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2012-12-20 09:02:29 AM
All Firefly needed was lightsabers...
 
2012-12-20 09:15:03 AM
Depends heavily on which Star Wars we are talking about, I think.
 
The episodes with Kirk were scholcky and nowhere near as awesome as the ones with Janeway. 
 
The Doctor X series was nicely done, I think.
 
2012-12-20 09:15:23 AM
Look, I like Firefly. And I liked Star Wars, but I don't get the shiatload of adulation people heap on both. Firefly barely lasted long enough to complete a single season. It was good, but it wasn't THAT good. And Star Wars has worked hard to shiat on everything that was good in that franchise for the last 15 years.
 
Get a life! Watch something else instead. Deep Space Nine, or Babylon 5. Those are both good.
 
2012-12-20 09:23:37 AM
Firefly is just Han Solo the Series.
 
2012-12-20 09:43:35 AM
Certainly better written and acted.
 
2012-12-20 09:46:58 AM
Star Wars is way overrated. Firefly IS much better written and acted.
 
2012-12-20 09:48:47 AM
I like Star Wars, but I really can't imagine anyone being impressed with the movies if they haven't seen them by the time they're 12.


fark Firefly, though. get the fark over it.
 
2012-12-20 09:50:37 AM
As someone living with a member of 501st I think that Star Wars is way overrated.
 
Please don't tell him I said that.
 
2012-12-20 09:50:59 AM
Congratulations, Firefly fans. There's no way Community fans or Rubicon fans will ever be as petulant, delusional, and/or generally irritating.

/Community fan
 
2012-12-20 09:51:05 AM
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2012-12-20 09:52:38 AM
Yes. Yes it is. Even pre-prequel-childhood-rape-o-rama.
 
2012-12-20 09:57:27 AM
Did Firefly have Muppets?
 
2012-12-20 09:57:31 AM
Never watched Firefly. Still ready to say it's not better.
 
2012-12-20 09:59:54 AM

Vodka Zombie: Did Firefly have Muppets?


No. You're thinking of Battlestar Galactica.
 
2012-12-20 10:01:38 AM

Vodka Zombie: Depends heavily on which Star Wars we are talking about, I think.
 
The episodes with Kirk were scholcky and nowhere near as awesome as the ones with Janeway. 
 
The Doctor X series was nicely done, I think.


You're thinking of Star Track.
 
2012-12-20 10:01:47 AM
it's better written and better acted. that's true...
 
2012-12-20 10:01:57 AM
I like Firefly (and love Summer Glau) but it was both hugely farked over by the SyFy Network and hugely overrated by its fans at the same time. If Joss Whedon really wanted to he now has the clout to make another Firefly movie so all the Brownshirts or whatever they're called should yell at him. 
 
And I know plenty of Star Wars fans who were adults when the original films came out so it's not just a kid thing.
 
2012-12-20 10:02:35 AM

Vodka Zombie: Did Firefly have Muppets?


Kaylee.
 
2012-12-20 10:03:13 AM
Only in the crucial category of "not lasting long enough to eventually disappoint longtime fans, which is pretty much inevitable."
 
2012-12-20 10:03:39 AM

Vodka Zombie: Did Firefly have Muppets?


his royal highness Dominar Rygel XVI would like to see you in his throne room.
 
2012-12-20 10:04:59 AM
If given a choice, I'd watch Firefly.
 
2012-12-20 10:05:04 AM
I don't really feel like they can be compared, sure there are some similarities, but one was a farking series and the other was movies.

I know that if you based on quality by budget, Firefly would win. If you go by scale, I feel Stars Wars would win, it's just so massive.


Either way Firefly is awesome, and episodes 4-6 are awesome.
 
2012-12-20 10:05:10 AM
Serenity was an awful film.

/painting blood on the hull of our ship will fool them!
 
2012-12-20 10:05:12 AM
Star Wars was ok, but it wasn't THAT great
 
2012-12-20 10:08:26 AM

RexTalionis: Look, I like Firefly. And I liked Star Wars, but I don't get the shiatload of adulation people heap on both. Firefly barely lasted long enough to complete a single season. It was good, but it wasn't THAT good. And Star Wars has worked hard to shiat on everything that was good in that franchise for the last 15 years.


The thing that bugs me so much about firefly and firefly fans is the whole idea they seem to have that if Fox played those episodes in production order, it would have been super popular and lasted like 8 seasons. Because everyone knows that SCI-fi shows do awesome on network television.
 
2012-12-20 10:08:27 AM
Well I certainly liked the characters in Firefly a lot more than SW. Especially the women.
 
2012-12-20 10:08:58 AM

Vodka Zombie: Depends heavily on which Star Wars we are talking about, I think.

The episodes with Kirk were scholcky and nowhere near as awesome as the ones with Janeway.

The Doctor X series was nicely done, I think.


The best episode was when Darth Vader and the Cylons arrested Sulu for murder, but it turned out the murderer was actually the Vorlon Ambassador who had diplomatic immunity!
 
2012-12-20 10:10:34 AM
I like the Firefly episode where they go to the planet that looks like southern California.
 
2012-12-20 10:10:39 AM
Serenity Box Office Worldwide: = $38,869,464

Star Wars Box Office Worldwide: = $4,485,672,683

/back that winner!
 
2012-12-20 10:11:43 AM

thecpt: [4.asset.soup.io image 640x400]


I love these things.
 
2012-12-20 10:12:17 AM

Free Radical: Serenity was an awful film.

/painting blood on the hull of our ship will fool them!


Agreed. WAYYY too much action and fighting and not enough dialogue. And then they felt they had to make it "dramatic" by killing off several main characters. Was not at ALL in keeping with the flavor of the show.
 
2012-12-20 10:13:04 AM
jeebus I'm sick to death of hearing about Firefly. It was okay I guess for what it was. It probably should have had a better run than it did but it is so over-hyped now that it's totally ridiculous. Half the episodes bored me to tears.
 
2012-12-20 10:15:37 AM
ARE YOU JOKING? I sincerely hope you are, in which case please stop submitting threads like this because Fark.com is a place for serious advice and heartfelt community, not a place for people like you to get their kicks out of AWing and insulting the writers of my favorite TV show ever.
 
2012-12-20 10:15:49 AM

acefox1: jeebus I'm sick to death of hearing about Firefly. It was okay I guess for what it was. It probably should have had a better run than it did but it is so over-hyped now that it's totally ridiculous. Half the episodes bored me to tears.


Meh, the reason it did not have a better run is nobody watched it, now Firefly whiners will tell it is because Fox jacked the schedule around for baseball, which is partially true, but the other reason is that it was the Terra Nova of the 00's.

Highly ambitious, decent actors, thoroughly panned by the critics and nobody cared to watch it.
 
2012-12-20 10:16:18 AM

WippitGuud: Vodka Zombie: Did Firefly have Muppets?

No. You're thinking of Battlestar Galactica.


bugmn99: Vodka Zombie: Depends heavily on which Star Wars we are talking about, I think.
 
The episodes with Kirk were scholcky and nowhere near as awesome as the ones with Janeway. 
 
The Doctor X series was nicely done, I think.

You're thinking of Star Track.


Why is everyone telling me what I'm thinking?!?!
 
Gyaaagh!
 
2012-12-20 10:16:28 AM
I liked Firefly a lot, but I wish the fans would just STFU.
 
2012-12-20 10:18:44 AM
I like them both fine, but I'm just as tired of Browncoat whining as I am Star Wars saturation.

/ yes, I watched with the Independents
// show's over; we're all just folk now
 
2012-12-20 10:20:13 AM
Star Wars could compete more if it had more women in it.
 
2012-12-20 10:20:26 AM
Without Star Wars there would have been no Firefly. Whedon probably pitched it as Starwars meets Butch Cassidy or something. This is a stupid debate.
 
2012-12-20 10:21:16 AM
The main reason for all the butthurt and fetishization of FIREFLY is that the Millennials are collectively and
unconsciously jealous that the Baby Boomer's had STAR TREK, and Generation X is collectively and
unconsciously jealous that all they got was THE X FILES.
 
2012-12-20 10:22:44 AM

Mugato: I like Firefly (and love Summer Glau) but it was both hugely farked over by the SyFy Network and hugely overrated by its fans at the same time. If Joss Whedon really wanted to he now has the clout to make another Firefly movie so all the Brownshirts or whatever they're called should yell at him.


Serenity flopped. Even with the pull he has now, I really doubt Whedon could get the funding to make a sequel.
 
2012-12-20 10:22:56 AM
Whoever started this stupid ass argument deserves a kick in the yambags. They're both awesome and they were both destroyed by people with more money than sense. Watch both, enjoy both, shut the fark up.
 
2012-12-20 10:23:58 AM
While I enjoy both, Firefly makes Lucas's dialogue writing (and cast delivery) look good.
 
2012-12-20 10:24:31 AM

EyeballKid: Congratulations, Firefly fans. There's no way Community fans or Rubicon fans will ever be as petulant, delusional, and/or generally irritating.

/Community fan


I AM ALL THREE AND FAR MORE PETULANT THAN ANYONE ELSE
 
2012-12-20 10:26:26 AM

Vodka Zombie: Depends heavily on which Star Wars we are talking about, I think.

The episodes with Kirk were scholcky and nowhere near as awesome as the ones with Janeway.

The Doctor X series was nicely done, I think.


you sir/madam are a fool

it is called Dr. X.

\\kids these days
\can't tell a Day-lick from a Cybertron
 
2012-12-20 10:27:36 AM
And this is how the world ends. In a fist fight between the 501st and the Browncoats.
 
2012-12-20 10:27:42 AM
I'm not sure that a straight-up comparison is doing justice to either. Star Wars was a Wagner-esque opera set in space with Eastern elements. Firefly was a spaghetti western set in space. If you drop the "in space" part, they really don't have that much in common. I didn't watch a whole lot of Firefly, but I don't remember any mystical stuff being referenced. Whereas Star Wars was stuffed to the gills with mysticism and straight-up magic. Also Star Wars had aliens which can be generalized and archetyped. Firefly had humans and farked-up humans.

I just don't see a need to say that one should be continued, but not the other. There's room in this world for both.
 
2012-12-20 10:28:24 AM

NowhereMon: Without Star Wars there would have been no Firefly. Whedon probably pitched it as Starwars meets Butch Cassidy or something. This is a stupid debate.


You win one Internet™.
 
2012-12-20 10:28:58 AM

RexTalionis: Look, I like Firefly. And I liked Star Wars, but I don't get the shiatload of adulation people heap on both. Firefly barely lasted long enough to complete a single season. It was good, but it wasn't THAT good. And Star Wars has worked hard to shiat on everything that was good in that franchise for the last 15 years.

Get a life! Watch something else instead. Deep Space Nine, or Babylon 5. Those are both good.


B5 is amazing once it hit its stride. I just started a rewatch of it this past week and had forgotten how wretched the pilot movie was. Thank goodness it got picked up in spite of that mess.
 
2012-12-20 10:29:28 AM

mechgreg: RexTalionis: Look, I like Firefly. And I liked Star Wars, but I don't get the shiatload of adulation people heap on both. Firefly barely lasted long enough to complete a single season. It was good, but it wasn't THAT good. And Star Wars has worked hard to shiat on everything that was good in that franchise for the last 15 years.

The thing that bugs me so much about firefly and firefly fans is the whole idea they seem to have that if Fox played those episodes in production order, it would have been super popular and lasted like 8 seasons. Because everyone knows that SCI-fi shows do awesome on network television.


I think it dovetails with the general fact that Fox is notorious for cancelling popular or quality shows because they don't give the shows time to grow to their potential in the realm of viewership, and then replace them with troves of shiat shows that no one even remembers after they're cancelled.

/see: Peter's rant on the first episode of Family Guy after it was reinstated.
 
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