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2012-12-20 11:06:51 AM
Can the global warming/climate change wtf ever you wanna call it threads start going in the politics thread already?
 
2012-12-20 11:06:56 AM
vestona22:

i1275.photobucket.com

Aaaand here we have an example of a true believer!
 
2012-12-20 11:08:05 AM
Mindless zealot believing in global warming? Accepted.

Mindless zealot disbelieving in global warming? Accepted.

Any other opinion? You're a wacko.

This has been my experience of sharing an honest opinion about the matter. So, yeah, make with the Russian babes.
 
2012-12-20 11:10:36 AM
Tommy Moo:

make me some tea: Submitter, it's climate change, not global warming.

You are the worst.

I hate this expression. It's a cop out catch all designed to make climatologists look like seers no matter what happens. Climate gets hotter? Climate change. Climate gets colder? Also climate change. Climate gets wetter? Told you so! Climate gets drier? I'm right about that one too!

If you want credit for building a model with predictive power, you need to actually predict something. Otherwise, STFU.


Ok... So in your understanding, the various models haven't predicted anything?

Actually, do you know ANYTHING about the models at all, or are you just spouting at random?

Seriously... What (in your mind) do the models predict?
 
2012-12-20 11:10:43 AM

vestona22: [i1275.photobucket.com image 300x240]>


Yeah it's funny how every time they point at an example of a localized weather pattern, we point that out, and correct them that it's not equivalent to climate, and then we point out the climate change that's actually an indicator of global warming is climate change.

Seriously, this isn't complicated. Having a nice sunny day is not equivalent to a 100s-of-years established average climate for a geographical region.
 
2012-12-20 11:11:03 AM

GrizzlyPouch: Can the global warming/climate change wtf ever you wanna call it threads start going in the politics thread already?


Its almost each party has backed a side and won't give. I think that means we will start actually doing something.
 
2012-12-20 11:11:09 AM

Zasteva: Yeah, that was intended as a response to superdude's comment about that only being 20 below, and it was the windchill bringing it to 50 below. They don't count the windchill :-/


A ha. That makes sense.

maxheck: Aaaand here we have an example of a true believer!


How ironic that such a position makes him/her more of an Agnostic. They see all the piles of evidence, and still can't be sure.
 
2012-12-20 11:12:45 AM
We're getting a foot of snow today. Suck it
 
2012-12-20 11:13:21 AM
Tennessee is supposed to get snow showers tomorrow. It's not going to get above 32 here. I'm hoping for a snow day (I work for a university)
 
2012-12-20 11:16:03 AM
factoryconnection:


maxheck: Aaaand here we have an example of a true believer!

How ironic that such a position makes him/her more of an Agnostic. They see all the piles of evidence, and still can't be sure.


Now, now... They want to be called "skeptics." And they will stamp their feet, close their eyes and cover their ears if you *dare* call them "deniers."
 
2012-12-20 11:16:07 AM

Tommy Moo: If you want credit for building a model with predictive power, you need to actually predict something.


Here's an article by a Nobel laureate predicting that increasing the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere will lead to warming of the surface. The author also calculates the rough impact of such an increase, which is within the range later put forward by the IPCC.

Of course, the author didn't think that burning fossil fuels would lead to this, because when Svante Arrhenius wrote the article in 1896 we weren't burning them quite so aggressively.

So, you're only a little over a century behind on the science. Yay, you.

i2.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-20 11:16:09 AM
-33F at my house right now.

/Alaskan
 
2012-12-20 11:16:52 AM
Ah, but that was also predicted by AGW. Hot weather, cold weather, bad weather, good weather, even no weather at all... if even a single one of the predictions comes true, that proves it was all caused by AGW, so it's all your fault and you need to be dragged, chained and screaming if need be, into our Brave New Reich Of Tomorrow.

/we even promise not to make the same mistake the astrologers and eugenicists made
//the USA will be enlightened first of all, and only after it is thoroughly enlightened into submission will we break our promises not to enlighten other nations like China and India
 
2012-12-20 11:17:03 AM
I love these global warming threads.
www.troll.me
 
2012-12-20 11:17:17 AM

blatz514: We're getting a foot of snow today. Suck it


Strangely, that's bound to happen when you take a planet of mostly water and crank up the heat a bit. That makes much more water vapor, and all you need are regions that are still
It's not like snow production is a directly proportional line to temperature. It's more of a bell curve that starts at zero, goes up to some maximum amount, and then drops again, and depending on what side of that curve your region starts, an increase in global temperature can produce either more or less snow locally.

Some of the driest, least precipitation places on the planet are in ultra-cold areas, because there isn't enough heat to produce water vapor in the air.
 
2012-12-20 11:17:57 AM
i.telegraph.co.uk
 
2012-12-20 11:18:39 AM

Tatterdemalian: if even a single one of the predictions comes true, that proves it was all caused by AGW, so it's all your fault and you need to be dragged, chained and screaming if need be, into our Brave New Reich Of Tomorrow.


Everyone point and laugh at how dumb you are.
 
2012-12-20 11:19:13 AM

make me some tea: Submitter, it's climate change, not global warming.

You are the worst.


it is now called climate change after Gore was put in his place by scientists.
 
2012-12-20 11:20:12 AM

Tatterdemalian: Ah, but that was also predicted by AGW. Hot weather, cold weather, bad weather, good weather, even no weather at all... if even a single one of the predictions comes true, that proves it was all caused by AGW, so it's all your fault and you need to be dragged, chained and screaming if need be, into our Brave New Reich Of Tomorrow.

/we even promise not to make the same mistake the astrologers and eugenicists made
//the USA will be enlightened first of all, and only after it is thoroughly enlightened into submission will we break our promises not to enlighten other nations like China and India


Can you cite anyone saying anything like that? I keep asking this, but never get an answer. What I typically get are dishonest misrepresentations of what people are saying, typically, among other reasons, because they can't comprehend any topic that's more nuanced than "Hot out mean global warming but cold out mean not global warming".

... just like this one.
 
2012-12-20 11:22:43 AM

trey101: make me some tea: Submitter, it's climate change, not global warming.

You are the worst.

it is now called climate change after Gore was put in his place by scientists.


Gore is irrelevant. He made a movie. He's not the scientific community. The fact people keep bringing him up demonstrates that they'd rather throw out red herrings than actually deal with the facts.

Climate change and global warming are two different things.

Global warming is when the planet heats up. Climate change are the changes in the climate because of that.

This is very straight forward.
 
2012-12-20 11:23:19 AM

chimp_ninja: Tommy Moo: If you want credit for building a model with predictive power, you need to actually predict something.

Here's an article by a Nobel laureate predicting that increasing the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere will lead to warming of the surface. The author also calculates the rough impact of such an increase, which is within the range later put forward by the IPCC.


See also: "Successful Predictions", Ray Pierrehumbert's talk at AGU this year.
 
2012-12-20 11:23:54 AM

FlameDuck: I don't think it is 52 below in the picture where pretty girls are walking without hats and gloves. No matter how hot they are.


In my part of (northern) Canada, you should see how women go out no matter how cold it gets.

//Being hot (or getting sexually assaulted) trumps not dying in the -30 degree temperatures and snow, I guess.
 
2012-12-20 11:24:33 AM
chimp_ninja:

From the looks of it, Svante Ahrrhenius frowns on EVERYTHING!
 
2012-12-20 11:26:24 AM

maxheck: chimp_ninja:

From the looks of it, Svante Ahrrhenius frowns on EVERYTHING!


Shenanigans were at historically high levels in the 1890s.
 
2012-12-20 11:27:13 AM

trey101: make me some tea: Submitter, it's climate change, not global warming.

You are the worst.

it is now called climate change after Gore was put in his place by scientists.


Actually when I was in college studying this stuff in the early 90s this was a topic of conversation, that is, the idea that "Global Climate Change" was a better name for the phenomenon because while the "Global Warming" was the net effect, that would confuse many people who would just expect that everything would get warmer, whereas actually we would see dramatic changes in weather patterns (aka climate). Gore didn't become a target for the anti-science crowd until 2006 when his movie was released.
 
2012-12-20 11:28:41 AM
Drasancas:

trey101: make me some tea: Submitter, it's climate change, not global warming.

You are the worst.

it is now called climate change after Gore was put in his place by scientists.

Gore is irrelevant. He made a movie. He's not the scientific community. The fact people keep bringing him up demonstrates that they'd rather throw out red herrings than actually deal with the facts.

Climate change and global warming are two different things.

Global warming is when the planet heats up. Climate change are the changes in the climate because of that.

This is very straight forward.


Or, to be more specific...

i50.tinypic.com
 
2012-12-20 11:30:11 AM

Deep Contact: [i.telegraph.co.uk image 620x413]


"I came"
 
2012-12-20 11:31:00 AM
One of the smartest guys I know is quite conservative and a skeptic.  But even he concedes, "It can't have been a good thing to increase the partial pressure of CO2 by 50%."
 
2012-12-20 11:31:22 AM
chimp_ninja:

maxheck: chimp_ninja:

From the looks of it, Svante Ahrrhenius frowns on EVERYTHING!

Shenanigans were at historically high levels in the 1890s.


So, just as he predicted, we've come full circle...

(frowns)
 
2012-12-20 11:34:41 AM

Tatterdemalian: Brave New Reich Of Tomorrow


It's only a matter of time before some bagger decides that science == Hitler.
 
2012-12-20 11:37:10 AM

Lesbian-Jesus: There is a HUGE difference between a windchill of -47 and a temperature of -47.

It was -37 here in a North American city yesterday morning and below -30 for most of the month. On the other side, it is sad what is happening, the big difference here is we can afford all the insulation and high tech clothing and car heaters we need.


You mean the stuff that when manufactured generates CO2?
The only way to reduce human CO2 production is genocide.
 
All the rest is just redistribution of wealth by carpet bagging Profiteers.
Not a farking thing anyone can do to even slow CO2 production in the Real World.
 
I am patiently waiting for ANY realistic solution that does not involve short sighted amoral profitizing.
 
2012-12-20 11:37:28 AM

Drasancas: trey101: make me some tea: Submitter, it's climate change, not global warming.

You are the worst.

it is now called climate change after Gore was put in his place by scientists.

Gore is irrelevant. He made a movie. He's not the scientific community. The fact people keep bringing him up demonstrates that they'd rather throw out red herrings than actually deal with the facts.

Climate change and global warming are two different things.

Global warming is when the planet heats up. Climate change are the changes in the climate because of that.

This is very straight forward.


I think it would've been better had Gore stayed out of the fray on climate change, honestly. With that film, he turned a scientific theory based on decades of data into a partisan battle. It may have already been somewhat partisan before he got involved, but his profile gave the Right a way to demonize it using Gore as their whipping boy. Al Gore is still the first thing that comes out of their mouth whenever the subject is brought up. This has nothing to do with politics, it's farking physics.
 
2012-12-20 11:39:30 AM
i1239.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-20 11:39:38 AM

make me some tea: Drasancas: trey101: make me some tea: Submitter, it's climate change, not global warming.

You are the worst.

it is now called climate change after Gore was put in his place by scientists.

Gore is irrelevant. He made a movie. He's not the scientific community. The fact people keep bringing him up demonstrates that they'd rather throw out red herrings than actually deal with the facts.

Climate change and global warming are two different things.

Global warming is when the planet heats up. Climate change are the changes in the climate because of that.

This is very straight forward.

I think it would've been better had Gore stayed out of the fray on climate change, honestly. With that film, he turned a scientific theory based on decades of data into a partisan battle. It may have already been somewhat partisan before he got involved, but his profile gave the Right a way to demonize it using Gore as their whipping boy. Al Gore is still the first thing that comes out of their mouth whenever the subject is brought up. This has nothing to do with politics, it's farking physics.


W/o the film, he doesn't get the Nobel he was promised for going away after winning against The Shrub.
 
2012-12-20 11:39:39 AM
i45.tinypic.com
 
2012-12-20 11:40:29 AM

Wayne 985: [i1239.photobucket.com image 300x225]


Well, Pilgrim, this is Fark. You lost?
 
2012-12-20 11:41:00 AM

make me some tea: It may have already been somewhat partisan before he got involved, but his profile gave the Right a way to demonize it using Gore as their whipping boy.


It has been my experience that the right needs no invitation to demonize reality, especially when it threatens the Big Oil plutocrats whose dicks they worship. I've never seen a conservatard conspiracy theory about global warming that isn't at least an order of magnitude more impressive than anything the conspirators have been accused of actually doing with it.
 
2012-12-20 11:41:25 AM
Global warmingz!

So take away all the gunz!

So more people survive!

And we can accelerate it!!!
 
2012-12-20 11:41:26 AM
i48.tinypic.com
 
2012-12-20 11:42:48 AM

Zasteva: trey101: make me some tea: Submitter, it's climate change, not global warming. You are the worst.

it is now called climate change after Gore was put in his place by scientists.

Actually when I was in college studying this stuff in the early 90s this was a topic of conversation, that is, the idea that "Global Climate Change" was a better name for the phenomenon because while the "Global Warming" was the net effect, that would confuse many people who would just expect that everything would get warmer, whereas actually we would see dramatic changes in weather patterns (aka climate). Gore didn't become a target for the anti-science crowd until 2006 when his movie was released.


It's also worth noting that the scientific community has been using "climate change" or "anthropogenic climate change" (a subset of the former) as the preferred nomenclature in journals for decades. Here's a link to a Science article from 1979 by Carl Sagan illustrating this.

There was never any moment where some unspecified "they" changed the terminology on everyone for whatever reason.
 
2012-12-20 11:43:48 AM

Drasancas: blatz514: We're getting a foot of snow today. Suck it

Strangely, that's bound to happen when you take a planet of mostly water and crank up the heat a bit. That makes much more water vapor, and all you need are regions that are still
It's not like snow production is a directly proportional line to temperature. It's more of a bell curve that starts at zero, goes up to some maximum amount, and then drops again, and depending on what side of that curve your region starts, an increase in global temperature can produce either more or less snow locally.

Some of the driest, least precipitation places on the planet are in ultra-cold areas, because there isn't enough heat to produce water vapor in the air.


I was merely saying that we are getting a shiatload of snow and I have the day off. Win!
 
2012-12-20 11:44:47 AM

chimp_ninja: thornhill: ZOMG! Winter is cold, thus, climate change is not happening. Somebody take a picture of Al Gore's book in the snow.

Hrm. No one has arrived to post that Al Gore is fat therefore climate change is God's way of keeping Urantia out of our brainwaves. Suspicious.


I will. Al Gore is fat. And Urantia was a damn good book, if a tad long and without a plot.
 
2012-12-20 11:45:02 AM
Well that settles it. I'm gonna BBQ me a whale over a patch of burning rainforest, you know, to help the poor cold Russians.

/ not really
// weather != climate.
 
2012-12-20 11:46:05 AM

snocone: I am patiently waiting for ANY realistic solution that does not involve short sighted amoral profitizing.


Princeton's Stabilization Wedges, as one example of many. It's been pointed out to you before, but you seem to want to pretend that such plans do not exist for some reason.
 
2012-12-20 11:46:17 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Tatterdemalian: Brave New Reich Of Tomorrow

It's only a matter of time before some bagger decides that science == Hitler.


I'd say it's only a matter of time before someone forgets that, between the fall of the Weimar Republic and the start of WWII, everyone did in fact believe that Hitler == science, but as the famous "Would we have allowed Hitler to host the Olympics?" protest photo shows, that ship already sailed years ago.

/those who forget their history are doomed to repeat it
//those who rewrite their history won't even understand why it keeps repeating
 
2012-12-20 11:48:04 AM
Russia's interior minister has warned all hot females to stay indoors. All other get your asskies back to workskei.
 
2012-12-20 11:48:20 AM
Last one and i'm giving up here. 
 
i50.tinypic.com
 
2012-12-20 11:48:44 AM

The Irresponsible Captain: There's going to be some glass-cutting nipples on some of those Russian girls.

[msnbcmedia.msn.com image 600x424]


I think you underestimate just how cold it really is; I bet they could cut diamonds.
 
2012-12-20 11:49:02 AM

Galloping Galoshes: The Irresponsible Captain: There's going to be some glass-cutting nipples on some of those Russian girls.

 
[msnbcmedia.msn.com image 600x424]
 
The one on the right is cuter, but obviously lethaly stupid. No hat or gloves
 
Lethally stupid is right. That's how Windir died. Went for a walk in Norway to visit his mom, died of hypothermia. Took the searchers three days to find his body. When I went to live in Norway, there was NO WAY you were getting my Cali girl butt out of the house without some serious arctic type clothing on my bod. I was in the far South, too. Shoulda seen it when I went to visit a friend and her family in the far North, above the arctic circle. I thought I was gonna die the minute I left her bro's car and started dashing for the house, doing a frantic "let me in, let me in!" dance. Or, as others would call it, "completely spazzing out". 
 
It can get seriously cold in those types of places. They're not anywhere you'd want to be homeless, that's for sure. That would be a death sentence. 
 
/laughed when her cousin fainted in the heat after walking out of the airport,  coming to Sacramento from Norway
//then took pity and just dragged her to the car and poured some bottled water on her
///"wake up, dudette! wake up!" with the water seemed to work very well, as she is still alive
 
2012-12-20 11:51:06 AM

chimp_ninja: Zasteva: trey101: make me some tea: Submitter, it's climate change, not global warming. You are the worst.

it is now called climate change after Gore was put in his place by scientists.

Actually when I was in college studying this stuff in the early 90s this was a topic of conversation, that is, the idea that "Global Climate Change" was a better name for the phenomenon because while the "Global Warming" was the net effect, that would confuse many people who would just expect that everything would get warmer, whereas actually we would see dramatic changes in weather patterns (aka climate). Gore didn't become a target for the anti-science crowd until 2006 when his movie was released.

It's also worth noting that the scientific community has been using "climate change" or "anthropogenic climate change" (a subset of the former) as the preferred nomenclature in journals for decades. Here's a link to a Science article from 1979 by Carl Sagan illustrating this.

There was never any moment where some unspecified "they" changed the terminology on everyone for whatever reason.


I think pop culture favored "global warming" because it sounds more dramatic than climate change.
 
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