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(New Jersey 101.5)   Parents upset that teens no longer believe marijuana is dangerous. Still unclear if today's Gen X parents ever believed it themselves   (nj1015.com) divider line 86
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2012-12-19 02:25:50 PM  
12 votes:
...said Mom & Dad as they finished their gin &tonic and scotch respectively...
2012-12-19 02:27:59 PM  
11 votes:
Teens no longer believed marijuana was dangerous when I was a teenager
 
/and that was... a while ago
2012-12-19 05:38:10 PM  
8 votes:
I'll take stoners over drunk obnoxious assholes any day.
2012-12-19 02:30:56 PM  
8 votes:
Teens upset that parents/the media/the government have been lying to them.
 
Be honest with your kid. It's not a very dangerous drug, but it's still a drug. Seriously, this talk should mimic the alcohol talk almost exactly.
 
My parents told me they understand they can't control what I do and don't do outside of the house, but they also warned me that any consequences that came from my actions I would be dealing with myself. If I'm old enough to decide to drink a beer while underage, I'm old enough to deal with those consequences if caught.
2012-12-19 03:14:42 PM  
5 votes:

oh_please: She cited recently published research showing that people who used marijuana heavily before age 18 had impaired mental abilities even after they quit using the drug. Those who used cannabis heavily in their teens and into their adulthood showed a significant drop in IQ between the ages of 13 and 38, according to the studies. 
 
So, she's saying if you're going to wake and bake, then keep smoking all day, there may be problems? To the RomeroCopter!


To be fair, if your day consists of watching Spongebob Squarepants reruns and eating cheetos, your IQ will drop regardless of how much weed you smoke.
2012-12-19 05:48:44 PM  
4 votes:

taurusowner: I don't know if it's just correlation or causation. I've never met someone who regularly smoked weed who wasn't a total idiot. I'm not decisively saying that the weed made them an idiot, but that the two seem to go hand in hand somehow.



You have no idea how many people around you smoke, because the smart ones don't just go around showing people or telling them about it.
2012-12-19 03:41:31 PM  
4 votes:

Jubeebee: -Use of illicit drugs other than marijuana was at a low for eighth-, 10th- and 12th-grade students.
-Reported alcohol use continued to steadily decline, falling to the lowest level on record.
 
 
So a use of a drug that is not particularly addictive nor particularly harmful is increasing, while use of more harmful, more addictive drugs is decreasing.
 
This is somehow a bad thing.



This means less future income for the alcoholic beverage industry and, with the way laws are heading, less future income for the private prison industry.  We can't have that.
2012-12-19 03:29:59 PM  
4 votes:
-Use of illicit drugs other than marijuana was at a low for eighth-, 10th- and 12th-grade students.
-Reported alcohol use continued to steadily decline, falling to the lowest level on record.
 

 
So a use of a drug that is not particularly addictive nor particularly harmful is increasing, while use of more harmful, more addictive drugs is decreasing.
 
This is somehow a bad thing.
2012-12-19 02:48:21 PM  
4 votes:

scottydoesntknow: gopher321: ...said Mom & Dad as they finished their gin &tonic and scotch respectively...


Don't forget the prescription pills like Prozac to treat the anxiety of talking to your kids about drugs (or gays).



And right after they slip little jimmy some amphetamines for his "ADD".
2012-12-19 02:32:31 PM  
4 votes:

gopher321: ...said Mom & Dad as they finished their gin &tonic and scotch respectively...



Don't forget the prescription pills like Prozac to treat the anxiety of talking to your kids about drugs (or gays).
2012-12-19 09:03:54 PM  
3 votes:
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Well, Stan, the truth is marijuana probably isn't gonna make you kill people, and it most likely isn't gonna fund terrorism, but... Well son, pot makes you feel fine with being bored. It's when you're bored that you should be learning some new skill or discovering some new science or being creative. If you smoke pot you may grow up to find out that you aren't good at anything.
2012-12-19 05:39:06 PM  
3 votes:
The real danger of pot (or alcohol, for that matter) is doing them a lot while too young. Don't fark with your brain chemistry while it's still developing or you're going to end up as a loser like all of those fear tactics say.

/Over 18...kindof ok
//Over 21, just fine
2012-12-19 05:38:23 PM  
3 votes:

Nadie_AZ: Don't lie to your kids about drugs and alcohol. They'll use that against you when they rebel. I've openly talked to my kids about why people would want to use them and what would drive someone to try keep using. School teaches doom and gloom and horrible things. But let's be honest: if you tell a kid 'don't do that' then when they get angry or rebellious they are going to do it.

 
 
Not just that, but if you lie about the danger's of Teh Debil's Weed!!!!! they might assume you are as equally clueless about drugs that are dangerous. And then the real shiat hits the fan.
2012-12-19 05:26:25 PM  
3 votes:
I was a teen in the 70's.  We didn't believe weed was dangerous then.  Nice to know 30 years of DARE and Just Say No have been so effective
2012-12-19 02:29:26 PM  
3 votes:
They're upset because they are afraid the stoner kids never amount to anything and end up living in their basements forever while littering the place with cheeto dust and 2L mt dew bottles.
2012-12-19 08:21:21 PM  
2 votes:

Legios: whidbey: Legios: You had no business asking it.

And in some other people it it can increase the risk for developing psychotic symptoms and schizophreniform disorder. That doesn't make it 'harmless' or me 'anti-drug'.

I seriously doubt you're going to find much evidence supporting that statement. Not pertaining to adults, anyway.

O RLY?
Based on a general population cohort from New Zealand (N = 1011), the Diagnostic and statistical Manual for Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition, criteria for cannabis dependency was used to identify cannabis-dependent participants at age 18 and 21 years. Self-reported rates of psychotic symptoms were significantly higher for those who were dependent compared with those who were not cannabis dependent at age 18 and 21 years.


YA rly. I am more than familiar with that information. I'm also familiar that people who are predisposed to mental illness start showing symptoms around that age.
Pav
2012-12-19 07:43:53 PM  
2 votes:
I have a friend who was the biggest stoner from about the 9th grade through the age of about 30. He currently makes millions of dollars a year by always being the smartest person in the room. I know many more who still smoke from those days who make 6 figure salaries and do just fine. These studies seem to contradict all the evidence I have personally experienced. I would say if your stupid your stupid and if your smart your smart and how much pot you smoke makes no difference what so ever.
2012-12-19 07:41:39 PM  
2 votes:

drayno76: amquelbettamin: I honestly wish I had drank a LOT less in college. Should have smoked herb more and drank less. Being stupid drunk is no way to go through college. Unfortunately consequences for smoking herb on campus were much higher than drinking so drinking culture prevailed.

I went to school in the mid-west during the mid 90's. We had pretty much the same situation. If you were in the room with someone toking and it got busted by the school, or the cops, you were no longer going to be in school. If your room-mate has possession in the room and got caught, unless you rolled on them, you were getting kicked out and charged with possession too. I did the frat thing, we drank like fish but if anyone brought herb in the house they were tossed out on their a$$. I had a pathetic 2.1 until I decided to pull my head out of my rectum and apply myself. I somehow finished with a 3.2 after wasting a lot of time and money blowing off classes and drinking.

Fifteen years and 2 successful careers later, I've decided to go back to get my masters. I stopped drinking well over 10 years ago because I stopped liking it. Unfortunately, due to a back injury I now smoke cannabis to prevent chronic back spasms. The last time the muscle relaxants and pain killers stopped working I was offered the next drug, Vicodin. I asked what would happen when that quit working and my doctor said it would likely be Oxy unless something else came up; then he said, "Or you can move and probably get years of relief."

Smoke weed daily and haven't had a back spasm in 15 months. I'm also maintaining a 3.9 GPA in my masters.

Booze got me a 2.1 and 3 years of sober make up classes to graduate with something respectful.

Weed, I can walk, pick things up, sit in a chair, and I've got almost a 4.0.

Weed wins but it isn't perfect. If you're nuts, get a shrink not a baggie. If you're balanced I recommend eating or vaporizing over smoking, it's just better for ya.


This is truly inspiring story. Colleges really should get with the program. Could you imagine instead of profs crashing undergrad parties and playing beer pong, if they would show up to a smaller group in the dorms with a bag of weed and some Socrates? Much cooler.
2012-12-19 07:19:00 PM  
2 votes:

Surool: It is exactly as dangerous as alcohol. Most people have known this for a long time.

 
We really need a "stupid" button.
2012-12-19 07:16:51 PM  
2 votes:

scottydoesntknow: amquelbettamin: I honestly wish I had drank a LOT less in college. Should have smoked herb more and drank less. Being stupid drunk is no way to go through college. Unfortunately consequences for smoking herb on campus were much higher than drinking so drinking culture prevailed.


I had the best dorm room freshman year of college. On the second floor, and the only room with direct window access to a brick rooftop above the entrance to the dorms. The wall bricks were just high enough that you could set a couple chairs up there and no one at ground level would ever see you. My roommate and I set up a couple fold-away chairs and a magnetic chess set on a little table. Anytime we were bored we'd go out, toke up, and play a few games. I think I got to the point where I played better after smoking. My mind stopped racing and I could focus on just the game.


Sounds lovely and civilized.

I bet you never thought it'd be fun to throw the chess pieces at people below, set the chair on fire, draw a dick on a sleeping person's face with a Sharpie, and then vomit on your friend's lap either...
2012-12-19 07:01:44 PM  
2 votes:
I honestly wish I had drank a LOT less in college. Should have smoked herb more and drank less. Being stupid drunk is no way to go through college. Unfortunately consequences for smoking herb on campus were much higher than drinking so drinking culture prevailed.
2012-12-19 06:24:08 PM  
2 votes:

MooseUpNorth: What I know about marijuana could fit in one of those really small baggies (alongside what I know about Gangnam Style, Justin Bieber, and dubstep.) Serious question in need of a serious and reliable answer: Is there a small minority of people who are at some risk of a psychotic episode when on marijuana or is that just FUD from the abstinence-only crowd?


It can exacerbate a number of pre-existing mental health issues like bipolar disorder. That's not propaganda.
2012-12-19 06:19:05 PM  
2 votes:

taurusowner: I don't know if it's just correlation or causation. I've never met someone who regularly smoked weed who wasn't a total idiot. I'm not decisively saying that the weed made them an idiot, but that the two seem to go hand in hand somehow.


I don't know about regularly (I know a lot of people that smoke the textbook definition of "regularly" that are smarter and more motivated than you, me and everyone in this thread; It's embarrassing sometimes), but I've seen the same with people that wake and bake, then stay stoned all or most of the day. To be fair they aren't, never were, and never would have been mental giants even when you remove weed from the equation and have nearly the same, if not identical, problems as alcoholics.
2012-12-19 05:57:12 PM  
2 votes:

Uranus Is Huge!: taurusowner: I don't know if it's just correlation or causation. I've never met someone who regularly smoked weed who wasn't a total idiot. I'm not decisively saying that the weed made them an idiot, but that the two seem to go hand in hand somehow.

Ever played a video game or used a piece of software and been impressed? Stoners are responsible.


Ever learned any modern physics? Stoners are responsible. Same with most modern chemistry.
2012-12-19 05:51:05 PM  
2 votes:
I just don't like people that say it's completely safe. A few people in this thread have implied that. It's not 100% safe. If you want to be constructive, supportive, and actually beneficial to the movement of having marijuana legalized, you need to admit that the tests and studies have been done by independent, unbiased groups and that marijuana is dangerous and under what circumstances that danger elevates. It's not a terrible drug, but there are risks as with any drug.

If you run around preaching that weed is harmless you just sound like an idiot and actually make everyone else involved in the movement look bad. Educate yourself before you open your mouth. Maybe then you'll have a better come-back in debates than claiming it's a government conspiracy telling everyone marijuana has risks.
2012-12-19 05:49:30 PM  
2 votes:

meathome: It's a shame that responsible parenting (or even teaching children about being responsible for themselves) has become more the exception than the rule.


Show some data to back up that assertion or else it's just the same generational bullshiat we've been hearing since language has been invented.
2012-12-19 05:40:07 PM  
2 votes:

jj325: I was a teen in the 70's. We didn't believe weed was dangerous then


But did you "know," or did you just suspect that because you enjoyed doing it? I was born in 1980, and the first time I ever saw weed was in 1992, when some older kids had it in the 7-11 parking lot. My parents were paranoid nutjobs, so my first thought at that time was these kids were about to go screaming around the street complaining of bugs all over themselves, all while acting super super drunk (I was not a very bright kid). My feelings were a product of both whatever nonsense was taught to me in health class, and the fact that my parents just plain sucked (though they did love me very much, they just sucked at parenting).

I didn't realize until college (1998) that there were basically no harmful side effects from weed, so long as you didn't try to drive or operate heavy machinery.

Ain't America grand?
2012-12-19 05:35:03 PM  
2 votes:
Should be corrected to: "Teenagers no longer believe that marijuana is dangerous because they know that it's not".

All things have some inherent level of danger to them; calling something dangerous implies some risk of injury far greater than the average object, say a fork. I'd imagine the danger from marijuana is approximately on the same order as that of forks.
2012-12-19 05:30:37 PM  
2 votes:
Dangerous? You should see some of the stuff I have done on Jack Daniels. It's lucky I am still alive. Never had anything even close with good ol' herb. Unless sitting on the couch is considered dangerous?
2012-12-19 03:54:31 PM  
2 votes:
We are increasingly concerned that regular or daily use of marijuana is robbing many young people of their potential to achieve and excel in school or other aspects of life," said Dr. Nora D. Volkow, director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse, which is part of NIH. 
 
Translation - f*cking NORML, we need to outlaw those sons of biatches!  how DARE they go around telling kids the truth!  we have to scare 'em while they're young or they'll never listen to our bullshiat ever again!
2012-12-19 02:57:48 PM  
2 votes:

Sybarite: Marijuana killed my father and raped my mother!

 
 
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2012-12-19 02:54:03 PM  
2 votes:
Don't lie to your kids about drugs and alcohol. They'll use that against you when they rebel. I've openly talked to my kids about why people would want to use them and what would drive someone to try keep using. School teaches doom and gloom and horrible things. But let's be honest: if you tell a kid 'don't do that' then when they get angry or rebellious they are going to do it. 
2012-12-19 02:53:27 PM  
2 votes:
I still have a problem with the government telling anyone what they can or cannot do as long as they don't infringe upon others freedom.
2012-12-19 02:50:21 PM  
2 votes:
Parents upset that teens no longer believe marijuana is dangerous and that they learned it by watching them
 
Fixed
2012-12-20 02:02:38 AM  
1 votes:

Rockstone: If someone asked me this question I'd answer that yes, it is quite dangerous, however, states ought to legalize it anyway.

/ smoking is dangerous and it's legal. What makes pot different, again?


Tobacco is very difficult to grow so there is little chance of people being able to bypass taxes and grow it for themselves. Weed grows like a, well, weed. Also, weed (hemp specifically) was threatening William Randolph Hearst's textile monopoly  industry so he pushed for it becoming illegal, using his papers to help convince people it was dangerous, also non-whites were more dangerous because of it. 
Weed became illegal in the first place because of a greedy asshole who wanted less competition. It's remained illegal because it was an easy way to help keep minorities in their place after jim-crow ended; Nixon's campaign to preserve "law and order" certainly didn't help any also.
2012-12-20 01:22:27 AM  
1 votes:
The general pubic seems to be finally wising up and realizing that prohibition causes much more problems to society than legalization. It's been long overdue, but the tide of public opinion is changing.

This might be strictly anecdotal and please correct me if I'm wrong, but the "damage" that pot use causes to society overall is microscopic compared to perfectly legal drugs like alcohol. Alcohol is more damaging and addictive psychologically and physically than many illegal drugs. Alcohol withdrawal is the only withdraw besides legal benzos (Xanax) that can kill you stone dead. This isn't including the assaults, date rapes, car accidents and domestic violence directly associated with alcohol abuse and addiction. I've never read a story on FARK where a pothead beat their spouse or got into a brawl outside a nightclub because they were really stoned. You also don't read the same farking story the local newspaper prints every year about some 18-year old kid, who smoked so much pot that he turned blue and died. I've seen that story play out with alcohol PLENTY of times.

Anyone reading this post, I'd like to pose a hypothetical question (paraphrased from the late, great Bill Hicks. You're at a party and someone is violent and aggressive...are they drunk or smoking pot?

Prohibition only leads to a black market to fill the demand where the marijuana trade is more lethal than the drug itself. It exposes more kids to marijuana because of it's sheer illegality (drug dealers aren't known for checking ID) and only serves the interest of filling the pockets of criminals who are more than willing to settle business disputes at the barrel of a gun. The damage that the War on Drugs has done to our communities and the criminal justice system at large is frankly a national disgrace.

If the DEA was to actually reclassify alcohol as a drug, it'd be listed as Schedule I with little to no debate.

I will agree that burnouts are some of the most irritating people on planet Earth. Being forced to listen to some douchbag's Phish playlist when you're just looking to smoke a blunt drives me out of my mind. Still better than dealing with someone completely shiatfaced in a bar.
2012-12-20 12:42:19 AM  
1 votes:

Acharne: Alright, one last go. At the risk of regretting replying to a troll again, I'll bite one last time. I completely understand the argument that the the people for weed, sometimes are a little bit too for weed. This rabidness with which anyone against weed is attacked in this thread is good evidence of that. I can see this being a reason to post and even post something trying to diffuse it. However, the position that often gets taken on the other viewpoint is that weed is bad, weed is a gateway drug, why not just drink etc, yadda yadda, you've heard it all, same as me. Especially if you're in Washington, you heard it all much louder and more recently than I have. So knowing this, knowing the arguments for and against, you elected to stir up the people on both sides. Intentionally. While you may very well have been simply reminding people to chill out, it looks like an intentional fanning of the flames. The point, or aim of your post needed to be explained after the fact, but the effect of it was pronounced. Personally, I think you're trolling, needlessly. However, there is enough merit to what you're saying I feel there is room for a mea culpa in all of it and it's worth me taking a couple minutes to type this all out. What you do with it is up to you. I tried to point out that the subject of the thread was not relevant to why I took umbrage with your post, but I think you deflected that with the whole 'farking the chicken' comment. It's completely fair for me to point out that you're derailing or not contributing, no matter if you voted for or against weed. I don't care what your position is, I care how facts are represented. You knowingly, and apparently lovingly, crafted a misrepresentation of the facts, and you weren't treated nicely as a result. You made your bed too.

Anyways, you did remind me to chill out, so hopefully you'll take my post with the good nature it was intended.


Look dude/tte, I stated plainly that I had no idea people would interpret that initial posting that way, and instead of a discussion, I was attacked. Frankly, had the Weeners been reasonable I would have simply copped to the misunderstanding. I trolled after the first attack. I fully admitted trolling after I was called on it. I have no intention of taking the blame for how idiotically defensive people are on the subject. The people hysterically defending weed to absurd lengths are EXACTLY as bad as the people making sh*t up against weed. They are not helping the cause in the slightest.

Saying pot is as bad as alcohol (a) isn't a bad thing, and (b) isn't something anti-pot people are saying. Both are drugs, and some people will abuse them. Most people who use either one in moderation suffer no ill effects. To claim pot has zero downside is delusional, and making that claim will cause people who might be persuaded to vote for legalization to see you as a liar.

To those who care: I don't have links to the Pro-cannabis websites in the Washington initiative, but they handled it correctly. If you want to make it legal in your state... look at their ads and educational material. Copy their blueprint. They presented an entirely reasonable viewpoint. Stop going apesh*t on everyone you think might be against pot. If you sound like an unhinged douche-bag, and people won't want to be on your side of anything.
2012-12-19 10:15:05 PM  
1 votes:

Surool: Acharne: Surool: It is exactly as dangerous as alcohol. Most people have known this for a long time.

0/10

The dozen times my post was quoted proves your rating wrong. Plus, you can never give a zero if you yourself respond.


It's not a sport. I scored you based on my opinion of the post, not how well you did at trolling people. None of this changes anything, the only result when trolls troll is that they expose the fact that even their grand mothers were raised poorly.
2012-12-19 10:11:09 PM  
1 votes:

Surool: Acharne: Surool: It is exactly as dangerous as alcohol. Most people have known this for a long time.

0/10

The dozen times my post was quoted proves your rating wrong. Plus, you can never give a zero if you yourself respond.


-1/10
2012-12-19 10:02:30 PM  
1 votes:

3 G's: I am not suggesting that using Cannabis all day is as "harmless" as drinking water all day, but in terms of true critical and immediate "danger", using Cannabis would have to rank very, very low on any rational human being's scale of truly "dangerous behavior".


The funny thing is not a single person has ever died from overdosing on marijuana. People have died from drinking too much water(i.e. hyponatraemia).
2012-12-19 08:46:32 PM  
1 votes:

taurusowner: I don't know if it's just correlation or causation. I've never met someone who regularly smoked weed who wasn't a total idiot. I'm not decisively saying that the weed made them an idiot, but that the two seem to go hand in hand somehow.


You just haven't met the right people.

/besides, you drive a taurus, what do you know? :p
2012-12-19 08:46:16 PM  
1 votes:

Legios: whidbey: Legios: whidbey: Legios: You had no business asking it.

And in some other people it it can increase the risk for developing psychotic symptoms and schizophreniform disorder. That doesn't make it 'harmless' or me 'anti-drug'.

I seriously doubt you're going to find much evidence supporting that statement. Not pertaining to adults, anyway.

O RLY?
Based on a general population cohort from New Zealand (N = 1011), the Diagnostic and statistical Manual for Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition, criteria for cannabis dependency was used to identify cannabis-dependent participants at age 18 and 21 years. Self-reported rates of psychotic symptoms were significantly higher for those who were dependent compared with those who were not cannabis dependent at age 18 and 21 years.

YA rly. I am more than familiar with that information. I'm also familiar that people who are predisposed to mental illness start showing symptoms around that age.

So the fact that the information states that those who are admitted and self-reported psychotic episodes are more likely in people who have cannabis dependency proves there's no correlation whatsoever?


No, the fact you keep ignoring the bold part is kind of annoying, though.

/By the way, the mean age of onset for schizophrenia spectrum disorders is 24.14 years (SD = 7.58 years; range: 15-51 years). Not 18 or 21. But I'm sure you knew that.
//Eh, I've had enough of this pissing match...


Why not just admit that marijuana is relatively harmless, and take it from there?
2012-12-19 08:38:44 PM  
1 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Weed should be legal, and there are certainly legal drugs which are more dangerous (alcohol and tobacco namely), but it's always amusing to me to hear stoners laud pot as some miracle substance with zero adverse effects.


I'm sure it is.
2012-12-19 08:36:17 PM  
1 votes:

Kazan: Weaver95: We are increasingly concerned that regular or daily use of marijuana is robbing many young people of their potential to achieve and excel in school or other aspects of life," said Dr. Nora D. Volkow, director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse, which is part of NIH. 
 
Translation - f*cking NORML, we need to outlaw those sons of biatches!  how DARE they go around telling kids the truth!  we have to scare 'em while they're young or they'll never listen to our bullshiat ever again!


yeah.. because you're really able to learn when drunk/stoned.  


Depends on the person. Weed helped me focus when i was studying. If i didn't have any, i was all over the place...
2012-12-19 08:23:23 PM  
1 votes:

hasty ambush: whidbey: hasty ambush: whidbey: hasty ambush: Pav: I have a friend who was the biggest stoner from about the 9th grade through the age of about 30. He currently makes millions of dollars a year by always being the smartest person in the room. I know many more who still smoke from those days who make 6 figure salaries and do just fine.

citation?

Fark off.

Well that was an eloquent, well reasoned, sober response.

I honestly can't imagine how such an insensitive loaded obviously anti-drug attitude should be otherwise addressed.

You had no business asking it.

Don't make claims you can't back up. I know a man who makes millions bidding on abandon storage lockers in Somalia and his great great grandfather develped a funcitonal practical flying machine years before the Wright brothers but it was supressed by the railraoid interests.

It is not anti-drug, It is anti-stupidity. I am not anti-legalization just anti-there is no harm and it will be some kind of economic windfall to solve all our problems BS.

As for insensitive welcome to Fark. What are you, some girl?


Keep digging that hole. To be fair, you come off sounding like an asshole. Pot and success are not mutually exclusive.
2012-12-19 08:23:10 PM  
1 votes:

Pav: And what exactly would you like me to cite? I don't have any need to lie to people on chat boards. I assure you what I have said is true and if you don't believe me I don't really care. I know many many pot heads and in general most of them are doing better then most people I know who are anti. That being said my friend who makes millions only smokes on special occasions now because he is too busy. however it did nothing to hamper his intelligence.


I myself have problems with anecdotal evidence.

But it's noteworthy to mention that people who are successful (outside of the entertainment industry) aren't going to brag publicly about how much pot they smoke on or off the job.

That said, I'd love to see a study or survey.
2012-12-19 08:10:00 PM  
1 votes:

Legios: You had no business asking it.

And in some other people it it can increase the risk for developing psychotic symptoms and schizophreniform disorder. That doesn't make it 'harmless' or me 'anti-drug'.


I seriously doubt you're going to find much evidence supporting that statement. Not pertaining to adults, anyway.
2012-12-19 07:54:59 PM  
1 votes:

whidbey: scottydoesntknow: whidbey: Well, subby, apparently people think marijuana is "dangerous" enough that they freaked out about a bunch of kids bringing pot brownies to school in Colorado and not telling anyone about it.

That's not fair though. That's like someone spiking a punch and not telling anyone about it. It's still a mind altering drug, and not actually knowing that your mind is about to be altered can seriously fark with a person.

That may be, but you'd think with the laws in place that there's no distinction of whether the mind-altering substance is something mild like pot or totally intense like LSD.

We still have a very draconian legal view of cannabis. For no good reason. The "gateway drug" argument is bullshiat, and pretty much all of the negative view surrounding cannabis is because of people like Harry Anslinger, J Edgar Hoover and other seriously right-wing people in power.


Agree 100%. I'd still kick the ass of anyone who spiked anything without people knowing.
2012-12-19 07:54:06 PM  
1 votes:

hasty ambush: Pav: I have a friend who was the biggest stoner from about the 9th grade through the age of about 30. He currently makes millions of dollars a year by always being the smartest person in the room. I know many more who still smoke from those days who make 6 figure salaries and do just fine.

citation?


Fark off.
2012-12-19 07:46:47 PM  
1 votes:

whidbey: Well, subby, apparently people think marijuana is "dangerous" enough that they freaked out about a bunch of kids bringing pot brownies to school in Colorado and not telling anyone about it.


That's not fair though. That's like someone spiking a punch and not telling anyone about it. It's still a mind altering drug, and not actually knowing that your mind is about to be altered can seriously fark with a person.
 
Even though there's no chance of dying from it, if I had never partaken in the devil's plant, and didn't know I was partaking, I would probably freak out my first time too.
2012-12-19 07:38:06 PM  
1 votes:

Rockstone: What makes pot different, again?


It's not dangerous? If weed is dangerous, than EVERYTHING is dangerous.
2012-12-19 07:33:50 PM  
1 votes:

amquelbettamin: I honestly wish I had drank a LOT less in college. Should have smoked herb more and drank less. Being stupid drunk is no way to go through college. Unfortunately consequences for smoking herb on campus were much higher than drinking so drinking culture prevailed.


I went to school in the mid-west during the mid 90's. We had pretty much the same situation. If you were in the room with someone toking and it got busted by the school, or the cops, you were no longer going to be in school. If your room-mate has possession in the room and got caught, unless you rolled on them, you were getting kicked out and charged with possession too. I did the frat thing, we drank like fish but if anyone brought herb in the house they were tossed out on their a$$. I had a pathetic 2.1 until I decided to pull my head out of my rectum and apply myself. I somehow finished with a 3.2 after wasting a lot of time and money blowing off classes and drinking.

Fifteen years and 2 successful careers later, I've decided to go back to get my masters. I stopped drinking well over 10 years ago because I stopped liking it. Unfortunately, due to a back injury I now smoke cannabis to prevent chronic back spasms. The last time the muscle relaxants and pain killers stopped working I was offered the next drug, Vicodin. I asked what would happen when that quit working and my doctor said it would likely be Oxy unless something else came up; then he said, "Or you can move and probably get years of relief."

Smoke weed daily and haven't had a back spasm in 15 months. I'm also maintaining a 3.9 GPA in my masters.

Booze got me a 2.1 and 3 years of sober make up classes to graduate with something respectful.

Weed, I can walk, pick things up, sit in a chair, and I've got almost a 4.0.

Weed wins but it isn't perfect. If you're nuts, get a shrink not a baggie. If you're balanced I recommend eating or vaporizing over smoking, it's just better for ya.
2012-12-19 07:32:32 PM  
1 votes:
Cannabis is the cure for greed and violence.

Bad for a country fueled by both.
2012-12-19 07:31:17 PM  
1 votes:
24.media.tumblr.com
2012-12-19 07:17:03 PM  
1 votes:

scottydoesntknow: Teens upset that parents/the media/the government have been lying to them.
 
Be honest with your kid. It's not a very dangerous drug, but it's still a drug. Seriously, this talk should mimic the alcohol talk almost exactly.
 
My parents told me they understand they can't control what I do and don't do outside of the house, but they also warned me that any consequences that came from my actions I would be dealing with myself. If I'm old enough to decide to drink a beer while underage, I'm old enough to deal with those consequences if caught.



For real.
 
I mean, if people had been honest about pot from the beginning (I mean, from the 1960's), then we wouldn't be in this situation now. I'm of the generation that got told OMFG! POT WILL TURN YOUR BRAINS TO MUSH! BEFORE IT MAKES YOU USE HEROIN!! and not coincidentally, people of my age bracket are now in Washington and other seats of government, making legislation on pot. The other half are out running pot dispensaries, so probably we've got two more generations before everyone just calms the f*ck down about pot.
 
But we'd have gotten there a lot sooner if people had acknowledged 50 years ago that a) pot is a drug, and b) it's not a deadly drug, but c) it's still a drug.
2012-12-19 07:14:34 PM  
1 votes:
Same parents who bundle up their children with four layers of clothes, and stand in the window watching as the kid just walks across the street in late October.

x2d.xanga.com
CUT THE CORD ALREADY.
2012-12-19 07:10:58 PM  
1 votes:
SEE??!! THIS is what happens when you let children onto the internet. They learn that everyone has been is blowing smoke up their ass. For their part, they generally resent this and start doing things like telling you to piss off with your lies and propaganda.

Then they start to question other things that they have been told...
2012-12-19 06:53:36 PM  
1 votes:
Government funded anti-drug bozos find out that their future funding is threatned by legal weed, go into full panic mode to make sure we KNOW just how dangerous that evil, evil Mary-Jane is.

When the simple fact is this:

1. Kids should not use any drugs, including cigs and booze.

2. Adults are free to do so.

But the loss of funding...so sad for them, boo hoo.

You told us for years: "If you don't like the law CHANGE IT!" Well, we did, at least in two states, so get over yourselves already. More people die every hour in cell phone related accidents than die annualy of marijuana overdoses...
2012-12-19 06:39:37 PM  
1 votes:
The beginning of the end of prohibition started last month. It's over. You lost, all you farkhead war junkies. Time for some sanity for a change. Time for the age of enlightenment to begin. Toke up!
2012-12-19 06:38:23 PM  
1 votes:
35 years daily smoker here.
The only danger I've encountered is getting caught with it.
2012-12-19 06:33:03 PM  
1 votes:

hasty ambush: taurusowner: I don't know if it's just correlation or causation. I've never met someone who regularly smoked weed who wasn't a total idiot. I'm not decisively saying that the weed made them an idiot, but that the two seem to go hand in hand somehow.

Maybe not idiot as much as a lack of common sense. Regardless of your belief in harmful effects or lack thereof it is/was illegal and I have seen otherwise well educated. allegedly intelligent, people risking careers, family etc to inhale fumes from burning vegetation.


I've also seen intelligent people engage in dangerous/risky/criminal behavior after ingesting liquid made from fermented, distilled grain. Others have spent thousands of dollars for nothing more than fermented crushed grapes.

The Mona Lisa is nothing but a piece of dead tree with chemical pigments arranged in an interesting fashion.
2012-12-19 06:29:14 PM  
1 votes:

MooseUpNorth: Serious question in need of a serious and reliable answer: Is there a small minority of people who are at some risk of a psychotic episode when on marijuana or is that just FUD from the abstinence-only crowd?


It can trigger psychotic episodes in people that are already prone to them, but it's not going to cause an otherwise normal person to flip their shiat. Unless you're an idiot and eat a whole tray of hash cakes at once.
2012-12-19 06:26:08 PM  
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Jizz Master Zero: MooseUpNorth: What I know about marijuana could fit in one of those really small baggies (alongside what I know about Gangnam Style, Justin Bieber, and dubstep.) Serious question in need of a serious and reliable answer: Is there a small minority of people who are at some risk of a psychotic episode when on marijuana or is that just FUD from the abstinence-only crowd?

I'm going with FUD. I'm no neurologist, but the only way that a normal, healthy person going to have a psychotic break that I can think of is if it's laced with something. As far as I understand it, THC simply doesn't interact with the brain like that so there's got to be some severely screwy (and thus incredibly rare) wiring going on.


lol.. see my post above yours...
2012-12-19 06:25:41 PM  
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Surool: Neondistraction: Surool: It is exactly as dangerous as alcohol. Most people have known this for a long time.

Not really. When was the last time someone overdosed on pot? People die from alcohol poisoning all the time, but not once in all of recorded human history has anyone died from marijuana, it's simply not toxic enough.

The particulates and junk in your lungs can still give you emphysema. I've never been against pot, but I have never been so dumb as to ignore the downsides.


It can give you emphysema, if you smoke it (which you don't have to, there are other methods) and even then studies have shown an increased risk only in people who have a genetic history of emphysema to begin with.

Alcohol will slowly kill your liver, along with other organs and vital functions. Alcohol is also one of the few drugs that withdrawl from can actually be fatal.

Either is relatively safe if used in moderation, but my point is that claiming marijuana is as dangerous as alcohol is absurd.
2012-12-19 06:23:16 PM  
1 votes:
Been smoking it for 40 years and have yet to suffer any setbacks. Took an IQ test 2 years ago and scored a 118.
My state just legalized it. It appears my protests over the years were not in vain.
2012-12-19 06:19:42 PM  
1 votes:

Neondistraction: Surool: It is exactly as dangerous as alcohol. Most people have known this for a long time.

Not really. When was the last time someone overdosed on pot? People die from alcohol poisoning all the time, but not once in all of recorded human history has anyone died from marijuana, it's simply not toxic enough.



Well, there's driving while high.  I rarely smoke pot, but the times I have... no way should I have been behind the wheel (and I wasn't).
2012-12-19 06:13:21 PM  
1 votes:
i.imgur.com

Give it up already, prudes. Haven't enough people been thrown in jail because of your warped morality? Either way, you're losing. Ha.
2012-12-19 06:12:16 PM  
1 votes:

Neondistraction: Surool: It is exactly as dangerous as alcohol. Most people have known this for a long time.

Not really. When was the last time someone overdosed on pot? People die from alcohol poisoning all the time, but not once in all of recorded human history has anyone died from marijuana, it's simply not toxic enough.


The particulates and junk in your lungs can still give you emphysema. I've never been against pot, but I have never been so dumb as to ignore the downsides.
2012-12-19 06:10:36 PM  
1 votes:
"I believe sucking cigarette smoke into your lungs will kill you."

thesimplestream.com
2012-12-19 06:02:45 PM  
1 votes:

JPSimonetti: you need to admit that the tests and studies have been done by independent, unbiased groups and that marijuana is dangerous and under what circumstances that danger elevates. It's not a terrible drug, but there are risks as with any drug.


Like all those studies that found a link between marijuana use and cancer? Oh wait, they all found no increased rates of cancer compared to non-smokers, even amongst the heaviest of smokers.
2012-12-19 05:54:56 PM  
1 votes:

PonceAlyosha: scottydoesntknow: You have no idea how many people around you smoke, because the smart ones don't just go around showing people or telling them about it.

Carl Sagan disagrees.


So does Clinton, Obama, Michael Phelps, etc.
 
What I'm saying is the guys (or girls) in your office who are really smart and get everything done right probably won't tell people they smoke because they still need job security, and it's still an illegal substance.
2012-12-19 05:52:49 PM  
1 votes:

taurusowner: I don't know if it's just correlation or causation. I've never met someone who regularly smoked weed who wasn't a total idiot. I'm not decisively saying that the weed made them an idiot, but that the two seem to go hand in hand somehow.



Hi. I'm CapeFearCadaver, nice to meet you.
2012-12-19 05:48:08 PM  
1 votes:

scottydoesntknow:
 
My parents told me they understand they can't control what I do and don't do outside of the house, but they also warned me that any consequences that came from my actions I would be dealing with myself. If I'm old enough to decide to drink a beer while underage, I'm old enough to deal with those consequences if caught.


It's a shame that responsible parenting (or even teaching children about being responsible for themselves) has become more the exception than the rule.
2012-12-19 05:46:44 PM  
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Day_Old_Dutchie: Jubeebee: -Use of illicit drugs other than marijuana was at a low for eighth-, 10th- and 12th-grade students.
-Reported alcohol use continued to steadily decline, falling to the lowest level on record.
 
 
So a use of a drug that is not particularly addictive nor particularly harmful is increasing, while use of more harmful, more addictive drugs is decreasing.
 
This is somehow a bad thing.


To your average dense-skulled conservative, yes it is.


It is bad, because if people don't feel bad, are not ashamed, are not embarrassed by their behavior then they will not turn to a Christian church for forgiveness. By allowing these retched minors to discover that sex feels good, pot and alcohol can make you feel good and not have them ashamed or criminally punished by their behavior then they will turn away from a Christian church. Then how are we going to control them? Hmmm... have you thought about that?
2012-12-19 05:44:56 PM  
1 votes:

taurusowner: I don't know if it's just correlation or causation. I've never met someone who regularly smoked weed who wasn't a total idiot. I'm not decisively saying that the weed made them an idiot, but that the two seem to go hand in hand somehow.



I've long suspected that you are a serious stoner.
2012-12-19 05:44:29 PM  
1 votes:

Nickninja: The real danger of pot (or alcohol, for that matter) is doing them a lot while too young. Don't fark with your brain chemistry while it's still developing or you're going to end up as a loser like all of those fear tactics say.

/Over 18...kindof ok
//Over 21, just fine


www.newmediaexplorer.org
2012-12-19 05:41:12 PM  
1 votes:
I don't know if it's just correlation or causation. I've never met someone who regularly smoked weed who wasn't a total idiot. I'm not decisively saying that the weed made them an idiot, but that the two seem to go hand in hand somehow.
2012-12-19 05:35:47 PM  
1 votes:
That's easy enough to fix.
 
"Look at your parents.  They smoked a lot of pot when they were your age."
"OH SHIAT! I'm never touching pot again."
2012-12-19 05:31:24 PM  
1 votes:

NkThrasher: ...Wait, which teenagers believed that it was dangerous* still?


* as in 'any more dangerous than alcohol'


bible thumping derpers that had no fun growing up. the same people that belive that Jesus's first miracle was turning water into welches grape drink.
2012-12-19 05:28:27 PM  
1 votes:
parents need to parent
/problem solved
2012-12-19 05:15:44 PM  
1 votes:
This shocking information is brought to you by 1965.
How can the truth about pot be supressed for 80 years and the plans for a thermonuclear device be on the internet?
It amazes me that this lie is apparently supported by the same people that out the Santa Claus or Tooth Fairy derp.
And those lies are a LOT more believable.
 
Anybody blame the media beside me?
They are trying(and succeeding) to legislate from the Televising of Mass Killing and can't even call the Drug Warriors on their bullchit???
 
/guess we know who pays the bills
2012-12-19 04:54:48 PM  
1 votes:

SuperTramp: Imagine everyone with that same, monotone voice, man.


Steven Wright approves.
2012-12-19 03:52:25 PM  
1 votes:
And these kids will be running the country in 25 years.
2012-12-19 03:03:59 PM  
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I LEARNED IT FROM YOU, DAD! ALRIGHT! I LEARNED IT BY WATCHING YOU!!!
2012-12-19 03:02:32 PM  
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I certainly wouldn't encourage kids to smoke pot OR drink...because they're probably not responsible enough to handle either.  But overall, pot IMHO is less harmful than alcohol.
2012-12-19 02:54:09 PM  
1 votes:
Marijuana killed my father and raped my mother!
 
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