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(Global TV BC)   Vancouver's new billion dollar bridge has a bonus feature: Ice Bombs (w/ chilling video)   (globaltvbc.com) divider line 98
    More: Scary, Port Mann Bridge, ice, home runs, snow  
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2012-12-20 11:03:08 AM
Ka BOOM!  Damn that would suck.
 
2012-12-20 11:19:07 AM
Clicking the link for me gets:
 
= 0) document.write(unescape('%3C') + '\!-' + '-') //-->  
 
Even after "allowing all on this page" in noscript.
 
I just wish these idiot webdevs would code sites with the assumption people block their random insecure scripts from running.  To me its weird to demand my browser run all your sh*t just to show a damn youtube.
 
Did a quick look on youtube, didn't find this specific video.  Apparently they've had some trouble with this bridge before, though.
 
On February 10, 2012, during construction of the replacement bridge, a crane collapsed, causing a 90-tonne concrete section of bridge decking to drop into the water below. While no one was injured, the accident delayed subsequent construction.  WorkSafe BC inspectors evaluated the safety practices on the construction site.
 
 
On December 19th, 2012, cold weather caused ice to accumulate on the supporting cables, periodically dropping to the car-deck below.
 
ICBC, the vehicle insurance entity in British Columbia, reported 60 separate claims of ice-damage during the incident. In addition, one driver required an ambulance due to injuries. The bridge was closed for several hours while engineers investigated.
 
2012-12-20 11:19:51 AM
Wait till you hear about our "fast ferries".
 
2012-12-20 11:21:19 AM
WHAR GLOBAL WARMING WHAR?!?!?!?!?!
 
2012-12-20 11:21:32 AM
Ah, a little excitement on the way to work! No more boring routine.
 
2012-12-20 11:22:25 AM
Dude, my career FELL years ago . . .

userserve-ak.last.fm
 
2012-12-20 11:22:30 AM
The pirate soundtrack the one guy provides in the video is excellent...
 
2012-12-20 11:23:59 AM
Sub-zero is really slipping these days. Not even a single FATALITY.
 
2012-12-20 11:24:16 AM
Vancouver

ice bombs

and

heroin addict capital of North America

/ok visit.
//never move there
 
2012-12-20 11:24:41 AM
Engineers are not scientists.
 
/personally disagree, but Sheldon,,,
 
2012-12-20 11:26:04 AM

Generation_D: ICBC, the vehicle insurance entity in British Columbia, reported 60 separate claims of ice-damage during the incident. In addition, one driver required an ambulance due to injuries. The bridge was closed for several hours while engineers investigated.


"After extensive analysis, we have determined that the substance is, in fact, frozen H20"
 
2012-12-20 11:26:13 AM

Lemmy Kilmister: heroin addict capital of North America


Wouldn't that be Seattle?
 
2012-12-20 11:26:54 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_sIVb-9yK4 
 
 
long range hand-held video of cars on a bridge.  Which I guess was pretty scary with the ice, eh.
 
Canadian bridge designers not accounting for bridge ice.  Thats kind of interesting.  Why was the old bridge not doing the same thing, he wondered.
 
But not enough to keep worrying about it.    Good luck with your bridge, Van.
 
2012-12-20 11:29:14 AM
Looks like the design where the bridge cables cross above the roadway has some drawbacks.
It is a very pretty bridge though.
img822.imageshack.us
 
2012-12-20 11:29:37 AM
"Tolls are currently $1.50 for most, plus deductible for potentially dozens of drivers Wednesday"

Touche announcer/reporter guy, touche.
 
2012-12-20 11:29:50 AM

BillDozer357: Lemmy Kilmister: heroin addict capital of North America

Wouldn't that be Seattle?


We gave up the title years ago.
 
2012-12-20 11:30:52 AM
So apparently they didn't learn anything from the same thing happening on the Alex Fraser Bridge. Good to know.
 
2012-12-20 11:31:27 AM

Generation_D: BillDozer357: Lemmy Kilmister: heroin addict capital of North America

Wouldn't that be Seattle?

We gave up the title years ago.



US-eh, US-eh, US-eh
 
2012-12-20 11:32:01 AM
lol was that a French grunt?
 
2012-12-20 11:32:25 AM

Generation_D: Canadian bridge designers not accounting for bridge ice.  Thats kind of interesting.  Why was the old bridge not doing the same thing, he wondered.
 
But not enough to keep worrying about it.    Good luck with your bridge, Van.


Old bridge wasn't as tall and had mostly flat crossmembers, so ice mostly just melted in place, and if it did fall, it wasn't from as high.  
 
They should have done an H tower instead of a central tower.  Then the ice bombs wouldn't be over the road.
 
2012-12-20 11:32:48 AM
If my tax dollars helped pay for that bridge and that happened to my car as I was crossing it. I would not be paying my insurance deductible and my insurance company would not be paying any claim so they could raise my rates for it being partly my fault for trying to cross an unsafe bridge. The city and/or engineering and design firm should pay for all damage to those cars.
 
2012-12-20 11:32:58 AM

BillDozer357: Lemmy Kilmister: heroin addict capital of North America

Wouldn't that be Seattle?


I see you've never been to the downtown east side of vancouver during a warm summer evening.
 
2012-12-20 11:34:01 AM

cgraves67: Sub-zero is really slipping these days. Not even a single FATALITY.


Hey, Killian! Here's Sub-Zero...now, plain zero!
 
2012-12-20 11:34:01 AM
"Woah! There goes the windshield."

That guy made me laugh. I like how there isn't anyone ranting and raving. The most anyone said was that woman saying... "it should be closed down" followed by the announcer's "and...it was."
 
2012-12-20 11:35:12 AM
www.hotflick.net
 
www.2-clicks-comics.com
Wanted for questioning
 
2012-12-20 11:36:45 AM
Snow Miser wanted for questioning.
 
2012-12-20 11:37:09 AM

red5ish: Looks like the design where the bridge cables cross above the roadway has some drawbacks.
It is a very pretty bridge though.
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For $3 billion she better give wanton blowjobs and make hella sammiches along with being pretty.
 
2012-12-20 11:38:04 AM
encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com

Where's the bat signal?
 
2012-12-20 11:39:03 AM
Hmm, the design seems to be prone, and perhaps not very adequate, to the climate. Designing an element that, if not stopping the ice, at least break it in smaller pieces as it fell, it's tricky, because you'd get more ice in those elements.

I like a challenge.
 
2012-12-20 11:40:03 AM

clear_prop: Generation_D: Canadian bridge designers not accounting for bridge ice.  Thats kind of interesting.  Why was the old bridge not doing the same thing, he wondered.
 
But not enough to keep worrying about it.    Good luck with your bridge, Van.

Old bridge wasn't as tall and had mostly flat crossmembers, so ice mostly just melted in place, and if it did fall, it wasn't from as high.  
 
They should have done an H tower instead of a central tower.  Then the ice bombs wouldn't be over the road.


Neat.  So designed-to-fail on delivery, with no real short-term solution possible, other than close and wait til spring.
 
Stick to building space arms? 
 
Good luck guys.  If nothing else, light some bonfires under it and have a hockey riot.  Oh, wait...
 
2012-12-20 11:44:55 AM
Sniff, sniff....is it dusty in here, or am I just so proud of Canada...
You've been sandbagging all this time, we knew you had the capacity for large scale mayhem and destruction in you!!

Way to go!!

So....my guess is this bridge was brought to you by the firm that built the Tacoma Narrows bridge?
 
2012-12-20 11:45:28 AM
Huh... those metal cables can't be heated or anything... not even slightly because they will expand too much and possibly destroy the bridge. Can't send crews out to put petroleum jelly on those things prior to the winter season... nope. Salt won't do, that'll rust everything. Heaven forbid they place chain link fence as a canopy above the roadway - that would ruin the aesthetic. Nope, I am sure there's really no other solution than to put people's lives in danger... from these "acts of God" or some such.
 
dicks.
 
2012-12-20 11:45:52 AM

Generation_D: clear_prop: Generation_D: Canadian bridge designers not accounting for bridge ice.  Thats kind of interesting.  Why was the old bridge not doing the same thing, he wondered.

But not enough to keep worrying about it.    Good luck with your bridge, Van.

Old bridge wasn't as tall and had mostly flat crossmembers, so ice mostly just melted in place, and if it did fall, it wasn't from as high.

They should have done an H tower instead of a central tower.  Then the ice bombs wouldn't be over the road.

Neat.  So designed-to-fail on delivery, with no real short-term solution possible, other than close and wait til spring.

Stick to building space arms?

Good luck guys.  If nothing else, light some bonfires under it and have a hockey riot.  Oh, wait...


That's how we roll here. Contracts go to the "best qualified" (wink-wink) and totally not to the brother-in-law of the Finance Minister.
 
2012-12-20 11:47:05 AM
This will end up with some sort of netting under it, like at a baseball game. I can't imagine they'll just let it keep happening forever.
 
2012-12-20 11:48:25 AM
Catherine was a passenger in her work vehicle driving across the Port Mann Bridge when a chuck of ice hit the back of the vehicle. "Suddenly there was a big smash," she said. "I think it's just dented on the roof. It was crazy."

She said cars were stopped everywhere on the bridge as well.


Sounds like they needed to be....Port Mann towed?

media.tumblr.com
 
2012-12-20 11:49:02 AM

CruJones: This will end up with some sort of netting under it, like at a baseball game. I can't imagine they'll just let it keep happening forever.


If history is any indication, they'll try stop-gap measures for a while, and then tear the bridge down and build a new one.
 
2012-12-20 11:49:04 AM
Don't worry about it. Couple more years, it won't freeze in Vancouver any more.
 
2012-12-20 11:49:39 AM
www.adamtglass.com
 
2012-12-20 11:49:40 AM

cryinoutloud: Don't worry about it. Couple more years, it won't freeze in Vancouver any more.


Actually, the winters have been getting colder here.
 
2012-12-20 11:50:15 AM

snocone: Engineers are not scientists.

/personally disagree, but Sheldon,,,


s3.media.squarespace.com

/somewhat relevant
 
2012-12-20 11:51:59 AM

CruJones: This will end up with some sort of netting under it, like at a baseball game. I can't imagine they'll just let it keep happening forever.


Or they'll just close it whenever there is ice or snow.
 
2012-12-20 11:53:06 AM
They just need to get a 22 cal rifle and start shooting the icicles off the bridge.

/ If the bridge is bombing you answer back.
 
2012-12-20 11:53:25 AM

Generation_D: Neat.  So designed-to-fail on delivery, with no real short-term solution possible, other than close and wait til spring.


About the only quick fix seems to a net capable of catching or breaking up and slowing down the chunks. The long term is going to be coating the cables so nothing can freeze onto them and large ice chunks can't build up.
 
2012-12-20 11:56:10 AM
Got a really big hammer?
 
2012-12-20 11:59:03 AM
Can we steel inspiration from what they do with
www.reprehensible.net

Other possible ideas:
Run a series of hoses down the cables (on the outside) with a buffer to prevent heating of the supports, and pump hot water through them when temperatures fall below 33 degrees.

Metal cladding that goes around the cables with radiating coils running through it that can be turned on, again when below 33 degrees.


I'm sure there is a solution. And given the scale of the lawsuit that's bound to happen, there is a huge financial incentive to figure it out.

/runs to patent office
 
2012-12-20 11:59:53 AM
Wow, there is some pathetic Vancouver hate going on in this thread. If it's such a terrible city then how come it keeps on getting ranked as one of the best cities to live in?
 
2012-12-20 12:04:08 PM

change1211: Wow, there is some pathetic Vancouver hate going on in this thread. If it's such a terrible city then how come it keeps on getting ranked as one of the best cities to live in?


Vancouver people. Small hands. Smell like cabbage.
 
2012-12-20 12:06:13 PM
It doesn't get any better. I crossed the same bridge this morning on my commute via bus, and the only change they made was adding signs on both sides warning about falling ice and snow. Way to do nothing, Mr. Transportation Minister and Mr. Bridge Engineer.

// I wish I was kidding
/// But sadly I'm not

How in the blue hell could a bunch of bridge engineers, architects, and the government officials funding the project not run simulations about what would happen to this bridge using the materials they used in something that Canada has during winter months (that being snow)? In terms of the government officials, I answered my own question, but the engineers and architects have no excuse unless they were told to purposely cut corners by the government officials.

// Boggles the mind
// Actually, it doesn't, because it's BC.
 
2012-12-20 12:08:30 PM

scubamage: change1211: Wow, there is some pathetic Vancouver hate going on in this thread. If it's such a terrible city then how come it keeps on getting ranked as one of the best cities to live in?

Vancouver people. Small hands. Smell like cabbage.


Vancouver people. Sharp knees, bad breath.
 
2012-12-20 12:13:50 PM

ha-ha-guy: Generation_D: Neat.  So designed-to-fail on delivery, with no real short-term solution possible, other than close and wait til spring.

About the only quick fix seems to a net capable of catching or breaking up and slowing down the chunks. The long term is going to be coating the cables so nothing can freeze onto them and large ice chunks can't build up.


I thought about the net, but, wouldn't that mean that it would accumulate ice, and get additional weight? Besides, you'd need to get a material strong enough to resist the weight, and light enough so that it doesn't give any more added weight.

The coating seems like a good idea. What brands out there are good? I work in warmer climates, so I have little experience with it.

edgesrealm: the engineers and architects have no excuse unless they were told to purposely cut corners by the government officials.


This. I've lost one or two projects because I've been asked the same, and maybe it's because I'm new to the construction business, but I have work ethics, and despite my disadvantages, I'm not desperate enough to look the other way. Architects and engineers have the obligations to do things right because we have lives on at stake when we finish the construction.
 
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