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2012-12-19 10:19:32 PM  
12 votes:
Hm. She may be onto something. After all, Columbine was entirely run by women, as well. And what if there had been men in the theater at Aurora? We may be on the verge of solving this violence problem, people. 
 
Also, this idiocy is getting shared all over the place, re-blogged, re-posted, etc. etc. ad nauseum. Which means that the vapid soulless biatch who wrote it has learned, as did the likes of Limbaugh, Coulter, Stern, Beck, and all the other "I'll say anything as long as it gets me coverage and money" assholes in the world did long ago, that as long as you're willing to spout the vilest stupidity you can imagine, you get attention. You get page views. You get paid. Which in the end means you get hired to write more vile stupidity. And so it goes, the circle of life.
 
The day this whore (and yes, she is a whore, not of the body but of the mind) writes something like this and gets...nothing...she dies. They all do.
2012-12-19 08:13:37 PM  
10 votes:
a feminized setting is a setting in which helpless passivity is the norm.
 
Fark you.
 
No. Seriously.
 
Fark you.
2012-12-20 04:02:00 AM  
9 votes:
That teacher who died protecting her class had more guts than the write of the article ever will.
2012-12-19 08:24:55 PM  
8 votes:
I blame (group you hate here) because they (action you don't like) so we should (your political goal here)!
2012-12-19 09:51:30 PM  
7 votes:
Wow.  That b*tch is a f*cking c*nt
2012-12-19 08:18:40 PM  
7 votes:
The first two sentences in this Charlotte Allen piece contain five factual errors. @BuzzFeedAndrew


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2012-12-19 08:46:37 PM  
6 votes:

Dusk-You-n-Me: nmrsnr: Citation needed? Not that I doubt it, but anyone can underline things in yellow and say they're mistakes.


I trust the source. This story has been intensely covered and scrutinized. Andrew's no schlub.


Well, I decided to look, and in five seconds on google I found Sandy Hook Elementary's staff directory, and, what do you know?

1) Sandy Hook is a K-4 school, so no 11-12 year old boys.
2) There's a 4th grade teacher named Mr. Varga, and
3) The "head custodian" is someone named Kevin,

To be fair, since the position doesn't say "janitor" I'm going to assume the person who wrote the article didn't know "custodian" means the same thing.
2012-12-19 09:24:39 PM  
5 votes:
Stupid like that should be so painful it kills.
2012-12-19 08:50:36 PM  
5 votes:
There's a shiatload of great reasons for there to be more male teachers, especially in elementary schools. ((csb) My dad was an elementary school teacher - the only one whose students never used construction paper for anything unless it was battleship gray.(/csb))
 
As far as the positives of male teachers go, massacre prevention comes in somewhere behind "can get the folding wall in the gym unstuck".
2012-12-19 08:38:02 PM  
5 votes:
I don't want to sound rude or anything, but I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around Charlotte Allen's ten-mile deep stupidity.
2012-12-20 07:56:33 AM  
4 votes:
Has anyone pointed out yet that there WAS a strong tough-guy male involved here?

He's the one that shot the kids.
2012-12-20 04:53:48 AM  
4 votes:
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The feminization and sexism in the k-12 system is a real and serious problem and i think she is at least partially correct. It creates an environment where it is very difficult for young men to succeed and they end up socially isolated, failing, and frustrated.
2012-12-20 04:04:49 AM  
4 votes:
Women and small children are sitting ducks for mass-murderers.

Everyone is, you dumb f*ck. F*ck you.
2012-12-19 11:23:19 PM  
4 votes:

Weaver95: Think of what Sandy Hook might have been like if a couple of male teachers who had played high-school football, or even some of the huskier 12-year-old boys, had converged on Lanza. 
 
...there would have been a bunch of dead jocks mixed in with the dead kids and teachers.
 
playing high school football does not give you mystical immunity to bullets for the rest of your life.

 
Arnold Schwarzenegger is a man.
Arnold Schwarzenegger is muscular.
Arnold Schwarzenegger can dodge bullets.
Arnold Schwarzenegger is a conservative.
Arnold Schwarzenegger starred in Kindergartner Cop.
Arnold Schwarzenegger protected his students.
 
Ergo, schools need more Arnold Schwarzeneggers.
 
QED
2012-12-19 11:02:20 PM  
4 votes:
The fact that a woman is spouting such misogynistic claptrap is mind-boggling.
2012-12-19 09:01:54 PM  
4 votes:

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2012-12-19 08:20:04 PM  
4 votes:
I like that "reading specialist" is in quotes. Probably because it's not a "real job."
2012-12-20 09:10:49 AM  
3 votes:

doglover: And without reading the article I'm guessing she's got a point, probably, about how women should be more assertive and take bold actions instead of just letting themselves be victimized.


I guess the women who hid the children, who ran through the halls alerting people, who lunged at the attacker, who shielded children with their own bodies were not being assertive enough for you. fark you.
2012-12-20 09:00:32 AM  
3 votes:

2xcited: Can't fark with biology, men are hunter gatherers women do the nuturing. It was sad, some of the teachers were hugging the students as bullets ripped through both of their bodies. Of course we do have girly men too, ever see a white male, Obama voter.


Also known as 'sane men'.
2012-12-20 06:59:53 AM  
3 votes:
God dammit, what is it with the conservative obsession with victim-blaming? It's like criminals are just this force of nature who we neither can nor should do anything about and who are in no way culpable for their actions. Everything bad happens because the victims (especially if they're women) did something wrong. "If only they'd been armed". "If only they hadn't been girls". "If only they'd been smart enough to do this or that".

Fark that, it's "If only a nutcase hadn't decided to steal his mother's guns and take his frustrations out on a class of 6 year-olds." It's the criminal's fault. It's always the criminal's fault. It does not matter who the victim was, because the criminal is fully responsible for taking the impetus to act. We're obsessed with putting forward policies to prevent the creation of victims, but we're relatively silent concerning policies to prevent the creation of criminals.

(and if this person is trying to blame the feminization of society, try pointing out the gender of the vast majority of the shooters in these incidents. Although, their response would probably be along the lines, "That's because women don't have the guts to do something like this," like it's a bad thing)
2012-12-20 06:12:39 AM  
3 votes:
In case no one's mentioned it:

Sandy Hook was K-4, not K-6.

Men have not been "forced out" of primary education. As a man who has taught primary I can attest that we're quite welcome generally, and they want more of us because it's widely believed among educators that the present rarity of male teachers is not a good thing.

There were male teachers at Columbine. The coach, presumably a relatively fit and bold man, was shot dead by scrawny teens. (He accomplished some good in evacuating students, but female teachers did that too.)

This idea FTFA: "Think of what Sandy Hook might have been like if [...] even some of the huskier 12-year-old boys, had converged on Lanza." appears out of touch with reality. Setting aside the fact that the oldest boys present were about 10, even the most devoted partisans of masculinity would not wish to see 12-year-old boys charging into gunfire, nor would any sensible person expect them to change the outcome if they had done so.
2012-12-20 05:43:29 AM  
3 votes:

Ishkur: I've see women upset.

They are anything but passive.


Given the choice of getting into a physical altercation with a man or a woman, I'll take the man. Men fight for status, women fight for blood.
2012-12-20 04:30:26 AM  
3 votes:
If only there were another shooting, with which could be compared to Sandy Hook. A shooting which provided an overwhelming number of males as potential victims. Young males. Young virile teen males, who no doubt would exhibit that special male courage and ability to not die during a mass shooting.

Let's go to the board. Aurora shooting for 200, Alex.

8 males died, 4 females. 58 people shot. The fact that the gunman's weapon jammed probably prevented a lot more death.

Yes, a theater full of mostly young males, versed in violence and violent action, who outnumbered the shooter 400 to 1, failed to subdue and stop said shooter.
2012-12-20 03:18:10 AM  
3 votes:

Gulper Eel: There's a shiatload of great reasons for there to be more male teachers, especially in elementary schools. ((csb) My dad was an elementary school teacher - the only one whose students never used construction paper for anything unless it was battleship gray.(/csb))
 
As far as the positives of male teachers go, massacre prevention comes in somewhere behind "can get the folding wall in the gym unstuck".


Yeah, but men have pretty much been driven out of the profession thanks to the very real fear of being accused of something by a kid and having their lives ruined because Little Johnny was pissed he got a C.
 
...yet it's mostly women and teenaged boys you hear about, not men and their students.
 
/until you get to the college level, but hey, everyone's legal there.
2012-12-20 01:33:12 AM  
3 votes:
for me, it's not so much that someone wrote that or even believes it. It's that they have a staff and a boss who read it, nodded their heads in agreement, and published it.
2012-12-20 12:32:35 AM  
3 votes:
I just want to kick this woman in the taco.
2012-12-19 11:55:14 PM  
3 votes:
Yes, right wing nutjobs, pissing off women is an outstanding electoral strategy.
2012-12-19 11:17:39 PM  
3 votes:
I was wrong. She was just being a coont.

Oh well. C'est la news.
2012-12-19 11:15:13 PM  
3 votes:
Think of what Sandy Hook might have been like if a couple of male teachers who had played high-school football, or even some of the huskier 12-year-old boys, had converged on Lanza.
 
...there would have been a bunch of dead jocks mixed in with the dead kids and teachers.
 
playing high school football does not give you mystical immunity to bullets for the rest of your life.
2012-12-20 11:35:31 AM  
2 votes:
Things that cause gun violence:
 
Not enough God in schools.
Not enough guns in schools.
Not enough manly men in schools.
Too many womenfolk in schools.
Not enough children with guns.
Not enough children trained to carry out human wave attacks.
Satan.
Autism.
Asperger's Syndrome.
Mental illness.
Video games.
Quentin Tarantino.
Jon Stewart.
Abortion pills.
Gay marriage.
Atheists.
LIBOR.
The theory of evolution. 
 
Things that don't cause violence:
 
Unfettered access to guns by crazy people
2012-12-20 11:03:54 AM  
2 votes:

HailRobonia: Don't Troll Me Bro!: monoski: Major Nadal gunned down 13 people on an Army base that was primarily occupied by men. I think the logic is faulty.

So is the stuff about God being allowed back in the classroom. I love pointing out that
Vatican City has 61 times the police per capita as the United States. If only they'd let God into Vatican City.

To be fair, it also has the highest per-capita crime rate.


Good thing they've god Jaysus watching their backs. Just think how bad their crime rates would be, if they didn't worship the shiat out of God. They'd look like Norway, that place where churches get burned and all that Satanic music comes from. Oh wait, they have one of the lowest murder rates in the world. I'm confused. It's almost like this diety shiat makes no sense and is nothing more than a way to control stupid people.
2012-12-20 08:03:43 AM  
2 votes:
There is only one woman to blame from the information that has been released to date, and I seriously doubt she was a feminist. That would be his mother.
2012-12-20 06:25:07 AM  
2 votes:
Husky 12 year olds to 12 year old husks in two bullets.
2012-12-20 05:25:35 AM  
2 votes:

Sparky14439: The Kelly School shooter was run down and captured by two MEN - nearby construction workers who heard the gunshots, saw him shooting, ran at him, and tackled him.

"O'Rourke was captured when a construction worker building a school cafeteria hit him with a truck and two others wrestled away the gun.

"
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/16/carlsbad-school-shooting-su sp ect-was-sane_n_1354178.html
 
still, you know those women drivers...
2012-12-20 04:55:01 AM  
2 votes:

Sparky14439: That's correct: The man who went and opened fire on a crowd of several hundred elementary school students on a playground in Carlsbad, CA on October 8, 2010 - stated he chose that school because the other schools he scouted out had visible male employees and male crossing guards.


I'm sure he would have gone home and lived peacefully if he was unable to find a school lacking male employees.
2012-12-20 04:45:00 AM  
2 votes:
What they were wearing may have been a factor too. If they were acting alluringly and leading him on I mean.

What I'm really trying to say is: Was it a legitimate shooting, or where they asking for it?

Because if it was a legitimate shooting I'm told by experts that some nearby manly men have ways of shutting that whole thing down.
2012-12-20 04:41:25 AM  
2 votes:
What helpless passivity in a feminized setting may look like:

www.nypost.com
2012-12-20 04:03:38 AM  
2 votes:
I've see women upset.

They are anything but passive.


/hell, fury and all that
2012-12-19 10:03:06 PM  
2 votes:

djkutch: So, the conservative position is that women are basically useless?

Good to know.


They certainly don't seem to want them for sex.
2012-12-19 09:28:14 PM  
2 votes:
Hey, Charlotte Allen, come here for a second, I got something to say to you. Imma let you finish... but I wanna show you something real quick
 
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2012-12-19 08:55:41 PM  
2 votes:
So, the conservative position is that women are basically useless?

Good to know.
2012-12-19 08:48:14 PM  
2 votes:
Everyone knows that bullets bounce off of men.
2012-12-19 08:35:07 PM  
2 votes:

nmrsnr: Citation needed? Not that I doubt it, but anyone can underline things in yellow and say they're mistakes.

 
 
I trust the source. This story has been intensely covered and scrutinized. Andrew's no schlub.
2012-12-19 08:33:14 PM  
2 votes:
Oh, and I wonder why conservatives have a hard time winning over the female demographic? I can't imagine why.
2012-12-19 08:31:10 PM  
2 votes:

Dusk-You-n-Me: The first two sentences in this Charlotte Allen piece contain five factual errors. @BuzzFeedAndrew


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Citation needed? Not that I doubt it, but anyone can underline things in yellow and say they're mistakes.
 
Also, whoever wrote that piece is painfully stupid, do people just not say "wow, you're a terrible person" when they say things in public?
2012-12-19 08:28:25 PM  
2 votes:
I blame Mexican drug cartels because they play loud music so we should legalize lawn darts.
2012-12-19 08:21:59 PM  
2 votes:
Enough bullshiat for 31 acres.  Cheers, National Review
2012-12-20 03:13:25 PM  
1 vote:
Fark the line of reasoning that this woman uses.

By virtue of being born male, I DID NOT sign up to be the bodyguard of society.
2012-12-20 02:00:13 PM  
1 vote:

giftedmadness: Of course men are more likely to stop someone than women.  Protip:  Men are stronger and more likely to stop someone via their strength than women are.  Is that such a shocker?

 
Oh, how I wish I could honestly answer yes:  oh, yes, I am shocked to find this kind of hateful ignorance being spewed on the Internet, more than a decade into the 21st century.  I would love to be astonished and amazed to find such an atavism, like Margaret Mead discovering a lost tribe in the Amazon still holding onto a Stone-Age lifestyle.
 
But, no, alas, I am not shocked after reading your post.  My feelings are more like annoyance, like I have stumbled across some dog poo in the park because some inconsiderate pet owner neglected to pick up after Fluffy again.
 
Perhaps in future threads someone will clean up after themselves better.
2012-12-20 01:06:07 PM  
1 vote:
I'm from a city where a guy waked into an engineering school, about as male-dominated an environment as you're likely to find, and slaughtered 14 women. The men couldn't do anything because the killer had A BIG-ASS GUN. Some students later committed suicide from the guilt and trauma. That asshole really needs to shut the fark up.
2012-12-20 12:46:31 PM  
1 vote:
Actually it is due to a woman... Lanza's mother.

You knew your son was having problems. Should have kept your shiat locked up tight or not on the premises.
2012-12-20 12:41:53 PM  
1 vote:

Polly Ester: I've been seeing screeds by gender studies harpies and eunuchs all week about the eebil man-gun-culture.

And this is the article fark focuses on.

Typical.


Are you too passive to submit links?
2012-12-20 12:24:08 PM  
1 vote:

log_jammin: Sparky14439: Not only did he choose the school because he noted that there were no visible male employees or male crossing guards - apparently sitting outside the school early in the morning and noting who entered the building. The police found his written notes on each school he scouted.

citation please.


It doesn't matter. I'm quite sure that the opinion of one school shooter doesn't qualify as a valid sociological analysis of gender roles.
2012-12-20 12:21:08 PM  
1 vote:

BSABSVR: Things that cause gun violence:

Not enough God in schools.
Not enough guns in schools.
Not enough manly men in schools.
Too many womenfolk in schools.
Not enough children with guns.
Not enough children trained to carry out human wave attacks.
Satan.
Autism.
Asperger's Syndrome.
Mental illness.
Video games.
Quentin Tarantino.
Jon Stewart.
Abortion pills.
Gay marriage.
Atheists.
LIBOR.
The theory of evolution.

Things that don't cause violence:

Unfettered access to guns by crazy people


This is what conservatives really think.
2012-12-20 11:43:23 AM  
1 vote:

ongbok: There is only one woman to blame from the information that has been released to date, and I seriously doubt she was a feminist. That would be his mother.


I am not sure about the mother. I think she did some things wrong (introducing her batshiat crazy son to guns was definitely WRONG) but I also think that she was dealing with something that she just couldn't handle.

I have PTSD because someone who owns a lot of guns threatened and stalked me. You want me to defend myself, guys? Come at me, bro--I will farking KEEL YOU. Touch me and I will try to put you in the hospital.

I don't really consider that to be a positive change. It's just what happened. It's a mystery to me why some people want to go around acting like everyone in the world is a threat to them. But you know what--that's how my ex thinks too. The crazy one who owns all the guns and scared the shrinks who were trying to deal with him. I'm just saying.
2012-12-20 11:42:55 AM  
1 vote:

umad: Fart_Machine: umad: Befuddled: Maybe I'm giving the average dolt too much credit, but I'm beginning to believe that the right's insistence to remain insane after this horrible wake-up call will be one of the final nails in the coffin of the insane right. I just don't see how any semi-rational person can take the right seriously anymore when all they offer up is mind-bogglingly stupid and nearly as disconnected from reality as the shooter apparently was.

Yeah, it is the right that is insane. Everybody knows that the time to make drastic policy changes is when the stats have been improving for two decades (like it has been with violent crime). Maybe we should freak out and change a bunch of shiat whenever we hear about a company going out of business even when the economy is doing well too?

You guys want to swat flies with nukes. YOU are the crazies here. We're going to end up with the PATRIOT act II: Electric Boogaloo thanks to you tards.

You just proved his point. Congratulations I guess.

Yeah, we should just shut up and go along with whatever kneejerk legislation our betters can push through while we are still emotional. That has always worked out well in the past. Fark you.


No we should just pray more, give everyone firearms, and have more husky males around to deflect bullets. You sound emotional. Umad?
2012-12-20 10:45:02 AM  
1 vote:
As usual, Think Progress is BS'ing, and people are flying off in to "This isn't what your point was but I'm going to pretend that it was so I can be all pissed off"

The overall point was that people have got to learn to fight back and not just cower in a corner. After some previous school shootings some areas began to try teaching people that. They even had drills where somebody with a "gun" would come in to the class room wearing protecting gear and the kids began throwing everything they could reach at them.

Grab a any small metal object or a pen and attempt to rip the would be killer apart with it.

Of course we had the usual suspects running forward going "Nooo! You can't DO that!"

But going on the premise that TP isn't spewing BS and what they say is actually true for a change?

Once again I will say: Exploiting a tragedy for personal or political reasons is repugnant unless they're your personal or political reasons... Right?
2012-12-20 10:38:21 AM  
1 vote:

Tumunga: apoptotic: Mercutio74: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Is he trolling? I thought he was making jokes.

Oh... If that's the case, I hope he starts being funny soon so that we can tell one way or the other.

Don't hold your breath. I've had his posts marked in Safety Orange, which I save for hopeless cases, for quite a while.

Woooooo-Hooooooo!!!

I do thank you for not just putting me on your iggy list. The people who ignore everyone they don't agree with, apparently have been raised in that feminized world this lady is talking about.


People aren't ignoring you because they don't agree with you. They're ignoring you because you're kind of a douche.
2012-12-20 09:34:59 AM  
1 vote:

WhippingBoy: That's one of the most disgusting articles I've read in a long time. The principal and teachers selfishly sacrificed themselves in order to save others. That's far more brave and "manly" than most of the men on this planet (and certainly more so than those pathetic cowards that require assault rifles or concealed weapons to feel "brave").

Nice country you've got there, America. The rest of the world is pointing at you and laughing.


I'm not laughing. In addition to having a lot of American friends/relatives that I wish didn't have to deal with all this shiat, looking around me it's apparent that whatever's going wrong down there is contagious and leaking over the border.
2012-12-20 09:30:09 AM  
1 vote:

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2012-12-20 09:11:39 AM

Mouser: Male aggression can be a good thing, as in protecting the weak - but it has been forced out of the culture of elementary schools and the education schools that train their personnel.

She's not blaming women, she's blaming a "feminized" (read: "effeminate") culture that excludes masculine values of aggressive defense against threats.

So, yeah. She's blaming the queers. It's the same reason we're losing the war in Afghanistan.

Hmm, so a young male goes around shooting people and the fault is that young males aren't being encouraged to be aggressive enough?



Yes.
The shooter was not a "tough guy". Quite the opposite.
He was a scared little puss with rage for all the people he felt inferior to. Much like a large number of Farkers.
2012-12-20 09:29:12 AM  
1 vote:

JonnyG: Can't we just agree that the real problem here is that a large chunk of the population is just simply messed up? Whether they're shooting up schools, arguing to carry more weapons, paying taxes to help line the pockets of big corporations, dictating countries under the cloak of democracy, or believing that an eagle snatched a baby on camera... People are messed up in the head and we, as a society, are doomed.


One of the side-effects of "American Exceptionalism" is that we don't have the ability to effectively criticize ourselves, since we're ideologically opposed to the notion that we're in serious competition with others. It's fertile ground for the crazies, who take over before our Exceptionalism-blinders allow us to see it.
2012-12-20 09:29:01 AM  
1 vote:

Lost Thought 00: That site needs banned from the internet


No. It provides a valuable service by making conservatives look stupid.
2012-12-20 09:22:22 AM  
1 vote:

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Coco LaFemme: Apos: The fact that a woman is spouting such misogynistic claptrap is mind-boggling.

I sadly know a few women who honestly believe men are better than women, and that they should be subject to their husbands.  What's funny is that none of them are particularly religious.

I met some of them during the recall effort last winter. Basically they didn't want to sign the recall petition because important stuff like that should be left up to the men. Sad.


Conservative women are often indistinguishable from women suffering from Battered Wife Syndrome.
2012-12-20 09:11:39 AM  
1 vote:

Mouser: Male aggression can be a good thing, as in protecting the weak - but it has been forced out of the culture of elementary schools and the education schools that train their personnel.

She's not blaming women, she's blaming a "feminized" (read: "effeminate") culture that excludes masculine values of aggressive defense against threats.

So, yeah. She's blaming the queers. It's the same reason we're losing the war in Afghanistan.


Hmm, so a young male goes around shooting people and the fault is that young males aren't being encouraged to be aggressive enough?
2012-12-20 08:47:08 AM  
1 vote:
Ah, another Hero Complex woman, who thinks that Men Are Awesome At Getting Shot and are Completely Expendable Bullet Sponges For Protecting Women With Their Bullet Absorbing Bodies.

Got news for ya, chica- it's 2012, that means that when people start shooting, I hit the ground and expect you'll do the same- I do NOT jump in front of you to shield you from bullets with my soft, fleshy body. You don't want me to see you just as a set of tits and a warm wet hole, don't then see me as an expendable hero character who dies nobly for nothing so you can go down on a live middle manager to try and see if you can get a raise and finally afford that BMW you've always wanted.

Nah, I'm too busy with my own pathetic middle-manager aspirations, TYVM. Nobility will get you a statue in the park, but dogged pursuit of short-term and long-term goals gets you head from other aspiring career types. I don't need a statue.
2012-12-20 08:40:26 AM  
1 vote:
Conservatives are really showing their true colors in the wake of this massacre. There's no hypothetical response to this shooting that is more disgusting than the ones championed by the right. They truly worship the notion of being the most awful people they can possibly be.
2012-12-20 08:20:54 AM  
1 vote:

PunGent: doglover: I blame Mexican drug cartels because they play loud music so we should legalize lawn darts.

Your proposal makes more sense than the National Review's, sadly.

My theory is that there must, statistically speaking, be some modern US conservatives of average intelligence left...somewhere.


Yeah, he's named Obama.
2012-12-20 08:00:32 AM  
1 vote:

EmmaLou: "Helpless passivity?" This woman must've been homeschooled because teenaged girls are the complete opposite of that. I lie how the principal who rushed the shooter "seemed" to be acting bravely. From what I've heard, all of the adults were (not seemed to be) brave and did whatever they could.


The sad part of that to me is that 'what they could' do was cower and try to hide because they were completely defenseless.

ShannonKW: There were male teachers at Columbine. The coach, presumably a relatively fit and bold man, was shot dead by scrawny teens. (He accomplished some good in evacuating students, but female teachers did that too.)


Because when one person without a weapon tries to fight two people who have guns, it usually doesn't go so well for the one without a weapon.

Fast Moon: God dammit, what is it with the conservative obsession with victim-blaming?


It's not victim blaming to say that it is tragic that the adults in that situation lacked any capacity at all to respond to the situation with any level of defense and that their only options were to get shot first.

Lanza shot himself as sirens approached. As soon as he knew that people with guns who could stop him were coming, he killed himself. If Newtown was like where I grew up and police response time was 30 minutes to an hour, how high would the body count be then?

Millennium: OK, so I actually agree that our society has taken on an attitude of helplessness and passivity that has indeed become extremely problematic.


It's not 'male' or 'female', but the passive helplessness (I've heard it called passive compliance as well) doesn't help anyone. Spree shooters like this do not stop until they either are stopped by someone or know that they're about to meet armed resistance. Columbine is the only outlier here, and that's because it wasn't planned as a spree shooting. It was a failed bombing, and when Harris and Klebold realized that he bombing was a failure, they killed themselves.

Every other case ends because eventually the criminal isn't the only one who's armed and they sure as shiat do not want a fair fight.
2012-12-20 07:46:21 AM  
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Thunderpipes: Women are the most responsible for a shift to liberalism, so sure, why not?

Going to get worse before it gets better. Now all you liberal "men" are not even men anymore, just womanized males.

You put in mind of one of those people who has crazy ass self written signs on their cars or the people who sit with signs saying Hell is Hot. You wanna stir shiat but you're also a little out there. Mental illness and misogyny isn't a good mix.
2012-12-20 07:40:42 AM  
1 vote:
Women are the most responsible for a shift to liberalism, so sure, why not?

Going to get worse before it gets better. Now all you liberal "men" are not even men anymore, just womanized males.
2012-12-20 07:16:48 AM  
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mittromneysdog: Why are conservatives so god damn stupid? Seriously, how did this happen?


Seriously? I think it's mainly a problem of not being able to slap down your own, so when they run riot there's no one to rein them in. And, of course your opponents aren't going to stop them making a mockery of your cause.

The same thing happens to liberals. Remember Afrocentrism, just to take one example. You had these nut-jobs rewriting history and generally being schizophrenic in public, and the liberals just had to grin a bear it because they needed them for the votes. Well, now it looks like conservatives are getting their chance to facepalm over drunk relatives.

There's nothing wrong with people who favor restraint and traditionalism in matters of policy any more than there is with those who favor new approaches with a view to improve things. The sincere moderates on both sides of the divide are sane and well-meaning. It's too bad that they find it so hard to compromise and work together because we let raving freaks polarize us.
2012-12-20 07:01:44 AM  
1 vote:
Conservatism: Where women are only good for washing dishes and men are only good for catching bullets. Thank fark there's a large enough portion of the country with a less depressing worldview.
2012-12-20 06:49:18 AM  
1 vote:
Why are conservatives so god damn stupid? Seriously, how did this happen?
2012-12-20 06:33:50 AM  
1 vote:
So, last I checked:

1) The Principal tried to tackle she shooter.
2) One of the teachers selflessly threw herself in the path of bullets to save her class.
3) Both were women.
4) The National Review has a really bizarre definition of "helpless passivity".
5) It takes a lot of courage to write something like this, clearly.
2012-12-20 05:58:20 AM  
1 vote:
I think if republicans can STFU for two weeks they might be more respectable
2012-12-20 05:56:10 AM  
1 vote:

david_gaithersburg: One of the few well reasoned articles on the topic.


Goodbye, asshole.
2012-12-20 05:52:39 AM  
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Ed Grubermann: Serious Black: giftedmadness: Wow, yet another misleading and trollish headline on fark.  The person who submitted this headline makes the leap from "more males on campus might have prevented the tragedy" to "the women on campus are responsible for the tragedy".  What a leap of logic!  What a worthless troll.  Of course men are more likely to stop someone than women.  Protip:  Men are stronger and more likely to stop someone via their strength than women are.  Is that such a shocker?  That does not mean that the women on site should be held responsible for the gunmen's actions.  Nobody is saying that.  Trollish, straw manish, dumbfarks.

QFTA: "But in general, a feminized setting is a setting in which helpless passivity is the norm."

I'm really glad your posts show up in bright orange now.

You don't have that piece of shiat on ignore yet? What the hell is wrong with you?


I don't have any pieces of shiat on ignore. I tag them like graffiti instead.
2012-12-20 05:36:54 AM  
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Sparky14439: log_jammin: Sparky14439: The man who went and opened fire on a crowd of several hundred elementary school students on a playground in Carlsbad, CA on October 8, 2010 - stated he chose that school because the other schools he scouted out had visible male employees and male crossing guards.

well I found this
http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/carlsbad/exclusive-kelly-elementar y- shooter-says-he-scouted-second-school/article_0f5f3e1e-f223-5eed-a48b- 98a9e0e51805.html

It states that he choose the school because "settled on Kelly Elementary School because it had easy access "

and my other google search turned up this

Your search - "Brendan Liam O'Rourke" "crossing guards" - did not match any documents.

And? I happen to work in the neighborhood. I happen to have co-workers who have kids who were attending the school at the time of the incident and were in the courtroom for the trial. I happen to work on contract with the San Diego Sheriffs Dept. and Carlsbad PD and know some of the officers who arrested O'Rourke.


I happen to have an in with God. He told me you're going to Hell and that you're going to be surrounded by fat women with no teeth, flat chests, and non-existent libidos for all eternity. Sorry I can't provide proof that I actually got that message from him though. I guess you'll have to believe me naively.
2012-12-20 05:08:39 AM  
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The other thing I failed to point out about the Kelly School Shooter...

Not only did he choose the school because he noted that there were no visible male employees or male crossing guards - apparently sitting outside the school early in the morning and noting who entered the building. The police found his written notes on each school he scouted.

The Kelly School shooter was run down and captured by two MEN - nearby construction workers who heard the gunshots, saw him shooting, ran at him, and tackled him.
2012-12-20 05:00:18 AM  
1 vote:

Sparky14439: The man who went and opened fire on a crowd of several hundred elementary school students on a playground in Carlsbad, CA on October 8, 2010 - stated he chose that school because the other schools he scouted out had visible male employees and male crossing guards.

 
well I found this
http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/carlsbad/exclusive-kelly-elementar y- shooter-says-he-scouted-second-school/article_0f5f3e1e-f223-5eed-a48b- 98a9e0e51805.html
 
It states that he choose the school because "settled on Kelly Elementary School because it had easy access "
 
and my other google search turned up this
 
Your search - "Brendan Liam O'Rourke" "crossing guards" - did not match any documents.
2012-12-20 04:56:22 AM  
1 vote:

Fark You I'm Drunk: Phil Moskowitz: I would pay real money to watch her evacuate her bowels when someone pointed a gun right between her eyes.

Yeah, but the point is a man wouldn't react like that.


Unless he's been feminized.
2012-12-20 04:48:53 AM  
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Runs_With_Scissors_: a feminized setting is a setting in which helpless passivity is the norm.

Fark you.

No. Seriously.

Fark you.


Good answer. That bullshiat article isn't even worth debating.
2012-12-20 04:21:17 AM  
1 vote:
You know it's bad when Mein Ten Pounds of Krusher can't even post a Democrat who said something worse 5 years ago.
2012-12-20 04:09:43 AM  
1 vote:

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2012-12-20 02:27:44 AM  
1 vote:
I have a friend(female) who thinks that women are inferior than men and that no woman should ever be president or get into politics.
 
When I told her that a muslim woman had been the president of pakistan, I thought her head would explode.
2012-12-20 01:45:17 AM  
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Mentat: Weaver95: Think of what Sandy Hook might have been like if a couple of male teachers who had played high-school football, or even some of the huskier 12-year-old boys, had converged on Lanza.

...there would have been a bunch of dead jocks mixed in with the dead kids and teachers.

playing high school football does not give you mystical immunity to bullets for the rest of your life.

Arnold Schwarzenegger is a man.
Arnold Schwarzenegger is muscular.
Arnold Schwarzenegger can dodge bullets.
Arnold Schwarzenegger is a conservative.
Arnold Schwarzenegger starred in Kindergartner Cop.
Arnold Schwarzenegger protected his students.

Ergo, schools need more Arnold Schwarzeneggers.

QED


We're working on it, but these things take time.

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2012-12-20 12:35:00 AM  
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AbbeySomeone: Apos: Coco LaFemme: Apos: The fact that a woman is spouting such misogynistic claptrap is mind-boggling.

I sadly know a few women who honestly believe men are better than women, and that they should be subject to their husbands.  What's funny is that none of them are particularly religious.


*Shakes head*   How sad indeed.

I've known a few of them and they will straight faced tell you that if women just learned to listen then things would run smoother,not saying assertive women are to blame for anything but..


Women and men are equally foolish.

If ya'll would just listen to ME, things would run smoother.
2012-12-19 11:41:20 PM  
1 vote:
I just did a quick Google search, turns out that it was a WOMAN who gave birth to Adam Lanza.
2012-12-19 11:21:58 PM  
1 vote:

doglover: I was wrong. She was just being a coont.

Oh well. C'est la news.

 
We're now on the same page, my friend.
2012-12-19 09:38:19 PM  
1 vote:

trivial use of my dark powers: I wondered when the assholes would get around to blaming women, though I thought it would be the eternal conservative bugaboo "feminists" rather then all women. Once again, Cons, insulting over half the population is not the way to win national elections.

As to what would have happened if a couple of ex high school football playing men tried to tackle Lanza? They would have been killed. Testosterone is not an effective bullet shield.



They are not blaming women. This asserts the need for big,strong, heavily armed neanderthal males to be present in any situation for your own good and omfg think of the good of the children!
2012-12-19 09:31:33 PM  
1 vote:
I wondered when the assholes would get around to blaming women, though I thought it would be the eternal conservative bugaboo "feminists" rather then all women. Once again, Cons, insulting over half the population is not the way to win national elections.

As to what would have happened if a couple of ex high school football playing men tried to tackle Lanza? They would have been killed. Testosterone is not an effective bullet shield.
2012-12-19 09:11:22 PM  
1 vote:
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2012-12-19 08:56:21 PM  
1 vote:

Mentat: Everyone knows that bullets bounce off of   heterosexual men.

 
true
2012-12-19 08:38:04 PM  
1 vote:

nmrsnr: Dusk-You-n-Me: The first two sentences in this Charlotte Allen piece contain five factual errors. @BuzzFeedAndrew


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Citation needed? Not that I doubt it, but anyone can underline things in yellow and say they're mistakes.

Also, whoever wrote that piece is painfully stupid, do people just not say "wow, you're a terrible person" when they say things in public?


There's a mail fourth-grade teacher although I don't know if he was present that day. And the head custodian is male, although ditto.
2012-12-19 08:28:43 PM  
1 vote:
I've heard this same excuse for why men don't go to church.
 
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