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(WILX Michigan)   To the joy of your 20 year-old self, GM is bringing the Camaro back to the USA. GM suggests leaving your mullet and White Snake cassettes in the past, however   (wilx.com) divider line 69
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2012-12-20 01:18:07 AM
biatchin'
 
2012-12-20 01:28:04 AM
I drove past a car lot and it caught my eye...then I saw "Camaro" and it kinda lost it's appeal.
 
2012-12-20 02:19:08 AM
Someone should do a Kickstarter to get one for Joe Biden.
 
/too soon?
 
2012-12-20 09:59:20 AM
of course they are. It's a right to work state
 
2012-12-20 10:02:38 AM
So you're saying if i want a Camaro i should buy one soon before they start makign them in the states, right?
 
2012-12-20 10:02:47 AM
www.blogcdn.com

/approves
 
2012-12-20 10:03:44 AM
If I happen to run you down, please don't leave a scratch.
 
2012-12-20 10:04:50 AM

jaybeezey: So you're saying if i want a Camaro i should buy one soon before they start makign them in the states, right?


The Lansing plant it is getting moved to is actually slightly ahead of Oshawa in terms of quality.
 
2012-12-20 10:12:30 AM
20 year olds cannot afford the modern Camaro, which has Corvette like pricing for any decent model
 
2012-12-20 10:17:50 AM
"Whitesnake". One word, dammit.
 
2012-12-20 10:18:41 AM
UAW workers cheer.
CAW workers scream betrayal.
Everyone else: who gives a flying fark?
 
2012-12-20 10:30:52 AM
www.demeterclarc.com
 
2012-12-20 10:37:15 AM

JuicePats:


came for this.

/numerous times
 
2012-12-20 10:39:45 AM

Chagrin: "Whitesnake". One word, dammit.


media.mlive.com

"And it's Whitesnakes. And their singer is David Coverdales."

/"shut-up, Randy!"
 
2012-12-20 10:41:22 AM
GM will never succeed until it stops trying to milk nostalgia and starts generating new IP
 
2012-12-20 10:41:26 AM

NowhereMon: biatchin'


Damn you. Came here only for that, leaving with a weird mix of anger and respect for the Power Of Fark. If it had to be done, I suppose I'm just glad it was done in one.
 
2012-12-20 10:43:01 AM

NowhereMon: biatchin'


Pants full of macaroni!!: If I happen to run you down, please don't leave a scratch.


Yeah, my parents just drove one up from the Bahamas...
 
2012-12-20 10:44:41 AM

mekkab: NowhereMon: biatchin'

Pants full of macaroni!!: If I happen to run you down, please don't leave a scratch.

Yeah, my parents just drove one up from the Bahamas...


Hey there. Where ya headed?
 
2012-12-20 10:46:43 AM
That is great news, now where to find info on the incoming model....
 
2012-12-20 10:50:44 AM
It's more of a skullet now, but no, you can't have it.
 
2012-12-20 11:01:11 AM
I'll not be impressed until they do one with a V8 for the price of a Cruze.
 
2012-12-20 11:05:44 AM
api.ning.com
 
The Endless Summer of '83.
 
2012-12-20 11:11:58 AM
Ain't no 20 year old buying the current version of the eighties' pony cars. I was able to attend college and work part-time AND afford a 1985 Mustang GT, gas and insurance.

Try that with a 2012 GT or Camaro, etc.
 
2012-12-20 11:15:38 AM

majestic: Ain't no 20 year old buying the current version of the eighties' pony cars. I was able to attend college and work part-time AND afford a 1985 Mustang GT, gas and insurance.

Try that with a 2012 GT or Camaro, etc.


The fully loaded Camaro is just a Buick with a really big engine for baby boomers that want the creature comforts of a Buick but won't be caught driving anything with that nameplate.

The Cobalt SS was supposed to be the pony car for lower incomes, but it got the axe.
 
2012-12-20 11:17:12 AM

majestic: Ain't no 20 year old buying the current version of the eighties' pony cars. I was able to attend college and work part-time AND afford a 1985 Mustang GT, gas and insurance.

Try that with a 2012 GT or Camaro, etc.


To be fair, the WRX pretty much destroyed any chance GM has in that market
 
2012-12-20 11:18:43 AM

Lost Thought 00: majestic: Ain't no 20 year old buying the current version of the eighties' pony cars. I was able to attend college and work part-time AND afford a 1985 Mustang GT, gas and insurance.

Try that with a 2012 GT or Camaro, etc.

To be fair, the WRX pretty much destroyed any chance GM has in that market


Also gas prices and insurance companies catching onto the fact that a teenager in something with 300 HP a giant farking liability.
 
2012-12-20 11:38:09 AM

ha-ha-guy: Lost Thought 00: majestic: Ain't no 20 year old buying the current version of the eighties' pony cars. I was able to attend college and work part-time AND afford a 1985 Mustang GT, gas and insurance.

Try that with a 2012 GT or Camaro, etc.

To be fair, the WRX pretty much destroyed any chance GM has in that market

Also gas prices and insurance companies catching onto the fact that a teenager in something with 300 HP a giant farking liability.


That's why modern muscle cars (Camaro, Challenger, Mustang) are really marketed to older dudes. The modern muscle cars are more expensive but much better than their ancestors, and they're also pretty impractical to own, so they only make sense as a "third car," which most 20-somethings can't afford. That's why we're seeing a lot more hot hatches (which are a lot cheaper and more practical, while still being pretty fast) for the 20-something crowd, while the muscle car segment is aimed at older guys with more disposable income.
 
2012-12-20 11:38:45 AM
I wanted a classic muscle car from my childhood, so I bought an M3.

Superior in just about every way to a Camaro, the primary reason being, it's not a Camaro.
 
2012-12-20 11:39:32 AM
A new phallus symbol being made in the USA !
I'll show you my Mustang if you show me your Camaro.
 
2012-12-20 11:43:01 AM

Lost Thought 00: majestic: Ain't no 20 year old buying the current version of the eighties' pony cars. I was able to attend college and work part-time AND afford a 1985 Mustang GT, gas and insurance.

Try that with a 2012 GT or Camaro, etc.

To be fair, the WRX pretty much destroyed any chance GM has in that market


WRX ain't cheap, and ain't fuel efficient, either. Teenagers of today buy lean towards 90s model Japanese cars for tinkering(Supra, CRX/Civic, 300ZX, Eclipse, some Subies and RX7s but they're harder to work on than others, etc) as the car and parts are cheap, the cars are mostly mechanical, and the mileage is respectable. You still see some with 60s and 70s era muscle cars(Novas, Mustangs mainly), but the mileage is so poor that it doesn't work out so well anymore, plus a decent non-rusted car is harder to come by these days at a reasonable price.
 
2012-12-20 11:44:55 AM

Chagrin: "Whitesnake". One word, dammit.


So subby isn't a fan, I guess.

I think the point goes to subby.
 
2012-12-20 11:53:35 AM
A 1985 Mustang GT had 210 HP with a 5.0L V8.

A 2013 Ford Focus has 252 HP with a 2.0 L 4 cylinder.
 
2012-12-20 12:02:14 PM

TheGreatGazoo: A 1985 Mustang GT had 210 HP with a 5.0L V8.

A 2013 Ford Focus has 252 HP with a 2.0 L 4 cylinder.


To be fair, it's not proper to use muscle car numbers post-72 through the early 90s. It took that long for US automakers to work through smog regulations, bean counters, and other items before boosting HP numbers to anything even close to the 60s numbers.
 
2012-12-20 12:06:43 PM

GoldDude: UAW workers cheer.
CAW workers scream betrayal.
Everyone else: who gives a flying fark?


Would the UAW be around if it's a right to work state?
 
2012-12-20 12:22:43 PM

TheGreatGazoo: A 1985 Mustang GT had 210 HP with a 5.0L V8.

A 2013 Ford Focus has 252 HP with a 2.0 L 4 cylinder.


1984 Camaro had 90 hp "Iron Duke"  2.5L 4 cylinder.
 
Worst muscle car ever.
 
2012-12-20 12:26:15 PM

change1211: Would the UAW be around if it's a right to work state?


Yes. Right to work doesn't outlaw unions, but it DOES effectively removes any incentive for joining them. Unions exist in right to work states, but they are incredibly feeble. This is the whole reason why Republicans like right to work laws, since it dis-unifies and weakens a key Democratic voting bloc.
 
2012-12-20 12:30:04 PM
The official car of "Peaked in High School".

/did
//I'd love one
 
2012-12-20 12:31:50 PM
Where's my El Camino, damnit!
 
das
2012-12-20 12:38:46 PM

Rapmaster2000: TheGreatGazoo: A 1985 Mustang GT had 210 HP with a 5.0L V8.

A 2013 Ford Focus has 252 HP with a 2.0 L 4 cylinder.

1984 Camaro had 90 hp "Iron Duke"  2.5L 4 cylinder.

Worst muscle car ever.


I had a '76 Vega GT with the same engine.
 
2012-12-20 12:45:48 PM
Ah, the new "Camaro", with the ever-desirable Abrams tank styling, rivalled only by by the 300M troop carrier and the new "Charger" armoured vehicle design.

/hunker like the wind
 
2012-12-20 01:03:45 PM
Subby?

The Camaro is already back in the US and has been for a few years now.

Next time be a little more specific.
 
2012-12-20 01:05:47 PM
If it doesn't have a t-top, it's not really a Camaro in my opinion.
 
2012-12-20 01:08:24 PM
Lame ass subby. I'll leave my corduroy bell bottoms and 8-track of Foghat Live in the past...

/these young whipper-snappers
 
2012-12-20 01:09:55 PM

Rapmaster2000: TheGreatGazoo: A 1985 Mustang GT had 210 HP with a 5.0L V8.

A 2013 Ford Focus has 252 HP with a 2.0 L 4 cylinder.

1984 Camaro had 90 hp "Iron Duke"  2.5L 4 cylinder.

Worst muscle car ever.


Jesus. I thought my 78 camero with the 135hp 305 was shiat.

Hell, it's a screamer!
 
2012-12-20 01:13:33 PM
GM hasn't made a decent vehicle in about 50 years. They're a joke. So is Chrysler. Ford is better, but still turns out mostly crap.

American car companies have zero quality control. They are *purely* about maximizing short-term profits.

Honestly, the Japanese makers are the only ones that actually make good stuff. Even the German makers don't get it. BMW, Mercedes, and Volkswagen are ridiculously unreliable.
 
2012-12-20 01:31:38 PM
Semi-related, but maybe now dealers can almost-justify how the Camaro costs $7,000 more at a dealer just outside where it's made (Oshawa, ON, Canada) than at a dealer in friggin' Texas, 3000 km away.

/Vehicle price disparity still a huge issue up here.
//Daytime running lights and French literature do not cost an extra $7000
 
2012-12-20 01:40:57 PM

Nexzus: Semi-related, but maybe now dealers can almost-justify how the Camaro costs $7,000 more at a dealer just outside where it's made (Oshawa, ON, Canada) than at a dealer in friggin' Texas, 3000 km away.

/Vehicle price disparity still a huge issue up here.
//Daytime running lights and French literature do not cost an extra $7000


Yeah, I really can't figure out why there is still that huge markup in Canada despite extreme parity we Canadian dollar also. Of course, it works out well for my state, since we wind up with a lot of shopper coming down from BC to hit the Bellingham malls and Costco.
 
2012-12-20 01:49:12 PM
So what's the modern equivalent of a mullet and the White Snake cassette: a faux hawk and Mumford & Sons on Pandora?
 
2012-12-20 01:52:25 PM

tennessee.hillbilly: mekkab: NowhereMon: biatchin'

Pants full of macaroni!!: If I happen to run you down, please don't leave a scratch.

Yeah, my parents just drove one up from the Bahamas...

Hey there. Where ya headed?


I'm headed to the shore to see my favorite band Crystal shiat.
 
2012-12-20 01:59:45 PM

StrikitRich: So what's the modern equivalent of a mullet and the White Snake cassette: a faux hawk and Mumford & Sons on Pandora?


We have the alternative rock station on at work, and Mumford & Sons' shiatty new song plays 5-6 times a day. It's not even a good song. Just sing "I will wait" 175 times and you have a hit, apparently.
 
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