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(BBC)   Russia to ban adoptions by Americans due to the "poor human rights record" of the US   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 71
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2012-12-20 05:18:25 AM  
Says the country who put Pussy Riot in prison.
 
2012-12-20 05:31:51 AM  

themindiswatching: Says the country who put Pussy Riot in prison.

 
It's pretty goddamn hard to argue that we have a good human rights record though.  We don't have a good historical one, much less current.
 
2012-12-20 05:38:45 AM  

GAT_00: themindiswatching: Says the country who put Pussy Riot in prison.
 
It's pretty goddamn hard to argue that we have a good human rights record though.  We don't have a good historical one, much less current.


I like to think that it was better before the neocons were in charge (but after the Civil Rights Act got passed).
 
2012-12-20 06:31:57 AM  

themindiswatching: GAT_00: themindiswatching: Says the country who put Pussy Riot in prison.
 
It's pretty goddamn hard to argue that we have a good human rights record though.  We don't have a good historical one, much less current.

I like to think that it was better before the neocons were in charge (but after the Civil Rights Act got passed).


Slavery.  Obliterating a continent's worth of natives.  It took until 1964 until we treated black people as human.  It took until 1920 before we let women vote.
 
The US has never had a good or even mediocre human rights record.
 
2012-12-20 07:16:45 AM  
now you are engaging in torture now as well.
 
2012-12-20 07:35:26 AM  

GAT_00: Obliterating a continent's worth of natives


Disease did that for us. We just mopped up the scragglers.

100 million people did plague slay on the Americas. Hitler? Stalin? Mao? Pikers before the almighty germ.
 
2012-12-20 09:53:27 AM  
Problem?
 
2012-12-20 09:57:05 AM  
Will Russian brides still be available?
 
2012-12-20 09:58:28 AM  

themindiswatching: GAT_00: themindiswatching: Says the country who put Pussy Riot in prison.
 
It's pretty goddamn hard to argue that we have a good human rights record though.  We don't have a good historical one, much less current.

I like to think that it was better before the neocons were in charge (but after the Civil Rights Act got passed).


Remind me again which President signed law authorizing indefinite detention without trial of American citizens (besides Lincoln)...
 
2012-12-20 09:59:03 AM  
Can we still marry their women? Because I just wired $1000 to Natalia so she could get a passport. She's 28 and she loves me, even though we've never met.
 
2012-12-20 10:00:55 AM  
This from a country that invented the gulag, where police brutality is standard operating procedure, and oh yeah....sent soldiers into battle untrained with every OTHER soldier carrying a rifle. Yes, yes, this is like Dr. Mengele calling Dr. Kevorkian a "monster".
 
2012-12-20 10:01:05 AM  

GAT_00: The US has never had a good or even mediocre human rights record.


Except when compared to just about every other country in the history of the world.

Are we perfect? Far from! But your analysis of our human rights record has zero context.
 
2012-12-20 10:02:07 AM  

CarnySaur: Can we still marry their women? Because I just wired $1000 to Natalia so she could get a passport. She's 28 and she loves me, even though we've never met.


A Russian woman will love you even harder for a bottle of vodka and a green card.
 
2012-12-20 10:03:01 AM  
I wouldn't let us either up until now. Now that there's FartbeeferMcQueeferCare.
 
2012-12-20 10:04:23 AM  

ArkAngel: themindiswatching: GAT_00: themindiswatching: Says the country who put Pussy Riot in prison.

It's pretty goddamn hard to argue that we have a good human rights record though.  We don't have a good historical one, much less current.

I like to think that it was better before the neocons were in charge (but after the Civil Rights Act got passed).

Remind me again which President signed law authorizing indefinite detention without trial of American citizens (besides Lincoln)...


The one who had to ensure that we would continue paying the military and fund our defense? Why don't you take it up with the a-holes who attached the provision to a Defense Authorization?
 
2012-12-20 10:05:12 AM  

BatardAmericain: This from a country that invented the gulag, where police brutality is standard operating procedure, and oh yeah....sent soldiers into battle untrained with every OTHER soldier carrying a rifle. Yes, yes, this is like Dr. Mengele calling Dr. Kevorkian a "monster".


Obviously Romney was right. Russia is our biggest enemy and Fartbummerer doesn't care about this human tragedy.

Romney, I'm so sorry I didn't vote for you... in 1912.
 
2012-12-20 10:09:07 AM  
Yea, it has to do with the "poor human rights record" of the US. That's the ticket!
 
2012-12-20 10:10:00 AM  
Throw them some blue jeans and a few rolls of toilet paper and they'll do whatever we tell them to do.

This is 1982, isn't it?
 
2012-12-20 10:10:41 AM  
I see Putin is as masterful a troll as ever.
 
2012-12-20 10:10:48 AM  

BatardAmericain: This from a country that invented the gulag, where police brutality is standard operating procedure, and oh yeah....sent soldiers into battle untrained with every OTHER soldier carrying a rifle.


Heh. With machine guns manned by "political officers" aimed at their backs.
 
2012-12-20 10:11:00 AM  
The Asians ones are cheaper and end up with high levels of education anyways.
 
2012-12-20 10:11:37 AM  

Cletus C.: Throw them some blue jeans and a few rolls of toilet paper and they'll do whatever we tell them to do.

This is 1982, isn't it?


Ohhhh, you missed it by just one year.

www.angryflower.com
 
2012-12-20 10:13:10 AM  

GAT_00: themindiswatching: Says the country who put Pussy Riot in prison.

It's pretty goddamn hard to argue that we have a good human rights record though.  We don't have a good historical one, much less current.


Going back over the entire history of the US, it is very hard to argue against.

/have you ever heard Pussy Riot's music? You'd put them in jail too.
 
2012-12-20 10:15:19 AM  

Cletus C.: Throw them some blue jeans and a few rolls of toilet paper and they'll do whatever we tell them to do.

This is 1982, isn't it?


Romney sure did think so.
 
2012-12-20 10:15:25 AM  

BatardAmericain: This from a country that invented the gulag, where police brutality is standard operating procedure, and oh yeah....sent soldiers into battle untrained with every OTHER soldier carrying a rifle. Yes, yes, this is like Dr. Mengele calling Dr. Kevorkian a "monster".


1 and 2 are good points. 3 was simply doing what had to be done to kill Hitler. They did kill something like twice as many german soldiers as the rest of the allies.

As for the slavery argument: the Russian Empire had serfs until the early 1800's. Sure, they got rid of that fifty years before the US ended slavery, but they also started it a few centuries earlier.
 
2012-12-20 10:17:48 AM  

GAT_00: themindiswatching: GAT_00: themindiswatching: Says the country who put Pussy Riot in prison.

It's pretty goddamn hard to argue that we have a good human rights record though.  We don't have a good historical one, much less current.

I like to think that it was better before the neocons were in charge (but after the Civil Rights Act got passed).

Slavery.  Obliterating a continent's worth of natives.  It took until 1964 until we treated black people as human.  It took until 1920 before we let women vote.

The US has never had a good or even mediocre human rights record.


Then you'd better get out there and warn the hundreds of millions of recent immigrants, those who are trying to become immigrants, and those would drop everything to get themselves and their families here ASAP. "Stay away, things are terrible here!"

Once again you prove that you're just another whiny little biatch whose guilt about living such a sheltered life means you think that the only appropriate response to right-wing jingoism is to jump to the extreme opposite end of the derp spectrum. Do we have a checkered history? Hell, yes. Do we still have a lot of work to do? Hell, yes. But unlike a good portion of the world, we're making steady progress. So until you've spent considerable time overseas (and I don't mean a three-month student exchange trip living in a wealthy part of Quito where you totally got real with the locals) seeing how the other 90% live, and/or have managed to convince some of the thousands of Hmong refugees in Minneapolis that they're worse off here, you can sit down, get a sense of proportion and enjoy a nice hot cup of STFU.
 
2012-12-20 10:19:34 AM  

chuggernaught: GAT_00: themindiswatching: Says the country who put Pussy Riot in prison.

It's pretty goddamn hard to argue that we have a good human rights record though.  We don't have a good historical one, much less current.

Going back over the entire history of the US, it is very hard to argue against.

/have you ever heard Pussy Riot's music? You'd put them in jail too.


dvdmedia.ign.com

/pretty accurate satire of actual American pop music
 
2012-12-20 10:31:55 AM  

GAT_00: Slavery. Obliterating a continent's worth of natives. It took until 1964 until we treated black people as human. It took until 1920 before we let women vote.

The US has never had a good or even mediocre human rights record.


And next you'll follow that up with "But who is Russia to say anything about it? Seeing as how they have the worst human rights record of the 20th century after China"
 
2012-12-20 10:32:59 AM  
Russia is a pain in the ass on everything. The hassle of getting a tourist visa is a human rights violation.
 
2012-12-20 10:33:54 AM  

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: GAT_00: themindiswatching: GAT_00: themindiswatching:

Then you'd better get out there and warn the hundreds of millions of recent immigrants, those who are trying to become immigrants, and those would drop everything to get themselves and their families here ASAP. "Stay away, things are terrible here!"

Once again you prove that you're just another whiny little biatch whose guilt about living such a sheltered life means you think that the only appropriate response to right-wing jingoism is to jump to the extreme opposite end of the derp spectrum. Do we have a checkered history? Hell, yes. Do we still have a lot of work to do? Hell, yes. But unlike a good portion of the world, we're making steady progress. So until you've spent considerable time overseas (and I don't mean a three-month student exchange trip living in a wealthy part of Quito where you totally got real with the locals) seeing how the other 90% live, and/or have managed to convince some of the thousands of Hmong refugees in Minneapolis that they're worse off here, you can sit down, get a sense of proportion and enjoy a nice hot cup of STFU.


That's my favorite part.
 
2012-12-20 10:40:28 AM  
Have any other countries convicted child soldiers of war crimes? IIRC even members of the Hitler Youth and other under 18's involved with the nazis' activities were let off.
 
2012-12-20 10:48:15 AM  

themindiswatching: GAT_00: themindiswatching: Says the country who put Pussy Riot in prison.
 
It's pretty goddamn hard to argue that we have a good human rights record though.  We don't have a good historical one, much less current.

I like to think that it was better before the neocons were in charge (but after the Civil Rights Act got passed).


There's lots of things we would all LIKE to think.
 
2012-12-20 10:49:24 AM  

GAT_00: themindiswatching: GAT_00: themindiswatching: Says the country who put Pussy Riot in prison.

It's pretty goddamn hard to argue that we have a good human rights record though.  We don't have a good historical one, much less current.

I like to think that it was better before the neocons were in charge (but after the Civil Rights Act got passed).

Slavery.  Obliterating a continent's worth of natives.  It took until 1964 until we treated black people as human.  It took until 1920 before we let women vote.

The US has never had a good or even mediocre human rights record.


If you are going with that then NO country has a good human rights track record. Everyone has skeletons in their closet.
 
2012-12-20 10:51:00 AM  
Nothing can go to the heart of the tribal divide in America better than something like this.  They're right.  We do have a lousy human rights record.  Of course, their record is worse, in some areas far, far worse.
 
But the "USA! America is always right! (Except of course for all of the anti-American America haters who should be shipped off to China)" crowd suffers an extreme allergic reaction to statements like this.  They have to run down to their lair in mom's basement and huff their asthma breathers for 20 minutes before their swollen fingers are in shape to bang out their outrage.
 
I suppose that, if America were more manly, our human rights record would be acceptable.  Maybe we should have a policy that only gay male couples can adopt Russian kids?
 
2012-12-20 10:58:59 AM  
Where am I going to acquire white children from
 
2012-12-20 11:03:49 AM  

sweetmelissa31: Where am I going to acquire white children from


with 0bamas push for birth control they will become collectors items
 
2012-12-20 11:05:37 AM  
Russia calling out the US on human rights is like Pot burning a cross on Kettle's lawn...
 
2012-12-20 11:05:46 AM  

sweetmelissa31: Where am I going to acquire white children from


Should be more common in the states clamping down on abortion, try Kansas.
 
2012-12-20 11:09:51 AM  

GAT_00: themindiswatching: Says the country who put Pussy Riot in prison.

It's pretty goddamn hard to argue that we have a good human rights record though.  We don't have a good historical one, much less current.


It's pretty mixed. We used WWII as leverage to end colonialism around the world--that's good. But we also used it to intern Japanese Americans, stifled dissent of the war, and built up clandestine services that would suppress self-determination throughout the world. That's bad.

We founded the UN, but ignore it whenever we feel like it. We were one of the first countries on Earth to have a written, non-negotiable Bill of Rights...that we've negotiated on non-stop ever since. We make really strong pushes to fight disease in Africa, but blow up other parts of the continent and sit on the sidelines while genocides occur...
 
2012-12-20 11:21:09 AM  
The article fails to mention that Putin wasn't wearing a shirt while being interviewed.
 
2012-12-20 11:32:44 AM  
Note to Americans. Do not adopt Russian orphans. The Russians have an atrocious humanitarian record and their adoption/orphanage/foster system is abysmal. Children unfortunate enough to be in that system are badly treated and will have serious problems. In addition, the Russians will deliberately try to offload psychopaths and other troubled kids onto you to get rid of them, and will have no trouble lying to you about it.

Naturally, like many other messed up cultures, the Russians will blame others for their own failures both as a defense mechanism and a way to shore up their own populaces support for their craptacular system.
 
2012-12-20 11:34:02 AM  

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: GAT_00: themindiswatching: Says the country who put Pussy Riot in prison.

It's pretty goddamn hard to argue that we have a good human rights record though.  We don't have a good historical one, much less current.

It's pretty mixed. We used WWII as leverage to end colonialism around the world--that's good.

 
You might want to read up on Theodore Roosevelt.  "The War Lovers" and "The Imperial Cruise" are two books I've read recently.  Roosevelt carried some very weird ideas that were prevalent in the right wing in those days:  The world was destined to be ruled by Teutons (code for "Aryans"), specifically, white Anglo Saxon men, who were "naturally" fitted for government and liberty, and they were free to use <i>any</i> methods to achieve their ends, including torture.  You may recall talk during the Iraq war about how we had used waterboarding during our occupation of the Phillipines.  That was under Roosevelt, and he was an enthusiastic supporter of such methods (along with burning villages and killing the men, and herding women and children into concentration camps where partisans were active).  But that fact hasn't received much attention, because Roosevelt is semi-canonized.  His administration's propaganda painted Filipinos as African monkeys who were barely able to take care of themselves.  It's so revolting that it's almost comical.
 
He got the weird idea that the Japanese were "honorary Anglo Saxons" who had the same inborn destiny to lead--plus he hated the Chinese, who were not amenable to his plans for the Far East--so he worked assiduously to convince them that they really ought to go occupy Korea (but hands off the Phillipines!) and control China.  Using <i>any methods necessary</i>, because they were after all destined to lead.
 
He found willing ears.  No doubt he would have been astonished, if he'd lived long enough, to see that the Japanese quickly decided that they would devise their own imperial policies, rather than bend and shape them to the needs at any given moment of American policy.  He was a deluded, vain fool, arrogantly confident in his ability to control international fires after he helped to set them.
 
(If you think I'm making any of this up or exaggerating, it's all documented.)
 
So you could say that, without his prodding, the Pacific war might never have happened.  Japan was still quite insular and uninterested in what happened outside of Japan, until they started hearing suggestions that a Japanese empire was their destiny, and received assurances that America would not only turn a blind eye, but applaud them.  At the very least, he sure as hell didn't help to promote peaceful relations in Asia.
 
At any rate, we did not fight WWII to end colonialism.  England held onto India when the war ended, the French re-established their colonial holdings.  European colonialism eroded well after the war, and that was only because the colonial powers were feeble and unable to maintain their grip against rising nationalist movements.
 
We fought Japan because we were attacked.  We fought Germany because Germany declared war on us.  One of the interesting questions is what would have happened if Hitler hadn't brainlessly piled on a few days after Pearl Harbor.  And if Japan had never turned its eye toward Asian dominance?  Then it's really hard to imagine just what would have happened.
 
By the way, the two books I cite also have the virtues of being really interesting, enjoyable books.  This is in contrast to "The Twentieth Century" by Paul Johnson, who rightly points out that the west both set very poor examples for international behavior, and recklessly encouraged imperialism on the part of Japan, although he prefers to blame Woodrow Wilson (and every other liberal) rather than the Republican Rough Rider hero Roosevelt.
 
2012-12-20 11:37:46 AM  
Good. Adopt homemade.
 
2012-12-20 11:38:34 AM  
Russians have been pretty pissed about adoptions to the US after that guy adopted the little Russian girl so he could spend 6 years raping her. And that Tennessee woman that just stuck her adopted kid on a plane to Moscow didn't help.

Not that the Russian government really cares about that stuff, but it makes the public happy and they get to retaliate for the US barring entry to Russian human rights violators.
 
2012-12-20 11:50:45 AM  

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: But unlike a good portion of the world, we're making steady progress


No, no you're not.

Between the PATRIOT act, the NDAA, SOPA/PIPA, torture, illegal wiretapping, extraordinary rendition, indiscriminate drone attacks the US has done anything but 'progress' especially when the last eleven years are taken into account.
 
2012-12-20 12:13:33 PM  

LargeCanine: Note to Americans. Do not adopt Russian orphans. The Russians have an atrocious humanitarian record and their adoption/orphanage/foster system is abysmal. Children unfortunate enough to be in that system are badly treated and will have serious problems. In addition, the Russians will deliberately try to offload psychopaths and other troubled kids onto you to get rid of them, and will have no trouble lying to you about it.

Naturally, like many other messed up cultures, the Russians will blame others for their own failures both as a defense mechanism and a way to shore up their own populaces support for their craptacular system.


There's a Russian adoptee girl in my daughter's first grade class who kicks, bites, yells "f*ck" constantly and hits other kids with chairs. The kids are terrified of her; we're hoping the school gets her the hell out of there.
 
2012-12-20 12:14:58 PM  

LargeCanine: Note to Americans. Do not adopt Russian orphans. The Russians have an atrocious humanitarian record and their adoption/orphanage/foster system is abysmal. Children unfortunate enough to be in that system are badly treated and will have serious problems. In addition, the Russians will deliberately try to offload psychopaths and other troubled kids onto you to get rid of them, and will have no trouble lying to you about it.

Naturally, like many other messed up cultures, the Russians will blame others for their own failures both as a defense mechanism and a way to shore up their own populaces support for their craptacular system.


Not sure why it took 40 posts to say this. Russia banning adoptions in the U.S. is a good thing for Americans trying to adopt.

Don't forget, after they offload a psychopath and you notice, there's no way in hell you're returning him. Why people would rather get a psychopath that's the same race rather than a normal kid with a different skin color, I don't know.
 
2012-12-20 12:19:01 PM  

LargeCanine: Note to Americans. Do not adopt Russian orphans. The Russians have an atrocious humanitarian record and their adoption/orphanage/foster system is abysmal. Children unfortunate enough to be in that system are badly treated and will have serious problems. In addition, the Russians will deliberately try to offload psychopaths and other troubled kids onto you to get rid of them, and will have no trouble lying to you about it.

Naturally, like many other messed up cultures, the Russians will blame others for their own failures both as a defense mechanism and a way to shore up their own populaces support for their craptacular system.


Awww, is someone mad that his once great country is now openly dissed by the russians?
 
2012-12-20 12:24:50 PM  
Oh my I appeared to have angered the Merica is perfect crowd.  Sorry to let history intrude guys.
 
2012-12-20 12:43:01 PM  

amoral: LargeCanine: Note to Americans. Do not adopt Russian orphans. The Russians have an atrocious humanitarian record and their adoption/orphanage/foster system is abysmal. Children unfortunate enough to be in that system are badly treated and will have serious problems. In addition, the Russians will deliberately try to offload psychopaths and other troubled kids onto you to get rid of them, and will have no trouble lying to you about it.

Naturally, like many other messed up cultures, the Russians will blame others for their own failures both as a defense mechanism and a way to shore up their own populaces support for their craptacular system.

Awww, is someone mad that his once great country is now openly dissed by the russians?


No, he's right. Russian orphanages are great at caring for the child's physical needs, but the babies spend up to 20 hours in their cribs without interaction or affection from caregivers, and this sort of treatment continues as the children get older. The orphanages are operating under the thinking that the children shouldn't form attachments since the orphanage should be a temporary home, but they're severely neglecting children emotionally and setting them up for a slew of emotional and behavioral problems that the adoptive parents then have to then deal with.

I have a friend who's parents adopted a Russian orphan around 3 years old. Despite tons of therapy, support from his family and even institutionalization the boy was homeless at 19 and committed suicide at 20. Stories like this are not uncommon.
 
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