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(Sportige)   Since 1987, the Kansas City Chiefs have drafted 10 quarterbacks. Those QBs career win total? 2. Wins for KC? 0   (sportige.com) divider line 59
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2012-12-20 09:34:13 AM  
Who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who, and who?
 
2012-12-20 09:54:32 AM  
Brodie croyle.. nice
 
2012-12-20 09:57:04 AM  
That is an amazing stat. Sorry, Chiefs fans.
 
2012-12-20 09:57:36 AM  
Yowza.

That's a pretty impressive list of consistent FAIL right there.
 
2012-12-20 09:57:41 AM  
Thanks for the reminder. I'm sure if the Chiefs draft Geno Smith or Matt Barkley this year, it'll really turn that trend around!
 
2012-12-20 10:00:29 AM  
So what your saying:

The Chefs are worse then the browns at drafting quarterbacks
 
2012-12-20 10:01:27 AM  
and the packers have had 3 Quarterbacks in that same time. 2 Super bowl wins, and 2 MVPs

sportschump.net
 
2012-12-20 10:06:07 AM  

kkinnison: and the packers have had 3 Quarterbacks in that same time. 2 Super bowl wins, and 2 MVPs

[sportschump.net image 580x326]


i think you left off
87/Randy Wright, Alan Rischer
90 Anthony Dilweg, Blair Kiel
91 Mike Tomzak
 
2012-12-20 10:07:08 AM  
I still say give Stanzi a chance. That guy was more accurate than bullseye. With Bowe out it doesn't matter anyways, and Baldwin seemingly only catches the ball if he's going to get 0 yac and the catch will make the highlight real
 
2012-12-20 10:09:10 AM  

farbekrieg: kkinnison: and the packers have had 3 Quarterbacks in that same time. 2 Super bowl wins, and 2 MVPs

[sportschump.net image 580x326]

i think you left off
87/Randy Wright, Alan Rischer
90 Anthony Dilweg, Blair Kiel
91 Mike Tomzak


And Matt Hassleback
 
2012-12-20 10:09:37 AM  
To be somewhat fair, Elkins and Blundin are the only ones on that list who were even 2nd rounders; and both of them were projects, as the Chef's had DeBerg and Dave Krieg as their starters (I know, but it seemed logical at the time). Croyle was a 3rd rounder, and he's the only other one on that list you can legitimately say the Chiefs had any kind of realistic hopes for.
 
Basically Todd Blackledge left us with Quarterback Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.
 
2012-12-20 10:09:46 AM  

kkinnison: and the packers have had 3 Quarterbacks in that same time. 2 Super bowl wins, and 2 MVPs

[sportschump.net image 580x326]


To be fair, the Packers didn't draft Favre. Also, when I am feeling down, I go to Wikipedia and compare the the Bears and Packers list of starting QBs since 1992. If I'm feeling really bad, I compare the Lions and the Packers.
 
2012-12-20 10:12:02 AM  

roc6783: To be fair, the Packers didn't draft Favre. Also, when I am feeling down, I go to Wikipedia and compare the the Bears and Packers list of starting QBs since 1992. If I'm feeling really bad, I compare the Lions and the Packers.


I buy a Clay Mathews Fathead. It makes me feel....better.
 
2012-12-20 10:13:12 AM  

farbekrieg: kkinnison: and the packers have had 3 Quarterbacks in that same time. 2 Super bowl wins, and 2 MVPs

[sportschump.net image 580x326]

i think you left off
87/Randy Wright, Alan Rischer
90 Anthony Dilweg, Blair Kiel
91 Mike Tomzak


For the Packers? I thought that Don Majkowski was the starter, and those guys were just backups because he got injured. He finally left and was replaced by Brett Favre.

Speaking of Majik, who was also from Virginia, I'd like to point out that Matt Blundin actually, ahh, played basketball for Virginia. He was six foot farking seven, and got 'em to the Elite Eight in 1989.
 
2012-12-20 10:15:39 AM  

kkinnison: and the packers have had 3 Quarterbacks in that same time. 2 Super bowl wins, and 2 MVPs

[sportschump.net image 580x326]


The Packers didn't draft Favre and have actually drafted more QBs than the Chiefs since 1987, although several of them enjoyed decent success (mostly for other teams since we didn't need them anyway).
 
2012-12-20 10:16:22 AM  

thecpt: roc6783: To be fair, the Packers didn't draft Favre. Also, when I am feeling down, I go to Wikipedia and compare the the Bears and Packers list of starting QBs since 1992. If I'm feeling really bad, I compare the Lions and the Packers.

I buy a Clay Mathews Fathead. It makes me feel....better.


Second best commercial in the history of television. #1 is the Play60 commercial with Cam and the kid.
 
2012-12-20 10:19:20 AM  
I never heard of any of them.
 
2012-12-20 10:24:24 AM  

roc6783: thecpt: roc6783: To be fair, the Packers didn't draft Favre. Also, when I am feeling down, I go to Wikipedia and compare the the Bears and Packers list of starting QBs since 1992. If I'm feeling really bad, I compare the Lions and the Packers.

I buy a Clay Mathews Fathead. It makes me feel....better.

Second best commercial in the history of television. #1 is the Play60 commercial with Cam and the kid.


Bobwehadababyitsaboy
 
2012-12-20 10:29:22 AM  

karasoth: farbekrieg: kkinnison: and the packers have had 3 Quarterbacks in that same time. 2 Super bowl wins, and 2 MVPs

[sportschump.net image 580x326]

i think you left off
87/Randy Wright, Alan Rischer
90 Anthony Dilweg, Blair Kiel
91 Mike Tomzak

And Matt Hassleback


And Mark Brunell and Matt Flynn.
 
2012-12-20 10:37:40 AM  

Super Chronic: karasoth: farbekrieg: kkinnison: and the packers have had 3 Quarterbacks in that same time. 2 Super bowl wins, and 2 MVPs

[sportschump.net image 580x326]

i think you left off
87/Randy Wright, Alan Rischer
90 Anthony Dilweg, Blair Kiel
91 Mike Tomzak

And Matt Hassleback

And Mark Brunell and Matt Flynn.


Yeah.... I mean if I was some how owner of the Chief's I would order a moritorum on drafting QBs until I could figure out how we fail so consitantly
 
2012-12-20 10:38:16 AM  
Since 1987, the Chiefs has had a pretty good overall list of starters.
Link
 
2012-12-20 10:45:43 AM  
I thought the Chiefs didn't draft QBs they just took whoever the 49ers or Patriots got rid of.
 
2012-12-20 10:47:25 AM  
There are a LOT of names on that list that I've been trying very, very hard to forget.
 
2012-12-20 10:48:15 AM  
Losing teams always think that just plugging in a different quarterback will solve their problems. It takes at least 22 make a football team, not one.
 
2012-12-20 10:53:53 AM  
Chiefs War Room, 1983 - Let's see... John Elway?  No.  Dan Marino?  Ha!  Jim Kelly?  Not on my watch.  Say, this Todd Blackledge kid is just what we're looking for!
 
/cries
 
2012-12-20 10:56:21 AM  
At the risk of sidetracking the conversation: how do they allocate wins and losses in the NFL if the QB is replaced during the game? Does it count against the starter's record regardless, or is there some official process for determining who gets it, as in MLB?
 
2012-12-20 10:56:49 AM  

macdaddy357: Losing teams always think that just plugging in a different quarterback will solve their problems. It takes at least 22 make a football team, not one.


Going half-assed on the QB position for 25 years is what got us here in the first place.
 
2012-12-20 10:57:49 AM  

karasoth: Yeah.... I mean if I was some how owner of the Chief's I would order a moritorum on drafting QBs until I could figure out how we fail so consitantly

 
When Scott Pioli took over, his priority should have been offensive line.  The o-line was ancient after Vermeil left and everyone knew it was going to take time to rebuild.  I think the fans would have accepted one more year of Tyler Thigpen if it meant a strong o-line.  Instead, the Smartest Man In The Room signed a $60 million punching bag and started jabbering about the Right 53 while wasting the most valuable second round picks in years on a punt returned and a nickelback.  No, the Chiefs are right where they were when he joined:  No o-line, no qb, no hope.  Thanks Pioli for trying and failing miserably to create New England West.  Maybe you can go help the Jets out.
 
2012-12-20 10:59:46 AM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: macdaddy357: Losing teams always think that just plugging in a different quarterback will solve their problems. It takes at least 22 make a football team, not one.

Going half-assed on the QB position for 25 years is what got us here in the first place.


I can already tell you what's going to happen:
 
Scenario 1:  Chiefs sign Alex Smith, fans meltdown at the thought of another SF qb (just a tip Alex, don't insult the BBQ).
Scenario 2:  Chiefs draft Geno Smith without significantly addressing the line, fans are estatic until they see him become the next David Carr
 
2012-12-20 11:00:02 AM  
Freakin Amateurs....

t2.gstatic.com
 
2012-12-20 11:04:44 AM  

czetie: At the risk of sidetracking the conversation: how do they allocate wins and losses in the NFL if the QB is replaced during the game? Does it count against the starter's record regardless, or is there some official process for determining who gets it, as in MLB?


Starter's record regardless, as I understand it.
 
2012-12-20 11:07:12 AM  

Mentat: karasoth: Yeah.... I mean if I was some how owner of the Chief's I would order a moritorum on drafting QBs until I could figure out how we fail so consitantly

When Scott Pioli took over, his priority should have been offensive line.  The o-line was ancient after Vermeil left and everyone knew it was going to take time to rebuild.  I think the fans would have accepted one more year of Tyler Thigpen if it meant a strong o-line.  Instead, the Smartest Man In The Room signed a $60 million punching bag and started jabbering about the Right 53 while wasting the most valuable second round picks in years on a punt returned and a nickelback.  No, the Chiefs are right where they were when he joined:  No o-line, no qb, no hope.  Thanks Pioli for trying and failing miserably to create New England West.  Maybe you can go help the Jets out.


They're worse than they were when he got here. The best players are Peterson holdovers that are now four years older, he's traded away solid starters (Barth, Pollard, Gonzales) for cheaper/less productive alternatives, and he never gave Cassell legitimate competition. The o-line (assuming that they keep Albert and Donald Stevenson continues to improve) is actually better, but the $100 million d-line is somehow worse.
 
2012-12-20 11:08:56 AM  

Mentat: karasoth: Yeah.... I mean if I was some how owner of the Chief's I would order a moritorum on drafting QBs until I could figure out how we fail so consitantly

When Scott Pioli took over, his priority should have been offensive line.  The o-line was ancient after Vermeil left and everyone knew it was going to take time to rebuild.  I think the fans would have accepted one more year of Tyler Thigpen if it meant a strong o-line.  Instead, the Smartest Man In The Room signed a $60 million punching bag and started jabbering about the Right 53 while wasting the most valuable second round picks in years on a punt returned and a nickelback.  No, the Chiefs are right where they were when he joined:  No o-line, no qb, no hope.  Thanks Pioli for trying and failing miserably to create New England West.  Maybe you can go help the Jets out.


Right but you can draft 3rd-7th round qbs and work them up.

But yeah.... the O-Line should be job one when you take over a Chefs, Rams, Browns, or other serial awful team
 
2012-12-20 11:43:34 AM  

Gunny Highway: roc6783: thecpt: roc6783: ***snip***

Second best commercial in the history of television. #1 is the Play60 commercial with Cam and the kid.

Bobwehadababyitsaboy


I know that one is a favorite on Fark, but I cannot conceivably see a way to top a 10 year old kid sincerely telling an NFL player that the NFL player is going to be his back up and the kid is going to be the NFL player's mom's favorite player. Add in the progression of Cam's perfect reactions and I doubt I will ever see a better one in my lifetime.

//The only way it could have been better was if it was Rodgers and the kid made a thinly veiled reference, like "I get drafted by the Packers and take your, even if you don't help me." and then end it with the kid doing "the touchdown dance" and says, "I'm just making sure my belt fits."
 
2012-12-20 11:44:48 AM  

roc6783: Gunny Highway: roc6783: thecpt: roc6783: ***snip***

//The only way it could have been better was if it was Rodgers and the kid made a thinly veiled reference, like "I get drafted by the Packers and take your job, even if you don't help me." and then end it with the kid doing "the touchdown dance" and says, "I'm just making sure my belt fits."


I got jobbed.
 
2012-12-20 11:51:15 AM  

roc6783: I know that one is a favorite on Fark, but I cannot conceivably see a way to top a 10 year old kid sincerely telling an NFL player that the NFL player is going to be his back up and the kid is going to be the NFL player's mom's favorite player. Add in the progression of Cam's perfect reactions and I doubt I will ever see a better one in my lifetime.


Agreed. It is a great commercial.
 
2012-12-20 11:56:16 AM  
I'd like to see an infographic showing a timeline of every team's starting QB over the past couple decades.
 
2012-12-20 11:57:03 AM  

roc6783: I know that one is a favorite on Fark, but I cannot conceivably see a way to top a 10 year old kid sincerely telling an NFL player that the NFL player is going to be his back up and the kid is going to be the NFL player's mom's favorite player. Add in the progression of Cam's perfect reactions and I doubt I will ever see a better one in my lifetime.


I'm just loosening my arm.

Anyways my personal favorite this years was the Sears (or something) sale where they begin it like a romcom.

What do you do? I'm a blogger. Totes Cray, me too!

The first time I saw it was during a movie and I was absolutely convinced it was a real movie.
 
2012-12-20 12:01:10 PM  
The GM for the Chiefs should be on 1 dollar a year, like some CEO's when their company is mired in the shiat.
 
2012-12-20 12:07:29 PM  

Foxxinnia: I'd like to see an infographic showing a timeline of every team's starting QB over the past couple decades.


Not what you were looking for, but I found it interesting:

sixteenwins.com
 
2012-12-20 12:14:22 PM  

macdaddy357: Losing teams always think that just plugging in a different quarterback will solve their problems. It takes at least 22 make a football team, not one.


Fantastic line play can cover a lot of deficiencies within the rest of the team. Unfortunately, few people will watch a team where the lines are the highlight of the team, so the top picks go to QB, RB, or WR. Also, guys who individually are less talented can still do really well as a unit.
 
2012-12-20 12:22:13 PM  

roc6783: Foxxinnia: I'd like to see an infographic showing a timeline of every team's starting QB over the past couple decades.

Not what you were looking for, but I found it interesting:

[sixteenwins.com image 650x1500]


That infographic is AWESOME!

My favorite parts:

1. I was 29.8 years old last month! I should've won a super bowl!
B. Being a first rounder, and the 1st overall pick in particular, is apparently a much better indicator of super bowl success than I would have expected.
III. NO PASSING YARDAGE LEADER HAS EVER WON THE SUPER BOWL (will have to remember this next time someone trots out A. Lucks yardage total as indicative of his guarenteed future success)

/Rooting for RGIII to appear on that chart next year
//Unlikely as it may be
 
2012-12-20 12:44:19 PM  

thecpt: roc6783: I know that one is a favorite on Fark, but I cannot conceivably see a way to top a 10 year old kid sincerely telling an NFL player that the NFL player is going to be his back up and the kid is going to be the NFL player's mom's favorite player. Add in the progression of Cam's perfect reactions and I doubt I will ever see a better one in my lifetime.

I'm just loosening my arm.

Anyways my personal favorite this years was the Sears (or something) sale where they begin it like a romcom.

What do you do? I'm a blogger. Totes Cray, me too!

The first time I saw it was during a movie and I was absolutely convinced it was a real movie.


The one in the airport or another one? The airport one totally had me going the first time. Sometimes you get an ad that is wildly better than the product deserves.
 
2012-12-20 12:45:25 PM  

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: roc6783: Foxxinnia: ***snip***
/Rooting for RGIII to appear on that chart next year
//Unlikely as it may be


Rodgers is 29, book it, done.
 
2012-12-20 12:45:35 PM  
That is what happens when you try to do everything on the cheap.
 
2012-12-20 01:09:26 PM  

Mateorocks: Thanks for the reminder. I'm sure if the Chiefs draft Geno Smith or Matt Barkley this year, it'll really turn that trend around!


Dear God, please not Geno. He doesn't deserve to be in that immersion of suck.
 
2012-12-20 01:25:00 PM  

roc6783: Foxxinnia: I'd like to see an infographic showing a timeline of every team's starting QB over the past couple decades.

Not what you were looking for, but I found it interesting:

[sixteenwins.com image 650x1500]


Cool infografik. I was going to ask why they left Kurt Warner off the HOF list, but then I read a little more and realized he isn't HOF-eligible yet. Definitely a shoe-in first ballot HOFer though.
 
2012-12-20 01:27:40 PM  

czetie: The one in the airport


made it even better that it was a commercial before previews for a lot of movies and thats how I saw it initially
 
2012-12-20 01:43:19 PM  

Rhypskallion: Since 1987, the Chiefs has had a pretty good overall list of starters.
Link


That's the thing. Pretty much all the research shows that if you want to draft a future starting quarterback, you have to draft them in the first round (maybe second). 74% of the league's starting QBs right now were drafted in the first round. But that's never been the Chiefs' strategy. They haven't drafted a first-round QB since Todd Blackledge in 1983. Instead, they like to trade for or sign veteran free agents. It's not necessarily a bad strategy. It's what the Giants did for 15 years or so between Phil Simms and Eli Manning, but at some point, if you want to be a consistent winner, you need to start looking for that franchise quarterback, which anybody could have told you, Matt Cassell was not.
 
2012-12-20 02:06:02 PM  

rugman11: Rhypskallion: Since 1987, the Chiefs has had a pretty good overall list of starters.
Link

 
That's the thing. Pretty much all the research shows that if you want to draft a future starting quarterback, you have to draft them in the first round (maybe second). 74% of the league's starting QBs right now were drafted in the first round. But that's never been the Chiefs' strategy. They haven't drafted a first-round QB since Todd Blackledge in 1983. Instead, they like to trade for or sign veteran free agents. It's not necessarily a bad strategy. It's what the Giants did for 15 years or so between Phil Simms and Eli Manning, but at some point, if you want to be a consistent winner, you need to start looking for that franchise quarterback, which anybody could have told you, Matt Cassell was not.
 
Eh, not 100%. Touchdown Dave Brown was a supplemental draft pick and Danny Kanell was a mid-round draft pick who was on the bench for a year or so. Then they went on a run of Kent Graham, Kerry Collins, and (briefly) Kurt Warner, so it holds up for those years.
 
Side note: My earliest Giants memories feature Dave Brown at QB. It's a wonder I stayed with it.
 
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