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(Fox News)   In most places, people don't randomly shoot each other while waiting for pizza, and then claim self-defense. And then there is Florida   (foxnews.com) divider line 224
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2012-12-20 09:41:23 AM
He was standing his ground, subby, standing his ground like you only wish you had the courage to do. Like you wish you had the courage to do. But, no. They invade your space, and you fall back. They cut in line, and you fall back. Not again. Not this time. The line must be drawn here. This far, no farther! And we will make them pay for what they have done.
 
2012-12-20 10:56:29 AM
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2012-12-20 10:57:54 AM
Responsible gun owner. Nothing to see here.
 
2012-12-20 10:58:02 AM

Pocket Ninja: He was standing his ground, subby, standing his ground like you only wish you had the courage to do. Like you wish you had the courage to do. But, no. They invade your space, and you fall back. They cut in line, and you fall back. Not again. Not this time. The line must be drawn here. This far, no farther! And we will make them pay for what they have done.


Thanks Mr. Stewart.
 
2012-12-20 10:58:32 AM
madafakin PIGS, amirite?
 
2012-12-20 10:58:39 AM

Pocket Ninja: He was standing his ground, subby, standing his ground like you only wish you had the courage to do. Like you wish you had the courage to do. But, no. They invade your space, and you fall back. They cut in line, and you fall back. Not again. Not this time. The line must be drawn here. This far, no farther! And we will make them pay for what they have done.


Sometimes I think that having 7 billion people in the world is making things too crowded and making people just a little too cranky.
 
2012-12-20 10:58:41 AM
TFA:

Man shot at Florida pizza restaurant for complaining about service

Published December 20, 2012

FoxNews.com

ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. - A Tampa Bay area man accused of shooting and wounding another man during an argument at a pizza restaurant said his actions were justified under Florida's "stand your ground" law.

St. Petersburg police say 52-year-old Michael Jock was waiting in line at a Little Caesars on Sunday when another customer, 49-year-old Randall White, began complaining about the slow service. The men exchanged words, which turned into a shoving match.

The Tampa Bay Times reports that Jock pulled a revolver and shot White in the lower torso. The two struggled and White was shot a second time.

Jock, who has a concealed weapons permit, told officers he was justified under Florida's "stand your ground" law, which allows people to use deadly force if they believe their lives are in danger.

The officers charged Jock with aggravated battery with a weapon and shooting within a building. He was later released on $20,000 bail.


There, now the rest of you don't have to click on foxnews.com.
 
2012-12-20 10:58:45 AM
They should've just burnt their Christmas tree and called it a day.
 
2012-12-20 10:59:10 AM

Pocket Ninja: He was standing his ground, subby, standing his ground like you only wish you had the courage to do. Like you wish you had the courage to do. But, no. They invade your space, and you fall back. They cut in line, and you fall back. Not again. Not this time. The line must be drawn here. This far, no farther! And we will make them pay for what they have done.


You broke your little plastic thing that keeps the box top out of the cheese.
 
2012-12-20 10:59:46 AM

DarkSoulNoHope: Pocket Ninja: He was standing his ground, subby, standing his ground like you only wish you had the courage to do. Like you wish you had the courage to do. But, no. They invade your space, and you fall back. They cut in line, and you fall back. Not again. Not this time. The line must be drawn here. This far, no farther! And we will make them pay for what they have done.

Thanks Mr. Stewart.


BTW, you broke your little pizzas.
 
2012-12-20 10:59:47 AM
PS Something about a hate crime because the victim was White.
 
2012-12-20 10:59:56 AM

damndirtyape: Pocket Ninja: He was standing his ground, subby, standing his ground like you only wish you had the courage to do. Like you wish you had the courage to do. But, no. They invade your space, and you fall back. They cut in line, and you fall back. Not again. Not this time. The line must be drawn here. This far, no farther! And we will make them pay for what they have done.

You broke your little plastic thing that keeps the box top out of the cheese.


Holy fark, laughing my ass off, perfect followup to that.
 
2012-12-20 11:00:32 AM
what some people in Florida must think:

Stand Your Ground = if you're standing on the ground, just go ahead and shoot
 
2012-12-20 11:01:12 AM
They didn't shoot each other. One man shot another man who, it is claimed, attacked him.

Did you read your own article, subby? It's something like 150 words long.

You weren't there, but you somehow know whether the man who got shot posed a threat.

You live in a world of your own imaginings. Progg insularity at its finest.
 
2012-12-20 11:01:45 AM
He has a conceal carry license. This means he is a law abiding citizen. The other guy absolutely must have been threatening his life, since law abiding conceal carry citizens never break the law. Look at the statistics if you don't believe me.
 
2012-12-20 11:02:05 AM
For what reason was the shooter charged with a crime? I have been assured that Florida's "stand your ground" statute allows shooters to escape any legal charges simply by claiming to have "felt threatened".
 
2012-12-20 11:03:01 AM
All I want for the holidays is more repeats
 
2012-12-20 11:03:51 AM

damndirtyape: Pocket Ninja: He was standing his ground, subby, standing his ground like you only wish you had the courage to do. Like you wish you had the courage to do. But, no. They invade your space, and you fall back. They cut in line, and you fall back. Not again. Not this time. The line must be drawn here. This far, no farther! And we will make them pay for what they have done.

You broke your little plastic thing that keeps the box top out of the cheese.


I think that's considered a war crime in some places.
 
2012-12-20 11:04:12 AM
Come on 2nd amendment douchensteins... get in here and back this retard up! NO licensed gun owner would EVER use their weapon in an irresponsible fashion! RIGHT?! RIGHT?!!!

You have blood on your hands.

Dinks.
 
2012-12-20 11:04:56 AM
Shoulda just got the hot and ready. Crisis averted.
 
2012-12-20 11:05:01 AM

Dull Cow Eyes: what some people in Florida must think:

Stand Your Ground = if you're standing on the ground, just go ahead and shoot


Yeah, there is a massive misunderstanding of what constitutes "fear for my life" for some people. Perhaps it is a result of the constant bell-ringing of gun advocates that "Forks and fists, bats and bottles" are just as deadly as guns, in that as soon as someone brandishes a fist or any solid object, b*tches think they're in mortal peril.

This guy seemed to think he was going to get shoved to death. Now he's just going to get shoved into a cell for 10-20 years.
 
2012-12-20 11:06:47 AM

Farce-Side: Shoulda just got the hot and ready. Crisis averted.


Yeah; once you've sunk to the Little Caesar's level, just accept your fate and get the thing in the warmer tray with the red disks on it for $5. At least spare yourself the indignity of waiting.
 
2012-12-20 11:07:13 AM
BAN...something.... !!  Or at the very least, think of the children....
 
2012-12-20 11:08:12 AM
Pizza Place Fight Trifecta in play!
 
2012-12-20 11:08:39 AM

here to help: Come on 2nd amendment douchensteins... get in here and back this retard up! NO licensed gun owner would EVER use their weapon in an irresponsible fashion! RIGHT?! RIGHT?!!!


Unlike you, rational people don't fill in the gaps in their knowledge with assumptions that happen to fit their political biases.

Since you weren't there, and the article contains no evidence, you have no idea if the man who was shot posed an imminent threat of death or serious bodily injury.

See, when people do that, you can kill them. It's not only justified, but wholly lawful. Apparently, that basic principle of ethics bothers you.
 
2012-12-20 11:09:04 AM
It's a whole new brand of customer service.
 
2012-12-20 11:09:39 AM
"Jock, who has a concealed weapons permit, told officers he was justified under Florida's "stand your ground" law, which allows people to use deadly force if they believe their lives are in danger."

Well it's settled then.
 
2012-12-20 11:10:36 AM

here to help: Come on 2nd amendment douchensteins... get in here and back this retard up! NO licensed gun owner would EVER use their weapon in an irresponsible fashion! RIGHT?! RIGHT?!!!

You have blood on your hands.

Dinks.


Go die in a fire.

What does him having a concealed carry permit have to do with anything?
If he didn't have that permit, this story would have turned out the same but there would be little to no possibility that the shooter would have a CHANCE of being considered innocent even if he was defending his life.
 
2012-12-20 11:12:58 AM

here to help: Come on 2nd amendment douchensteins... get in here and back this retard up! NO licensed gun owner would EVER use their weapon in an irresponsible fashion! RIGHT?! RIGHT?!!!

You have blood on your hands.

Dinks.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-20 11:14:54 AM
They bring an expired coupon, you bring a gun.
 
Its the Florida way.
 
2012-12-20 11:15:01 AM

GanjSmokr: BAN...something.... !!  Or at the very least, think of the children....


If it'll help, I'm okay with banning Little Caesers.
 
2012-12-20 11:16:48 AM
It's almost like walking around with a gun is prematurely escalating any confrontation.
 
2012-12-20 11:17:21 AM
If 'shooting somebody who is behaving like an asshole in public' is the same thing as 'standing your ground' I've got a friend who just begs for a bullet on a distressingly frequent basis.
 
Think I better warn him to stay the hell out of Florida...
 
/ 56-yr old men shouldn't throw tantrums in public
// so embarrassing 
 
2012-12-20 11:17:35 AM

here to help: Responsible gun owner. Nothing to see here.


?
 
2012-12-20 11:17:40 AM

factoryconnection: This guy seemed to think he was going to get shoved to death.


Wow, you must have special access to unreported evidence.

Go ahead -- prove that the shooter did not reasonably believe the other man posed an imminent threat of death or serious bodily injury.

Take your time.
 
2012-12-20 11:18:12 AM

Jacobin: Pocket Ninja: He was standing his ground, subby, standing his ground like you only wish you had the courage to do. Like you wish you had the courage to do. But, no. They invade your space, and you fall back. They cut in line, and you fall back. Not again. Not this time. The line must be drawn here. This far, no farther! And we will make them pay for what they have done.

Sometimes I think that having 7 billion people in the world is making things too crowded and making people just a little too cranky.


You know, I have had that thought before, myself.
 
2012-12-20 11:19:12 AM
The article didn't mention race so its hard to know whose side to be on.

ZOMG!
 
2012-12-20 11:19:16 AM
This guy was obviously just acting on behalf of his well regulated militia.
 
2012-12-20 11:19:23 AM

Cold_Sassy: Jacobin: Pocket Ninja: He was standing his ground, subby, standing his ground like you only wish you had the courage to do. Like you wish you had the courage to do. But, no. They invade your space, and you fall back. They cut in line, and you fall back. Not again. Not this time. The line must be drawn here. This far, no farther! And we will make them pay for what they have done.

Sometimes I think that having 7 billion people in the world is making things too crowded and making people just a little too cranky.

You know, I have had that thought before, myself.


Feel free to kill yourselves.
 
2012-12-20 11:19:29 AM
I . . said . . . NO . . . Goddamn . . . ANCHOVIES
 
2012-12-20 11:20:00 AM
Ah, here they come. A NORMAL and RATIONAL person does not let some guy complaining about poor service at a restaurant escalate into a fight and then shoot the poor bastard.

The sane people in this world are getting fed up with your relentless excuses. I don't have a problem with RESPONSIBLE gun ownership but there have to be some far more stringent screening and training processes in place. Not let any tiny dicked buttf*cker yokel with a bad attitude fulfill his fantasy of Tombstone.

Get it together. How many more kids are you willing to let get massacred before admitting that you are WRONG!
 
2012-12-20 11:20:07 AM

GanjSmokr: BAN...something.... !!  Or at the very least, think of the children....


Ban Florida pizza.
 
2012-12-20 11:20:51 AM

Schroedinger's Glory Hole: It's almost like walking around with a gun is prematurely escalating any confrontation.


DING DING DING
 
Winna!
 
2012-12-20 11:20:56 AM

Phinn: factoryconnection: This guy seemed to think he was going to get shoved to death.

Wow, you must have special access to unreported evidence.

Go ahead -- prove that the shooter did not reasonably believe the other man posed an imminent threat of death or serious bodily injury.

Take your time.


This is why the law is bullshiat.
 
1.  Talk shiat to someone.
2.  They walk towards you.
3.  Shoot them.
 
2012-12-20 11:21:09 AM
The solution to this is obvious: the pizza should have been armed.
 
2012-12-20 11:21:12 AM

Nothing To See Here: here to help: Responsible gun owner. Nothing to see here.

?


Ha!
 
2012-12-20 11:21:50 AM
What I want to know is, whatever happened to the "Pizza! Pizza!" gimmick?
 
2012-12-20 11:22:11 AM
This wouldn't have happened if we'd have banned scary-looking rifles and large-capacity magazines.
 
2012-12-20 11:22:34 AM

here to help: Come on 2nd amendment douchensteins... get in here and back this retard up! NO licensed gun owner would EVER use their weapon in an irresponsible fashion! RIGHT?! RIGHT?!!!

You have blood on your hands.

Dinks.


Hyperbolic post is hyperbolic.

BUT...no reasonable gun rights proponent would suggest that "NO licensed gun owner would EVER" anything. Statistically, licensed concealed carriers perform fewer crime.
 
2012-12-20 11:22:35 AM

factoryconnection: Dull Cow Eyes: what some people in Florida must think:

Stand Your Ground = if you're standing on the ground, just go ahead and shoot

Yeah, there is a massive misunderstanding of what constitutes "fear for my life" for some people. Perhaps it is a result of the constant bell-ringing of gun advocates that "Forks and fists, bats and bottles" are just as deadly as guns, in that as soon as someone brandishes a fist or any solid object, b*tches think they're in mortal peril.

This guy seemed to think he was going to get shoved to death. Now he's just going to get shoved into a cell for 10-20 years.


The law in Florida is if you are in fear for your life or fear of grievous bodily harm. In real life, unlike the movies, a punch to the head can cause grievous bodily harm, or even death.

I would think the pizza place has security cameras so it will be easy to tell who started the physical confrontation and who should be going to jail in this case. Let's not let a little thing like facts stop all the derp going on in this thread though.
 
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