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(Washington Post)   Someone once compared getting consensus in Congress to herding cats. The analogy still holds but now you'll have to imagine that the cats are angry and brain damaged   (washingtonpost.com ) divider line 136
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2012-12-20 08:19:35 AM  

edmo: So they're feral now?


They've always been feral. We've just never noticed until now.
 
2012-12-20 08:23:34 AM  
We should shove them all into a burlap bag and toss em in the river.
 
2012-12-20 08:24:12 AM  
This article has nothing to do with the census, failmitter.
 
2012-12-20 08:25:14 AM  
I've never understood the rationale of the "no taxes! but don't cut military spending to save money!" sorts. If I went up to the grocery store for something and then didn't want to pay for it, I'd be in jail. I strongly suspect (actually, I figure it's true) that the link between Teabaggers and Sovereign Citizen types is so strong, it's like the link between people who listen to death metal and those who watch horror movies. There's hardly even a line. Why the Republicans put up with that is beyond me. They need to smack dem biatches down and quit catering to them before someone else does it for them.
 
2012-12-20 08:27:15 AM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: I've never understood the rationale of the "no taxes! but don't cut military spending to save money!"


It is what they have found they need to say to get re-elected.
 
2012-12-20 08:27:29 AM  

wambu: The kind of kitty we need to spend time herding instead.
[i.imgur.com image 850x1231]


Pretty sure I saw that chest on the south side of a northbound sister in Wally World the other day.
 
2012-12-20 08:32:44 AM  

PonceAlyosha: wambu: The kind of kitty we need to spend time herding instead.
[i.imgur.com image 850x1231]

That woman's boobs are going to fall off one day.


Hehe. Was going to make some comment about poking someone's eye out. I like yours better.
 
2012-12-20 08:32:58 AM  
A brain dead cat. Isn't that an oxymoron?

Same goes for a brain dead Congress.
 
2012-12-20 08:33:39 AM  

wambu: The kind of kitty we need to spend time herding instead.
[i.imgur.com image 850x1231]


Is that a rack, or a ski slope?
 
2012-12-20 08:36:01 AM  
america doesn't care
collectively voting in the same idiots year after year
then feigning surprise and shock that they don't do as promised
and they get richer
 
representatives of the people..
=the people are idiots
so you get exactly what you deserve
 
2012-12-20 08:36:07 AM  

Serious Black: It's true, the article is about Congress. However, if somebody who has signed the pledge votes "yea" on this bill because it's not technically a tax increase but would vote "nay" on the Senate bill because it technically is a tax increase, they would be somebody who could agree that both of those things is true.


It both is a tax increase, and it isn't a tax increase when voted on? That's like herding Schrödinger's cats.
 
2012-12-20 08:37:43 AM  

wambu: The kind of kitty we need to spend time herding instead.
[i.imgur.com image 850x1231]


She's gonna have on helluva case of Furniture Disease when she gets older. Y'know, when your chest falls into your drawers.

/rimshot
 
2012-12-20 08:41:20 AM  
www.deviantart.com
 
2012-12-20 08:42:39 AM  

Private_Citizen: almost no one gets income over 1mil with "ordinary income" - it's all done with stock gains, bonuses (carried interest), etc.


For that to be true, it would mean the stock market is a matter of skill and not gambling, and thus ordinary people could make money in the stock market if they weren't bluntly stupid. Ordinary people are buying and holding S&P 500 index funds thinking the market "grows over time" and won't sell off before a big market crash that's plainly visible...
 
2012-12-20 08:44:55 AM  

fusillade762: Stuff them in a bag and throw them in the river.


The cats or the politicians? (I know which I would vote for, but I'm going to need a bigger bag)
 
2012-12-20 08:48:07 AM  

TheGreatGazoo: We're going off the cliff.

And even than is only about half what needs to be done to get the budget under control.


I think that's the best thing that could happen. People are focusing solely on the tax side and even if all of the Clinton taxes are reinstituted it is no more than a third of what needs to happen. Obama and Congress will only cut spending when there is absolutely no other choice.
 
2012-12-20 08:48:08 AM  
Boobs, beautiful, beautiful boobs.

What were we talking about anyway?
 
2012-12-20 08:52:39 AM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: I've never understood the rationale of the "no taxes! but don't cut military spending to save money!" sorts.

 
It's simple. The politicians are greedy bastards that won't raise a finger to help the nation, but they have no problems enriching each other - in fact, they think their moral duty is too their peers.
 
The sad thing is that the majority of these clowns are extremely wealthy in the first place; they don't need their salaries, bonuses or kickbacks (bribes? PACs?) and can live very comfortably on their existing wealth while they are in office.
 
They could send a message that they are serious about our future by saying they will accepts a token salary of 1$ for sitting in that chair. It won't save much initially, , but it just may influence others in a leadership position in government and business to forgo THEIR salary, or at least take a cut for "the team".
 
But it will never happen. We have an entitled bunch of selfish stubborn assholes running the show right now both in government and business who are more intent on helping their pampered peers accumulate wealth than actually looking at the long view,
 
2012-12-20 09:00:22 AM  
i.chzbgr.com
 
2012-12-20 09:00:54 AM  

dittybopper: edmo: So they're feral now?

Feral Congress would be an excellent band name.


When you think about one of the other definitions of Congress as sexual relations that is even cooler.
 
2012-12-20 09:01:22 AM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: Real Women Drink Akvavit: I've never understood the rationale of the "no taxes! but don't cut military spending to save money!" sorts.
 
It's simple. The politicians are greedy bastards that won't raise a finger to help the nation, but they have no problems enriching each other - in fact, they think their moral duty is too their peers.
 
The sad thing is that the majority of these clowns are extremely wealthy in the first place; they don't need their salaries, bonuses or kickbacks (bribes? PACs?) and can live very comfortably on their existing wealth while they are in office.
 
They could send a message that they are serious about our future by saying they will accepts a token salary of 1$ for sitting in that chair. It won't save much initially, , but it just may influence others in a leadership position in government and business to forgo THEIR salary, or at least take a cut for "the team".
 
But it will never happen. We have an entitled bunch of selfish stubborn assholes running the show right now both in government and business who are more intent on helping their pampered peers accumulate wealth than actually looking at the long view,

 
That is just the symptom.  The root of the problem is an ignorant (pridefully ignorant) electorate.
 
2012-12-20 09:04:43 AM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: Real Women Drink Akvavit: I've never understood the rationale of the "no taxes! but don't cut military spending to save money!" sorts.
 
It's simple. The politicians are greedy bastards that won't raise a finger to help the nation, but they have no problems enriching each other - in fact, they think their moral duty is too their peers.
 
The sad thing is that the majority of these clowns are extremely wealthy in the first place; they don't need their salaries, bonuses or kickbacks (bribes? PACs?) and can live very comfortably on their existing wealth while they are in office.
 
They could send a message that they are serious about our future by saying they will accepts a token salary of 1$ for sitting in that chair. It won't save much initially, , but it just may influence others in a leadership position in government and business to forgo THEIR salary, or at least take a cut for "the team".
 
But it will never happen. We have an entitled bunch of selfish stubborn assholes running the show right now both in government and business who are more intent on helping their pampered peers accumulate wealth than actually looking at the long view,

 
It never ceases to amaze me how short sighted some of these alleged people can be. I actually went to live in Norway with some of my family members for a short while. Their tax rates are very high, yet they are one of the wealthiest nations on Earth, with well kept roads, good public education, universal health care, an awesome naval force, etc. Probably a lot of things I don't know about as well.
 
Here in Cali, we've got potholes in our roads, a large homeless population, neighborhoods you'd never want to walk through, surly police and other shenanigans that are very unsavory. I guess if you want something done right, just go ask the nearest Norwegian. They seem to have it down to an art.
 
2012-12-20 09:06:45 AM  
I wonder if cats caucused together to determine that there #1 job was to make sure Fartbongo was a one-term POTUS no matter what the cost to the American people. I have heard they are evil little farkers.
 
2012-12-20 09:06:46 AM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: Real Women Drink Akvavit: I've never understood the rationale of the "no taxes! but don't cut military spending to save money!" sorts.

It's simple. The politicians are greedy bastards that won't raise a finger to help the nation, but they have no problems enriching each other - in fact, they think their moral duty is too their peers.

The sad thing is that the majority of these clowns are extremely wealthy in the first place; they don't need their salaries, bonuses or kickbacks (bribes? PACs?) and can live very comfortably on their existing wealth while they are in office.

They could send a message that they are serious about our future by saying they will accepts a token salary of 1$ for sitting in that chair. It won't save much initially, , but it just may influence others in a leadership position in government and business to forgo THEIR salary, or at least take a cut for "the team".

But it will never happen. We have an entitled bunch of selfish stubborn assholes running the show right now both in government and business who are more intent on helping their pampered peers accumulate wealth than actually looking at the long view,


They are also extremely good at ramming through laws that only benefit certain industries then lo and behold they "retire" and take cushy high paying consulting jobs in that very industry. It's uncanny.

I started out cynical. I don't think there's a word for how I feel now. Livid is close.
 
2012-12-20 09:08:03 AM  
"Herding cats" already implies anger and brain damage on the part of the felines as much as the humans.

/dog person
 
2012-12-20 09:13:53 AM  
i.chzbgr.com
 
2012-12-20 09:17:08 AM  
The interesting part to me here is that the Republicans can't balance the budget even while flirting with a minor tax increase, never mind cuts. They clearly have no plans or ideas on how to do what they want done. They're not just the party of "No", they're the party of "No Ideas". You'd think at the very least they could push up a bill that would get tossed back by the senate, just to show what they think needs to be done.

That's a long way for the Conservatives to have come in a relatively short time.
 
2012-12-20 09:17:46 AM  
Once I interviewed for a job and was asked about my experience leading teams. I talked about theater experience, directing, and compared it to herding cats.

The interviewer had apparently never heard the term, decided in his head I had said "it was like hurting cats," and I don't know what he thought after that but it must have been weird.

So don't say it in a job interview.

/csb
 
2012-12-20 09:18:10 AM  
monoski


I wonder if cats caucused together to determine that there #1 job was to make sure Fartbongo was a one-term POTUS no matter what the cost to the American people. I have heard they are evil little farkers.


Wouldn't surprise me. Congress is a rich white mans club. They don't be wantin' no negros there.
 
2012-12-20 09:22:40 AM  
Detroit Dog Rescue has pulled dogs out of the worst possible environments and some of the stories about the dogs ability to recover and be lovable are just astounding.

sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2012-12-20 09:22:52 AM  

starsrift: The interesting part to me here is that the Republicans can't balance the budget even while flirting with a minor tax increase, never mind cuts. They clearly have no plans or ideas on how to do what they want done. They're not just the party of "No", they're the party of "No Ideas". You'd think at the very least they could push up a bill that would get tossed back by the senate, just to show what they think needs to be done.

That's a long way for the Conservatives to have come in a relatively short time.


And they've been doing that for years. They've publicly stated that this strategy is all they have. They are a leaderless party devoid of ideas.
 
2012-12-20 09:23:17 AM  

starsrift: The interesting part to me here is that the Republicans can't balance the budget even while flirting with a minor tax increase, never mind cuts. They clearly have no plans or ideas on how to do what they want done. They're not just the party of "No", they're the party of "No Ideas". You'd think at the very least they could push up a bill that would get tossed back by the senate, just to show what they think needs to be done.

That's a long way for the Conservatives to have come in a relatively short time.


Incredible, considering the very small step that is admitting that the government cannot sustain the rate at which it drunkenly throws around money it doesn't have.
 
2012-12-20 09:25:44 AM  

dittybopper: LordBollocks: Someone once compared getting consensus in Congress managing computer programmers to herding cats

FTFM

If you need to manage your programmers to any significant degree, you're doing it wrong. Lead them, yes, inspire them, yes, but "managing" highly intelligent, independent thinkers rarely works out well.

Almost all of the material improvements in my department have come from within, and were achieved by a consensus of the programmer/analysts and DBAs, who then presented the proposals to our boss. It would have been much different, and almost assuredly for the worse, had those things been imposed on us from the top down instead of from the bottom up.


As someone who worked in a deportment in which programmers were heavily managed, your assessment was dead on.
 
2012-12-20 09:26:29 AM  
Lobby before party before country.
 
2012-12-20 09:27:59 AM  

starsrift: The interesting part to me here is that the Republicans can't balance the budget even while flirting with a minor tax increase, never mind cuts. They clearly have no plans or ideas on how to do what they want done. They're not just the party of "No", they're the party of "No Ideas". You'd think at the very least they could push up a bill that would get tossed back by the senate, just to show what they think needs to be done.

That's a long way for the Conservatives to have come in a relatively short time.


And yet they will take control of the Senate in 2014
 
2012-12-20 09:30:03 AM  

sendtodave: Serious Black: It's true, the article is about Congress. However, if somebody who has signed the pledge votes "yea" on this bill because it's not technically a tax increase but would vote "nay" on the Senate bill because it technically is a tax increase, they would be somebody who could agree that both of those things is true.

It both is a tax increase, and it isn't a tax increase when voted on? That's like herding Schrödinger's cats.


That was pretty awesome.
 
2012-12-20 09:40:06 AM  

mytdawg: Detroit Dog Rescue has pulled dogs out of the worst possible environments and some of the stories about the dogs ability to recover and be lovable are just astounding.

 
[sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 403x403]
 
Dammit, you're costing me money. I may look scary and slightly freakish to others, but I've got a tender heart. Especially when it comes to animals. I will donate at the drop of a hat to an animal cause. 
 
/never shoulda started watching those videos
//poor goggies!
 
2012-12-20 09:40:40 AM  

born_yesterday: starsrift: The interesting part to me here is that the Republicans can't balance the budget even while flirting with a minor tax increase, never mind cuts. They clearly have no plans or ideas on how to do what they want done. They're not just the party of "No", they're the party of "No Ideas". You'd think at the very least they could push up a bill that would get tossed back by the senate, just to show what they think needs to be done.

That's a long way for the Conservatives to have come in a relatively short time.

And they've been doing that for years. They've publicly stated that this strategy is all they have. They are a leaderless party devoid of ideas.


They seem to be pretty effective at regression. Passive-Aggressive Regression?
 
2012-12-20 09:42:47 AM  

mytdawg: Detroit Dog Rescue has pulled dogs out of the worst possible environments and some of the stories about the dogs ability to recover and be lovable are just astounding.

[sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 403x403]


Hahahaaa. Wrong thread. Dammit. Multi-tasking gone horribly wrong. Fraction-tasking it seems.
 
2012-12-20 09:45:15 AM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: mytdawg: Detroit Dog Rescue has pulled dogs out of the worst possible environments and some of the stories about the dogs ability to recover and be lovable are just astounding.

[sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 403x403]

Dammit, you're costing me money. I may look scary and slightly freakish to others, but I've got a tender heart. Especially when it comes to animals. I will donate at the drop of a hat to an animal cause.

/never shoulda started watching those videos
//poor goggies!


My apologies. It was meant for the blind Golden thread. DDR has a really good videographer it seems though. The videos are heart wrenching but extremely well done. Ought to put those people in charge of Congress although that may be a crappier job than they are doing now.
 
2012-12-20 09:49:43 AM  
"We are the party that says you should not raise taxes."

That is the most retarded political ideology I've ever heard, and I say that as a conservative. I can understand and support the Republicans being the party that fights to keep taxes and expenditures as low as possible while continuing to maintain our fiscal responsibilities and vital infrastructures. To simply say "Taxes never, ever go up for any reason, period!", especially during a period when taxes are near historical lows, is almost comically stupid. Not only is it horrible fiscal policy, it puts you into a position that allows no room whatsoever for debate and compromise. That's a huge problem in a democracy. You are virtually guaranteeing perpetual gridlock, standing firm to your misguided ideals while your country burns around you. I guess it fits nicely on a bumper sticker though, and it's simple enough for your brain-dead constituents to understand.

Look, Republicans: I realize that in Republican fantasy land we can simply de-fund NPR and Planned Parenthood, kick the blacks off of "welfare", increase military spending and lower taxes and somehow the budget will miraculously be balanced. That's all well and good. Unfortunately we live in a place that I like to call "reality". Get your pants off of your head, your mouth off of Grover's cock, and help us come up with a plan to get this country back on track. Your ridiculous posturing and mindless absolutism accomplishes nothing and threatens to destroy your country from within. Congratulations, assholes. You're trying to put us on a path to become a 3rd-world country, but at least the billionaires can keep an extra 3% in their offshore bank accounts, so I guess it's all good.
 
2012-12-20 09:53:29 AM  

mytdawg: mytdawg: Detroit Dog Rescue has pulled dogs out of the worst possible environments and some of the stories about the dogs ability to recover and be lovable are just astounding.

[sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 403x403]

Hahahaaa. Wrong thread. Dammit. Multi-tasking gone horribly wrong. Fraction-tasking it seems.


That's OK, it was better thought out than 95% of the derp I this thread.
 
As long as people cling to the belief it's the other teams fault we as a nation are screwed.
 
Republicans need to concede taxes go up. Democrats have to concede that the tax paying base needs to expand and that spending needs to be reigned in. People are going to have to give back some of the things they were promised because the government lied about it's ability to deliver in order to buy votes.
 
We almost need to put them all in a room, cut off contact from the outside world, allow all votes to be confidential, and not let them out till they solve this mess.
 
All those bastards are more concerned with re election than fixing the country.
 
2012-12-20 09:54:14 AM  
You insult brain damaged cats by comparing them to Tea Partiers
 
2012-12-20 09:59:29 AM  

Silly Jesus: Because anyone not sharing your exact viewpoints is obviously brain damaged.....


No, just Republicans.
 
2012-12-20 10:00:13 AM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!:
As long as people cling to the belief it's the other teams fault we as a nation are screwed....


Except that, objectively speaking, it really IS the Republican party's fault. That doesn't make the Democrats perfect bay any means, but by any objective assessment, the Democrats are more in tune with reality.
 
2012-12-20 10:00:17 AM  

ghare: You insult brain damaged cats by comparing them to Tea Partiers


www.templeofcats.com
 
2012-12-20 10:01:02 AM  

mod3072: "We are the party that says you should not raise taxes."

That is the most retarded political ideology I've ever heard, and I say that as a conservative. I can understand and support the Republicans being the party that fights to keep taxes and expenditures as low as possible while continuing to maintain our fiscal responsibilities and vital infrastructures. To simply say "Taxes never, ever go up for any reason, period!", especially during a period when taxes are near historical lows, is almost comically stupid. Not only is it horrible fiscal policy, it puts you into a position that allows no room whatsoever for debate and compromise. That's a huge problem in a democracy. You are virtually guaranteeing perpetual gridlock, standing firm to your misguided ideals while your country burns around you. I guess it fits nicely on a bumper sticker though, and it's simple enough for your brain-dead constituents to understand.

Look, Republicans: I realize that in Republican fantasy land we can simply de-fund NPR and Planned Parenthood, kick the blacks off of "welfare", increase military spending and lower taxes and somehow the budget will miraculously be balanced. That's all well and good. Unfortunately we live in a place that I like to call "reality". Get your pants off of your head, your mouth off of Grover's cock, and help us come up with a plan to get this country back on track. Your ridiculous posturing and mindless absolutism accomplishes nothing and threatens to destroy your country from within. Congratulations, assholes. You're trying to put us on a path to become a 3rd-world country, but at least the billionaires can keep an extra 3% in their offshore bank accounts, so I guess it's all good.


You are such a rare creature that I had to favorite you in green1.... you are the only one with that designation. You are favorited as "intelligent conservative" which really means that you don't think in talking points.

/wish there were more like you.
 
2012-12-20 10:01:20 AM  

A Terrible Human: Tard thread?
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/hehe bonus pic of my mom's puppie Cookie and my sisters dog Ziggy
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I love that cat so much.
 
2012-12-20 10:01:29 AM  

Serious Black: Silly Jesus: Serious Black: Silly Jesus: Because anyone not sharing your exact viewpoints is obviously brain damaged.....

Grover has said that letting the tax cuts expire for people making over $1 million is not technically a tax increase. Grover has also said that letting the tax cuts expire for people making over $250,000 is technically a tax increase. Please explain how anybody could say those two things or agree that both of those things are true without being brain damaged.

Ah, I didn't realize that when subby said "Congress" he actually meant "Grover Norquist."

It's true, the article is about Congress. However, if somebody who has signed the pledge votes "yea" on this bill because it's not technically a tax increase but would vote "nay" on the Senate bill because it technically is a tax increase, they would be somebody who could agree that both of those things is true.


I was really hoping no one would talk to silly jesus so he would just go away. so i guess my only alternative is "ignore".
 
2012-12-20 10:03:12 AM  

Lost Thought 00: And yet they will take control of the Senate in 2014


Not to start talking election stuff already, but the D-R split is 55-45 at present. What six (D) seats are the Republicans going to win? It's way too early to start polling, or thinking about how the Senate is going to be perceived by the public, but just looking at demographics, that's a big chunk of races to win.
 
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