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(The Daily Beast) Video Bob Schieffer: "Would public policy change more quickly if the Sandy Hook shooter wasn't white?"   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 70
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2012-12-19 09:36:48 PM  
No.  It was clear to me within hours of what happened that this was a game changer because of the number of children killed.   
 
It hasn't been a week yet. No matter what color he was, nothing would have changed by now. But things will change. Like it or not, I think everyone knows that.
 
2012-12-19 09:36:54 PM  
I think we'd be less afraid if he wasn't white. We're used to that. We're not quite used to white kids going on murdering sprees...EVEN THOUGH IT'S USUALLY WHITE PEOPLE THAT GO ON MURDERING SPREES here in America.
 
2012-12-19 10:19:51 PM  
yes but the policy would be "see I told you *insert minority* was no good"
 
2012-12-19 10:22:45 PM  

jaylectricity: I think we'd be less afraid if he wasn't white. We're used to that. We're not quite used to white kids going on murdering sprees...EVEN THOUGH IT'S USUALLY WHITE PEOPLE THAT GO ON MURDERING SPREES here in America.


That's less a color thing and more an economic thing. They make up a larger part of the upper class so they tend to be able to afford more powerful weaponry. They're also less likely to be in prison.
 
2012-12-19 10:23:13 PM  
No negro, nobody had any outcry Mcbeefy pants shot up 37 people. We didn't go through this exact same scenario back then.
 
2012-12-19 10:23:19 PM  
No, because then liberals would hesitate more and Republicans would push too far with the racist crap
 
2012-12-19 10:24:23 PM  

jaylectricity: I think we'd be less afraid if he wasn't white. We're used to that. We're not quite used to white kids going on murdering sprees...EVEN THOUGH IT'S USUALLY WHITE PEOPLE THAT GO ON MURDERING SPREES here in America.


Because they're usually smart enough not to get caught.
 
2012-12-19 10:24:29 PM  

moothemagiccow: jaylectricity: I think we'd be less afraid if he wasn't white. We're used to that. We're not quite used to white kids going on murdering sprees...EVEN THOUGH IT'S USUALLY WHITE PEOPLE THAT GO ON MURDERING SPREES here in America.

That's less a color thing and more an economic thing. They make up a larger part of the upper class so they tend to be able to afford more powerful weaponry. They're also less likely to be in prison.


More than anything, it's just the law of small sample sizes.
 
2012-12-19 10:25:11 PM  
Yeah, saw that Sunday. He's right: Remember the Norway nut? Everybody reported that as coordinated Mooselimb terrah attacks right up until the minute the pictures started showing up. THEN it was all about 'Let's not jump to conclusions'.

Why is the supposedly 'Liberal Media' so pants pissingly terrified to call right wing extremists what they are? I don't recall that being the case in the early 70's and 80's when it was violent left wing extremists who were operating in the US and Europe.
 
2012-12-19 10:25:31 PM  
White people be shooting up schools, work

Black be shooting up each other
 
2012-12-19 10:26:02 PM  

serpent_sky: No.  It was clear to me within hours of what happened that this was a game changer because of the number of children killed.

It hasn't been a week yet. No matter what color he was, nothing would have changed by now. But things will change. Like it or not, I think everyone knows that.


I doubt any significant change will happen
 
2012-12-19 10:28:18 PM  

MFAWG: Yeah, saw that Sunday. He's right: Remember the Norway nut? Everybody reported that as coordinated Mooselimb terrah attacks right up until the minute the pictures started showing up. THEN it was all about 'Let's not jump to conclusions'.

Why is the supposedly 'Liberal Media' so pants pissingly terrified to call right wing extremists what they are? I don't recall that being the case in the early 70's and 80's when it was violent left wing extremists who were operating in the US and Europe.


Fear of losing money.

Fox News and all the conservative talk show hosts raking in the cash show them they cannot afford to piss off that many people.
 
2012-12-19 10:33:36 PM  
Oh, things will probably change, it just won't be the change we need. If there's one thing the US is good at, it's making symbolic policy changes that inconvenience the greatest number of innocent people possible while doing pretty much next to nothing to fix the actual problem (TSA, anyone?).
 
2012-12-19 10:35:29 PM  
demand the police racially profile da honkies
 
2012-12-19 10:37:07 PM  

serpent_sky: No.  It was clear to me within hours of what happened that this was a game changer because of the number of children killed.

It hasn't been a week yet. No matter what color he was, nothing would have changed by now. But things will change. Like it or not, I think everyone knows that.


You'll have to excuse me if I don't believe you. No matter how bad the disaster/tragedy/recession/etc., and no matter how strong the public support, when it comes to tackling difficult issues with politically powerful opposition, our government has a long and distinguished history of talking big then doing absolutely nothing to actually accomplish anything. All they have to do is pretend they're working on it for a few weeks, and our fleabrained public will be back to whatever the latest bullshiat on TV is.
 
2012-12-19 10:43:40 PM  

thisiszombocom: demand the police racially profile da honkies


Seriously: Shouldn't we be keeping an eye on these folks? 100k worth of ammunition? That shiat actually has a shelf life.
 
2012-12-19 10:45:35 PM  

Emposter: serpent_sky: No.  It was clear to me within hours of what happened that this was a game changer because of the number of children killed.

It hasn't been a week yet. No matter what color he was, nothing would have changed by now. But things will change. Like it or not, I think everyone knows that.

You'll have to excuse me if I don't believe you. No matter how bad the disaster/tragedy/recession/etc., and no matter how strong the public support, when it comes to tackling difficult issues with politically powerful opposition, our government has a long and distinguished history of talking big then doing absolutely nothing to actually accomplish anything. All they have to do is pretend they're working on it for a few weeks, and our fleabrained public will be back to whatever the latest bullshiat on TV is.


Yeah I predict this blowing over as soon as it starts testing poorly with CNN et al
 
2012-12-19 10:48:36 PM  
Would it have even made the news if the kids killed hadn't been white?
 
2012-12-19 10:48:42 PM  
Well, when Colin Ferguson shot a bunch of commuters on the LIRR in '93, nobody talked about improving access to mental health care, even though he showed some obvious signs of mental illness during his trial. The assault weapons ban was passed ten months later.

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I'd say the reaction was just slightly different.
 
2012-12-19 10:49:12 PM  
What if there had been a white hispanic guarding the school as a neighborhood watch man?

assets.nydailynews.com

/see how white he is?
 
2012-12-19 11:04:32 PM  
What a moron.

"Well after 9/11..."

Not to burst your bubble there but 9/11 was worlds away different than Sandy Hook. The two events are not even remotely comparable. What is comparable is the Ft Hood shooting vs the Sandy Hook shooting. What was the response to the Ft. Hood shooting?

Now reporter person, ask your question again, and you will realize it was a stupid question.
 
2012-12-19 11:11:21 PM  

serpent_sky: No.  It was clear to me within hours of what happened that this was a game changer because of the number of children killed.

It hasn't been a week yet. No matter what color he was, nothing would have changed by now. But things will change. Like it or not, I think everyone knows that.


I agree, it is a game changer in the debate. I just think it is a shame it took something like the Sandy Hook tragedy to finally allow a debate on guns to be held considering we have had congressional hearing on non-existant fabricated "problems" like Sharia Law taking over America or an all male hearing on women's health alread.

I am a gun owning Democrat, but we need some common sense gun laws. It is the NRA and the conservative gun lobby's fault things have gotten so out of hand. Maybe if they would have supported common sense gun legislation rather than the gun free-for-all we seem to have now, there wouldn't have been a need for this conversation.
 
2012-12-19 11:13:24 PM  
Honestly it doesn't matter what policy changes are made,
there are 300,000,000 guns out there already.

You can't legislate evil away.
 
2012-12-19 11:13:59 PM  

Emposter: serpent_sky: No.  It was clear to me within hours of what happened that this was a game changer because of the number of children killed.

It hasn't been a week yet. No matter what color he was, nothing would have changed by now. But things will change. Like it or not, I think everyone knows that.

You'll have to excuse me if I don't believe you. No matter how bad the disaster/tragedy/recession/etc., and no matter how strong the public support, when it comes to tackling difficult issues with politically powerful opposition, our government has a long and distinguished history of talking big then doing absolutely nothing to actually accomplish anything. All they have to do is pretend they're working on it for a few weeks, and our fleabrained public will be back to whatever the latest bullshiat on TV is.


Or posting in the comments section of a right-leaning political aggregate.
 
2012-12-19 11:16:57 PM  

heavymetal: I am a gun owning Democrat, but we need some common sense gun laws.


Such as?
 
2012-12-19 11:35:02 PM  

beta_plus: What if there had been a white hispanic guarding the school as a neighborhood watch man?

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x540]

/see how white he is?


 
You seriously tried that?
 
2012-12-19 11:36:04 PM  

GoldSpider: heavymetal: I am a gun owning Democrat, but we need some common sense gun laws.

Such as?


Well first of all, ban people from blocking the discussion or demanding instant fixes so some real solutions can be developed.  Let's start there.
 
2012-12-19 11:38:47 PM  

Emposter: All they have to do is pretend they're working on it for a few weeks, and our fleabrained public will be back to whatever the latest bullshiat on TV is.


But all the shows are ending soon, or already ended for the season! What will we do?!?
 
2012-12-19 11:39:54 PM  

lordjupiter: Well first of all, ban people from blocking the discussion or demanding instant fixes so some real solutions can be developed. Let's start there.


That would be a very good start.
 
2012-12-19 11:41:15 PM  

GoldSpider: lordjupiter: Well first of all, ban people from blocking the discussion or demanding instant fixes so some real solutions can be developed. Let's start there.

That would be a very good start.


 
Ok we're rolling.  What's next?  Let's ban holiday music.  I hate that shiat.
 
2012-12-19 11:42:38 PM  

heavymetal: serpent_sky: No.  It was clear to me within hours of what happened that this was a game changer because of the number of children killed.

It hasn't been a week yet. No matter what color he was, nothing would have changed by now. But things will change. Like it or not, I think everyone knows that.

I agree, it is a game changer in the debate. I just think it is a shame it took something like the Sandy Hook tragedy to finally allow a debate on guns to be held considering we have had congressional hearing on non-existant fabricated "problems" like Sharia Law taking over America or an all male hearing on women's health alread.

I am a gun owning Democrat, but we need some common sense gun laws. It is the NRA and the conservative gun lobby's fault things have gotten so out of hand. Maybe if they would have supported common sense gun legislation rather than the gun free-for-all we seem to have now, there wouldn't have been a need for this conversation.


I'm all for some changes to our sun policy that would make things safer, but what is there that we can really do? 
IIRC from stats thrown at us over the last few days that some 95% or gun murders are done with hand guns. 
Further, Since his mom already had the weapons and ammo what changes to the law could have prevented the Sandy Hook tragedy from occurring?  I want to do what we can to prevent another mass murder like this, but realistically what can be done? 
 
I'm honestly asking here, I just don't (personally) have any useful answers to these questions.
 
2012-12-19 11:45:43 PM  
Another thin to think about, murder, guns at schools and all sorts of shiat is already illegal. What difference will more laws make?  It seems to me that if someone has the will to do something like this, the laws of the books aren't going to weigh very heavily on their minds. If we restrict access to weapon A, they will just use weapon B instead. I think, as has been mentioned over and over that the weak link is our mental healthcare system, not access to weapons. =(
 
2012-12-19 11:48:16 PM  

lordjupiter: Ok we're rolling. What's next? Let's ban holiday music. I hate that shiat.


And Christmas shiat in stores before November!!
 
2012-12-19 11:51:01 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: Another thin to think about, murder, guns at schools and all sorts of shiat is already illegal. What difference will more laws make?  It seems to me that if someone has the will to do something like this, the laws of the books aren't going to weigh very heavily on their minds. If we restrict access to weapon A, they will just use weapon B instead. I think, as has been mentioned over and over that the weak link is our mental healthcare system, not access to weapons. =(


So you would argue that RPGs, flamethrowers, anti-personnel mines, hand grenades etc, should all be legalized?
After all, if we "restrict access to weapon A, they will just use weapon B instead."
 
2012-12-19 11:53:41 PM  

lordjupiter: Well first of all, ban people from blocking the discussion or demanding instant fixes so some real solutions can be developed.  Let's start there.


We could try limiting the types of semi-automatic weapons that we sell.  It'd take about 100 years for the existing stock to kinda dry up and stop being useful because some people will let them rust up.  Then again, you make new sales of old school tech like that unavailable and the value goes up, so people start taking care of them.
 
We could confiscate them I suppose and give existing owners cash for their guns.
 
Although that brings up the question:  Just what kinds of weapons do we want a homicidal maniac that's looking to kill as many 6 and 7 year old children as possible to have?  If we're looking to weapons restrictions to fix that scenario we're down to butter knives and stuff from the Nerf factory.  I don't think that will fly. Plus that does nothing about the improvised explosives that people have used in the past like the 1995 OK City bombing or the worst school massacre ever: Bath, MI.
 
We could look at mental health care in the country.  That might actually help out, long term, with this stuff, but I don't see many people bringing it up.
 
2012-12-19 11:57:39 PM  

GoldSpider: heavymetal: I am a gun owning Democrat, but we need some common sense gun laws.

Such as?


How about limiting the amount and type of firearms and ammunition that can be stored on premises, particularly a home.

Additional firearms and ammunition would need to be stored at a bonded/licenced facility and checked out as needed. Firearms and ammunition can only be delivered from sellers straight to a facility.

\ Not American
\\ Thought of top of head, but would still allow for home defence.
\\\ Could minimise mass events as access is restricted.
 
2012-12-20 12:05:07 AM  

Fury Pilot: How about limiting the amount and type of firearms and ammunition that can be stored on premises, particularly a home.

Additional firearms and ammunition would need to be stored at a bonded/licenced facility and checked out as needed. Firearms and ammunition can only be delivered from sellers straight to a facility.

\ Not American
\\ Thought of top of head, but would still allow for home defence.
\\\ Could minimise mass events as access is restricted.


If you did that, and took it to an extreme point where just a single 6 shot .357 wheel gun was permitted at the home the nutter would still have enough rounds (without a reload) to get into the school.  From there it's him and 6 and 7 year olds.  Pretty sure you could dispatch the lot of them with a $5 camping machete or a $8 hammer from Home Depot.
 
Brings me back to my original question:  What arms are acceptable for us, as a society, to leave in the hands of a homicidal maniac standing in an elementary classroom.
 
Personally I'd rather look for ways to remove the nutter than the weapons.  Because one is possible and the other isn't.
 
2012-12-20 12:18:48 AM  
jbuist:
If you did that, and took it to an extreme point where just a single 6 shot .357 wheel gun was permitted at the home the nutter would still have enough rounds (without a reload) to get into the school.  From there it's him and 6 and 7 year olds.  Pretty sure you could dispatch the lot of them with a $5 camping machete or a $8 hammer from Home Depot.
 

 
Theoretically you can off a lot of people with a machete or hammer, yes.
 
Practically speaking, in large groups, people scatter and you must chase them.  Because your machete and hammer can't reach out and touch 'em.
 
Look @ Portland, one gun jam and lots of people, given only a few seconds of extra escape time, escaped.   Seconds matter, the killer's reach matters. 
 
After all, it gives the cops time to show up.  They're better at chasing you down.  And they tend to have rather final ways of stopping you running.
 
2012-12-20 12:25:16 AM  

0Icky0: Uchiha_Cycliste: Another thin to think about, murder, guns at schools and all sorts of shiat is already illegal. What difference will more laws make?  It seems to me that if someone has the will to do something like this, the laws of the books aren't going to weigh very heavily on their minds. If we restrict access to weapon A, they will just use weapon B instead. I think, as has been mentioned over and over that the weak link is our mental healthcare system, not access to weapons. =(

So you would argue that RPGs, flamethrowers, anti-personnel mines, hand grenades etc, should all be legalized?
After all, if we "restrict access to weapon A, they will just use weapon B instead."


No I'm not, and that's a ridiculous extrapolation of what I was saying.  First off, those things are already illegal. Secondly, there are no POSSIBLE civilian uses for them. But you must have already known that and are just trying to be a prick. 
What I'm saying is that I don't see how much good an "assault weapon" ban will do. More specifically, what legislation could be passed that would have prevented what happened at Sandy Hook? Or the  Virginia tech massacre for that matter, whose shootings were with hang guns (as are 95% of gun violence) You aren't even trying to help come up with an answer are you?  What did you contribute by asking if I thought f*cking flame throwers should be made legal?
 
2012-12-20 12:35:47 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: No I'm not, and that's a ridiculous extrapolation of what I was saying.  First off, those things are already illegal


Why are they illegal? Because they can kill so many people so easily. Not because they cannot be used for personal defense. Because they most certainly can.

So then...why do you think these semi-automatics should remain legal? Why do they not fall into the very same category as those others?
 
2012-12-20 12:38:48 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: Emposter: All they have to do is pretend they're working on it for a few weeks, and our fleabrained public will be back to whatever the latest bullshiat on TV is.

But all the shows are ending soon, or already ended for the season! What will we do?!?


stay calm and wait for breaking bad.
 
2012-12-20 12:42:28 AM  

0Icky0: Uchiha_Cycliste: No I'm not, and that's a ridiculous extrapolation of what I was saying.  First off, those things are already illegal

Why are they illegal? Because they can kill so many people so easily. Not because they cannot be used for personal defense. Because they most certainly can.

So then...why do you think these semi-automatics should remain legal? Why do they not fall into the very same category as those others?


In some states they are legal for hunting. They do have some legitimate uses.. From what I understand the assault weapon ban primarily banned things based on cosmetics. But lets say we were to go ahead and ban the sales of everything but shotguns and handguns. That still only barely puts a dent in gun violence. I don't see that we are going to ban all guns, and even if we did there are still hundreds of millions of them out there. Not to mention, it still avoids the question of how a change in the laws would have prevented what happened last week. I think the problem we have is caring for people and getting them help when they need it, not what weapons are available.
 
2012-12-20 12:43:13 AM  

divgradcurl: Uchiha_Cycliste: Emposter: All they have to do is pretend they're working on it for a few weeks, and our fleabrained public will be back to whatever the latest bullshiat on TV is.

 
But all the shows are ending soon, or already ended for the season! What will we do?!?
 
stay calm and wait for breaking bad.
 
Isn't that a year away? 
 
(please say no)
 
2012-12-20 12:49:12 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: divgradcurl: Uchiha_Cycliste: Emposter: All they have to do is pretend they're working on it for a few weeks, and our fleabrained public will be back to whatever the latest bullshiat on TV is.

But all the shows are ending soon, or already ended for the season! What will we do?!?

stay calm and wait for breaking bad.

Isn't that a year away?

(please say no)


summer 2013, so half a year... welp, there's always the politics tab. *long drawn out sigh* :-)
 
2012-12-20 12:52:55 AM  

Happy Hours: serpent_sky: No.  It was clear to me within hours of what happened that this was a game changer because of the number of children killed.

It hasn't been a week yet. No matter what color he was, nothing would have changed by now. But things will change. Like it or not, I think everyone knows that.

I doubt any significant change will happen


Seconded
 
2012-12-20 01:01:58 AM  

divgradcurl: Uchiha_Cycliste: divgradcurl: Uchiha_Cycliste: Emposter: All they have to do is pretend they're working on it for a few weeks, and our fleabrained public will be back to whatever the latest bullshiat on TV is.

But all the shows are ending soon, or already ended for the season! What will we do?!?

stay calm and wait for breaking bad.

Isn't that a year away?

(please say no)

summer 2013, so half a year... welp, there's always the politics tab. *long drawn out sigh* :-)


*Siiiiiiiiiggggghhhhhhh*
 
2012-12-20 01:04:29 AM  
and if my mom had a moustache and beard she would be my dad . . .

shut up Bob, you elderly dustbag.
 
2012-12-20 01:12:52 AM  
Would this story gotten as much media attention than it did, if it was a majority African American school?!
 
2012-12-20 01:23:35 AM  
Yes.
 
2012-12-20 01:50:28 AM  
The only time gun control has gained traction was the fear of saturday night specials in the '70s and the crazy guy shooting St. Reagan. Otherwise it's always been CYA.

/hell even the DC shooter didn't make a dent in it.
 
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