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2012-12-20 12:11:33 PM
5 votes:
You mean many of them are just little kids with lots of energy that need to run around and burn that energy off instead of being confined to desks or set in front of a TV all day? Like many of us have been saying for years?
2012-12-20 11:30:31 AM
3 votes:
That headline is pretty spot-on. That's pretty much exactly what it's like trying to read when you have ADHD.
2012-12-21 11:20:29 AM
2 votes:

Moonlightfox: 30 odd years since the ritalin craze hit, and now "child behavioral scientists" have discovered that.. get this... if a kid has a lot of energy... and, stay with me here, instead of drugging him up and punishing him for having lots of energy, you let him simply EXPEND it, via this thing called BEING A CHILD, he will be more balanced and happy than a drugged-up emasculated special ed zombie?

NO farkING shiat.


I've been on meds half my life and I'm hardly an emasculated special ed zombie. I can look at an item and explode it down to its components in my mind and mentally see how it functions without knowing anything about it prior. I can hear a song and play it back on the piano, or if I'm handed an instrument I've never played before I can figure it out in five minutes. My drugs help me to control my barrage of thoughts and allow me to focus all my energy at once like a goddamn laser beam. I get deep into computer coding, writing programs that operate machinery to carve metal faster and more efficiently than any human hand.

but you seem to know everything's fake and an excuse for lazy parents so I won't preach to you, professor.
2012-12-20 08:58:22 PM
2 votes:

Moonfisher: You mean many of them are just little kids with lots of energy that need to run around and burn that energy off instead of being confined to desks or set in front of a TV all day? Like many of us have been saying for years?


Many of those kids grow to adults who can bike 15 miles in July heat, hang out with their boyfriend all afternoon/evening, bike another 5 miles, walk 10 and still stay up 'till 3:00 in the morning playing Forza 2 after getting home at midnight.... oh, and constantly asked whether or not they're on crack or meth, despite being very mellow when they finally sit down and talk with someone.

Trust me, not all people who say they have ADHD are full of shiat and if you say otherwise, I'll walk over there and kick you in the jimmy, even if you're in Chicago and I'm in Washington. :p
2012-12-20 05:27:02 PM
2 votes:

Bad_Seed: Wade_Wilson: Honest question from an ignorant person about ADHD drugs.

Like most drugs, do you eventually build up a resistance to them? And does that mean you need more powerful ones to get the same effect?

Most likely. ADHD drugs are just simple stimulants. Adderall is just good, old-fashioned amphetamines. Theoretically, you could treat ADHD with caffine, though, you' d probably need lots of it.

Anyway, you tend to build up tolerance to most types of stimulants, but if your goal is attention instead of getting high, then you have a lot of leeway to keep increasing the dose.


Actually, I recently read that one reason adults seem to "outgrow" ADD has nothing to do with outgrowing it but the prevalence of use of caffeine. Most adults with ADD get their treatment in their morning joe. People don't actually typically outgrow ADD, it looks like its a brain activation difference in dopamine regulation, that's not going to necessarily change just because you're old enough to vote.

Exercise seems to improve memory, and may release dopamine, adrenaline, and seratonin. The dopamine released by exercise seems like a primary reason it works for people with ADD.
2012-12-20 01:03:20 PM
2 votes:
ADHD the bane of my existence and it's savior.

The XKCD balloon comment summed it up rather nicely. Just trying to pull down balloons fast enough to keep things going.

I was diagnosed as a child but my parents didn't really believe in this new fangled nonsense so I never learned how to cope with it. I scraped by in school, Scraped by in college and now as an adult I still suffer from a lot of the same issues because I never learned hwo to cope.


The main problem I had and I still have with ADHD is that people have this vision of someone being unable to sit still. The "HYPERACTIVE" part of it screams that I should be bouncing off the walls and is why people get so caught up on "It's just kids being kids."

Outwardly, I seem very calm, probably even detached because it is difficult for me to interact with the world in a way that makes sense to most people. Internally I'm extremely scatter brained. I have to vent it occasionaly or it turns into a full out panic. But it's like having about 1000 ideas simultaneously and it's absolutely draining to try to follow through on any one of them.

So here I am now as an adult trying to get things under control to save my job... because what makes me great at my job the ability to thinking about things in multiple ways to see thigns differently than everyone else also makes it hard to keep everything organized remember to bill clients and meet deadlines.
2012-12-20 12:42:28 PM
2 votes:

Wade_Wilson: Honest question from an ignorant person about ADHD drugs.

Like most drugs, do you eventually build up a resistance to them? And does that mean you need more powerful ones to get the same effect?

Because that's what always worried me about giving those things to kids with ADHD. Seems to me that one of two things is going to happen. Either A) the kid is going to have to periodically switch to stronger and stronger drugs throughout his entire life or B) the kid will eventually have to stop taking them and learn to cope without, but later in life when they have real problems and much more stress.

It just always seemed to me that you'd be better off getting used to your symptoms when your biggest problem is whether to watch Power Rangers or play Pokemon, not when you need to worry about holding down a job or keeping up a GPA, and that the drugs are really more to help the parents cope than the kids.

Anyone have any insight on this?


It's not so much a tolerance to the effects as a lack of an ability to deal with the effects. I've been on Ritalin, Adderall, Adderall XR and the time-release Ritalin whose name eludes me at the moment. The one thing they all have in common is that they make your hands cold. The two, TWO things they have in common is that they make your hands cold, and they make whatever you happen to be doing at that moment the most fascinating thing anyone has ever done, ever. The ADD is still there, though, which means that you have to wrangle your focus onto whatever it is you're supposed to be doing. Once you can manage that, they are quite effective, but it's still easy to be sidetracked by minutiae. For example, I once missed a major report for work, while on Adderall, because I spent 3 hours designing the cover page. You have to watch for that sort of thing.

To more directly address your actual questions, I found that I didn't need to up my dose so much as just swap to a different med every year or two. If you have a shrink who keeps upping the dosage without offering alternatives, switch shrinks, because high dosages of these meds over long periods of time WILL screw you up. For a while I was on 60mg of Adderall XR a day. That's a very high dosage. I was productive on that dosage for several months, then my output started slipping as I kept seeking novelty in keep my drugged-up ADD brain occupied. I made poor decisions, because all alternatives seemed equally interesting AND doable. I had no sense of my own limitations. In addition I completely lost the need for the company of other people, actually going out of my way to deliberately avoid them as "distractions". It became a persistent social anxiety.

Eventually I figured out that I was getting seriously messed up, and I went off meds altogether for 3-4 years. It was rough; I had no physical withdrawal symptoms but I had to feign interest in everything, even hobbies that had been fascinating to me previously held no joy whatsoever. I got through it. Eventually I got on the time-release ritalin at a very low dose. That works very well for me.

tl;dr Don't take too much ADD medicine for too long, swap your ADD medicine periodically.
2012-12-20 10:53:36 PM
1 votes:

verteiron: Nah, reading something uninteresting with ADD is more like trying to have a conversation with someone across a crowded room while everyone else is trying to talk to you.

Exercise HEY may be HEY ARE YOU EVEN LISTENING TO ME? What? I SAID THERE'S A DUDE MOWING THE LAWN. Exercise may be HEY CHECK IT OUT, THE A/C CAME ON! So? IT'S ON, MAN! *sigh* Shut up already! Exercise may MAN THAT A/C REALLY RATTLES AROUND A LOT, HUH? good for DUDE WAS THAT THUNDER? may be good NAH, JUST A TRUCK. HEY, YOU SHOULD CHECK THE RADAR, MAYBE THERE'S A STORM COMING ANYWAY! WE LIKE STORMS, RIGHT? *sigh*

In fact, doing pretty much anything is like that, unless the hyper-focus kicks in... something over which there is no control.


THANK you!
2012-12-20 06:29:14 PM
1 votes:

Wade_Wilson: Like most drugs, do you eventually build up a resistance to them? And does that mean you need more powerful ones to get the same effect?


I started taking Ritalin in my 30s. I gather that you can build up a tolerance to it, and that some people do end up on a ramp to higher and higher doses.

But I also just don't take it on the weekends, when I have no trouble with things. ADD is sort of a failure to control attention, and I don't really have trouble focusing on what I like. So weekends are obviously easier than, say, a two-hour meeting about shiat I don't care about, where I end up watching the clock move and thinking about peanut butter instead of listening to the presenter. So I haven't had to move up from taking half of the smallest-available pills in the last three years. Like most things in life, a little sanity goes a long way-- if you can skip it now and then, you won't end up with a huge tolerance.

I wish I'd done it sooner, but like a lot of people, I spent my whole life believing it was overdiagnosed bullshiat. It's still overdiagnosed... but it's not bullshiat, and if you've really got it, the treatment is like magic.
2012-12-20 02:32:18 PM
1 votes:
ADHD seems like it would lead be an irritating sort of catch-22 scenario, even when there aren't other stimuli...

"OK, everyone, listen up..."
*Must concentrate...must concentrate...*
"...now REMEMBER that, everyone. That was important."
*SHIAT! What did he say? I need to stop concentrating on concentrating...*
"...is ESPECIALLY important. This is our jobs on the line, people!"
*FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!*
2012-12-20 02:28:06 PM
1 votes:

verteiron: Nah, reading something uninteresting with ADD is more like trying to have a conversation with someone across a crowded room while everyone else is trying to talk to you.

Exercise HEY may be HEY ARE YOU EVEN LISTENING TO ME? What? I SAID THERE'S A DUDE MOWING THE LAWN. Exercise may be HEY CHECK IT OUT, THE A/C CAME ON! So? IT'S ON, MAN! *sigh* Shut up already! Exercise may MAN THAT A/C REALLY RATTLES AROUND A LOT, HUH? good for DUDE WAS THAT THUNDER? may be good NAH, JUST A TRUCK. HEY, YOU SHOULD CHECK THE RADAR, MAYBE THERE'S A STORM COMING ANYWAY! WE LIKE STORMS, RIGHT? *sigh*

In fact, doing pretty much anything is like that, unless the hyper-focus kicks in... something over which there is no control.


I always thought hyper-focus tends to be fairly consistent to particular tasks for the given individual. E.G., video games, puzzles, etc. I still think ADHD isn't a disorder...it's just an intellectual trait that is geared towards certain activities over others, and simply doesn't jive too well with typical middle-upper class occupations or corporate culture. But that's just, like, my opinion, man.
2012-12-20 02:09:32 PM
1 votes:

JohnHall: I thought this was quite established and not new at all.

I am one of those non-hyper ADD kids. It really comes out when I've been drinking.


God, I have HATED trying to explain that to people. "But he's not bouncing off the walls!" "Yes, I know. There's two different... You stopped listening to me just now, didn't you?"
 
Good news: Speech impediment went entirely away with drugs. That's pretty farking cool. Exercise is definitely doable now, thank god.
2012-12-20 01:31:05 PM
1 votes:

wyldkard: incendi: That sounds more like senile dementia than ADHD, subs... but exercise is probably good for that, too. It's pretty much good for everything.

Yes, it needs something more like "fark it, let's go ride bikes!"


yeah, cause that's one dead horse that hasn't' been beaten many times over here on Fark.
2012-12-20 01:23:11 PM
1 votes:
Can we please downgrade this to an obvious tag?
2012-12-20 01:17:02 PM
1 votes:
In other news, this is something parents of boys have known for millennia.
2012-12-20 01:15:33 PM
1 votes:

verteiron: The one thing they all have in common is that they make your hands cold.


You know, I have never made the connection between the medication and cold hands. But you are exactly right.

Other side effects I have noticed and found others complaining of the same issues:

Jaw clenching
Increased nicotine cravings
Depression (this one took me a while, but I noticed that I would find myself despondent, especially later in the afternoon, but could not figure out why, as things would be going great.)


I have had to increase my medication multiple times, due to it just not working anymore. Even changing medications had little effect. (I'm no pharmacist, but my understanding is that the majority of them are methylphenidate, anyway.)

I've also noticed that I have to time the medicine correctly, so that I am already engaged in the correct activity when it kicks in. For example, I take it in the morning, just before my commute. If I were to sit down at my desk and start Farking, I can become way too focused on the wrong thing. (Frankly, the internet in general is horrible for ADD. There are too many rabbit holes to follow, and before you know it, hours are gone. Although I suspect many people can get caught in the same trap, ADD or no.)

I should probably increase my exercise, anyway. Maybe I should try chasing squirrels.
2012-12-20 01:13:58 PM
1 votes:
FTA: All of the children performed better on both tests after exercising, according to the study published recently in the Journal of Pediatrics.

Exercise is good for kids with ADHD...and kids without ADHD...and just about everyone else.

Who knew?
2012-12-20 01:12:26 PM
1 votes:

bluefoxicy: Wade_Wilson: Either A) the kid is going to have to periodically switch to stronger and stronger drugs throughout his entire life or B) the kid will eventually have to stop taking them and learn to cope without, but later in life when they have real problems and much more stress.

What actually happens is the drugs cause psychosis, so they eventually put you on risperdal while on the ritalin or methylphenedate or adderall. Then if you quit taking the drugs, you have a constant low-level psychotic episode for years. Paranoia, voices, mood swings, depression, annoyances and insecurities turning into triggers for mass-murder, the works. Years down the line, you realize the symptoms of ADHD drain away with the psychosis, which slowly bleeds off over half a decade or so once you stop taking the drugs--the drugs cause the problem.



[citation needed]
2012-12-20 12:45:53 PM
1 votes:

verteiron: Nah, reading something uninteresting with ADD is more like trying to have a conversation with someone across a crowded room while everyone else is trying to talk to you.

Exercise HEY may be HEY ARE YOU EVEN LISTENING TO ME? What? I SAID THERE'S A DUDE MOWING THE LAWN. Exercise may be HEY CHECK IT OUT, THE A/C CAME ON! So? IT'S ON, MAN! *sigh* Shut up already! Exercise may MAN THAT A/C REALLY RATTLES AROUND A LOT, HUH? good for DUDE WAS THAT THUNDER? may be good NAH, JUST A TRUCK. HEY, YOU SHOULD CHECK THE RADAR, MAYBE THERE'S A STORM COMING ANYWAY! WE LIKE STORMS, RIGHT? *sigh*

In fact, doing pretty much anything is like that, unless the hyper-focus kicks in... something over which there is no control.


Yeah, the best way I can describe it is it's not that I necessarily zone out or go off daydreaming, it's that I *can't tune out external stimuli*. Which, to be fair, would arguably be an advantadge in a hunter-gatherer society (I seem to be a LOT more aware of my surroundings, when I'm not medicated), but not terribely useful when taking a class...

Wade_Wilson: Honest question from an ignorant person about ADHD drugs.

Like most drugs, do you eventually build up a resistance to them? And does that mean you need more powerful ones to get the same effect?

Because that's what always worried me about giving those things to kids with ADHD. Seems to me that one of two things is going to happen. Either A) the kid is going to have to periodically switch to stronger and stronger drugs throughout his entire life or B) the kid will eventually have to stop taking them and learn to cope without, but later in life when they have real problems and much more stress.

It just always seemed to me that you'd be better off getting used to your symptoms when your biggest problem is whether to watch Power Rangers or play Pokemon, not when you need to worry about holding down a job or keeping up a GPA, and that the drugs are really more to help the parents cope than the kids.

Anyone have any insight on this?


I'm not sure if I can help much here, but... I'm honestly not sure, actually. It may also be difficult to answer: I suspect what we call "ADHD" is actually from an amalgam of sources (That is, there are many different things that may be presenting simillar symptoms), ranging from genetic in some people to environmental in others, which is why some meds seem to 'work' for some people, and others don't.

I do agree that it is VERY IMPORTANT for kids to learn coping mechanisms as kids, but the medication helped me a lot, too. As I recall, we agreed to have me on meds on school days, but summer, weekends, and breaks I was off meds, and more just trying to develop and learn coping mechanisms in that time. But meds can be really important and helpful, especially when I was too young to really understand how to form good coping mechanisms (and incapable of meta-cognition).
2012-12-20 12:43:02 PM
1 votes:

torusXL: verteiron: Nah, reading something uninteresting with ADD is more like trying to have a conversation with someone across a crowded room while everyone else is trying to talk to you.

Exercise HEY may be HEY ARE YOU EVEN LISTENING TO ME? What? I SAID THERE'S A DUDE MOWING THE LAWN. Exercise may be HEY CHECK IT OUT, THE A/C CAME ON! So? IT'S ON, MAN! *sigh* Shut up already! Exercise may MAN THAT A/C REALLY RATTLES AROUND A LOT, HUH? good for DUDE WAS THAT THUNDER? may be good NAH, JUST A TRUCK. HEY, YOU SHOULD CHECK THE RADAR, MAYBE THERE'S A STORM COMING ANYWAY! WE LIKE STORMS, RIGHT? *sigh*

In fact, doing pretty much anything is like that, unless the hyper-focus kicks in... something over which there is no control.

Pretty much.

I like to compare it to having thousands of ideas buzzing around your head like bees.

I'M COVERED IN IDEAS


it's like having five boomboxes in a room, all playing different speeches at the same volume, and trying to focus on one of them while a flock of midgets runs around you in circles poking you with sticks intermittently.
2012-12-20 12:31:28 PM
1 votes:
When I was in high school, we had a few kids who had pretty bad ADHD. Whenever they started getting disruptive or finding class more difficult, the teachers would tell them to run a lap or two around the campus (Two laps was about a mile). They'd come back in 7-10 minutes later, settle down, and be able to finish out the class. It worked wonders for their attention span and their grades.

I've heard in some places making kids run is now considered a form of abuse and won't be tolerated.
2012-12-20 12:26:28 PM
1 votes:
Honest question from an ignorant person about ADHD drugs.

Like most drugs, do you eventually build up a resistance to them? And does that mean you need more powerful ones to get the same effect?

Because that's what always worried me about giving those things to kids with ADHD. Seems to me that one of two things is going to happen. Either A) the kid is going to have to periodically switch to stronger and stronger drugs throughout his entire life or B) the kid will eventually have to stop taking them and learn to cope without, but later in life when they have real problems and much more stress.

It just always seemed to me that you'd be better off getting used to your symptoms when your biggest problem is whether to watch Power Rangers or play Pokemon, not when you need to worry about holding down a job or keeping up a GPA, and that the drugs are really more to help the parents cope than the kids.

Anyone have any insight on this?
2012-12-20 12:19:41 PM
1 votes:
Try obvious.

I never understood why schools cut recess shorter and shorter, then we wonder why they were having trouble with their students (especially the boys)
2012-12-20 12:18:51 PM
1 votes:
Nah, reading something uninteresting with ADD is more like trying to have a conversation with someone across a crowded room while everyone else is trying to talk to you.

Exercise HEY may be HEY ARE YOU EVEN LISTENING TO ME? What? I SAID THERE'S A DUDE MOWING THE LAWN. Exercise may be HEY CHECK IT OUT, THE A/C CAME ON! So? IT'S ON, MAN! *sigh* Shut up already! Exercise may MAN THAT A/C REALLY RATTLES AROUND A LOT, HUH? good for DUDE WAS THAT THUNDER? may be good NAH, JUST A TRUCK. HEY, YOU SHOULD CHECK THE RADAR, MAYBE THERE'S A STORM COMING ANYWAY! WE LIKE STORMS, RIGHT? *sigh*

In fact, doing pretty much anything is like that, unless the hyper-focus kicks in... something over which there is no control.
2012-12-20 12:10:42 PM
1 votes:
New study says exercise good for fat kids.
2012-12-20 12:09:33 PM
1 votes:
I thought this was quite established and not new at all.

I am one of those non-hyper ADD kids. It really comes out when I've been drinking.
2012-12-20 09:49:56 AM
1 votes:
That sounds more like senile dementia than ADHD, subs... but exercise is probably good for that, too. It's pretty much good for everything.
 
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