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2012-12-20 10:12:59 AM  
Hey, solid strategery on his part. He gets to sound like a true line-crosser and pay none of the consequences with his own party in the short term, and then when he decides to run again, he has some real bonafide liberal credentials to sell to those communist-socialist hybrids they grow up their in Massamachusetts.
 
2012-12-20 10:16:17 AM  

Pocket Ninja: Hey, solid strategery on his part. He gets to sound like a true line-crosser and pay none of the consequences with his own party in the short term, and then when he decides to run again, he has some real bonafide liberal credentials to sell to those communist-socialist hybrids they grow up their in Massamachusetts.


Oh, grow up

People change as a result of events. It is called "life". I know that may be a concept for many farkers to understand, but people do evolve.
 
2012-12-20 10:18:44 AM  

cman: Pocket Ninja: Hey, solid strategery on his part. He gets to sound like a true line-crosser and pay none of the consequences with his own party in the short term, and then when he decides to run again, he has some real bonafide liberal credentials to sell to those communist-socialist hybrids they grow up their in Massamachusetts.

Oh, grow up

People change as a result of events. It is called "life". I know that may be a concept for many farkers to understand, but people do evolve.


there's evolving and there's pandering. I will hope this is the former, but I fear this is the latter as a way to go for Kerry's seat or the governor's seat in 2014
 
2012-12-20 10:22:18 AM  

somedude210: cman: Pocket Ninja: Hey, solid strategery on his part. He gets to sound like a true line-crosser and pay none of the consequences with his own party in the short term, and then when he decides to run again, he has some real bonafide liberal credentials to sell to those communist-socialist hybrids they grow up their in Massamachusetts.

Oh, grow up

People change as a result of events. It is called "life". I know that may be a concept for many farkers to understand, but people do evolve.

there's evolving and there's pandering. I will hope this is the former, but I fear this is the latter as a way to go for Kerry's seat or the governor's seat in 2014


The events that happened in CT has put everyone's belief system into question. When major tragedies like this happen, it is natural for one to do so.

Even I am struggling with this. I can't even come up with any sort of resolution on how I feel about gun control. Before the school shooting I was against any. Now, I am not so certain. That was one of my core principles.

Not everything in this world is farking politics.
 
2012-12-20 10:26:21 AM  
"It takes the murder of 20 children for me to begin questioning whether my core values might be slightly off-base"
 
2012-12-20 10:28:28 AM  

cman: somedude210: cman: Pocket Ninja: Hey, solid strategery on his part. He gets to sound like a true line-crosser and pay none of the consequences with his own party in the short term, and then when he decides to run again, he has some real bonafide liberal credentials to sell to those communist-socialist hybrids they grow up their in Massamachusetts.

 
Oh, grow up
 
People change as a result of events. It is called "life". I know that may be a concept for many farkers to understand, but people do evolve.
 
there's evolving and there's pandering. I will hope this is the former, but I fear this is the latter as a way to go for Kerry's seat or the governor's seat in 2014
 
The events that happened in CT has put everyone's belief system into question. When major tragedies like this happen, it is natural for one to do so.
 
Even I am struggling with this. I can't even come up with any sort of resolution on how I feel about gun control. Before the school shooting I was against any. Now, I am not so certain. That was one of my core principles.
 
Not everything in this world is farking politics.
 
True, but it is safe to first assume a poltician is motivated by politics.  I'm more impressed by Sen Manchin's comments just because there is NO poltical upside for a Democratic from an extremely conservative stae where guns are almost a religion to take the stance he did.   Still, I will grudgingly say that brown has occasionally seemed like a half-way decent guy for a Republican, so maybe
 
2012-12-20 10:34:14 AM  

Pocket Ninja: "It takes the murder of 20 children for me to begin questioning whether my core values might be slightly off-base"


Just like it took the murder of 3000 Americans for me to begin questioning one of my core values of whether or not I thought it was right to torture potential terrorists to stop the next terrorist attack.
 
2012-12-20 10:37:54 AM  

cman: Just like it took the murder of 3000 Americans for me to begin questioning one of my core values of whether or not I thought it was right to torture potential terrorists to stop the next terrorist attack.


True, just like the terrorist attacks on 9/11, there is absolutely no precedent for an unhinged murderer using a gun to kill and/or injure dozens of people upon which Scott Brown could have previously reflected.
 
2012-12-20 10:38:56 AM  

cman: Pocket Ninja: "It takes the murder of 20 children for me to begin questioning whether my core values might be slightly off-base"

Just like it took the murder of 3000 Americans for me to begin questioning one of my core values of whether or not I thought it was right to torture potential terrorists to stop the next terrorist attack.


Well, that was because you're scared and you like to believe bullshiat so as to justify that little tickle of terror you feel whenever a brown person enters the room.
 
2012-12-20 10:39:09 AM  

kronicfeld: cman: Just like it took the murder of 3000 Americans for me to begin questioning one of my core values of whether or not I thought it was right to torture potential terrorists to stop the next terrorist attack.

True, just like the terrorist attacks on 9/11, there is absolutely no precedent for an unhinged murderer using a gun to kill and/or injure dozens of people upon which Scott Brown could have previously reflected.


I know! I mean, its not like terrorism didnt exist before 9/11 as well so there was no precedent for me to reflect on.
 
2012-12-20 10:40:09 AM  

cman: I know! I mean, its not like terrorism didnt exist before 9/11 as well so there was no precedent for me to reflect on.


Whoooooosh.
 
2012-12-20 10:40:17 AM  
Someone get the eucalyptus, we have a pander bear on the premises.
 
2012-12-20 10:40:48 AM  

Vodka Zombie: cman: Pocket Ninja: "It takes the murder of 20 children for me to begin questioning whether my core values might be slightly off-base"

Just like it took the murder of 3000 Americans for me to begin questioning one of my core values of whether or not I thought it was right to torture potential terrorists to stop the next terrorist attack.

Well, that was because you're scared and you like to believe bullshiat so as to justify that little tickle of terror you feel whenever a brown person enters the room.


1. I dont feel that way any more.
2. Why is it about race? Oh wait, I forgot; since I am a rightie on Fark, that automatically makes me a racist Republican who screams "SEIG HEIL" while at the same time for some reason supports Israel's right to exist.
 
2012-12-20 10:41:23 AM  

kronicfeld: cman: I know! I mean, its not like terrorism didnt exist before 9/11 as well so there was no precedent for me to reflect on.

Whoooooosh.


Then dumb it down for me, please
 
2012-12-20 10:41:26 AM  

Mentat: Someone get the eucalyptus, we have a pander bear on the premises.


Oh boy, did I fail hard on that one.  At least I spelled eucalyptus right :)
 
2012-12-20 10:48:50 AM  
So everyone agrees that a ban on weapons that shoot farther than handguns, and at the same time not as far as hunting rifles, (this is how "assault weapon" is defined in the law) will prevent crazy people from doing crazy things?
 
Excellent, so good to hear we've got that problem solved.
 
2012-12-20 10:49:52 AM  

cman: 2. Why is it about race? Oh wait, I forgot; since I am a rightie on Fark, that automatically makes me a racist Republican who screams "SEIG HEIL" while at the same time for some reason supports Israel's right to exist.


Well now...  That just makes no sense.  Are you calling yourself a Nazi already? 
 
I brought up brown people.  Stick with that one, kid.
 
2012-12-20 10:51:33 AM  

cman: Then dumb it down for me, please


Before 9/11, there had never been a domestic terrorist attack anywhere remotely approaching the scale and devastation that was wreaked that day. You had no reason to have any context for something on that scale.
 
Prior to Newtown, and particularly in the past few years - and particularly THIS YEAR - there have been myriad mass killings using firearms on the scale of Newtown: Aurora, Va. Tech, Brookfield, No. Ill. University, Binghamton, etc. Newtown is not new and unprecedented; it is another in a long string of incidents. Brown didn't have a sudden revelation based on new and unprecedented event. He is pandering.
 
2012-12-20 10:53:27 AM  

cman: The events that happened in CT has put everyone's belief system into question.

 
Not mine.
 
2012-12-20 10:53:36 AM  
it's not that you are a righty, it's just that your posting history suggests you are an extremely unstable individual
 
2012-12-20 10:53:36 AM  

cman: 1. I dont feel that way any more.
2. Why is it about race? Oh wait, I forgot; since I am a rightie on Fark, that automatically makes me a racist Republican who screams "SEIG HEIL" while at the same time for some reason supports Israel's right to exist.


I don't get the regular whippings you receive. You come across to me as a genuine guy just trying to figure things out like the rest of us. Also, didn't you vote Obama this last go-around?
 
2012-12-20 10:53:46 AM  

snowjack: So everyone agrees that a ban on weapons that shoot farther than handguns, and at the same time not as far as hunting rifles, (this is how "assault weapon" is defined in the law) will prevent crazy people from doing crazy things?
 
Excellent, so good to hear we've got that problem solved.


Let's just sit on our hands and do nothing while Americans continue to get killed by guns at a significantly higher rate than any other First World country
 
2012-12-20 10:56:54 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: Let's just sit on our hands and do nothing while Americans continue to get killed by guns at a significantly higher rate than any other First World country


It must be all the video games that American children play that don't exist in any other First World country. That has to be the variable at work here.
 
2012-12-20 10:56:59 AM  

kronicfeld: cman: Then dumb it down for me, please

Before 9/11, there had never been a domestic terrorist attack anywhere remotely approaching the scale and devastation that was wreaked that day. You had no reason to have any context for something on that scale.

Prior to Newtown, and particularly in the past few years - and particularly THIS YEAR - there have been myriad mass killings using firearms on the scale of Newtown: Aurora, Va. Tech, Brookfield, No. Ill. University, Binghamton, etc. Newtown is not new and unprecedented; it is another in a long string of incidents. Brown didn't have a sudden revelation based on new and unprecedented event. He is pandering.


I can see where you are coming from. I can, but I believe you are wrong.

It takes a certain asshole to shoot up a college, but it takes a Lucifer to do such at an elementary school.

The age of the children certainly is what got all of us shocked. When you have 6 year old kids, and I mean a bunch of them, slaughtered, people tend to get a bit sick.
 
2012-12-20 10:57:13 AM  

kronicfeld: Before 9/11, there had never been a domestic terrorist attack anywhere remotely approaching the scale and devastation that was wreaked that day. You had no reason to have any context for something on that scale.
 
Prior to Newtown, and particularly in the past few years - and particularly THIS YEAR - there have been myriad mass killings using firearms on the scale of Newtown: Aurora, Va. Tech, Brookfield, No. Ill. University, Binghamton, etc. Newtown is not new and unprecedented; it is another in a long string of incidents. Brown didn't have a sudden revelation based on new and unprecedented event. He is pandering.


Whoa, whoa, whoa college boy. You lawyer types sure love them big words, don't you? No need to get all fancy in here. Let's just go with:
 
9/11 bad. No happen before.
 
Newton bad, but happen many times before. Whyfor change core value now? Whyfor?
 
2012-12-20 10:58:19 AM  

thismomentinblackhistory: cman: 1. I dont feel that way any more.
2. Why is it about race? Oh wait, I forgot; since I am a rightie on Fark, that automatically makes me a racist Republican who screams "SEIG HEIL" while at the same time for some reason supports Israel's right to exist.

I don't get the regular whippings you receive. You come across to me as a genuine guy just trying to figure things out like the rest of us. Also, didn't you vote Obama this last go-around?


No, I voted for Gary Johnson.

And its alright if I am a whipping boy. As long as I can get my point across so others may benefit from my insight then I can take it.
 
2012-12-20 11:03:32 AM  
But, Koala Bears eat Bambo...
 
2012-12-20 11:03:35 AM  
It's beginning to dawn on the slightly smarter ones in the GOP that their core philosophy is pretty much discredited with the majority of the American people, and that the trend does not favor their brand of nuttiness.
 
2012-12-20 11:08:53 AM  

somedude210: there's evolving and there's pandering. I will hope this is the former, but I fear this is the latter as a way to go for Kerry's seat or the governor's seat in 2014


Nope. He might try, but Capuano will take him out at the knees if he runs for Kerry's seat.

I for one, am delighted at the concept. Capuano- my congressman- is a bulldog. Imagine him and Biden throwing back some PBR while washing the Trans Am. Scotty2Hotty's "I have a truck" bullshiat, and his "You're an Indian" bullshiat won't even come close to working.
 
2012-12-20 11:12:05 AM  

cman: Oh, grow up

People change as a result of events. It is called "life". I know that may be a concept for many farkers to understand, but people do evolve.


And it has nothing to do with the second senate seat opening up in his state and that he is the favourite for it?  Nothing whatsoever.
 
/politicians "growing up" - that's rich
 
2012-12-20 11:13:11 AM  

kronicfeld: cman: Then dumb it down for me, please

Before 9/11, there had never been a domestic terrorist attack anywhere remotely approaching the scale and devastation that was wreaked that day. You had no reason to have any context for something on that scale.
 
Prior to Newtown, and particularly in the past few years - and particularly THIS YEAR - there have been myriad mass killings using firearms on the scale of Newtown: Aurora, Va. Tech, Brookfield, No. Ill. University, Binghamton, etc. Newtown is not new and unprecedented; it is another in a long string of incidents. Brown didn't have a sudden revelation based on new and unprecedented event. He is pandering.


exactly.
 
He's a politician, 90% of the time they're pandering
 
2012-12-20 11:13:15 AM  

bronyaur1: It's beginning to dawn on the slightly smarter ones in the GOP that their core philosophy is pretty much discredited with the majority of the American people, and that the trend does not favor their brand of nuttiness.


THIN Majority. 53% I think is the current number of those who want to ban assault weapons.
 
2012-12-20 11:14:20 AM  

cman: Even I am struggling with this. I can't even come up with any sort of resolution on how I feel about gun control. Before the school shooting I was against any. Now, I am not so certain. That was one of my core principles.


If your principles change when they're tested, you don't have principles.
 
2012-12-20 11:14:36 AM  
He can say whatever he wants now, but once he takes over Kerry's seat, he'll be right back to voting 100% along party lines
 
2012-12-20 11:15:03 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: snowjack: So everyone agrees that a ban on weapons that shoot farther than handguns, and at the same time not as far as hunting rifles, (this is how "assault weapon" is defined in the law) will prevent crazy people from doing crazy things?
 
Excellent, so good to hear we've got that problem solved.

Let's just sit on our hands and do nothing while Americans continue to get killed by guns at a significantly higher rate than any other First World country

 
First world countries, most of which also have much better access to mental health care treatment than we do.  But I'm not hearing so much about giving the poor better access to mental health care. How about that?
 
I'm not suggesting doing nothing. I'm merely poking fun at the "Let's ban assault weapons again" crowd. They are the ones proposing dumb changes to the law to prevent more such tragedies. It didn't work last time we tried it, why do they think it will work this time?
 
2012-12-20 11:15:22 AM  
The Assault Weapons ban is a stupid, band aid idea. The manufacturers will simply change a tiny piece of the gun stock or something, or make it not fully automatic but then sell a kit that turns it into a fully automatic weapon.

I don't know nearly enough about guns- nor do I want to- to say what should or shouldn't be banned.

The way to prevent this from happening again is to have a serious national conversation about mental health, and the only way to make sure that mental health services are available to everyone is cradle to grave single payer health care. There is no other way to make sure that QUALITY mental health services are available to everyone.

We can talk about banning this gun or that bullet- and we should have people who know about guns in the conversation- but that won't solve a damn thing until we address the underlying problem.
 
2012-12-20 11:16:06 AM  
I believe that at lot of the GOP vote against their personal beliefs, they put on a show to placate their tea tarded voters.
 
2012-12-20 11:16:17 AM  

thurstonxhowell: cman: Even I am struggling with this. I can't even come up with any sort of resolution on how I feel about gun control. Before the school shooting I was against any. Now, I am not so certain. That was one of my core principles.

If your principles change when they're tested, you don't have principles.


Principals that you cannot test, adapt, and change through time are not principals, they're mental disorders.
 
2012-12-20 11:16:19 AM  

Lost Thought 00: , but once he takes over Kerry's seat,


This will not happen. He got in by a fluke, and we've gotten rid of him. We're not going back.
 
2012-12-20 11:17:34 AM  

coeyagi: bronyaur1: It's beginning to dawn on the slightly smarter ones in the GOP that their core philosophy is pretty much discredited with the majority of the American people, and that the trend does not favor their brand of nuttiness.

THIN Majority. 53% I think is the current number of those who want to ban assault weapons.


Saw 63% this morning. That nearly two of every three people. But hey, you keep hanging on to those talking points instead of actually adressing the content of post you're responding to.
 
2012-12-20 11:17:52 AM  
Obama panders by reversing his position on same-sex marriage.
Brown panders by reversing his position on assault weapons ban.

We need more such pandering.
 
2012-12-20 11:18:04 AM  

what_now: The Assault Weapons ban is a stupid, band aid idea. The manufacturers will simply change a tiny piece of the gun stock or something, or make it not fully automatic but then sell a kit that turns it into a fully automatic weapon.

I don't know nearly enough about guns- nor do I want to- to say what should or shouldn't be banned.

The way to prevent this from happening again is to have a serious national conversation about mental health, and the only way to make sure that mental health services are available to everyone is cradle to grave single payer health care. There is no other way to make sure that QUALITY mental health services are available to everyone.

We can talk about banning this gun or that bullet- and we should have people who know about guns in the conversation- but that won't solve a damn thing until we address the underlying problem.


Exactly. Address 1) that (mental health), 2) the drug trade 3) the sensationalization of these crimes in the media and 4) the glorification of gun culture, and you've got a diminished problem.
 
2012-12-20 11:18:30 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: Let's just sit on our hands and do nothing while Americans continue to get killed by guns at a significantly higher rate than any other First World country


One more thing: I find all the "killed by guns" statistics entertaining. Personally, I would find it equally unpleasant to be killed by a gun, bomb, knife, or truck.
 
2012-12-20 11:19:06 AM  

thurstonxhowell: cman: Even I am struggling with this. I can't even come up with any sort of resolution on how I feel about gun control. Before the school shooting I was against any. Now, I am not so certain. That was one of my core principles.

If your principles change when they're tested, you don't have principles.


And if you still believe everything exactly as you did when you were 16, you're not paying attention.
 
2012-12-20 11:19:17 AM  

kronicfeld: cman: Then dumb it down for me, please

Before 9/11, there had never been a domestic terrorist attack anywhere remotely approaching the scale and devastation that was wreaked that day. You had no reason to have any context for something on that scale.

Prior to Newtown, and particularly in the past few years - and particularly THIS YEAR - there have been myriad mass killings using firearms on the scale of Newtown: Aurora, Va. Tech, Brookfield, No. Ill. University, Binghamton, etc. Newtown is not new and unprecedented; it is another in a long string of incidents. Brown didn't have a sudden revelation based on new and unprecedented event. He is pandering.


On the other hand, sometimes there really are straws that break the camels back.

I'm all for skepticism whenever a politician changes his or her position on an issue. I really am. It's prudent, because we can all rattle off the names of several politicians who have said various things prior to an election only to do the opposite or say the opposite after the race. However, and this may be my own bit of naive optimism, I'm typically willing to give someone a chance to show me that they mean what they say.
 
2012-12-20 11:19:58 AM  

urbangirl: coeyagi: bronyaur1: It's beginning to dawn on the slightly smarter ones in the GOP that their core philosophy is pretty much discredited with the majority of the American people, and that the trend does not favor their brand of nuttiness.

THIN Majority. 53% I think is the current number of those who want to ban assault weapons.

Saw 63% this morning. That nearly two of every three people. But hey, you keep hanging on to those talking points instead of actually adressing the content of post you're responding to.


Talking points? It was a f*cking poll. (And I am glad the numbers went up). Maybe you should figure out if someone is just quoting statistics without any bias or if they have some underlying bias in what they're posting. I am pretty liberal. So do you think I was happy it was ONLY 53%?

FFS, people.
 
2012-12-20 11:20:02 AM  

snowjack: Peter von Nostrand: Let's just sit on our hands and do nothing while Americans continue to get killed by guns at a significantly higher rate than any other First World country

One more thing: I find all the "killed by guns" statistics entertaining. Personally, I would find it equally unpleasant to be killed by a gun, bomb, knife, or truck.


I would politely suggest you look for new entertainment options. For your own sake.
 
2012-12-20 11:21:50 AM  

coeyagi: what_now: The Assault Weapons ban is a stupid, band aid idea. The manufacturers will simply change a tiny piece of the gun stock or something, or make it not fully automatic but then sell a kit that turns it into a fully automatic weapon.

I don't know nearly enough about guns- nor do I want to- to say what should or shouldn't be banned.

The way to prevent this from happening again is to have a serious national conversation about mental health, and the only way to make sure that mental health services are available to everyone is cradle to grave single payer health care. There is no other way to make sure that QUALITY mental health services are available to everyone.

We can talk about banning this gun or that bullet- and we should have people who know about guns in the conversation- but that won't solve a damn thing until we address the underlying problem.

Exactly. Address 1) that (mental health), 2) the drug trade 3) the sensationalization of these crimes in the media and 4) the glorification of gun culture, and you've got a diminished problem.


Exactly. Add 5) the easy availability of guns designed to kill large numbers of people in the least possible time, and you've got a problem that's diminished even further.
 
2012-12-20 11:23:06 AM  

what_now: Lost Thought 00: , but once he takes over Kerry's seat,

This will not happen. He got in by a fluke, and we've gotten rid of him. We're not going back.


unless the opposition forgets the name of the Red Sox setup pitcher
 
2012-12-20 11:23:12 AM  

urbangirl: coeyagi: what_now: The Assault Weapons ban is a stupid, band aid idea. The manufacturers will simply change a tiny piece of the gun stock or something, or make it not fully automatic but then sell a kit that turns it into a fully automatic weapon.

I don't know nearly enough about guns- nor do I want to- to say what should or shouldn't be banned.

The way to prevent this from happening again is to have a serious national conversation about mental health, and the only way to make sure that mental health services are available to everyone is cradle to grave single payer health care. There is no other way to make sure that QUALITY mental health services are available to everyone.

We can talk about banning this gun or that bullet- and we should have people who know about guns in the conversation- but that won't solve a damn thing until we address the underlying problem.

Exactly. Address 1) that (mental health), 2) the drug trade 3) the sensationalization of these crimes in the media and 4) the glorification of gun culture, and you've got a diminished problem.

Exactly. Add 5) the easy availability of guns designed to kill large numbers of people in the least possible time, and you've got a problem that's diminished even further.


While I'd love to see it, I am working on the practical, not the impossible. Unless we ban lobbyists altogether. Nobody wants to be primaried by the NRA. Ergo, we're f*cked.
 
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