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(Salon)   Only the fine patriots at the National Review have the cojones to ID the real culprit in the Sandy Hook shooting: women   (salon.com) divider line 426
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2012-12-20 03:18:10 AM  

Gulper Eel: There's a shiatload of great reasons for there to be more male teachers, especially in elementary schools. ((csb) My dad was an elementary school teacher - the only one whose students never used construction paper for anything unless it was battleship gray.(/csb))
 
As far as the positives of male teachers go, massacre prevention comes in somewhere behind "can get the folding wall in the gym unstuck".


Yeah, but men have pretty much been driven out of the profession thanks to the very real fear of being accused of something by a kid and having their lives ruined because Little Johnny was pissed he got a C.
 
...yet it's mostly women and teenaged boys you hear about, not men and their students.
 
/until you get to the college level, but hey, everyone's legal there.
 
2012-12-20 03:54:51 AM  
Male aggression can be a good thing, as in protecting the weak

MAXXZZIMUM TROLLING dot jpeg
 
2012-12-20 04:02:00 AM  
That teacher who died protecting her class had more guts than the write of the article ever will.
 
2012-12-20 04:03:38 AM  
I've see women upset.

They are anything but passive.


/hell, fury and all that
 
2012-12-20 04:03:52 AM  
Damn biatches should get out of the school, get back in the kitchen, and make me some farking sammiches!
 
2012-12-20 04:04:49 AM  
Women and small children are sitting ducks for mass-murderers.

Everyone is, you dumb f*ck. F*ck you.
 
2012-12-20 04:06:03 AM  
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2012-12-20 04:07:34 AM  
Self-hating twat-waffle. I'd say Bill Buckley is spinning in his grave but fark him. He was a master troll
 
2012-12-20 04:09:43 AM  
Sponsored by Mountain Dew
 
2012-12-20 04:13:57 AM  
Wow, yet another misleading and trollish headline on fark.  The person who submitted this headline makes the leap from "more males on campus might have prevented the tragedy" to "the women on campus are responsible for the tragedy".  What a leap of logic!  What a worthless troll.  Of course men are more likely to stop someone than women.  Protip:  Men are stronger and more likely to stop someone via their strength than women are.  Is that such a shocker?  That does not mean that the women on site should be held responsible for the gunmen's actions.  Nobody is saying that.  Trollish, straw manish, dumbfarks.
 
2012-12-20 04:14:39 AM  

AbbeySomeone: Mentat: Everyone knows that bullets bounce off of   heterosexual men.

true


Heterosexual men who played high-school football.
 
2012-12-20 04:14:57 AM  
According to reports, she activated the school's public-address system and also lunged at Lanza, before he shot her to death.

I was so pissed off that I missed this part. Seriously, does this dumbass think that someone with balls is going to not get shot to death?
 
2012-12-20 04:15:24 AM  
Think of what Sandy Hook might have been like if a couple of male teachers who had played high-school football, or even some of the huskier 12-year-old boys, had converged on Lanza.

She doesn't even have the mental capacity to think this through? Bullets don't go "Oh, shiat! It's a MAN! U-TURN!!"
 
2012-12-20 04:15:50 AM  
Sounds like her parents screwed her up pretty well growing up.
 
2012-12-20 04:15:53 AM  

giftedmadness: What a leap of logic!  What a worthless troll.  Of course men are more likely to stop someone than women.


/facepalm
 
2012-12-20 04:17:20 AM  
SuccessfulTrollIsSuccessful.jpg

A winrar is troll
 
2012-12-20 04:19:05 AM  
This is why we can't have nice things.
 
2012-12-20 04:20:22 AM  

giftedmadness: Wow, yet another misleading and trollish headline on fark.  The person who submitted this headline makes the leap from "more males on campus might have prevented the tragedy" to "the women on campus are responsible for the tragedy".  What a leap of logic!  What a worthless troll.  Of course men are more likely to stop someone than women.  Protip:  Men are stronger and more likely to stop someone via their strength than women are.  Is that such a shocker?  That does not mean that the women on site should be held responsible for the gunmen's actions.  Nobody is saying that.  Trollish, straw manish, dumbfarks.


QFTA: "But in general, a feminized setting is a setting in which helpless passivity is the norm."

I'm really glad your posts show up in bright orange now.
 
2012-12-20 04:20:27 AM  

Coco LaFemme: Stupid like that should be so painful it kills.


Seriously.

Especially when you consider that accounts (pretty much all I've heard at least) are that the teachers concentrated on SAVING the lives of their students, rather than attempting to stop him and possibly getting more people killed. No one can say definitively what would have been the more effective response, but they did what they knew would save lives, to the best of their training. I'd like to see how this author would react in the same situation.
 
2012-12-20 04:21:17 AM  
You know it's bad when Mein Ten Pounds of Krusher can't even post a Democrat who said something worse 5 years ago.
 
2012-12-20 04:22:23 AM  

ladyfortuna: Especially when you consider that accounts (pretty much all I've heard at least) are that the teachers concentrated on SAVING the lives of their students, rather than attempting to stop him and possibly getting more people killed. No one can say definitively what would have been the more effective response, but they did what they knew would save lives, to the best of their training. I'd like to see how this author would react in the same situation.


This.
 
2012-12-20 04:22:26 AM  

Serious Black: I'm really glad your posts show up in bright orange now.


I went with "shadowy conspiracy grey".
 
2012-12-20 04:25:03 AM  
Reading the article and wondering what exactly do editors do nowadays because it sure ain't editing.

Boy that whole piece is a stinker
 
2012-12-20 04:27:02 AM  
Okay, so I guess if my boys grow up to be husky when they're 11 and 12 years old, I should encourage them to gang up with all the other husky preteen boys, in the event of a mass shooting in their school, and attempt to overpower the shooter.

www5.picturepush.com
 
2012-12-20 04:27:07 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Yeah, but men have pretty much been driven out of the profession thanks to the very real fear of being accused of something by a kid and having their lives ruined because Little Johnny was pissed he got a C.

...yet it's mostly women and teenaged boys you hear about, not men and their students.

/until you get to the college level, but hey, everyone's legal there.


Came here to mention this.

My father is retired now after teaching in public schools for his entire life. He told me last year that he would tell ANY man who thought about teaching to not do it. He cited a lot of reasons - Teaching to the Test, Zero Tolerance/Zero Brain Cells, inability to keep discipline/Authority taken away from teachers in the classroom, Stupid Bureaucracy, Grade inflation pressure, helicopter parents, etc but his #1 reason was the liability and how a single pissed-off girl could not only end your career but get your ass hauled into court and jail with a single false accusation.

/Apparently that happened to a friend of his a few years ago.
//girl was pissed over grades apparently
 
2012-12-20 04:29:26 AM  

Alphax: giftedmadness: What a leap of logic!  What a worthless troll.  Of course men are more likely to stop someone than women.

/facepalm


facepalm = nice debating
 
2012-12-20 04:30:26 AM  
If only there were another shooting, with which could be compared to Sandy Hook. A shooting which provided an overwhelming number of males as potential victims. Young males. Young virile teen males, who no doubt would exhibit that special male courage and ability to not die during a mass shooting.

Let's go to the board. Aurora shooting for 200, Alex.

8 males died, 4 females. 58 people shot. The fact that the gunman's weapon jammed probably prevented a lot more death.

Yes, a theater full of mostly young males, versed in violence and violent action, who outnumbered the shooter 400 to 1, failed to subdue and stop said shooter.
 
2012-12-20 04:31:21 AM  

giftedmadness: Alphax: giftedmadness: What a leap of logic!  What a worthless troll.  Of course men are more likely to stop someone than women.

/facepalm

facepalm = nice debating


Who's debating? Plonk!
 
2012-12-20 04:32:22 AM  

Serious Black: giftedmadness: Wow, yet another misleading and trollish headline on fark.  The person who submitted this headline makes the leap from "more males on campus might have prevented the tragedy" to "the women on campus are responsible for the tragedy".  What a leap of logic!  What a worthless troll.  Of course men are more likely to stop someone than women.  Protip:  Men are stronger and more likely to stop someone via their strength than women are.  Is that such a shocker?  That does not mean that the women on site should be held responsible for the gunmen's actions.  Nobody is saying that.  Trollish, straw manish, dumbfarks.

QFTA: "But in general, a feminized setting is a setting in which helpless passivity is the norm."

I'm really glad your posts show up in bright orange now.


Yes, that statement is true.  What about my statement was wrong?
 
2012-12-20 04:34:19 AM  

calbert: I just did a quick Google search, turns out that it was a WOMAN who gave birth to Adam Lanza.


tbh both parents contributed but -- was he on prescription anti-depressants?

Was his mother once employed at Sandy Hook Elementary?

Did she quit once she started raking in 289k a year in alimony for her one minor son, Adam, in 2009, the same year she was in fact training him to fire her assault rifle?

Those are the facts MSM has led me to believe are true.
 
2012-12-20 04:35:21 AM  

Alphax: giftedmadness: Alphax: giftedmadness: What a leap of logic! What a worthless troll. Of course men are more likely to stop someone than women.

/facepalm

facepalm = nice debating

Who's debating? Plonk!


of course the men -- men, not children -- should step forward, if only to offer false bravado in front of the females -- and you realize you're being heroic and you try to do anything to save the day -- to impress the females
 
2012-12-20 04:36:50 AM  

Alphax: giftedmadness: Alphax: giftedmadness: What a leap of logic!  What a worthless troll.  Of course men are more likely to stop someone than women.

/facepalm

facepalm = nice debating

Who's debating? Plonk!


um, that's exactly my point, douche.  You aren't debating, you're just being a jackass.
 
2012-12-20 04:41:25 AM  
What helpless passivity in a feminized setting may look like:

www.nypost.com
 
2012-12-20 04:43:44 AM  
How does the author remember to breath?
 
2012-12-20 04:45:00 AM  
What they were wearing may have been a factor too. If they were acting alluringly and leading him on I mean.

What I'm really trying to say is: Was it a legitimate shooting, or where they asking for it?

Because if it was a legitimate shooting I'm told by experts that some nearby manly men have ways of shutting that whole thing down.
 
2012-12-20 04:46:00 AM  

Coco LaFemme: Apos: The fact that a woman is spouting such misogynistic claptrap is mind-boggling.

I sadly know a few women who honestly believe men are better than women, and that they should be subject to their husbands.  What's funny is that none of them are particularly religious.


Bob Altemeyer's - The Authoritarians

People often ask me two questions when they know as much about right-wing
authoritarians as I've told you so far. 1) Who scores higher, men or women? and 2)
Have scores on the scale gone up or down over the decades? Virtually every study I
know of has found men and women score about the same, on the average. Men
probably tend to be more aggressive than women, but women are supposed to be more
conventional, so it seems to even out.


Husbands have traditionally be the ones in charge. That must be for a good reason!
 
2012-12-20 04:47:08 AM  
Facepalm. The amount of sic fukers in this world never ceases to amaze me.
 
2012-12-20 04:48:13 AM  

giftedmadness: Serious Black: giftedmadness: Wow, yet another misleading and trollish headline on fark.  The person who submitted this headline makes the leap from "more males on campus might have prevented the tragedy" to "the women on campus are responsible for the tragedy".  What a leap of logic!  What a worthless troll.  Of course men are more likely to stop someone than women.  Protip:  Men are stronger and more likely to stop someone via their strength than women are.  Is that such a shocker?  That does not mean that the women on site should be held responsible for the gunmen's actions.  Nobody is saying that.  Trollish, straw manish, dumbfarks.

QFTA: "But in general, a feminized setting is a setting in which helpless passivity is the norm."

I'm really glad your posts show up in bright orange now.

Yes, that statement is true.  What about my statement was wrong?


What, does your orange brain think men caused the school to have a "feminized setting" with a norm of "helpless passivity"?
 
2012-12-20 04:48:20 AM  

milkyshirt: Okay, so I guess if my boys grow up to be husky when they're 11 and 12 years old, I should encourage them to gang up with all the other husky preteen boys, in the event of a mass shooting in their school, and attempt to overpower the shooter.


what the f*ck are we feeding these kids all this violent imagery in video games, movies, and tv for if they're not going to be heroic -- didn't they hear about the aurora shooting in July? Yeah plead guilty, no case, safe in a fed pen my ass he's an assassin with no name raping hookers in south america
 
2012-12-20 04:48:36 AM  

Commander Lysdexic: Because if it was a legitimate shooting I'm told by experts that some nearby manly men have ways of shutting that whole thing down.


Nice!
 
2012-12-20 04:48:41 AM  
The shooter/would-be bomber at Kelly Elementary School in 2010 was unable to kill himself before being captured. He told police that the reason he chose Kelly Elementary school was specifically because after spending weeks scouting out all of the Carlsbad, CA elementary schools, Kelly School had the lowest fences and had no visible male employees or male crossing guards.

That's correct: The man who went and opened fire on a crowd of several hundred elementary school students on a playground in Carlsbad, CA on October 8, 2010 - stated he chose that school because the other schools he scouted out had visible male employees and male crossing guards.
 
2012-12-20 04:48:53 AM  

Runs_With_Scissors_: a feminized setting is a setting in which helpless passivity is the norm.

Fark you.

No. Seriously.

Fark you.


Good answer. That bullshiat article isn't even worth debating.
 
2012-12-20 04:49:07 AM  
at gunpoint.
 
2012-12-20 04:49:13 AM  
I would pay real money to watch her evacuate her bowels when someone pointed a gun right between her eyes.
 
2012-12-20 04:51:24 AM  

Sparky14439: The shooter/would-be bomber at Kelly Elementary School in 2010 was unable to kill himself before being captured. He told police that the reason he chose Kelly Elementary school was specifically because after spending weeks scouting out all of the Carlsbad, CA elementary schools, Kelly School had the lowest fences and had no visible male employees or male crossing guards.

That's correct: The man who went and opened fire on a crowd of several hundred elementary school students on a playground in Carlsbad, CA on October 8, 2010 - stated he chose that school because the other schools he scouted out had visible male employees and male crossing guards.


Seems unlikely that someone would choose to shoot up a school, but not care which one, beyond visible security.
 
2012-12-20 04:51:32 AM  

hamfast gamgee: Good answer. That bullshiat article isn't even worth debating.


if it was indeed hosted by 'buzzfeedandrew' and that is a real, actual link to it on buzzfeed, and buzzfeed has a reputation to uphold, if it were not true, would they let him publish it on their site?

/don't you hate it when you have to verify info yourself?
//people are f*cking stupid and nothing is ever obvious -- this kid had one hell of a motive for doing what he did -- if it was even him who did it -- i want to see testimony of everyone who was there that survived, "kids say the damnedest things" no kids speak the f*ckin truth until they're scolded for revealing something they shouldn't have said but they want to be proud of contributing something
 
2012-12-20 04:51:33 AM  

sendtodave: Coco LaFemme: Apos: The fact that a woman is spouting such misogynistic claptrap is mind-boggling.

I sadly know a few women who honestly believe men are better than women, and that they should be subject to their husbands.  What's funny is that none of them are particularly religious.

Bob Altemeyer's - The Authoritarians

People often ask me two questions when they know as much about right-wing
authoritarians as I've told you so far. 1) Who scores higher, men or women? and 2)
Have scores on the scale gone up or down over the decades? Virtually every study I
know of has found men and women score about the same, on the average. Men
probably tend to be more aggressive than women, but women are supposed to be more
conventional, so it seems to even out.

Husbands have traditionally be the ones in charge. That must be for a good reason!


There sure is. Men can slap their biatches repeatedly until the get back in the farking kitchen where they belong damnit.

/unless they're in bed polishing their man's knob
 
2012-12-20 04:52:24 AM  
One of the few well reasoned articles on the topic.
 
2012-12-20 04:53:14 AM  

Serious Black: giftedmadness: Serious Black: giftedmadness: Wow, yet another misleading and trollish headline on fark.  The person who submitted this headline makes the leap from "more males on campus might have prevented the tragedy" to "the women on campus are responsible for the tragedy".  What a leap of logic!  What a worthless troll.  Of course men are more likely to stop someone than women.  Protip:  Men are stronger and more likely to stop someone via their strength than women are.  Is that such a shocker?  That does not mean that the women on site should be held responsible for the gunmen's actions.  Nobody is saying that.  Trollish, straw manish, dumbfarks.

QFTA: "But in general, a feminized setting is a setting in which helpless passivity is the norm."

I'm really glad your posts show up in bright orange now.

Yes, that statement is true.  What about my statement was wrong?

What, does your orange brain think men caused the school to have a "feminized setting" with a norm of "helpless passivity"?


WTF.  Please use a quote of mine that would lead you to believe that is what I think.
 
2012-12-20 04:53:48 AM  
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The feminization and sexism in the k-12 system is a real and serious problem and i think she is at least partially correct. It creates an environment where it is very difficult for young men to succeed and they end up socially isolated, failing, and frustrated.
 
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