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2012-12-19 09:09:31 PM
img72.imageshack.us
 
2012-12-19 09:23:39 PM
Cats generally aren't as vocal as Congress critters. It's more like trying to fight your way free of a pack of drunken, rabid howler monkeys without getting bitten or sexually assaulted.
 
2012-12-19 09:24:24 PM
These are the very same folks that spent a bazillion dollars running ads every 2 minutes for months and months touting how effective they would be once elected, right?
 
2012-12-19 09:58:31 PM
now you'll have to imagine that the cats are angry and brain damaged

So was/is the guy that said it

/fark you, newt
 
2012-12-19 10:05:44 PM

Peter von Nostrand: now you'll have to imagine that the cats are angry and brain damaged

So was/is the guy that said it

/fark you, newt


At least that was the name of a book he wrote. Someone else could have coined it

/actually a real good chance of that
 
2012-12-19 10:43:29 PM
25.media.tumblr.com 
 
//all you need is a cardboard box
 
2012-12-19 10:57:39 PM
Someone once compared getting consensus in Congress to herding  cats cattle.
 
 
FTFY, subby.
 
2012-12-19 11:10:31 PM
i1282.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-19 11:11:50 PM
Republicans support Plan B?!?!?! The abortion pill??!?!?!!?!
 
2012-12-19 11:13:07 PM

Apos: Someone once compared getting consensus in Congress to herding  cats cattle.
 
 
FTFY, subby.

 
i.chzbgr.com
 
lmgtfy
 
2012-12-19 11:20:53 PM
 
2012-12-19 11:28:53 PM

cretinbob: Apos: Someone once compared getting consensus in Congress to herding  cats cattle.
 
 
FTFY, subby.
 
[i.chzbgr.com image 500x333]
 
lmgtfy


 
*hangs head in shame*
 
2012-12-19 11:52:26 PM
So, if this doesn't break Norquist's pledge of "never raise taxes" because it's just allowing some tax cuts to expire, while preserving other tax cuts, then the Democrats who want to allow the tax cuts to expire for those making >$250k are also not going to raise taxes, right, Americans for Tax Reform? 
 
The President has pushed his agenda of raising taxes through the guise of fairness and paying one's share; however, his plan contradicts its purpose by putting a disproportionate amount of the tax burden on small employers and high-income families. Under [the] President's plan, the top two marginal income tax rates paid by small employers would rise from 33 percent and 35 percent to 36 percent and 39.6 percent.
 
Oh, I see.
 
2012-12-19 11:53:52 PM
As always, it appears that Boehner is crying in that picture.
 
2012-12-20 12:34:38 AM
Not only are the cats brain damaged and angry, they also insist on telling you that things were way better when 18th Century Male Chartreaux were in charge.
 
2012-12-20 01:23:19 AM
Not a big fan of cats...

www.mediaite.com

...but that's harsh.
 
2012-12-20 02:35:41 AM
Stuff them in a bag and throw them in the river.
 
2012-12-20 03:14:25 AM

Apos: *hangs head in shame*


Look at it as having learned something new
 
2012-12-20 06:20:47 AM
Congress would be a lot better if it were run by cats. CSPAN would be the cutest channel on TV!
 
2012-12-20 07:08:21 AM
Because anyone not sharing your exact viewpoints is obviously brain damaged.....
 
2012-12-20 07:11:46 AM

pissedoffmick: These are the very same folks that spent a bazillion dollars running ads every 2 minutes for months and months touting how effective they would be once elected, right?


The ones I remember from the Republican primaries all vowed to cut spending and never allow the debt ceiling to be raised. So, they stated their goals of economic sabotage up front.
 
2012-12-20 07:14:00 AM
Don't house Republicans pretty much have block voting perfected?

Senators and Democrats may differ.
 
2012-12-20 07:19:40 AM

Apos: Someone once compared getting consensus in Congress to herding  cats cattle.
 
 
FTFY, subby.


Win
 
2012-12-20 07:28:31 AM
I would like to see the details of "plan b". It doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell, but I just want to see if the GOP preserve preferential rates for cap gains and carried interest. You know, the 1%'s REAL top tax rate (15%). In other words, almost no one gets income over 1mil with "ordinary income" - it's all done with stock gains, bonuses (carried interest), etc. So, allowing the top rate (on ordinary income) return to pre-Bush levels wouldn't do diddly.
 
2012-12-20 07:29:24 AM
"Plan B" What an unnervingly appropriate name for a plan of destruction.
 
2012-12-20 07:30:39 AM
Obama is now being appropriately being described as being irrational. Well, that came a couple of years behind schedule.
 
2012-12-20 07:31:29 AM

Silly Jesus: Because anyone not sharing your exact viewpoints is obviously brain damaged.....


Grover has said that letting the tax cuts expire for people making over $1 million is not technically a tax increase. Grover has also said that letting the tax cuts expire for people making over $250,000 is technically a tax increase. Please explain how anybody could say those two things or agree that both of those things are true without being brain damaged.
 
2012-12-20 07:34:13 AM
So Boehner decided he was done "negotiating" and will tr yto ram "his plan" through congress, which has no chance of passing the Senate, and President Obama can "take it or leave it"? That is a load of B.S. Rather than work towards a solution for the sake of the American people, he would rather "grandstand" and play political games trying to force blame on the White House. I suggest Boehner look at the latest opinion polls as well as the last election results; the American people outside of the conservative entertainment complex's echo chamber aren't buying it. The President now has the upper hand in the negotiations, the momentum has changed and Boehner is the one negotiating with a weaker hand. Boehner needs to realize this rather than dig an even deeper hole in their approval ratings by trying to force the desire of a few wealthy elite on the American people.
 
2012-12-20 07:38:09 AM

Silly Jesus: Because anyone not sharing your exact viewpoints is obviously brain damaged.....


Oh Silly Jesus
 
2012-12-20 07:38:37 AM
Tard thread?
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/hehe bonus pic of my mom's puppie Cookie and my sisters dog Ziggy
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2012-12-20 07:39:02 AM

Serious Black: Silly Jesus: Because anyone not sharing your exact viewpoints is obviously brain damaged.....

Grover has said that letting the tax cuts expire for people making over $1 million is not technically a tax increase. Grover has also said that letting the tax cuts expire for people making over $250,000 is technically a tax increase. Please explain how anybody could say those two things or agree that both of those things are true without being brain damaged.


Ah, I didn't realize that when subby said "Congress" he actually meant "Grover Norquist."
 
2012-12-20 07:43:14 AM
So they're feral now?
 
2012-12-20 07:44:56 AM

Silly Jesus: Serious Black: Silly Jesus: Because anyone not sharing your exact viewpoints is obviously brain damaged.....

Grover has said that letting the tax cuts expire for people making over $1 million is not technically a tax increase. Grover has also said that letting the tax cuts expire for people making over $250,000 is technically a tax increase. Please explain how anybody could say those two things or agree that both of those things are true without being brain damaged.

Ah, I didn't realize that when subby said "Congress" he actually meant "Grover Norquist."


It's true, the article is about Congress. However, if somebody who has signed the pledge votes "yea" on this bill because it's not technically a tax increase but would vote "nay" on the Senate bill because it technically is a tax increase, they would be somebody who could agree that both of those things is true.
 
2012-12-20 07:51:07 AM

heavymetal: So Boehner decided he was done "negotiating" and will tr yto ram "his plan" through congress, which has no chance of passing the Senate, and President Obama can "take it or leave it"? That is a load of B.S. Rather than work towards a solution for the sake of the American people, he would rather "grandstand" and play political games trying to force blame on the White House. I suggest Boehner look at the latest opinion polls as well as the last election results; the American people outside of the conservative entertainment complex's echo chamber aren't buying it. The President now has the upper hand in the negotiations, the momentum has changed and Boehner is the one negotiating with a weaker hand. Boehner needs to realize this rather than dig an even deeper hole in their approval ratings by trying to force the desire of a few wealthy elite on the American people.


The people that fund their campaigns haven't changed their position on the issue, so why should they?

Sure, there's a chance they could get voted out by dissatisfied voters. But if they don't toe the party line, there's a better chance they'll lose their funding, and lose the election to a 'Bagger that does get the funding.
 
2012-12-20 07:53:13 AM

cretinbob: Apos: *hangs head in shame*

Look at it as having learned something new mew


FTFY.
 
2012-12-20 07:53:54 AM
GIS for "angry brain damaged cats:"

www.popcrunch.com
 
2012-12-20 07:54:02 AM

edmo: So they're feral now?


Feral Congress would be an excellent band name.
 
2012-12-20 07:54:11 AM

Philbb: Obligatory.


I love that commercial! It was an old Superbowl commercial, wasn't it? I forgot all about it until you posted the link.
 
/starts day with a happy smile
 
2012-12-20 07:54:46 AM

born_yesterday: But if they don't toe tow the party line,


/Pet Peave.
 
2012-12-20 07:56:49 AM

Serious Black: Silly Jesus: Serious Black: Silly Jesus: Because anyone not sharing your exact viewpoints is obviously brain damaged.....

Grover has said that letting the tax cuts expire for people making over $1 million is not technically a tax increase. Grover has also said that letting the tax cuts expire for people making over $250,000 is technically a tax increase. Please explain how anybody could say those two things or agree that both of those things are true without being brain damaged.

Ah, I didn't realize that when subby said "Congress" he actually meant "Grover Norquist."

It's true, the article is about Congress. However, if somebody who has signed the pledge votes "yea" on this bill because it's not technically a tax increase but would vote "nay" on the Senate bill because it technically is a tax increase, they would be somebody who could agree that both of those things is true.


Grover has said that letting the tax cuts expire for people making over $1 million is not technically a tax increase. Grover has also said that letting the tax cuts expire for people making over $250,000 is technically a tax increase. Please explain how anybody could say those two things or agree that both of those things are true without being brain damaged.

I can. Grover is "moving ther goalposts" in an attempt to stay relevant. The moment Republicans who signed the pledge start compromising to revenue increases en masse, Grover Norquist no longer matters in any way in the American political theater. Grover knows this and sees the writing on the wall, President Obama holds the upper hand and tax increases are inevitable. Now Grover is in full damage control/spin mode. Watch as the more Republicans are forced to compromise, the more Norquist will movehis goal posts and try to rationalize it.
 
2012-12-20 07:57:29 AM
Someone once compared getting consensus in Congress managing computer programmers to herding cats
 
FTFM
 
2012-12-20 07:58:32 AM
Worst caturday thread evar.
 
2012-12-20 08:02:28 AM

heavymetal: Serious Black: Silly Jesus: Serious Black: Silly Jesus: Because anyone not sharing your exact viewpoints is obviously brain damaged.....

Grover has said that letting the tax cuts expire for people making over $1 million is not technically a tax increase. Grover has also said that letting the tax cuts expire for people making over $250,000 is technically a tax increase. Please explain how anybody could say those two things or agree that both of those things are true without being brain damaged.

Ah, I didn't realize that when subby said "Congress" he actually meant "Grover Norquist."

It's true, the article is about Congress. However, if somebody who has signed the pledge votes "yea" on this bill because it's not technically a tax increase but would vote "nay" on the Senate bill because it technically is a tax increase, they would be somebody who could agree that both of those things is true.

Grover has said that letting the tax cuts expire for people making over $1 million is not technically a tax increase. Grover has also said that letting the tax cuts expire for people making over $250,000 is technically a tax increase. Please explain how anybody could say those two things or agree that both of those things are true without being brain damaged.

I can. Grover is "moving ther goalposts" in an attempt to stay relevant. The moment Republicans who signed the pledge start compromising to revenue increases en masse, Grover Norquist no longer matters in any way in the American political theater. Grover knows this and sees the writing on the wall, President Obama holds the upper hand and tax increases are inevitable. Now Grover is in full damage control/spin mode. Watch as the more Republicans are forced to compromise, the more Norquist will movehis goal posts and try to rationalize it.


us.123rf.com
 
2012-12-20 08:04:32 AM

LordBollocks: Someone once compared getting consensus in Congress managing computer programmers to herding cats

FTFM


If you need to manage your programmers to any significant degree, you're doing it wrong. Lead them, yes, inspire them, yes, but "managing" highly intelligent, independent thinkers rarely works out well.

Almost all of the material improvements in my department have come from within, and were achieved by a consensus of the programmer/analysts and DBAs, who then presented the proposals to our boss. It would have been much different, and almost assuredly for the worse, had those things been imposed on us from the top down instead of from the bottom up.
 
2012-12-20 08:05:59 AM

born_yesterday: heavymetal: So Boehner decided he was done "negotiating" and will tr yto ram "his plan" through congress, which has no chance of passing the Senate, and President Obama can "take it or leave it"? That is a load of B.S. Rather than work towards a solution for the sake of the American people, he would rather "grandstand" and play political games trying to force blame on the White House. I suggest Boehner look at the latest opinion polls as well as the last election results; the American people outside of the conservative entertainment complex's echo chamber aren't buying it. The President now has the upper hand in the negotiations, the momentum has changed and Boehner is the one negotiating with a weaker hand. Boehner needs to realize this rather than dig an even deeper hole in their approval ratings by trying to force the desire of a few wealthy elite on the American people.

The people that fund their campaigns haven't changed their position on the issue, so why should they?

Sure, there's a chance they could get voted out by dissatisfied voters. But if they don't toe the party line, there's a better chance they'll lose their funding, and lose the election to a 'Bagger that does get the funding.


I guess to do it out of a more long term view of what is best for their party and country. Toeing the line just causes them to become more marginalized due to representing only a small fraction of the population they are supposed to represent, as well as holding unpopular antiquated policy positions. Eventually they will only be able to win primaries but not general elections no maatter how much money they get. Basically what is happening to them now. Gerrymandering can only hold it off for so long. Just my opinion. I see exactly what you are saying.
 
2012-12-20 08:11:03 AM

zamboni: Worst caturday thread evar.


i47.tinypic.com

This is not the voice of wisdom. I go to the Persians of the Lakes! You are women. Send your catnip and feather toys to the Siamese; beg from them kibble to eat, carpet to scratch. Slaves, dogs, rabbits, thieves ... I spit on you!


/When the Grey Mouse is dead, Loki will eat his heart...
 
2012-12-20 08:13:06 AM
The kind of kitty we need to spend time herding instead.
i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-20 08:14:58 AM
We're going off the cliff.

And even than is only about half what needs to be done to get the budget under control.
 
2012-12-20 08:15:14 AM
Republican House leaders try to build support for Boehner's 'Plan B'

I think it's too late for that, since he's in the 190th trimester of the pregnancy, but if everyone else is willing to try it, count me in.
 
2012-12-20 08:17:03 AM

wambu: The kind of kitty we need to spend time herding instead.
[i.imgur.com image 850x1231]


That woman's boobs are going to fall off one day.
 
2012-12-20 08:19:35 AM

edmo: So they're feral now?


They've always been feral. We've just never noticed until now.
 
2012-12-20 08:23:34 AM
We should shove them all into a burlap bag and toss em in the river.
 
2012-12-20 08:24:12 AM
This article has nothing to do with the census, failmitter.
 
2012-12-20 08:25:14 AM
I've never understood the rationale of the "no taxes! but don't cut military spending to save money!" sorts. If I went up to the grocery store for something and then didn't want to pay for it, I'd be in jail. I strongly suspect (actually, I figure it's true) that the link between Teabaggers and Sovereign Citizen types is so strong, it's like the link between people who listen to death metal and those who watch horror movies. There's hardly even a line. Why the Republicans put up with that is beyond me. They need to smack dem biatches down and quit catering to them before someone else does it for them.
 
2012-12-20 08:27:15 AM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: I've never understood the rationale of the "no taxes! but don't cut military spending to save money!"


It is what they have found they need to say to get re-elected.
 
2012-12-20 08:27:29 AM

wambu: The kind of kitty we need to spend time herding instead.
[i.imgur.com image 850x1231]


Pretty sure I saw that chest on the south side of a northbound sister in Wally World the other day.
 
2012-12-20 08:32:44 AM

PonceAlyosha: wambu: The kind of kitty we need to spend time herding instead.
[i.imgur.com image 850x1231]

That woman's boobs are going to fall off one day.


Hehe. Was going to make some comment about poking someone's eye out. I like yours better.
 
2012-12-20 08:32:58 AM
A brain dead cat. Isn't that an oxymoron?

Same goes for a brain dead Congress.
 
2012-12-20 08:33:39 AM

wambu: The kind of kitty we need to spend time herding instead.
[i.imgur.com image 850x1231]


Is that a rack, or a ski slope?
 
2012-12-20 08:36:01 AM
america doesn't care
collectively voting in the same idiots year after year
then feigning surprise and shock that they don't do as promised
and they get richer
 
representatives of the people..
=the people are idiots
so you get exactly what you deserve
 
2012-12-20 08:36:07 AM

Serious Black: It's true, the article is about Congress. However, if somebody who has signed the pledge votes "yea" on this bill because it's not technically a tax increase but would vote "nay" on the Senate bill because it technically is a tax increase, they would be somebody who could agree that both of those things is true.


It both is a tax increase, and it isn't a tax increase when voted on? That's like herding Schrödinger's cats.
 
2012-12-20 08:37:43 AM

wambu: The kind of kitty we need to spend time herding instead.
[i.imgur.com image 850x1231]


She's gonna have on helluva case of Furniture Disease when she gets older. Y'know, when your chest falls into your drawers.

/rimshot
 
2012-12-20 08:41:20 AM
www.deviantart.com
 
2012-12-20 08:42:39 AM

Private_Citizen: almost no one gets income over 1mil with "ordinary income" - it's all done with stock gains, bonuses (carried interest), etc.


For that to be true, it would mean the stock market is a matter of skill and not gambling, and thus ordinary people could make money in the stock market if they weren't bluntly stupid. Ordinary people are buying and holding S&P 500 index funds thinking the market "grows over time" and won't sell off before a big market crash that's plainly visible...
 
2012-12-20 08:44:55 AM

fusillade762: Stuff them in a bag and throw them in the river.


The cats or the politicians? (I know which I would vote for, but I'm going to need a bigger bag)
 
2012-12-20 08:48:07 AM

TheGreatGazoo: We're going off the cliff.

And even than is only about half what needs to be done to get the budget under control.


I think that's the best thing that could happen. People are focusing solely on the tax side and even if all of the Clinton taxes are reinstituted it is no more than a third of what needs to happen. Obama and Congress will only cut spending when there is absolutely no other choice.
 
2012-12-20 08:48:08 AM
Boobs, beautiful, beautiful boobs.

What were we talking about anyway?
 
2012-12-20 08:52:39 AM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: I've never understood the rationale of the "no taxes! but don't cut military spending to save money!" sorts.

 
It's simple. The politicians are greedy bastards that won't raise a finger to help the nation, but they have no problems enriching each other - in fact, they think their moral duty is too their peers.
 
The sad thing is that the majority of these clowns are extremely wealthy in the first place; they don't need their salaries, bonuses or kickbacks (bribes? PACs?) and can live very comfortably on their existing wealth while they are in office.
 
They could send a message that they are serious about our future by saying they will accepts a token salary of 1$ for sitting in that chair. It won't save much initially, , but it just may influence others in a leadership position in government and business to forgo THEIR salary, or at least take a cut for "the team".
 
But it will never happen. We have an entitled bunch of selfish stubborn assholes running the show right now both in government and business who are more intent on helping their pampered peers accumulate wealth than actually looking at the long view,
 
2012-12-20 09:00:22 AM
i.chzbgr.com
 
2012-12-20 09:00:54 AM

dittybopper: edmo: So they're feral now?

Feral Congress would be an excellent band name.


When you think about one of the other definitions of Congress as sexual relations that is even cooler.
 
2012-12-20 09:01:22 AM

Day_Old_Dutchie: Real Women Drink Akvavit: I've never understood the rationale of the "no taxes! but don't cut military spending to save money!" sorts.
 
It's simple. The politicians are greedy bastards that won't raise a finger to help the nation, but they have no problems enriching each other - in fact, they think their moral duty is too their peers.
 
The sad thing is that the majority of these clowns are extremely wealthy in the first place; they don't need their salaries, bonuses or kickbacks (bribes? PACs?) and can live very comfortably on their existing wealth while they are in office.
 
They could send a message that they are serious about our future by saying they will accepts a token salary of 1$ for sitting in that chair. It won't save much initially, , but it just may influence others in a leadership position in government and business to forgo THEIR salary, or at least take a cut for "the team".
 
But it will never happen. We have an entitled bunch of selfish stubborn assholes running the show right now both in government and business who are more intent on helping their pampered peers accumulate wealth than actually looking at the long view,

 
That is just the symptom.  The root of the problem is an ignorant (pridefully ignorant) electorate.
 
2012-12-20 09:04:43 AM

Day_Old_Dutchie: Real Women Drink Akvavit: I've never understood the rationale of the "no taxes! but don't cut military spending to save money!" sorts.
 
It's simple. The politicians are greedy bastards that won't raise a finger to help the nation, but they have no problems enriching each other - in fact, they think their moral duty is too their peers.
 
The sad thing is that the majority of these clowns are extremely wealthy in the first place; they don't need their salaries, bonuses or kickbacks (bribes? PACs?) and can live very comfortably on their existing wealth while they are in office.
 
They could send a message that they are serious about our future by saying they will accepts a token salary of 1$ for sitting in that chair. It won't save much initially, , but it just may influence others in a leadership position in government and business to forgo THEIR salary, or at least take a cut for "the team".
 
But it will never happen. We have an entitled bunch of selfish stubborn assholes running the show right now both in government and business who are more intent on helping their pampered peers accumulate wealth than actually looking at the long view,

 
It never ceases to amaze me how short sighted some of these alleged people can be. I actually went to live in Norway with some of my family members for a short while. Their tax rates are very high, yet they are one of the wealthiest nations on Earth, with well kept roads, good public education, universal health care, an awesome naval force, etc. Probably a lot of things I don't know about as well.
 
Here in Cali, we've got potholes in our roads, a large homeless population, neighborhoods you'd never want to walk through, surly police and other shenanigans that are very unsavory. I guess if you want something done right, just go ask the nearest Norwegian. They seem to have it down to an art.
 
2012-12-20 09:06:45 AM
I wonder if cats caucused together to determine that there #1 job was to make sure Fartbongo was a one-term POTUS no matter what the cost to the American people. I have heard they are evil little farkers.
 
2012-12-20 09:06:46 AM

Day_Old_Dutchie: Real Women Drink Akvavit: I've never understood the rationale of the "no taxes! but don't cut military spending to save money!" sorts.

It's simple. The politicians are greedy bastards that won't raise a finger to help the nation, but they have no problems enriching each other - in fact, they think their moral duty is too their peers.

The sad thing is that the majority of these clowns are extremely wealthy in the first place; they don't need their salaries, bonuses or kickbacks (bribes? PACs?) and can live very comfortably on their existing wealth while they are in office.

They could send a message that they are serious about our future by saying they will accepts a token salary of 1$ for sitting in that chair. It won't save much initially, , but it just may influence others in a leadership position in government and business to forgo THEIR salary, or at least take a cut for "the team".

But it will never happen. We have an entitled bunch of selfish stubborn assholes running the show right now both in government and business who are more intent on helping their pampered peers accumulate wealth than actually looking at the long view,


They are also extremely good at ramming through laws that only benefit certain industries then lo and behold they "retire" and take cushy high paying consulting jobs in that very industry. It's uncanny.

I started out cynical. I don't think there's a word for how I feel now. Livid is close.
 
2012-12-20 09:08:03 AM
"Herding cats" already implies anger and brain damage on the part of the felines as much as the humans.

/dog person
 
2012-12-20 09:13:53 AM
i.chzbgr.com
 
2012-12-20 09:17:08 AM
The interesting part to me here is that the Republicans can't balance the budget even while flirting with a minor tax increase, never mind cuts. They clearly have no plans or ideas on how to do what they want done. They're not just the party of "No", they're the party of "No Ideas". You'd think at the very least they could push up a bill that would get tossed back by the senate, just to show what they think needs to be done.

That's a long way for the Conservatives to have come in a relatively short time.
 
2012-12-20 09:17:46 AM
Once I interviewed for a job and was asked about my experience leading teams. I talked about theater experience, directing, and compared it to herding cats.

The interviewer had apparently never heard the term, decided in his head I had said "it was like hurting cats," and I don't know what he thought after that but it must have been weird.

So don't say it in a job interview.

/csb
 
2012-12-20 09:18:10 AM
monoski


I wonder if cats caucused together to determine that there #1 job was to make sure Fartbongo was a one-term POTUS no matter what the cost to the American people. I have heard they are evil little farkers.


Wouldn't surprise me. Congress is a rich white mans club. They don't be wantin' no negros there.
 
2012-12-20 09:22:40 AM
Detroit Dog Rescue has pulled dogs out of the worst possible environments and some of the stories about the dogs ability to recover and be lovable are just astounding.

sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2012-12-20 09:22:52 AM

starsrift: The interesting part to me here is that the Republicans can't balance the budget even while flirting with a minor tax increase, never mind cuts. They clearly have no plans or ideas on how to do what they want done. They're not just the party of "No", they're the party of "No Ideas". You'd think at the very least they could push up a bill that would get tossed back by the senate, just to show what they think needs to be done.

That's a long way for the Conservatives to have come in a relatively short time.


And they've been doing that for years. They've publicly stated that this strategy is all they have. They are a leaderless party devoid of ideas.
 
2012-12-20 09:23:17 AM

starsrift: The interesting part to me here is that the Republicans can't balance the budget even while flirting with a minor tax increase, never mind cuts. They clearly have no plans or ideas on how to do what they want done. They're not just the party of "No", they're the party of "No Ideas". You'd think at the very least they could push up a bill that would get tossed back by the senate, just to show what they think needs to be done.

That's a long way for the Conservatives to have come in a relatively short time.


Incredible, considering the very small step that is admitting that the government cannot sustain the rate at which it drunkenly throws around money it doesn't have.
 
2012-12-20 09:25:44 AM

dittybopper: LordBollocks: Someone once compared getting consensus in Congress managing computer programmers to herding cats

FTFM

If you need to manage your programmers to any significant degree, you're doing it wrong. Lead them, yes, inspire them, yes, but "managing" highly intelligent, independent thinkers rarely works out well.

Almost all of the material improvements in my department have come from within, and were achieved by a consensus of the programmer/analysts and DBAs, who then presented the proposals to our boss. It would have been much different, and almost assuredly for the worse, had those things been imposed on us from the top down instead of from the bottom up.


As someone who worked in a deportment in which programmers were heavily managed, your assessment was dead on.
 
2012-12-20 09:26:29 AM
Lobby before party before country.
 
2012-12-20 09:27:59 AM

starsrift: The interesting part to me here is that the Republicans can't balance the budget even while flirting with a minor tax increase, never mind cuts. They clearly have no plans or ideas on how to do what they want done. They're not just the party of "No", they're the party of "No Ideas". You'd think at the very least they could push up a bill that would get tossed back by the senate, just to show what they think needs to be done.

That's a long way for the Conservatives to have come in a relatively short time.


And yet they will take control of the Senate in 2014
 
2012-12-20 09:30:03 AM

sendtodave: Serious Black: It's true, the article is about Congress. However, if somebody who has signed the pledge votes "yea" on this bill because it's not technically a tax increase but would vote "nay" on the Senate bill because it technically is a tax increase, they would be somebody who could agree that both of those things is true.

It both is a tax increase, and it isn't a tax increase when voted on? That's like herding Schrödinger's cats.


That was pretty awesome.
 
2012-12-20 09:40:06 AM

mytdawg: Detroit Dog Rescue has pulled dogs out of the worst possible environments and some of the stories about the dogs ability to recover and be lovable are just astounding.

 
[sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 403x403]
 
Dammit, you're costing me money. I may look scary and slightly freakish to others, but I've got a tender heart. Especially when it comes to animals. I will donate at the drop of a hat to an animal cause. 
 
/never shoulda started watching those videos
//poor goggies!
 
2012-12-20 09:40:40 AM

born_yesterday: starsrift: The interesting part to me here is that the Republicans can't balance the budget even while flirting with a minor tax increase, never mind cuts. They clearly have no plans or ideas on how to do what they want done. They're not just the party of "No", they're the party of "No Ideas". You'd think at the very least they could push up a bill that would get tossed back by the senate, just to show what they think needs to be done.

That's a long way for the Conservatives to have come in a relatively short time.

And they've been doing that for years. They've publicly stated that this strategy is all they have. They are a leaderless party devoid of ideas.


They seem to be pretty effective at regression. Passive-Aggressive Regression?
 
2012-12-20 09:42:47 AM

mytdawg: Detroit Dog Rescue has pulled dogs out of the worst possible environments and some of the stories about the dogs ability to recover and be lovable are just astounding.

[sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 403x403]


Hahahaaa. Wrong thread. Dammit. Multi-tasking gone horribly wrong. Fraction-tasking it seems.
 
2012-12-20 09:45:15 AM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: mytdawg: Detroit Dog Rescue has pulled dogs out of the worst possible environments and some of the stories about the dogs ability to recover and be lovable are just astounding.

[sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 403x403]

Dammit, you're costing me money. I may look scary and slightly freakish to others, but I've got a tender heart. Especially when it comes to animals. I will donate at the drop of a hat to an animal cause.

/never shoulda started watching those videos
//poor goggies!


My apologies. It was meant for the blind Golden thread. DDR has a really good videographer it seems though. The videos are heart wrenching but extremely well done. Ought to put those people in charge of Congress although that may be a crappier job than they are doing now.
 
2012-12-20 09:49:43 AM
"We are the party that says you should not raise taxes."

That is the most retarded political ideology I've ever heard, and I say that as a conservative. I can understand and support the Republicans being the party that fights to keep taxes and expenditures as low as possible while continuing to maintain our fiscal responsibilities and vital infrastructures. To simply say "Taxes never, ever go up for any reason, period!", especially during a period when taxes are near historical lows, is almost comically stupid. Not only is it horrible fiscal policy, it puts you into a position that allows no room whatsoever for debate and compromise. That's a huge problem in a democracy. You are virtually guaranteeing perpetual gridlock, standing firm to your misguided ideals while your country burns around you. I guess it fits nicely on a bumper sticker though, and it's simple enough for your brain-dead constituents to understand.

Look, Republicans: I realize that in Republican fantasy land we can simply de-fund NPR and Planned Parenthood, kick the blacks off of "welfare", increase military spending and lower taxes and somehow the budget will miraculously be balanced. That's all well and good. Unfortunately we live in a place that I like to call "reality". Get your pants off of your head, your mouth off of Grover's cock, and help us come up with a plan to get this country back on track. Your ridiculous posturing and mindless absolutism accomplishes nothing and threatens to destroy your country from within. Congratulations, assholes. You're trying to put us on a path to become a 3rd-world country, but at least the billionaires can keep an extra 3% in their offshore bank accounts, so I guess it's all good.
 
2012-12-20 09:53:29 AM

mytdawg: mytdawg: Detroit Dog Rescue has pulled dogs out of the worst possible environments and some of the stories about the dogs ability to recover and be lovable are just astounding.

[sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 403x403]

Hahahaaa. Wrong thread. Dammit. Multi-tasking gone horribly wrong. Fraction-tasking it seems.


That's OK, it was better thought out than 95% of the derp I this thread.
 
As long as people cling to the belief it's the other teams fault we as a nation are screwed.
 
Republicans need to concede taxes go up. Democrats have to concede that the tax paying base needs to expand and that spending needs to be reigned in. People are going to have to give back some of the things they were promised because the government lied about it's ability to deliver in order to buy votes.
 
We almost need to put them all in a room, cut off contact from the outside world, allow all votes to be confidential, and not let them out till they solve this mess.
 
All those bastards are more concerned with re election than fixing the country.
 
2012-12-20 09:54:14 AM
You insult brain damaged cats by comparing them to Tea Partiers
 
2012-12-20 09:59:29 AM

Silly Jesus: Because anyone not sharing your exact viewpoints is obviously brain damaged.....


No, just Republicans.
 
2012-12-20 10:00:13 AM

IamKaiserSoze!!!:
As long as people cling to the belief it's the other teams fault we as a nation are screwed....


Except that, objectively speaking, it really IS the Republican party's fault. That doesn't make the Democrats perfect bay any means, but by any objective assessment, the Democrats are more in tune with reality.
 
2012-12-20 10:00:17 AM

ghare: You insult brain damaged cats by comparing them to Tea Partiers


www.templeofcats.com
 
2012-12-20 10:01:02 AM

mod3072: "We are the party that says you should not raise taxes."

That is the most retarded political ideology I've ever heard, and I say that as a conservative. I can understand and support the Republicans being the party that fights to keep taxes and expenditures as low as possible while continuing to maintain our fiscal responsibilities and vital infrastructures. To simply say "Taxes never, ever go up for any reason, period!", especially during a period when taxes are near historical lows, is almost comically stupid. Not only is it horrible fiscal policy, it puts you into a position that allows no room whatsoever for debate and compromise. That's a huge problem in a democracy. You are virtually guaranteeing perpetual gridlock, standing firm to your misguided ideals while your country burns around you. I guess it fits nicely on a bumper sticker though, and it's simple enough for your brain-dead constituents to understand.

Look, Republicans: I realize that in Republican fantasy land we can simply de-fund NPR and Planned Parenthood, kick the blacks off of "welfare", increase military spending and lower taxes and somehow the budget will miraculously be balanced. That's all well and good. Unfortunately we live in a place that I like to call "reality". Get your pants off of your head, your mouth off of Grover's cock, and help us come up with a plan to get this country back on track. Your ridiculous posturing and mindless absolutism accomplishes nothing and threatens to destroy your country from within. Congratulations, assholes. You're trying to put us on a path to become a 3rd-world country, but at least the billionaires can keep an extra 3% in their offshore bank accounts, so I guess it's all good.


You are such a rare creature that I had to favorite you in green1.... you are the only one with that designation. You are favorited as "intelligent conservative" which really means that you don't think in talking points.

/wish there were more like you.
 
2012-12-20 10:01:20 AM

A Terrible Human: Tard thread?
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/hehe bonus pic of my mom's puppie Cookie and my sisters dog Ziggy
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I love that cat so much.
 
2012-12-20 10:01:29 AM

Serious Black: Silly Jesus: Serious Black: Silly Jesus: Because anyone not sharing your exact viewpoints is obviously brain damaged.....

Grover has said that letting the tax cuts expire for people making over $1 million is not technically a tax increase. Grover has also said that letting the tax cuts expire for people making over $250,000 is technically a tax increase. Please explain how anybody could say those two things or agree that both of those things are true without being brain damaged.

Ah, I didn't realize that when subby said "Congress" he actually meant "Grover Norquist."

It's true, the article is about Congress. However, if somebody who has signed the pledge votes "yea" on this bill because it's not technically a tax increase but would vote "nay" on the Senate bill because it technically is a tax increase, they would be somebody who could agree that both of those things is true.


I was really hoping no one would talk to silly jesus so he would just go away. so i guess my only alternative is "ignore".
 
2012-12-20 10:03:12 AM

Lost Thought 00: And yet they will take control of the Senate in 2014


Not to start talking election stuff already, but the D-R split is 55-45 at present. What six (D) seats are the Republicans going to win? It's way too early to start polling, or thinking about how the Senate is going to be perceived by the public, but just looking at demographics, that's a big chunk of races to win.
 
2012-12-20 10:06:06 AM

dittybopper: born_yesterday: But if they don't toe tow the party line,

/Pet Peave.


Actually. no.

From The Grammarist:
The idiom is toe the line, not tow the line. The phrase derives from track-and-field events in which athletes are required to place a foot on a starting line and wait for the signal to go. Race officials used to shout "Toe the line!" where now they shout "On your marks!" Since entering the language, the idiom has developed to mean do what is expected or act according to someone else's rules or expectations.

/pet peeve

//oh, wait.....
 
2012-12-20 10:08:53 AM

mytdawg: Real Women Drink Akvavit: mytdawg: Detroit Dog Rescue has pulled dogs out of the worst possible environments and some of the stories about the dogs ability to recover and be lovable are just astounding.

 
[sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 403x403]
 
Dammit, you're costing me money. I may look scary and slightly freakish to others, but I've got a tender heart. Especially when it comes to animals. I will donate at the drop of a hat to an animal cause.
 
/never shoulda started watching those videos
//poor goggies!

 
My apologies. It was meant for the blind Golden thread. DDR has a really good videographer it seems though. The videos are heart wrenching but extremely well done. Ought to put those people in charge of Congress although that may be a crappier job than they are doing now.
 
It's for a very good cause though, so no real harm, no foul. Besides, I've got about a six month reserve left, so I'm good. The foul is on the people who left animals in such deplorable conditions. 
 
/unemployed for a while now, but it's totally chill so far
 
2012-12-20 10:11:49 AM

mod3072: "We are the party that says you should not raise taxes."

That is the most retarded political ideology I've ever heard, and I say that as a conservative. I can understand and support the Republicans being the party that fights to keep taxes and expenditures as low as possible while continuing to maintain our fiscal responsibilities and vital infrastructures. To simply say "Taxes never, ever go up for any reason, period!", especially during a period when taxes are near historical lows, is almost comically stupid. Not only is it horrible fiscal policy, it puts you into a position that allows no room whatsoever for debate and compromise. That's a huge problem in a democracy. You are virtually guaranteeing perpetual gridlock, standing firm to your misguided ideals while your country burns around you. I guess it fits nicely on a bumper sticker though, and it's simple enough for your brain-dead constituents to understand.

Look, Republicans: I realize that in Republican fantasy land we can simply de-fund NPR and Planned Parenthood, kick the blacks off of "welfare", increase military spending and lower taxes and somehow the budget will miraculously be balanced. That's all well and good. Unfortunately we live in a place that I like to call "reality". Get your pants off of your head, your mouth off of Grover's cock, and help us come up with a plan to get this country back on track. Your ridiculous posturing and mindless absolutism accomplishes nothing and threatens to destroy your country from within. Congratulations, assholes. You're trying to put us on a path to become a 3rd-world country, but at least the billionaires can keep an extra 3% in their offshore bank accounts, so I guess it's all good.


Welcome to Greenland. Maybe red actually...
 
2012-12-20 10:19:17 AM

pissedoffmick: These are the very same folks that spent a bazillion dollars running ads every 2 minutes for months and months touting how effective they would ineffective and rabid their opponent would be once elected, right?


FTFY. "Attack" ads have gained much more favor than "Promise" ads, it seems to me.
 
2012-12-20 10:21:45 AM
Never had a problem herding my cats. The congress-critters, on the other hand, are just too expensive.
 
2012-12-20 10:35:22 AM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: It never ceases to amaze me how short sighted some of these alleged people can be. I actually went to live in Norway with some of my family members for a short while. Their tax rates are very high, yet they are one of the wealthiest nations on Earth, with well kept roads, good public education, universal health care, an awesome naval force, etc. Probably a lot of things I don't know about as well.

Here in Cali, we've got potholes in our roads, a large homeless population, neighborhoods you'd never want to walk through, surly police and other shenanigans that are very unsavory. I guess if you want something done right, just go ask the nearest Norwegian. They seem to have it down to an art.



Norway has oil, though. Denmark is a better example.

/ 50% of GDP in taxes?
// 60% marginal tax rate, plus 25% VAT?
/// It's more likely than you think... to lead to a below-EU-average unemployment rate with positive trade balance (and top-notch public services)!
 
2012-12-20 10:35:26 AM
Isn't welfare something you have to pay back nowadays? I heard Clinton  passed that law. If that is true, I don't get what the big deal is about someone being on welfare for a while so the recipient doesn't end up homeless. I've never had to be on it, but I've known people who did have to go on the dole. The welfare department here in Cali put so many "you must do this, you must do that with us, you must attend this class" on them that it was actually hard for them to go look for work. It's part of the reason I built up such a healthy reserve in my savings in the first place. I never want to have to go through that. Then having to pay it back would suck even more. Dudes. Not cool. Not cool at all. 
 
Look out for your own, and your own is your fellow countrymen.  It starts with your family and spirals outwards into the wider community, then to the rest of the nation, if necessary. 
 
Oh, and if someone is a billionaire, they certainly don't need my help by having a lower tax rate than many/most middle class types. Sell your wife's Prada collection if you start running low on cash, jackass. Too bad that won't fit on a bumper sticker.
 
2012-12-20 10:36:45 AM
theinspirationroom.com

theinspirationroom.com

www.jugglingcats.com

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-20 10:41:03 AM

ghare: IamKaiserSoze!!!:
As long as people cling to the belief it's the other teams fault we as a nation are screwed....

Except that, objectively speaking, it really IS the Republican party's fault. That doesn't make the Democrats perfect bay any means, but by any objective assessment, the Democrats are more in tune with reality.


And by objective you mean what you read in HuffPo or watch on MSNBC.
 
The Democrats have promised that this entire mess can be fixed by only making 1% of the population endure some pain. That's reality?
 
I'm making less than $250k.
 
I'm willing to;
 
Pay more taxes
Put off Mcare and SS a year or two
See across the board spending cuts in all federal programs of 2-5%
Have a comprehensive review of all current and proposed federal regulations to assess effectiveness
 
What would you personally be willing to endure?
 
2012-12-20 10:44:21 AM

IamKaiserSoze!!!: ghare: IamKaiserSoze!!!:
As long as people cling to the belief it's the other teams fault we as a nation are screwed....

Except that, objectively speaking, it really IS the Republican party's fault. That doesn't make the Democrats perfect bay any means, but by any objective assessment, the Democrats are more in tune with reality.

And by objective you mean what you read in HuffPo or watch on MSNBC.

The Democrats have promised that this entire mess can be fixed by only making 1% of the population endure some pain. That's reality?

I'm making less than $250k.

I'm willing to;

Pay more taxes
Put off Mcare and SS a year or two
See across the board spending cuts in all federal programs of 2-5%
Have a comprehensive review of all current and proposed federal regulations to assess effectiveness

What would you personally be willing to endure?


Citation please.

btw I agree with the rest of your points. Maybe you should consider dropping the bullshait talking points and start acting like the reasonable human being that you apparently are.
 
2012-12-20 10:47:20 AM

mod3072: Look, Republicans: I realize that in Republican fantasy land we can simply de-fund NPR and Planned Parenthood, kick the blacks off of "welfare", increase military spending and lower taxes and somehow the budget will miraculously be balanced. That's all well and good. Unfortunately we live in a place that I like to call "reality". Get your pants off of your head, your mouth off of Grover's cock, and help us come up with a plan to get this country back on track. Your ridiculous posturing and mindless absolutism accomplishes nothing and threatens to destroy your country from within. Congratulations, assholes. You're trying to put us on a path to become a 3rd-world country, but at least the billionaires can keep an extra 3% in their offshore bank accounts, so I guess it's all good.


Would you like to hug or make out?
 
2012-12-20 10:52:57 AM
The analogy still holds but now you'll have to imagine that the cats are angry and brain damaged...
because of in-breeding.
 
2012-12-20 10:54:21 AM

urbangirl: dittybopper: born_yesterday: But if they don't toe tow the party line,

/Pet Peave.

Actually. no.

From The Grammarist:
The idiom is toe the line, not tow the line. The phrase derives from track-and-field events in which athletes are required to place a foot on a starting line and wait for the signal to go. Race officials used to shout "Toe the line!" where now they shout "On your marks!" Since entering the language, the idiom has developed to mean do what is expected or act according to someone else's rules or expectations.

/pet peeve

//oh, wait.....


Are you not familiar with the Farkism known as the "Rotsky"?
 
2012-12-20 10:56:45 AM

BizarreMan: dittybopper: edmo: So they're feral now?

Feral Congress would be an excellent band name.

When you think about one of the other definitions of Congress as sexual relations that is even cooler.


Oh, I was well aware of that connotation.
 
2012-12-20 11:05:59 AM

wambu: The kind of kitty we need to spend time herding instead.
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So, which porn star is that? Also, why aren't there more "kitties" in this thread?
 
2012-12-20 11:12:23 AM
The House is completely illegitimate. It's the one and only body of the federal government that is supposed to directly represent popular opinion. There should never, EVER be an instance where one party clearly wins a majority of the national popular vote in the House, and yet the other party walks away with a massive majority of elected representatives.

F*ck gerrymandering. Obama should make a stink about it in front of cameras. Why hasn't he done so? He is entitled to have a blue Senate and House for the next two years. He is goddamn entitled to it.
 
2012-12-20 11:24:45 AM

Tommy Moo: The House is completely illegitimate. It's the one and only body of the federal government that is supposed to directly represent popular opinion. There should never, EVER be an instance where one party clearly wins a majority of the national popular vote in the House, and yet the other party walks away with a massive majority of elected representatives.

F*ck gerrymandering. Obama should make a stink about it in front of cameras. Why hasn't he done so? He is entitled to have a blue Senate and House for the next two years. He is goddamn entitled to it.


Reach across that aisle and slap the shiat out of supposed adults acting like petulant 2 year olds...
 
2012-12-20 11:28:49 AM

Tommy Moo: There should never, EVER be an instance where one party clearly wins a majority of the national popular vote in the House, and yet the other party walks away with a massive majority of elected representatives.


That's like saying that the World Series should be decided not by which team wins the most games, but by which team makes the most runs. Which is stupid.
 
2012-12-20 11:33:30 AM

blue_2501: wambu: The kind of kitty we need to spend time herding instead.
[i.imgur.com image 850x1231]

So, which porn star is that? Also, why aren't there more "kitties" in this thread?


Anna Song Link is NSFW
 
2012-12-20 11:33:43 AM

phyrkrakr: Lost Thought 00: And yet they will take control of the Senate in 2014

Not to start talking election stuff already, but the D-R split is 55-45 at present. What six (D) seats are the Republicans going to win? It's way too early to start polling, or thinking about how the Senate is going to be perceived by the public, but just looking at demographics, that's a big chunk of races to win.


Assuming they don't lose Kerry's seat - Arkansas, Loiusiana, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Oregon, Alaska, Colorado, Minnisota

All those were 2008 pickups that were by the skin of their teeth even with the Obama bump.
 
2012-12-20 11:42:02 AM

trivial use of my dark powers: Cats generally aren't as vocal as Congress critters. It's more like trying to fight your way free of a pack of drunken, rabid howler monkeys without getting bitten or sexually assaulted.

 
I dunno...cats with Siamese in their bloodlines can get pretty mouthy...and they can be very opinionated little bastids too.
 
For the record...the proper term for a bunch of domestic cats is a clowder.
Cats aren't wired for herding. They are predators and herding is a safety-increasing behavior of non-predatory critters.
 
 
You can LEAD cats, however.  
First, the cats have to like you...or at least not consider you a threat.  Then you have to have something that they want...and you have to let them see/smell or otherwise know that you have it.
Start walkin', and you will have a furry escort.  
Just step carefully.  A lot of cats do the 'following from the front' thing and can trip you up in nothing flat.
 
/ Actually, I like mouthy, opinionated Siamese-descended cats...
// Even if they do tend to lack volume control...
 
2012-12-20 11:49:08 AM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Philbb: Obligatory.

I love that commercial! It was an old Superbowl commercial, wasn't it? I forgot all about it until you posted the link.
 
/starts day with a happy smile


Yeah...THIS
 
Hi RWDA!
 
2012-12-20 11:58:18 AM

syzygy whizz: Real Women Drink Akvavit: Philbb: Obligatory.

 
I love that commercial! It was an old Superbowl commercial, wasn't it? I forgot all about it until you posted the link.
 
/starts day with a happy smile

 
Yeah...THIS
 
Hi RWDA!

 
HI! 
 
*dances about for both of us*
 
2012-12-20 12:30:14 PM
Come on, people! More cat pictures!!
 
2012-12-20 12:47:01 PM

Tsukue: Come on, people! More cat pictures!!


i.chzbgr.com
 
2012-12-20 01:00:53 PM

The Irresponsible Captain: Never had a problem herding my cats. The congress-critters, on the other hand, are just too expensive.


perhaps shock collars would help?
 
2012-12-20 01:01:53 PM

dittybopper: Tommy Moo: There should never, EVER be an instance where one party clearly wins a majority of the national popular vote in the House, and yet the other party walks away with a massive majority of elected representatives.

That's like saying that the World Series should be decided not by which team wins the most games, but by which team makes the most runs. Which is stupid.


No, it's like saying that the makeup of the House should be decided by which party has the most popular support, which is exactly what the House was designed to be.
 
2012-12-20 01:07:41 PM
I'm sick of politics, but the headline made me laugh. So in the spirit of the thread, here's my "elected representative" after a hard day negotiating with Congress

lh5.googleusercontent.com

It's not a drinking problem. He can stop anytime he wants.
 
2012-12-20 01:18:42 PM
Democrats - The solution is new revenue or taxes! Taking more of what individuals and businesses earn is the answer! If a business used to make $100 and now makes $97 because taxes went up, they either spend $3 less so they can continue to make the same amount or they take the hit and make less so are worth less as a business. One impacts spending the other impacts savings but either way, our private economy is now worth $3 less and our government economy is worth $3 more. Same logic for individuals and same result.

Republicans - The solution is for the government to spend less! Taking less of what individuals and businesses earn is the answer! The businesses and individuals keep making the same $100 and get to decide how to spend or save that $3. Our private economy continues to be worth the $3 while the government economy is left to decide 1) borrow to keep spending up today leveraging future spending power or 2) spend $3 less. Either way the government economy is worth $3 less.

Will the interests of the majority (government) or the interests of the individual (people and businesses) prevail? So now that the derp's out of it, which side are you on?
 
2012-12-20 01:20:07 PM
i.chzbgr.com
 
2012-12-20 01:41:01 PM
They have no trouble at all coming together when their wealthy donor friends interests require it, or to destroy the concept of Civil Liberties.

Protecting the Banks from prosecution for Fraud? Bipartisan support

Endless highly profitable War? Bipartisan support

War on Drugs / For profit prisons? Bipartisan support

Free Trade Agreements that allow America's manufacturing jobs to be shipped out of the nation, without any sort of protective tariffs when those products are brought back in? Bipartisan support

Patriot Act? Bipartisan support

Throwing Americans into Military Prisons without a Trial? Bipartisan support

Hell, right now, the Senate is trying to sneak through an extension of the "temporary" FISA Amendments that legalized Bush style warrantless spying on Americans. Without any sort of debate or publicity.

Just like the last Patriot Act extension was snuck through with as little debate and publicity as possible.

It's not that they don't know what Americans want. It's that they want to fark us over without our noticing.

dl.dropbox.com
 
2012-12-20 02:08:04 PM
i.chzbgr.com
 
2012-12-20 03:44:38 PM

Tommy Moo: dittybopper: Tommy Moo: There should never, EVER be an instance where one party clearly wins a majority of the national popular vote in the House, and yet the other party walks away with a massive majority of elected representatives.

That's like saying that the World Series should be decided not by which team wins the most games, but by which team makes the most runs. Which is stupid.

No, it's like saying that the makeup of the House should be decided by which party has the most popular support, which is exactly what the House was designed to be.


Which is why my analogy is correct:

Imagine this World Series between team A and team B:

Game 1: A 12, B 3
Game 2: A 4, B 5
Game 3: A 5, B 3
Game 4: A 3, B 4
Game 5: A 7, B 9
Game 6: A 5, B 6

Team A managed to get more runs in the series, 36 vs. 30 for team B, but they still lost the series because they lost 4 out of the 7 potential games.

That's how this sort of thing works. If you look at the popular vote, Barack Obama has no mandate: He won a bare 51% of the vote. The state split was close too: 26 to 24. But because President Obama carried states with higher electoral college votes, he actually won the election by a much wider margin, 332 to 206.

The nice thing about the House, though, is that a Republican or Democrat enclave inside a state that swings the opposite way can still get someone to represent them. Why would anyone be opposed to that?
 
2012-12-20 04:41:16 PM
Getting consensus in Congress is as easy as highiering an army of Lobbyists.
 
2012-12-20 04:55:38 PM

Philbb: Obligatory.


I remember that commercial and I remember liking it and I remember thinking to myself "Who the fark is EDS?"

Now when I watch it again, I think to myself "Who the fark is/was EDS?"
 
2012-12-20 05:55:16 PM

dittybopper: Tommy Moo: dittybopper: Tommy Moo: There should never, EVER be an instance where one party clearly wins a majority of the national popular vote in the House, and yet the other party walks away with a massive majority of elected representatives.

That's like saying that the World Series should be decided not by which team wins the most games, but by which team makes the most runs. Which is stupid.

No, it's like saying that the makeup of the House should be decided by which party has the most popular support, which is exactly what the House was designed to be.

Which is why my analogy is correct:

Imagine this World Series between team A and team B:

Game 1: A 12, B 3
Game 2: A 4, B 5
Game 3: A 5, B 3
Game 4: A 3, B 4
Game 5: A 7, B 9
Game 6: A 5, B 6

Team A managed to get more runs in the series, 36 vs. 30 for team B, but they still lost the series because they lost 4 out of the 7 potential games.

That's how this sort of thing works. If you look at the popular vote, Barack Obama has no mandate: He won a bare 51% of the vote. The state split was close too: 26 to 24. But because President Obama carried states with higher electoral college votes, he actually won the election by a much wider margin, 332 to 206.

The nice thing about the House, though, is that a Republican or Democrat enclave inside a state that swings the opposite way can still get someone to represent them. Why would anyone be opposed to that?


It wouldn't be a problem if it were random, as happens in baseball. But there is a systemic bias toward one party. Because Republicans control more state legislatures, they are able to make it so there is always a bias toward the GOP in the house.
 
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