloomberg.com image 620x413]


I love how no other lines on the graph are straight except for the imaginary parts...

Lets see....population increasing = number of deaths increasing, automobiles getting safer, automotive deaths decreasing.. GUNS ARE EVIL!!!

Awesome.
 
2012-12-20 01:19:07 PM  

Charlie Chingas: We can prevent this by banning guns. There. Problem solved. You're welcome.


And fertilizer.
And accelerants.
And projectiles.
And blunt objects.
Any piercing objects.

There are always weapons.

At least with a gun you have a chance to stop/overwhelm the shooter, can't say the same for someone with a bomb.
 
2012-12-20 01:19:46 PM  
Actually, a more *HONEST* metric would be to compare accidental vehicle deaths with accidental firearms deaths.

Also, it's not the CDC saying it: It's Bloomberg Government, using CDC data. Bloomberg Government is at least partly controlled by Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who is one of the biggest anti-gun personalities out there.

I'd trust their manipulation of the data about as far as I'd trust Mayor Mike with my gun collection.

For those on the other side, this is about as credible as you would trust the NRA with CDC data.
 
2012-12-20 01:19:54 PM  

Earguy: A Shambling Mound: Earguy: To be fair, this is also a reflection of the trend to safer cars as the older unsafe ones age off the roads. Cars are getting safer to the point that "insurance adjuster" is a job that is in decline.

Cars have not yet reached a point that they avoid collisions by themselves. I'm related to an adjuster and believe me, there is no shortage of work. People wreck their cars only ever so slightly less often than before, it's just that they are much more likely to live through it these days.

I said that because I read an article about certain jobs in decline, and insurance adjuster was on the list. It was on Yahoo news, so it must be true.


I wouldn't actually argue the point, for all I know he's as busy as he is because all of the other adjusters have been laid off. I just wanted to point out that actual fatalities are down because the cars take impact better and less so because they don't get impacted in the first place.
 
2012-12-20 01:19:57 PM  

homarjr: /Not sure how accurate these numbers are, but I think you get the point....


That we need to keep a better watch on unsupervised guns?
 
2012-12-20 01:20:02 PM  

homarjr: WhoopAssWayne: I wrote all of my congress members this morning, and for the first time, joined the NRA.

Obama must not be permitted to exploit the deaths of these children for his own self-serving, anti-rights agenda.

[bradycenter.org image 740x343]

/Not sure how accurate these numbers are, but I think you get the point....

 
 
200 IN CANADA?? They must all be hunting accidents right?
 
2012-12-20 01:20:08 PM  

homarjr: WhoopAssWayne: I wrote all of my congress members this morning, and for the first time, joined the NRA.

Obama must not be permitted to exploit the deaths of these children for his own self-serving, anti-rights agenda.

[bradycenter.org image 740x343]

/Not sure how accurate these numbers are, but I think you get the point....


So you just like posting BS. Got ya.
 
2012-12-20 01:20:33 PM  

DeathByGeekSquad: Charlie Chingas: We can prevent this by banning guns. There. Problem solved. You're welcome.

And fertilizer.
And accelerants.
And projectiles.
And blunt objects.
Any piercing objects.

There are always weapons.

At least with a gun you have a chance to stop/overwhelm the shooter, can't say the same for someone with a bomb.


Works for me. What ever it takes to make the world safe.
 
2012-12-20 01:21:09 PM  

impaler: According to the CDC, in 2015 more 32,000 people will die from gunshot wounds than car accidents in the US for the first time ever  
 
FTFY
 
According to Bloomberg, this is less than gun fatalities.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-19/american-gun-deaths-to-exce ed -traffic-fatalities-by-2015.html 
 
[www.bloomberg.com image 620x413]


Based on that chart, it looks like it already happened -- in 1992. 
 
Assuming that trends are facts, of course...
 
2012-12-20 01:21:13 PM  

RembrandtQEinstein: Exclude domestic violence incidents where one of the participants has either a violent criminal record or the police have been previously called to the residence more than once.


Why? That is the type of murder that often the victim cannot even avoid being in the "wrong place" for.

BunkoSquad: And whatever else you have to exclude to make it look like I'm right.


Ah.
 
2012-12-20 01:21:23 PM  

homarjr: WhoopAssWayne: I wrote all of my congress members this morning, and for the first time, joined the NRA.

Obama must not be permitted to exploit the deaths of these children for his own self-serving, anti-rights agenda.

[bradycenter.org image 740x343]

/Not sure how accurate these numbers are, but I think you get the point....


That image was out of date as of 2009. All homicides, including homicides committed with use of firearms, are in decline both in rate and in absolute number.
 
2012-12-20 01:21:43 PM  

Giltric: Until we legalize eutanasia just let the people in pain have access to guns because when they try to kill themselves other ways...they only maim or cripple themselves.

Have some compassion.


What's a eut?
 
2012-12-20 01:22:15 PM  

Endive Wombat: Don't Troll Me Bro!: and a little more passively.


You know how I know you do not live in NoVa/DC metro area?


No kidding. The new HOT lanes have loosened up congestion but it just gives everyone more room to work and at higher speed. I got to work 10 minutes quicker today but it was more stressful than usual as there were extra "gap closers" and tailgaters.
 
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