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2012-12-20 11:23:03 AM

Phinn: Wow, you must have special access to unreported evidence.


They were in a shoving match, as reported. It used to be that shoving matches resulted in bruises, hot tempers, and maybe a broken bone. Now it is a death sentence.

Only because this hot-head is a terrible shot is the other hot-head not dead. Two round, point blank range over a f*cking pizza wait? There's plenty of evidence implicit in the story: there was only one man with a gun, and it was coincidentally the only one fearing for his life. Notice that the shooter wasn't under arrest at the hospital because of his grievous beating injuries... Surprise!
 
2012-12-20 11:23:17 AM

Phinn: factoryconnection: This guy seemed to think he was going to get shoved to death.

Wow, you must have special access to unreported evidence.

Go ahead -- prove that the shooter did not reasonably believe the other man posed an imminent threat of death or serious bodily injury.

Take your time.


http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/man-shot-at-st-pete-p i zza-joint-had-been-complaining-about-slow-service/1266589
"He told officers he feared for his life. He mentioned that he thought White had an object in his hand, then backed off that when officers pressed him. "

If he believed his life to be in danger it is because he is a paranoid individual that has no business being in possession of a firearm.
 
2012-12-20 11:23:49 AM

tricycleracer: This is why the law is bullshiat.

1. Talk shiat to someone.
2. They walk towards you.
3. Shoot them.


Exactly. Just like Zimmerman asshole. I don't care if Trayvon was selling crack to babby's. He started a fight he couldn't finish. The worst that would have happened was he took a beatdown (which he deserved). Instead the kid is dead.
 
2012-12-20 11:24:26 AM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: GanjSmokr: BAN...something.... !!  Or at the very least, think of the children....

If it'll help, I'm okay with banning Little Caesers.


I'll second that. That has GOT to be the worst pizza ever.
 
2012-12-20 11:25:34 AM

Mattyb710: The law in Florida is if you are in fear for your life or fear of grievous bodily harm. In real life, unlike the movies, a punch to the head can cause grievous bodily harm, or even death.


We've turned into a nation of pussies and guns are helping.
 
2012-12-20 11:25:35 AM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: GanjSmokr: BAN...something.... !!  Or at the very least, think of the children....

If it'll help, I'm okay with banning Little Caesers.


Well, this never would have happened if Little Caesers had already been banned... I'm with you. Ban Little Caesers.
 
2012-12-20 11:25:47 AM

here to help: How many more kids are you willing to let get massacred before admitting that you are WRONG!


How many people are you willing to be raped, robbed, beaten and killed because they were prohibited from using the tool they needed to defend themselves?

Why are you so in favor of allowing rapists, robbers and batterers to commit their crimes with impunity?
 
2012-12-20 11:26:19 AM

stevarooni: BUT...no reasonable gun rights proponent would suggest that "NO licensed gun owner would EVER" anything


And where are they? They should be the ones freaking the hell out about stuff like this. Instead they continue to push back against proper safeguards and screenings.
 
2012-12-20 11:27:12 AM

Mattyb710: The law in Florida is if you are in fear for your life or fear of grievous bodily harm. In real life, unlike the movies, a punch to the head can cause grievous bodily harm, or even death.


You know what can cause grievous bodily harm, and does WAAAAAAAY more than punches or shoves? Gunfire. And yet somehow this lunatic with TWO rounds at point blank range couldn't even seal that deal. If he was so in fear of his life from this uncaged animal, what's with the soft-tissue shots?

This isn't even a matter of it being a bad law, it is a matter of people not understanding the difference between "I started a fight that I'm now losing" and "someone is going to kill me!"
 
2012-12-20 11:27:23 AM
God damn, there are a lot of paranoid, pant-pissing pussies running around these days.
 
2012-12-20 11:27:52 AM
Step 1: start a fight with someone in Florida
Step 2: claim your life is in danger and shoot them
Step 3: get out of jail free card/profit
 
2012-12-20 11:28:00 AM

here to help: Exactly. Just like Zimmerman asshole. I don't care if Trayvon was selling crack to babby's. He started a fight he couldn't finish. The worst that would have happened was he took a beatdown (which he deserved). Instead the kid is dead.


What if Trayvon had Zimmerman down on the ground, beating his head against the backdrop of the sidewalk (Mr. Zimmerman's claim)? Is that a typical beatdown in your part of the world? "Unarmed" does not mean "Incapable of deadly force".
 
2012-12-20 11:28:23 AM

Phinn: How many people are you willing to be raped, robbed, beaten and killed because they were prohibited from using the tool they needed to defend themselves?

Why are you so in favor of allowing rapists, robbers and batterers to commit their crimes with impunity?


Then support proper screenings. This idiot should NOT have had a gun.
 
2012-12-20 11:28:26 AM

factoryconnection: Phinn: Wow, you must have special access to unreported evidence.

They were in a shoving match, as reported. It used to be that shoving matches resulted in bruises, hot tempers, and maybe a broken bone. Now it is a death sentence.

Only because this hot-head is a terrible shot is the other hot-head not dead. Two round, point blank range over a f*cking pizza wait? There's plenty of evidence implicit in the story: there was only one man with a gun, and it was coincidentally the only one fearing for his life. Notice that the shooter wasn't under arrest at the hospital because of his grievous beating injuries... Surprise!


Technically, I bet after he pulled out the gun, the other man feared for his life, too.

Doubly so once he was farking shot.
 
2012-12-20 11:28:30 AM
I got this.

ahem

1. get a concealed weapons permit
2. buy a gun
3. carry it everywhere, praying to the Norse Gods that you get a chance to use it.
4. Start a shoving match in a local eatery because no incident has come up to let you kill someone.
5. Start losing said match to your unarmed opponent.
6. Pull a gun on your unarmed opponent like a little weak biatch, and shoot him multiple times.
7. Claim self defense and "hold my ground" laws apply.
8. Get ass raped repeatedly in the local pokey.
 
2012-12-20 11:29:01 AM

Cold_Sassy: I'll second that. That has GOT to be the worst pizza ever.


Not as long as The Rat is still slinging pies. You know, Charles Edward Cheese, Esq.?
 
2012-12-20 11:29:32 AM

occamswrist: Technically, I bet after he pulled out the gun, the other man feared for his life, too.

Doubly so once he was farking shot.


No way.  Only CCW-holders are ever allowed to feel threatened.  Everyone else is a threat to their safety and it's never the other way around.
 
2012-12-20 11:30:10 AM

Phinn: here to help: How many more kids are you willing to let get massacred before admitting that you are WRONG!

How many people are you willing to be raped, robbed, beaten and killed because they were prohibited from using the tool they needed to defend themselves?

Why are you so in favor of allowing rapists, robbers and batterers to commit their crimes with impunity?


You were doing good for a while there, think you went a little too far past the believability line with this one though. Try again next thread.
 
2012-12-20 11:30:17 AM

here to help: And where are they? They should be the ones freaking the hell out about stuff like this. Instead they continue to push back against proper safeguards and screenings.


Define "proper safeguards and screenings". Background checks? Domestic violence misdemeanors can get your right to keep and bear arms invalidated, after all. Please, provide this "reasonable measure" that would have affected this particular douche.
 
2012-12-20 11:30:20 AM

boarch: here to help: Come on 2nd amendment douchensteins... get in here and back this retard up! NO licensed gun owner would EVER use their weapon in an irresponsible fashion! RIGHT?! RIGHT?!!!

You have blood on your hands.

Dinks.

Go die in a fire.

What does him having a concealed carry permit have to do with anything?
If he didn't have that permit, this story would have turned out the same but there would be little to no possibility that the shooter would have a CHANCE of being considered innocent even if he was defending his life.


If he didn't have a CCP...he would be breaking the law by walking around in a pizza place with a gun. So, maybe he'd decide not to break the law and leave the gun at home. Then, this would be a story about to middle-aged men getting into an old guy fight about pizza and everyone would laugh. I'm not an anti-gun dude, but THIS is inevitably what will happen if people are allowed to carry guns everywhere. Folks can't control themselves. I can see it now:
 
 
Victim: Hey man, this is some bullshiat. I been waiting 20 minutes for a pizza that's supposed to be ready. My feet hurt. My ankle is bothering me. I have to use the bath...
 
Shooter: Man, would you shut that shiat up? Its enough standing in this line. I don't want to listen to your biatching for another 20 minutes.
 
Victim: Fark you.
 
Shooter: Fark you.
 
*Both men square up*
 
Shooter: Bang.
 
Victim: Dammit! Now my stomach hurts too!
 
Shooter: Bang, again.
 
Victim: This is going to go down as a stupid way to die, if this is the way I go. I should have thought this one through.
 
Shooter: Uhhhh, I was standing my ground, officer. Yeah, that's it.
 
2012-12-20 11:30:34 AM

here to help: Ah, here they come. A NORMAL and RATIONAL person does not let some guy complaining about poor service at a restaurant escalate into a fight and then shoot the poor bastard.

The sane people in this world are getting fed up with your relentless excuses. I don't have a problem with RESPONSIBLE gun ownership but there have to be some far more stringent screening and training processes in place. Not let any tiny dicked buttf*cker yokel with a bad attitude fulfill his fantasy of Tombstone.

Get it together. How many more kids are you willing to let get massacred before admitting that you are WRONG!


Do we really know all that much about what happened here, other than a) someone was complaining b) someone got shot?

Is it really that much of a stretch to consider that maybe the guy who was complaining was belligerent and threatening? I'm not saying the shooting was justified and the charges against the shooter bear that out but do you seriously think the whole story is that one guy heard another guy complaining and shot him because of it?

Belligerent dickheads getting shot for being belligerent dickheads is not something I feel like legislating against. Seems to me like this played out okay. Asshole gets shot, irresponsible shooter gets charged. It's pretty unlikely (unless someone backs this guy up) that "stand your ground" is going to help him when it comes time to talk to a judge.

But hey, whatever. We could all just keep drooling into our keyboards. That's fun, too.
 
2012-12-20 11:31:10 AM

stevarooni: What if Trayvon had Zimmerman down on the ground, beating his head against the backdrop of the sidewalk (Mr. Zimmerman's claim)? Is that a typical beatdown in your part of the world? "Unarmed" does not mean "Incapable of deadly force".


The cops were already on their way. He should have dropped it at that. You pick a fight, stalk someone in the middle of the night... expect a beatdown. It's called common sense. And yes where I come from you f*ck around you get knocked the f*ck out. That's why you don't play cowboy if you aren't willing to accept the consequences of your actions.
Seriously what Zimmerman got was mild.
 
2012-12-20 11:31:15 AM
maybe they realized they were about eat Little Ceasar's pizza and entered into a suicide pact
 
2012-12-20 11:31:36 AM
Prediction: No further "Stand Your Ground" laws will be passed - and states that passed them will be moving to repeal.
 
2012-12-20 11:32:18 AM

Phinn: They didn't shoot each other. One man shot another man who, it is claimed, attacked him.

Did you read your own article, subby? It's something like 150 words long.

You weren't there, but you somehow know whether the man who got shot posed a threat.

You live in a world of your own imaginings. Progg insularity at its finest.


Are you an excellent driver?
 
2012-12-20 11:32:34 AM

here to help: This idiot should NOT have had a gun.


You are clair-f*ucking-voyant!

This is amazing. Based on 80 lines of text, you just F*CKING KNOW EXACTLY what happened.

Get to the circus or something, dude. NASA. The Pentagon. They could use someone with your kind of super-powers.
 
2012-12-20 11:33:19 AM

here to help: stevarooni: What if Trayvon had Zimmerman down on the ground, beating his head against the backdrop of the sidewalk (Mr. Zimmerman's claim)? Is that a typical beatdown in your part of the world? "Unarmed" does not mean "Incapable of deadly force".

The cops were already on their way. He should have dropped it at that. You pick a fight, stalk someone in the middle of the night... expect a beatdown. It's called common sense. And yes where I come from you f*ck around you get knocked the f*ck out. That's why you don't play cowboy if you aren't willing to accept the consequences of your actions.
Seriously what Zimmerman got was mild.


No. Please. Don't.
 
2012-12-20 11:33:44 AM

factoryconnection: Cold_Sassy: I'll second that. That has GOT to be the worst pizza ever.

Not as long as The Rat is still slinging pies. You know, Charles Edward Cheese, Esq.?


Eh, I'll have to plead ignorance. However, I will take your word for it.

Thank God I've never been there, although if I ever commit a sin large enough to get me to hell, I bet I get a job at Chuck E. Cheese's.
 
2012-12-20 11:33:46 AM
That law just keeps on giving. What used to be a shoving match or minor fisticuffs resulting in a bruise or two can now escalate into a shooting/possible killing. And why not? Why risk a black eye when you can just gun the guy down? Want to kill a man, but don't want to go to jail? Move to Florida. Start a fight, then just shoot the bastard, claiming you were in fear of your life.
 
2012-12-20 11:34:19 AM

stevarooni: Domestic violence misdemeanors can get your right to keep and bear arms invalidated,


Good. You want a gun? Don't be a violent asshat. You seriously think people who beat on their OWN family have the temperament needed for responsible gun ownership?

If so, you are part of the problem.
 
2012-12-20 11:34:25 AM

here to help: The cops were already on their way. He should have dropped it at that. You pick a fight, stalk someone in the middle of the night... expect a beatdown.


:o| Your knowledge of the events of that night are fascinating! Did you watch it on YouTube, or did the Psychic Network provide you with the answers your sought?
 
2012-12-20 11:36:31 AM

Phinn: You are clair-f*ucking-voyant!

This is amazing. Based on 80 lines of text, you just F*CKING KNOW EXACTLY what happened.

Get to the circus or something, dude. NASA. The Pentagon. They could use someone with your kind of super-powers.


I have seen lots of fights. 99% of them could have been avoided by one party just not taking things to the next level even if the other party was being a dick.
 
2012-12-20 11:36:42 AM

here to help: Good. You want a gun? Don't be a violent asshat. You seriously think people who beat on their OWN family have the temperament needed for responsible gun ownership?

If so, you are part of the problem.


Eh, it's the misdemeanor part with which I have a problem. Otherwise I agree, convictions for violent stuffs prove that someone is incapable of doing well in society...NO GUN FOR YOU!
 
2012-12-20 11:37:07 AM

Invisible Pedestrian: Phinn: here to help: How many more kids are you willing to let get massacred before admitting that you are WRONG!

How many people are you willing to be raped, robbed, beaten and killed because they were prohibited from using the tool they needed to defend themselves?

Why are you so in favor of allowing rapists, robbers and batterers to commit their crimes with impunity?

You were doing good for a while there, think you went a little too far past the believability line with this one though. Try again next thread.


Finn likes to troll, look at his profile to see what others have said to him...
 
2012-12-20 11:37:07 AM
Okay, what requirements and psychological tests do you have to meet to qualify for the military? If you fail those tests you don't qualify for our militia. No gun for you.

Oh wait, we've had ex-soldiers go crazy too. It was a thought.
 
2012-12-20 11:37:26 AM

stevarooni: :o| Your knowledge of the events of that night are fascinating! Did you watch it on YouTube, or did the Psychic Network provide you with the answers your sought?


Quit justifying gun violence.
 
2012-12-20 11:38:33 AM

A Shambling Mound: Belligerent dickheads getting shot for being belligerent dickheads is not something I feel like legislating against.


This.

Also, note that the statistics cited by the Progg crowd typically neglects to mention the number of gun deaths that are suicides, and the ones that are the product of gangs and drugs.

As though everyone is supposed to lose the basic human right of self-defense because a bunch of gang bangers and drug dealers settle their turf wars with guns.
 
2012-12-20 11:39:08 AM

biyaaatci: What I want to know is, whatever happened to the "Pizza! Pizza!" gimmick?


That's been gone for a long time. When I managed a Little Caesar's as a nubile 19 year old back in the 90s, the catchphrase was "where bigger is better." The obnoxious comments we got on the phone because we were REQUIRED to say that every time we answered were overwhelming.

I love how so many people are fine with a citizen shooting some unarmed guy, but when a cop does it all hell breaks loose. I am as opposed to police brutality as anyone; I just find it an interesting juxtaposition.
 
2012-12-20 11:39:30 AM

here to help: Come on 2nd amendment douchensteins... get in here and back this retard up! NO licensed gun owner would EVER use their weapon in an irresponsible fashion! RIGHT?! RIGHT?!!!

You have blood on your hands.

Dinks.


Your right CCW permit holders do commit crimes, albeit at a much lower rate than the rest of the population but don't let that stop your rant.
 
2012-12-20 11:40:14 AM
Do we have to go back through the Farkives to find the threads about when these laws first passed so those of us who said this is exactly what would happen and got shouted down by tiny-dicked morans with a Rambo fantasy and a spittle-flecked monitor can say "I told you so"?
 
2012-12-20 11:40:31 AM

stevarooni: Eh, it's the misdemeanor part with which I have a problem. Otherwise I agree, convictions for violent stuffs prove that someone is incapable of doing well in society...NO GUN FOR YOU!


Now we have some common ground. My belief is if there is ANY question as to how responsible someone will be with a firearm then the default position should be not to allow them to acquire one. That is sadly very much not the current situation.

I don't want guns banned. I want idiots and those with violent tendencies banned from owning guns.
There should also be RIGOROUS training required.
 
2012-12-20 11:40:47 AM

here to help: stevarooni: What if Trayvon had Zimmerman down on the ground, beating his head against the backdrop of the sidewalk (Mr. Zimmerman's claim)? Is that a typical beatdown in your part of the world? "Unarmed" does not mean "Incapable of deadly force".

The cops were already on their way. He should have dropped it at that. You pick a fight, stalk someone in the middle of the night... expect a beatdown. It's called common sense. And yes where I come from you f*ck around you get knocked the f*ck out. That's why you don't play cowboy if you aren't willing to accept the consequences of your actions.
Seriously what Zimmerman got was mild.


Zimmerman was the cowboy...and Trayvon was the Indian?
 
2012-12-20 11:41:39 AM

Incog_Neeto: Your right CCW permit holders do commit crimes, albeit at a much lower rate than the rest of the population but don't let that stop your rant.


So put some effort in screening out the troublemakers. That's all I'm asking.
 
2012-12-20 11:42:52 AM

tricycleracer:
This is why the law is bullshiat.

1.  Talk shiat to someone.
2.  They walk towards you.
3.  Shoot them.


Unfortunately, that seems to be what it's become. The original intent was to shield people from prosecution when they were forced into a confrontation and had to defend themselves, but it seems to be used far more by the sort of people who provoke or escalate confrontations and then shoot in order to avoid the ass-kicking their behavior has earned them.
 
2012-12-20 11:43:08 AM

Dull Cow Eyes: what some people in Florida must think:

Stand Your Ground = if you're standing on the ground, just go ahead and shoot


It makes you wonder. Glad to see they charged the guy.


here to help: Phinn: You are clair-f*ucking-voyant!

This is amazing. Based on 80 lines of text, you just F*CKING KNOW EXACTLY what happened.

Get to the circus or something, dude. NASA. The Pentagon. They could use someone with your kind of super-powers.

I have seen lots of fights. 99% of them could have been avoided by one party just not taking things to the next level even if the other party was being a dick.


And when carrying a gun its your job to do everything possible to keep it from escalating.
 
2012-12-20 11:43:19 AM

Arkanaut: damndirtyape: Pocket Ninja: He was standing his ground, subby, standing his ground like you only wish you had the courage to do. Like you wish you had the courage to do. But, no. They invade your space, and you fall back. They cut in line, and you fall back. Not again. Not this time. The line must be drawn here. This far, no farther! And we will make them pay for what they have done.

You broke your little plastic thing that keeps the box top out of the cheese.

I think that's considered a war crime in some places.


I miss the dough balls you used to get. Most places seem to have cheaped out of including those.
 
2012-12-20 11:43:47 AM

occamswrist: Zimmerman was the cowboy...and Trayvon was the Indian?


Well he got slaughtered while minding his own business so I guess that's apt.
 
2012-12-20 11:43:50 AM

here to help: I have seen lots of fights. 99% of them could have been avoided by one party just not taking things to the next level even if the other party was being a dick.


Nice dodge, tough guy. You like to get vague when it suits you.

See, out here in reality, there is a point when "taking things to the next level" constitutes posing an imminent threat of death or serious bodily injury.

When you cross that line, it's OK to kill you.
 
2012-12-20 11:46:01 AM

here to help: tricycleracer: This is why the law is bullshiat.

1. Talk shiat to someone.
2. They walk towards you.
3. Shoot them.

Exactly. Just like Zimmerman asshole. I don't care if Trayvon was selling crack to babby's. He started a fight he couldn't finish. The worst that would have happened was he took a beatdown (which he deserved). Instead the kid is dead.


This is NOT the law. As a CCW holder you are required to do everything within your power to physically retreat from the situation before using your weapon. And, you as a holder cannot instigate or escalate any disputes. THAT is why this guy is in trouble.
 
2012-12-20 11:46:02 AM

Jacobin: Sometimes I think that having 7 billion people in the world is making things too crowded and making people just a little too cranky.


You'd think that is a lot, however if every single person on the planet stood together in one large group, it would only cover around 7 square miles of space.
 
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