BarkingUnicorn: Wish every place would do this.
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cakeman: this is about taxes not about tipping .. a co-op restaurant is not operating like a typical restaurant. The government wants their cut of the revenue.
Wyalt Derp: Welcome to 0bama's Amercia!
Wyalt Derp: "Since issuing the field bulletin, the Department of Labor has cracked down on restaurants [...] Even though Casa Nueva's tip-pooling scheme was the definition of fairness, it did not adhere to the letter of the law"Welcome to 0bama's Amercia!
enderthexenocide: i'm going to drive all the way to ohio just so i can eat there. i hate tipping, its arbitrary, its confusing, its unnecessary, and it creates friction between the server and the customer. how about restaurants just charge me what it costs to prepare the food and pay the employees a good wage? none of this "we'll pay our employees slave wages and let the customer make up the difference based on how good a job he thought the employee did."
bunner: Wyalt Derp: Welcome to 0bama's Amercia!
MycroftHolmes: Tipping is confusing only if you are a moran. It is the system that is currently in place, is pretty straightforward and is pretty simple. Are there benefits to the system? Yes. Are there disadvantages? yes. Continuing to whine about how awful tipping is when it is ultimately not that much better or worse than the system you describe just makes you sound like a cranky old man yelling at clouds.
curriemaster: MycroftHolmes:Tipping is confusing only if you are a moran. It is the system that is currently in place, is pretty straightforward and is pretty simple. Are there benefits to the system? Yes. Are there disadvantages? yes. Continuing to whine about how awful tipping is when it is ultimately not that much better or worse than the system you describe just makes you sound like a cranky old man yelling at clouds.Not being from the US, but finding it maximally annoying to feel pressure to tip everyone, constantly: what exactly are the benefits to the system? Because giving a dollar bill to the barman every time he takes the cap off of my beer just makes me want to buy a case of beer and stay at home. Unless the benefits to the system are higher rates of alcoholism.
gerrymander: bunner: Wyalt Derp: Welcome to 0bama's Amercia!- 82345862856923789457826478568264895682746 / 10 Seriously, it's not eve ironic or cute anymore.I wouldn't say that. Federal government overregulation that destroys a small business made up of progressives to serve a tax-and-spend agenda is pretty ironic.
MycroftHolmes: The tipping system offers consumers a chance to directly impact a service providers income and therefore provide an immediate feedback system. You don't like a server's performance, don't tip him. If the majority of people feel as you do (if the person is a truly bad server), they will be unable to continue at that job without improving.
curriemaster: MycroftHolmes: The tipping system offers consumers a chance to directly impact a service providers income and therefore provide an immediate feedback system. You don't like a server's performance, don't tip him. If the majority of people feel as you do (if the person is a truly bad server), they will be unable to continue at that job without improving.I guess my issue is that the default = tip rather than good service = tip.For the barman example, he says "What will it be?" and I say "Beer of the day, barkeep!" whereupon he opens a beer and says "3 dollars please". This is about as neutral as service gets and yet I am obliged, nay expected, to throw a dollar in the tip jar; which represents a solid 33%. I use a bar as an example because there is often minimal interaction but multiple tipping opportunities, however restaurant service can often be similar.Poor feedback system:Positive = +moneyNeutral = +moneyNegative = no moneyBetter feedback system:Positive = +moneyNeutral = no moneyNegative = -money?Obviously Im not proposing that. But the onus of staff suitability for the job should not be placed upon the shoulders of the customer. In most industries the responsibility of evaluating a worker's effectiveness is their manager's...why should it be different for food industry service staff?
MycroftHolmes: It is pretty accepted that 10 to 15 percent is neutral, and that wait staff pay reflects that. In the barkeep example, it is perfectly fair to tip one dollar every couple of drinks. In that case, though, at a busy bar, the barkeep will be more apt to serve the heavier tippers.I disagree wholeheartedly that the customer is the wrong person to evaluate performance. Most companies spend a LOT of money and effort (surveys, focus groups, loyalty card programs) trying to obtain and measure customer opinion. The tipping system boils it down to a direct and immediate interaction
curriemaster: Serving Person A? Bad tip. Serving Person B? Great tip. How, as a server, are you supposed to know the cause of the difference between the two values? How can you learn from that?
enderthexenocide: i don't think it is either of those things. it's hardly straightforward, since everyone has different opinions about how much to tip and what constitutes good or bad service. i'm sure we've all gone out to dinner with someone who feels that if the waiter doesn't kiss their ass the entire meal, then they don't deserve a tip. and some people will leave a tip no matter how bad the service is, because they don't want people to think they're cheap or mean. there really is no standard procedure for tipping, everyone does it differently. and another thing that bothers me is that the "acceptable" amount for tipping keeps changing, once upon a time it was 10% and then 13% and now it's 17% or something. is there some sort of newsletter i should get to inform me when they increase the arbitrary amount for "acceptable" tipping? is the waiter supposed to tell me what the going rate is? how else am i supposed to know?i just want to pay for my food. i don't want to have to read someone's mind to guess what i should pay. because no matter what i do, some people call me a cheapskate and other people think i'm being way too generous.
SoxSweepAgain: If you read TFA, you'll see that the restaurant now simply adds a 20% "service charge".If that's what you anti-tipper people want, zero choice, well... whatever.
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