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2012-12-20 01:47:06 PM  
Supergreen
 
2012-12-20 01:47:31 PM  
All 15 minutes?
 
2012-12-20 01:49:32 PM  
WHo makes all those masks?
Oops...
 
2012-12-20 01:51:36 PM  
Mao would approve. Remember kids, the Chinese government things it is the revolutionaries, not the other way around.
 
2012-12-20 01:52:59 PM  
Revenge of the Nerds 4?
 
2012-12-20 01:52:59 PM  

vudukungfu: WHo makes all those masks?
Oops...


That's Hu
 
2012-12-20 01:53:53 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-20 01:55:24 PM  
I didn't care much for the movie. It seemed off that Europe became the religious theocracy and the US was made out to be the land of freedom. Or maybe I missed something. I don't remember ask that well.
 
2012-12-20 01:58:36 PM  

simplicimus: All 15 minutes?


Ha! Brilliant.
 
2012-12-20 01:58:42 PM  

farkingismybusiness: [i.imgur.com image 460x634]


Between Two Ferns needs new episodes.
 
2012-12-20 02:00:16 PM  
I have a neighbor who came over from HK when the Chinese took over who is freaking about this.
 
2012-12-20 02:02:36 PM  

big pig peaches: I didn't care much for the movie. It seemed off that Europe became the religious theocracy and the US was made out to be the land of freedom. Or maybe I missed something. I don't remember ask that well.


I'm pretty sure England was a fascist state and the US was described as a leper colony. Basically WWIII destroyed the entire world except for England, and the Nazis took over that.
 
2012-12-20 02:05:10 PM  
The masses enjoyed?

/gooood
 
2012-12-20 02:08:17 PM  

Brass_Robo: big pig peaches: I didn't care much for the movie. It seemed off that Europe became the religious theocracy and the US was made out to be the land of freedom. Or maybe I missed something. I don't remember ask that well.

I'm pretty sure England was a fascist state and the US was described as a leper colony. Basically WWIII destroyed the entire world except for England, and the Nazis took over that.


I must of watched a syfy channel knock-off.
 
2012-12-20 02:10:54 PM  

simplicimus: All 15 minutes?


Nope, the whole thing. The state keeps track of who watches what so that the criminals watching the revolutionary material can be apprehended.
 
2012-12-20 02:19:52 PM  
I didn't like the movie because it equates any conservative view with Hitler, basically. The movie's ideology seemed like it was written by a high schooler wearing a Che t-shirt. And Stephen Fry's brief scene where he panders to Islam was especially lame.
 
2012-12-20 02:23:32 PM  

big pig peaches: I didn't care much for the movie. It seemed off that Europe became the religious theocracy and the US was made out to be the land of freedom. Or maybe I missed something. I don't remember ask that well.


The US was a failed state with no functioning government, reduced to begging other nations for food aid.

So a "land of freedom" in the Ayn Rand sense.
 
2012-12-20 02:25:26 PM  

BokChoy: I didn't like the movie because it equates any conservative view with Hitler, basically. The movie's ideology seemed like it was written by a high schooler wearing a Che t-shirt. And Stephen Fry's brief scene where he panders to Islam was especially lame.


You're a cigarette.

Seriously, tho, you didn't like the movie because you can't seperate your views from a pile of fictional characters?
 
2012-12-20 02:26:01 PM  

BokChoy: I didn't like the movie because it equates any conservative view with Hitler, basically. The movie's ideology seemed like it was written by a high schooler wearing a Che t-shirt. And Stephen Fry's brief scene where he panders to Islam was especially lame.


So you don't like the truth?
 
2012-12-20 02:28:58 PM  
Was it censored at all?
 
2012-12-20 02:29:00 PM  

BokChoy: I didn't like the movie because it equates any conservative view with Hitler, basically. The movie's ideology seemed like it was written by a high schooler wearing a Che t-shirt. And Stephen Fry's brief scene where he panders to Islam was especially lame.


No it doesn't, it gives a very basic 101 of how fascist regimes tend to rise, in the manner they have throughout history (ie demonising a specific domestic "other" as an enemy, and creating a false crisis). You can apply that to every major successful fascist movement I can think of.

"First they come for the lesbians" is the opening line every time it's happened.
 
2012-12-20 02:33:31 PM  

Bungles:
"First they come for the lesbians" is the opening line every time it's happened.


Yeah, but who doesn't come for the...
Nevermind.
 
2012-12-20 02:40:34 PM  
...every time.

/I'll be in my bunk
//braiding my palms.
 
2012-12-20 02:47:27 PM  
For some reason, I expect the Chinese government to make a list of anyone who likes the movie too much.
 
2012-12-20 02:49:46 PM  
You can probably buy the bootleg DVD for a dollar anywhere in China anyways, and the Chinese govt knows this. All in all a calculated political move that gives the illusion of appeasing to the people without making concessions or fundamentally changing anything.

/just like politics in every corner of the world
 
2012-12-20 02:51:29 PM  

Bungles: "First they come for the lesbians"


 
Go on...
 
2012-12-20 02:53:44 PM  
I prefer Roger Allam as Peter Mannion.
 
2012-12-20 02:56:21 PM  

BokChoy: I didn't like the movie because it equates any conservative view with Hitler, basically. The movie's ideology seemed like it was written by a high schooler wearing a Che t-shirt. And Stephen Fry's brief scene where he panders to Islam was especially lame.


Evey Hammond: Are you a Muslim?
Gordon Deitrich: No. I'm in television.
Gordon Deitrich: I don't have to be Muslim to find the images beautiful, poetry moving.

This is pandering?
 
2012-12-20 02:59:56 PM  
So, how many organs were they able to harvest from the network exec who approved this broadcast?
 
2012-12-20 03:00:51 PM  
China is already rioting in a bunch of cities over environmental destruction. Give the people some dinky Hollywood movie and it'll calm them down enough from further political embarrassment.
 
2012-12-20 03:00:55 PM  
Considering the movie is about overthrowing a repressive govt I am shocked that China would allow it to air.
 
jvl
2012-12-20 03:04:09 PM  

BokChoy: I didn't like the movie because it equates any conservative view with Hitler, basically. The movie's ideology seemed like it was written by a high schooler wearing a Che t-shirt.


I didn't see it, but "written by a high schooler wearing a Che t-shirt" is a good description of Watchmen by the same author. The whole "the Soviets and US should just be friends since their differences are unimportant in the grand scheme of things" was a typical trope of the left in the the 80s.

/ People are wearing masks of a religious extremist who tried to blow up a democratic parliament.... why?
 
2012-12-20 03:07:00 PM  

BokChoy: I didn't like the movie because it equates any conservative view with Hitler, basically. The movie's ideology seemed like it was written by a high schooler wearing a Che t-shirt. And Stephen Fry's brief scene where he panders to Islam was especially lame.


Inherently, all religions can be used for totalitarian control. It takes place in England, so it was natural to go with Christianity. The fact that you somehow see that as a "conservative" view says all kinds of things about you.
 
2012-12-20 03:08:08 PM  

Bungles: No it doesn't, it gives a very basic 101 of how fascist regimes tend to rise, in the manner they have throughout history (ie demonising a specific domestic "other" as an enemy, and creating a false crisis). You can apply that to every major successful fascist movement I can think of.


They are the 99%

/Know who else blamed a group of "money-grubbing" bankers and capitalists for their economic woes?
//Too obvious a Godwin?
 
2012-12-20 03:10:26 PM  

abfalter: Considering the movie is about overthrowing a repressive govt I am shocked that China would allow it to air.


thatsthejoke.jpg
 
2012-12-20 03:14:37 PM  

jvl: BokChoy: I didn't like the movie because it equates any conservative view with Hitler, basically. The movie's ideology seemed like it was written by a high schooler wearing a Che t-shirt.

I didn't see it, but "written by a high schooler wearing a Che t-shirt" is a good description of Watchmen by the same author. The whole "the Soviets and US should just be friends since their differences are unimportant in the grand scheme of things" was a typical trope of the left in the the 80s.

/ People are wearing masks of a religious extremist who tried to blow up a democratic parliament.... why?


I don't even know where to start with this... I won't try at while I'm at work.

For now, I'll just say that the key point to Watchmen isn't "the Soviets and US should just be friends since their differences are unimportant in the grand scheme of things." It's more along the lines of "superficial peace based on a lie is just as bad as war." And thats really the key point to V for Vendetta, government based on fear, lies, and deceipt is wrong and will not stand the test of time.
 
2012-12-20 03:17:16 PM  
fta: "It is very possible that CCTV decided by itself" to broadcast the film, Liu said. If so, he added, it would have been "due to a gut feeling that China's film censorship will be loosened or reformed." 
 
Spiffy indeed.
 
/Still pissed they cut out the "Bitter, almond" joke and cos they took the edges off the thing but this is good news nonetheless.
 
2012-12-20 03:50:27 PM  

jvl: / People are wearing masks of a religious extremist who tried to blow up a democratic parliament.... why?


Because they don't know that. They think they're just being all cool and dark and edgy, like a 90s antihero, and truth be told, that's all they really want. Most of them would be horrified to learn about the baggage that mask actually carries, to the point where most of them would probably want to find another mask.
 
2012-12-20 03:51:40 PM  
They didn't pay royalties to air it, did they?
 
2012-12-20 04:01:51 PM  

SMB2811: BokChoy: I didn't like the movie because it equates any conservative view with Hitler, basically. The movie's ideology seemed like it was written by a high schooler wearing a Che t-shirt. And Stephen Fry's brief scene where he panders to Islam was especially lame.

Evey Hammond: Are you a Muslim?
Gordon Deitrich: No. I'm in television.
Gordon Deitrich: I don't have to be Muslim to find the images beautiful, poetry moving.

This is pandering?


Considering how the Christian church was portrayed in the film, yes I think it's pandering. They're deliberately stamping one religion with the left's seal of approval, whilst trashing another. Mind you I have nothing against trashing religion, but if you're going to do it, you should be consistent. Islam is utilized in totalitarian regimes to an even greater extent than Christianity ever was, yet its the one they decide is "beautiful" and "poetic." Nevermind that gay people are just as oppressed under Islam as they are by the film's totalitarian regime... there's just some cognitive dissonance going on when the film's prominent gay character is praising a religion that would punish him for his lifestyle.
 
2012-12-20 04:08:13 PM  

BokChoy: I didn't like the movie because it equates any conservative view with Hitler, basically. The movie's ideology seemed like it was written by a high schooler wearing a Che t-shirt. And Stephen Fry's brief scene where he panders to Islam was especially lame.


If you take a close up look at this movie, it is a lot more controversial than people think. It appears to point to terrorism as a moral justification under the guise of civil disobedience.

Hopefully, intelligent people should know that no regime has ever been overthrown by blowing up random buildings. Given the number of people that live in China and the oppressiveness of the government, particularly by media control, this is an extremely dangerous movie.
 
2012-12-20 04:12:11 PM  
Hundred Flowers Campaign anyone?
 
2012-12-20 04:15:30 PM  

BokChoy:
Considering how the Christian church was portrayed in the film, yes I think it's pandering. They're deliberately stamping one religion with the left's seal of approval, whilst trashing another. Mind you I have nothing against trashing religion, but if you're going to do it, you should be consistent. Islam is utilized in totalitarian regimes to an even greater extent than Christianity ever was, yet its the one they decide is "beautiful" and "poetic." Nevermind that gay people are just as oppressed under Islam as they are by the film's totalitarian regime... there's just some cognitive dissonance going on when the film's prominent gay character is praising a religion that would punish him for his lifestyle.


I'm not sure if you are a troll or not... but you've missed the entire point of the movie by focusing too much on what religion was vilified. (Perhaps you are an idiot/christian). The point is that religion is used as a tool by the powerful to solidify support for the regime under the banner of holiness. It doesn't matter what religion they used. The scene with Gordon was to illustrate that there is still literary and artistic quality to be found in religious text. Also that religion, despite often being used for evil, should not be banned.

jvl:
/ People are wearing masks of a religious extremist who tried to blow up a democratic parliament.... why?


Irony.
 
2012-12-20 04:17:15 PM  

BokChoy: SMB2811: BokChoy: I didn't like the movie because it equates any conservative view with Hitler, basically. The movie's ideology seemed like it was written by a high schooler wearing a Che t-shirt. And Stephen Fry's brief scene where he panders to Islam was especially lame.

Evey Hammond: Are you a Muslim?
Gordon Deitrich: No. I'm in television.
Gordon Deitrich: I don't have to be Muslim to find the images beautiful, poetry moving.

This is pandering?

Considering how the Christian church was portrayed in the film, yes I think it's pandering. They're deliberately stamping one religion with the left's seal of approval, whilst trashing another. Mind you I have nothing against trashing religion, but if you're going to do it, you should be consistent. Islam is utilized in totalitarian regimes to an even greater extent than Christianity ever was, yet its the one they decide is "beautiful" and "poetic." Nevermind that gay people are just as oppressed under Islam as they are by the film's totalitarian regime... there's just some cognitive dissonance going on when the film's prominent gay character is praising a religion that would punish him for his lifestyle.


So I can't appreciate the art in ancient Rome because they occasionally performed human sacrifice? Or appreciate the poetry in the Bible because it condones stoning? I'm not sure you quite grasped the point that was being made.
 
2012-12-21 01:42:04 PM  

jvl: BokChoy: I didn't like the movie because it equates any conservative view with Hitler, basically. The movie's ideology seemed like it was written by a high schooler wearing a Che t-shirt.

I didn't see it, but "written by a high schooler wearing a Che t-shirt" is a good description of Watchmen by the same author. The whole "the Soviets and US should just be friends since their differences are unimportant in the grand scheme of things" was a typical trope of the left in the the 80s.

/ People are wearing masks of a religious extremist who tried to blow up a democratic parliament.... why?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes


If Wikipedia can be believed, Fawkes was actually trying to blow up the House of Lords. Unlike the House of Commons, where representatives are democratically voted on, Lords are appointed, usually by whomever is sitting on the throne. At the time the House of Lords was a way of making sure the royalty always had ultimate authority over domestic and foreign decisions.
 
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