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2012-12-19 07:32:32 PM  
Cannabis is the cure for greed and violence.

Bad for a country fueled by both.
 
2012-12-19 07:32:43 PM  

libranoelrose: scottydoesntknow: UsikFark: Why did this get bumped?


You noticed that too? Thought I was high or something...


What happened, man?


I'm trying to maintain over here.
 
2012-12-19 07:33:02 PM  

SearchN: I still don't know where your car is. Stop asking.


:-/

Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude...
 
2012-12-19 07:33:10 PM  
If someone asked me this question I'd answer that yes, it is quite dangerous, however, states ought to legalize it anyway.

/ smoking is dangerous and it's legal. What makes pot different, again?
 
2012-12-19 07:33:26 PM  

scottydoesntknow: amquelbettamin: scottydoesntknow: amquelbettamin: I honestly wish I had drank a LOT less in college. Should have smoked herb more and drank less. Being stupid drunk is no way to go through college. Unfortunately consequences for smoking herb on campus were much higher than drinking so drinking culture prevailed.


I had the best dorm room freshman year of college. On the second floor, and the only room with direct window access to a brick rooftop above the entrance to the dorms. The wall bricks were just high enough that you could set a couple chairs up there and no one at ground level would ever see you. My roommate and I set up a couple fold-away chairs and a magnetic chess set on a little table. Anytime we were bored we'd go out, toke up, and play a few games. I think I got to the point where I played better after smoking. My mind stopped racing and I could focus on just the game.

Sounds lovely and civilized.

I bet you never thought it'd be fun to throw the chess pieces at people below, set the chair on fire, draw a dick on a sleeping person's face with a Sharpie, and then vomit on your friend's lap either...

Nah I did vomit on the back of a really hot girl's head one time though. That was fun.
 
/If your friend says he has the flu and doesn't want to go to the bars, don't make him go to the bars
//And don't proceed to make him do shots to impress the hot girls, because he might end up puking on her


Hehehe nice
 
2012-12-19 07:33:42 PM  

UsikFark: I'm trying to maintain over here.


HAHAHAHAHA
 
2012-12-19 07:33:50 PM  

amquelbettamin: I honestly wish I had drank a LOT less in college. Should have smoked herb more and drank less. Being stupid drunk is no way to go through college. Unfortunately consequences for smoking herb on campus were much higher than drinking so drinking culture prevailed.


I went to school in the mid-west during the mid 90's. We had pretty much the same situation. If you were in the room with someone toking and it got busted by the school, or the cops, you were no longer going to be in school. If your room-mate has possession in the room and got caught, unless you rolled on them, you were getting kicked out and charged with possession too. I did the frat thing, we drank like fish but if anyone brought herb in the house they were tossed out on their a$$. I had a pathetic 2.1 until I decided to pull my head out of my rectum and apply myself. I somehow finished with a 3.2 after wasting a lot of time and money blowing off classes and drinking.

Fifteen years and 2 successful careers later, I've decided to go back to get my masters. I stopped drinking well over 10 years ago because I stopped liking it. Unfortunately, due to a back injury I now smoke cannabis to prevent chronic back spasms. The last time the muscle relaxants and pain killers stopped working I was offered the next drug, Vicodin. I asked what would happen when that quit working and my doctor said it would likely be Oxy unless something else came up; then he said, "Or you can move and probably get years of relief."

Smoke weed daily and haven't had a back spasm in 15 months. I'm also maintaining a 3.9 GPA in my masters.

Booze got me a 2.1 and 3 years of sober make up classes to graduate with something respectful.

Weed, I can walk, pick things up, sit in a chair, and I've got almost a 4.0.

Weed wins but it isn't perfect. If you're nuts, get a shrink not a baggie. If you're balanced I recommend eating or vaporizing over smoking, it's just better for ya.
 
2012-12-19 07:38:06 PM  

Rockstone: What makes pot different, again?


It's not dangerous? If weed is dangerous, than EVERYTHING is dangerous.
 
2012-12-19 07:39:28 PM  
Well, subby, apparently people think marijuana is "dangerous" enough that they freaked out about a bunch of kids bringing pot brownies to school in Colorado and not telling anyone about it.

We definitely have a double standard when a relatively harmless drug like marijuana is still legally regarded as something dangerous as heroin or meth.
 
2012-12-19 07:41:18 PM  

scottydoesntknow: JPSimonetti: I just don't like people that say it's completely safe. A few people in this thread have implied that. It's not 100% safe. If you want to be constructive, supportive, and actually beneficial to the movement of having marijuana legalized, you need to admit that the tests and studies have been done by independent, unbiased groups and that marijuana is dangerous and under what circumstances that danger elevates. It's not a terrible drug, but there are risks as with any drug.

If you run around preaching that weed is harmless you just sound like an idiot and actually make everyone else involved in the movement look bad. Educate yourself before you open your mouth. Maybe then you'll have a better come-back in debates than claiming it's a government conspiracy telling everyone marijuana has risks.

Can you point to the post where someone said it was harmless or "completely safe"? I think I've seen you say that in another thread where no one said anything about it being "harmless". Less harmful than alcohol? Sure, but no one's said anything about it being completely safe.


It's less harmful in some of the population, in others it can be extremely dangerous. The biggest issue appears to be that there hasn't been enough controlled studies performed because they were (and still are) too damn hard to perform with the government restrictions on marijuana. I'd expect in 10-15 years time we'll have much better research and studies.

I agree that alcohol and smoking can be (very) dangerous too, but they existed in mainstream culture before we could perform proper scientific inquiry and trying to suddenly go "No, not yours!" would've been stupid (see: prohibition).
 
2012-12-19 07:41:39 PM  

drayno76: amquelbettamin: I honestly wish I had drank a LOT less in college. Should have smoked herb more and drank less. Being stupid drunk is no way to go through college. Unfortunately consequences for smoking herb on campus were much higher than drinking so drinking culture prevailed.

I went to school in the mid-west during the mid 90's. We had pretty much the same situation. If you were in the room with someone toking and it got busted by the school, or the cops, you were no longer going to be in school. If your room-mate has possession in the room and got caught, unless you rolled on them, you were getting kicked out and charged with possession too. I did the frat thing, we drank like fish but if anyone brought herb in the house they were tossed out on their a$$. I had a pathetic 2.1 until I decided to pull my head out of my rectum and apply myself. I somehow finished with a 3.2 after wasting a lot of time and money blowing off classes and drinking.

Fifteen years and 2 successful careers later, I've decided to go back to get my masters. I stopped drinking well over 10 years ago because I stopped liking it. Unfortunately, due to a back injury I now smoke cannabis to prevent chronic back spasms. The last time the muscle relaxants and pain killers stopped working I was offered the next drug, Vicodin. I asked what would happen when that quit working and my doctor said it would likely be Oxy unless something else came up; then he said, "Or you can move and probably get years of relief."

Smoke weed daily and haven't had a back spasm in 15 months. I'm also maintaining a 3.9 GPA in my masters.

Booze got me a 2.1 and 3 years of sober make up classes to graduate with something respectful.

Weed, I can walk, pick things up, sit in a chair, and I've got almost a 4.0.

Weed wins but it isn't perfect. If you're nuts, get a shrink not a baggie. If you're balanced I recommend eating or vaporizing over smoking, it's just better for ya.


This is truly inspiring story. Colleges really should get with the program. Could you imagine instead of profs crashing undergrad parties and playing beer pong, if they would show up to a smaller group in the dorms with a bag of weed and some Socrates? Much cooler.
 
Pav
2012-12-19 07:43:53 PM  
I have a friend who was the biggest stoner from about the 9th grade through the age of about 30. He currently makes millions of dollars a year by always being the smartest person in the room. I know many more who still smoke from those days who make 6 figure salaries and do just fine. These studies seem to contradict all the evidence I have personally experienced. I would say if your stupid your stupid and if your smart your smart and how much pot you smoke makes no difference what so ever.
 
2012-12-19 07:46:47 PM  

whidbey: Well, subby, apparently people think marijuana is "dangerous" enough that they freaked out about a bunch of kids bringing pot brownies to school in Colorado and not telling anyone about it.


That's not fair though. That's like someone spiking a punch and not telling anyone about it. It's still a mind altering drug, and not actually knowing that your mind is about to be altered can seriously fark with a person.
 
Even though there's no chance of dying from it, if I had never partaken in the devil's plant, and didn't know I was partaking, I would probably freak out my first time too.
 
2012-12-19 07:47:56 PM  

Neondistraction: Surool: Neondistraction: Surool: It is exactly as dangerous as alcohol. Most people have known this for a long time.

Not really. When was the last time someone overdosed on pot? People die from alcohol poisoning all the time, but not once in all of recorded human history has anyone died from marijuana, it's simply not toxic enough.

The particulates and junk in your lungs can still give you emphysema. I've never been against pot, but I have never been so dumb as to ignore the downsides.

It can give you emphysema, if you smoke it (which you don't have to, there are other methods) and even then studies have shown an increased risk only in people who have a genetic history of emphysema to begin with.

Alcohol will slowly kill your liver, along with other organs and vital functions. Alcohol is also one of the few drugs that withdrawl from can actually be fatal.

Either is relatively safe if used in moderation, but my point is that claiming marijuana is as dangerous as alcohol is absurd.


What scale do we use for "danger"? As noted, it is provably much easier to die from a direct overdose of alcohol than from Cannabinoids, ingested by any means or method.

Then again, it is also technically much easier to induce hyponatremia, essentially to overdose on water, than die from an overdose of Cannabinoids ingested by any normal means (not to mention the number of child drowning deaths each year) yet most people would probably say that water is "harmless".

I am not suggesting that using Cannabis all day is as "harmless" as drinking water all day, but in terms of true critical and immediate "danger", using Cannabis would have to rank very, very low on any rational human being's scale of truly "dangerous behavior".

Outside of legitimate medicinal uses the use of Cannabis by children/adolescents should certainly be discouraged; but as you say, to even attempt to equate it with alcohol use/abuse, in terms of the actual "dangers" resulting from said usage, is an absurd lie. That holds true for adults and children alike.

It is also a shame that the popular mischaracterizations of the old "short term memory" studies of the 70's and 80's has led the general public to believe that Cannabis dramatically impairs memory, or learning functions. In truth, regular alcohol abuse is FAR more damaging to memory, both short term as well as long term, than is Cannabis use/abuse.

Personally, I believe it is a shame that nearly 50% of 8th graders DO believe that occasional Cannabis use is "harmful", in a relative sense. Most people seem to forget that it was actually legal for thousands of years, and has only been "illegal" here, at the federal level, for around 76 years.

/RE-legalize it
 
2012-12-19 07:49:21 PM  

Kazan: Weaver95: We are increasingly concerned that regular or daily use of marijuana is robbing many young people of their potential to achieve and excel in school or other aspects of life," said Dr. Nora D. Volkow, director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse, which is part of NIH.

Translation - f*cking NORML, we need to outlaw those sons of biatches!  how DARE they go around telling kids the truth!  we have to scare 'em while they're young or they'll never listen to our bullshiat ever again!


yeah.. because you're really able to learn when drunk/stoned.


Yeah, I can tell you know what you're talking about. You farktard.

/software engineer
//stoned all day
//I write your code, biatch!
 
2012-12-19 07:49:41 PM  

UsikFark: Why did this get bumped?



Why do you care?
 
Or, what has happened to you?
 
2012-12-19 07:50:01 PM  

The Short Bald Guy from Benny Hill: MooseUpNorth: Ah, great. I appreciate the info, everyone.

/ Every now and again one of my students asks me a stumper about things they shouldn't even have heard of, let alone actually be doing, and I'd rather have accurate info/advice for them.
// Like the 8th grader who asked me if anal can cause pregnancy. (It was a serious question, so I answered her seriously.)

What was your answer?


Pretty much that she should make "him" wear a condom regardless; that there's actually a slightly higher risk of STD transmission (some of them) due to abrasions and blood transfer. In retrospect, I suppose there's a non-zero risk of dripping when he pulls out, but I'm not really able to evaluate that (and I didn't think of it then).

/ I did, however, get the impression that it was a 'how much trouble am I in' moment, not a 'contemplating future mayhem' thing.
 
2012-12-19 07:51:32 PM  

scottydoesntknow: whidbey: Well, subby, apparently people think marijuana is "dangerous" enough that they freaked out about a bunch of kids bringing pot brownies to school in Colorado and not telling anyone about it.

That's not fair though. That's like someone spiking a punch and not telling anyone about it. It's still a mind altering drug, and not actually knowing that your mind is about to be altered can seriously fark with a person.


That may be, but you'd think with the laws in place that there's no distinction of whether the mind-altering substance is something mild like pot or totally intense like LSD.

We still have a very draconian legal view of cannabis. For no good reason. The "gateway drug" argument is bullshiat, and pretty much all of the negative view surrounding cannabis is because of people like Harry Anslinger, J Edgar Hoover and other seriously right-wing people in power.
 
2012-12-19 07:53:34 PM  

Pav: I have a friend who was the biggest stoner from about the 9th grade through the age of about 30. He currently makes millions of dollars a year by always being the smartest person in the room. I know many more who still smoke from those days who make 6 figure salaries and do just fine.


citation?
 
2012-12-19 07:54:06 PM  

hasty ambush: Pav: I have a friend who was the biggest stoner from about the 9th grade through the age of about 30. He currently makes millions of dollars a year by always being the smartest person in the room. I know many more who still smoke from those days who make 6 figure salaries and do just fine.

citation?


Fark off.
 
2012-12-19 07:54:59 PM  

whidbey: scottydoesntknow: whidbey: Well, subby, apparently people think marijuana is "dangerous" enough that they freaked out about a bunch of kids bringing pot brownies to school in Colorado and not telling anyone about it.

That's not fair though. That's like someone spiking a punch and not telling anyone about it. It's still a mind altering drug, and not actually knowing that your mind is about to be altered can seriously fark with a person.

That may be, but you'd think with the laws in place that there's no distinction of whether the mind-altering substance is something mild like pot or totally intense like LSD.

We still have a very draconian legal view of cannabis. For no good reason. The "gateway drug" argument is bullshiat, and pretty much all of the negative view surrounding cannabis is because of people like Harry Anslinger, J Edgar Hoover and other seriously right-wing people in power.


Agree 100%. I'd still kick the ass of anyone who spiked anything without people knowing.
 
2012-12-19 07:56:45 PM  

whidbey: hasty ambush: Pav: I have a friend who was the biggest stoner from about the 9th grade through the age of about 30. He currently makes millions of dollars a year by always being the smartest person in the room. I know many more who still smoke from those days who make 6 figure salaries and do just fine.

citation?

Fark off.


Well that was an eloquent, well reasoned, sober response.
 
2012-12-19 07:57:35 PM  

scottydoesntknow: We still have a very draconian legal view of cannabis. For no good reason. The "gateway drug" argument is bullshiat, and pretty much all of the negative view surrounding cannabis is because of people like Harry Anslinger, J Edgar Hoover and other seriously right-wing people in power.

Agree 100%. I'd still kick the ass of anyone who spiked anything without people knowing.


I'd honestly rather it were taken care of in that manner than wasting a bunch of police resources and inflating the charge to something absurd, like "conspiracy to poison using a controlled substance" or whatever BS they might call it.
 
2012-12-19 07:58:43 PM  

AbbeySomeone: taurusowner: I don't know if it's just correlation or causation. I've never met someone who regularly smoked weed who wasn't a total idiot. I'm not decisively saying that the weed made them an idiot, but that the two seem to go hand in hand somehow.


You're a cop. The intelligent smokers are upscale professionals and know how to avoid you.


Touche' sir.
 
2012-12-19 07:58:58 PM  

hasty ambush: whidbey: hasty ambush: Pav: I have a friend who was the biggest stoner from about the 9th grade through the age of about 30. He currently makes millions of dollars a year by always being the smartest person in the room. I know many more who still smoke from those days who make 6 figure salaries and do just fine.

citation?

Fark off.

Well that was an eloquent, well reasoned, sober response.


I honestly can't imagine how such an insensitive loaded obviously anti-drug attitude should be otherwise addressed.

You had no business asking it.
 
2012-12-19 08:01:16 PM  

BunkyBrewman: The parody of the anti-drug PSA.


Then there's this... :)
 
2012-12-19 08:02:03 PM  

The Short Bald Guy from Benny Hill: MooseUpNorth:
// Like the 8th grader who asked me if anal can cause pregnancy. (It was a serious question, so I answered her seriously.)

What was your answer?



Birds stop chirping.
The wind dies down.
Somewhere, a man is drinking a cup of coffee.
He freezes, with the cup at his lips.
 
2012-12-19 08:05:29 PM  

whidbey: hasty ambush: whidbey: hasty ambush: Pav: I have a friend who was the biggest stoner from about the 9th grade through the age of about 30. He currently makes millions of dollars a year by always being the smartest person in the room. I know many more who still smoke from those days who make 6 figure salaries and do just fine.

citation?

Fark off.

Well that was an eloquent, well reasoned, sober response.

I honestly can't imagine how such an insensitive loaded obviously anti-drug attitude should be otherwise addressed.

You had no business asking it.


And in some other people it it can increase the risk for developing psychotic symptoms and schizophreniform disorder. That doesn't make it 'harmless' or me 'anti-drug'.
 
2012-12-19 08:10:00 PM  

Legios: You had no business asking it.

And in some other people it it can increase the risk for developing psychotic symptoms and schizophreniform disorder. That doesn't make it 'harmless' or me 'anti-drug'.


I seriously doubt you're going to find much evidence supporting that statement. Not pertaining to adults, anyway.
 
2012-12-19 08:10:27 PM  

tortilla burger: I'd imagine the danger from marijuana is approximately on the same order as that of forks.



I don't know.  I mean, I've never known of anyone suffering a stab wound from a marijuana.
 
2012-12-19 08:12:39 PM  

whidbey: hasty ambush: whidbey: hasty ambush: Pav: I have a friend who was the biggest stoner from about the 9th grade through the age of about 30. He currently makes millions of dollars a year by always being the smartest person in the room. I know many more who still smoke from those days who make 6 figure salaries and do just fine.

citation?

Fark off.

Well that was an eloquent, well reasoned, sober response.

I honestly can't imagine how such an insensitive loaded obviously anti-drug attitude should be otherwise addressed.

You had no business asking it.


Don't make claims you can't back up. I know a man who makes millions bidding on abandon storage lockers in Somalia and his great great grandfather develped a funcitonal practical flying machine years before the Wright brothers but it was supressed by the railraoid interests.

It is not anti-drug, It is anti-stupidity. I am not anti-legalization just anti-there is no harm and it will be some kind of economic windfall to solve all our problems BS.

As for insensitive welcome to Fark. What are you, some girl?
 
2012-12-19 08:17:17 PM  

whidbey: Legios: You had no business asking it.

And in some other people it it can increase the risk for developing psychotic symptoms and schizophreniform disorder. That doesn't make it 'harmless' or me 'anti-drug'.

I seriously doubt you're going to find much evidence supporting that statement. Not pertaining to adults, anyway.


O RLY?
Based on a general population cohort from New Zealand (N = 1011), the Diagnostic and statistical Manual for Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition, criteria for cannabis dependency was used to identify cannabis-dependent participants at age 18 and 21 years. Self-reported rates of psychotic symptoms were significantly higher for those who were dependent compared with those who were not cannabis dependent at age 18 and 21 years.
 
2012-12-19 08:17:26 PM  

MooseUpNorth: What I know about marijuana could fit in one of those really small baggies (alongside what I know about Gangnam Style, Justin Bieber, and dubstep.) Serious question in need of a serious and reliable answer: Is there a small minority of people who are at some risk of a psychotic episode when on marijuana or is that just FUD from the abstinence-only crowd?



That part is true.  People describe it as being extremely overwhelming, and the episode tends to last much longer than a normal marijuana high, about a day or so instead of a few hours.
 
2012-12-19 08:18:53 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: UsikFark: Why did this get bumped?


Why do you care?

Or, what has happened to you?


Nothing I know of. Why?
 
2012-12-19 08:19:01 PM  

hasty ambush: It is not anti-drug, It is anti-stupidity. I am not anti-legalization just anti-there is no harm and it will be some kind of economic windfall to solve all our problems BS.


You're welcome to prove to the thread that there is significant enough harm and that taxing it would NOT be beneficial. I know you can't, though.

As for insensitive welcome to Fark. What are you, some girl?

I'm sorry I was a dick. But your post more than implies that you think pot is for losers, and that no good has ever come from it. I guess I just don't care for that outdated narrowminded point of view.
 
Pav
2012-12-19 08:21:08 PM  

Legios: whidbey: hasty ambush: whidbey: hasty ambush: Pav: I have a friend who was the biggest stoner from about the 9th grade through the age of about 30. He currently makes millions of dollars a year by always being the smartest person in the room. I know many more who still smoke from those days who make 6 figure salaries and do just fine.

citation?

Fark off.

Well that was an eloquent, well reasoned, sober response.

I honestly can't imagine how such an insensitive loaded obviously anti-drug attitude should be otherwise addressed.

You had no business asking it.

And in some other people it it can increase the risk for developing psychotic symptoms and schizophreniform disorder. That doesn't make it 'harmless' or me 'anti-drug'.


And what exactly would you like me to cite? I don't have any need to lie to people on chat boards. I assure you what I have said is true and if you don't believe me I don't really care. I know many many pot heads and in general most of them are doing better then most people I know who are anti. That being said my friend who makes millions only smokes on special occasions now because he is too busy. however it did nothing to hamper his intelligence.
 
2012-12-19 08:21:21 PM  

Legios: whidbey: Legios: You had no business asking it.

And in some other people it it can increase the risk for developing psychotic symptoms and schizophreniform disorder. That doesn't make it 'harmless' or me 'anti-drug'.

I seriously doubt you're going to find much evidence supporting that statement. Not pertaining to adults, anyway.

O RLY?
Based on a general population cohort from New Zealand (N = 1011), the Diagnostic and statistical Manual for Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition, criteria for cannabis dependency was used to identify cannabis-dependent participants at age 18 and 21 years. Self-reported rates of psychotic symptoms were significantly higher for those who were dependent compared with those who were not cannabis dependent at age 18 and 21 years.


YA rly. I am more than familiar with that information. I'm also familiar that people who are predisposed to mental illness start showing symptoms around that age.
 
2012-12-19 08:23:10 PM  

Pav: And what exactly would you like me to cite? I don't have any need to lie to people on chat boards. I assure you what I have said is true and if you don't believe me I don't really care. I know many many pot heads and in general most of them are doing better then most people I know who are anti. That being said my friend who makes millions only smokes on special occasions now because he is too busy. however it did nothing to hamper his intelligence.


I myself have problems with anecdotal evidence.

But it's noteworthy to mention that people who are successful (outside of the entertainment industry) aren't going to brag publicly about how much pot they smoke on or off the job.

That said, I'd love to see a study or survey.
 
2012-12-19 08:23:23 PM  

hasty ambush: whidbey: hasty ambush: whidbey: hasty ambush: Pav: I have a friend who was the biggest stoner from about the 9th grade through the age of about 30. He currently makes millions of dollars a year by always being the smartest person in the room. I know many more who still smoke from those days who make 6 figure salaries and do just fine.

citation?

Fark off.

Well that was an eloquent, well reasoned, sober response.

I honestly can't imagine how such an insensitive loaded obviously anti-drug attitude should be otherwise addressed.

You had no business asking it.

Don't make claims you can't back up. I know a man who makes millions bidding on abandon storage lockers in Somalia and his great great grandfather develped a funcitonal practical flying machine years before the Wright brothers but it was supressed by the railraoid interests.

It is not anti-drug, It is anti-stupidity. I am not anti-legalization just anti-there is no harm and it will be some kind of economic windfall to solve all our problems BS.

As for insensitive welcome to Fark. What are you, some girl?


Keep digging that hole. To be fair, you come off sounding like an asshole. Pot and success are not mutually exclusive.
 
2012-12-19 08:24:57 PM  

UsikFark: CapeFearCadaver: UsikFark: Why did this get bumped?


Why do you care?

Or, what has happened to you?

Nothing I know of. Why?



Just farking with you...
 
2012-12-19 08:28:38 PM  

pxlboy: Keep digging that hole. To be fair, you come off sounding like an asshole. Pot and success are not mutually exclusive.


If they were, why have 3/3 of the past presidents smoked pot?

/granted only 2/3 could be said to be "successful."
 
2012-12-19 08:29:23 PM  
Well tokers of Washington and Colorado, the bad news is that the Federal government is NOT going to back off on the weed ban.
 
The good news is that they're currently preoccupied with banning guns, so that may buy you some time.
 
 
/Smoke 'em if ya got 'em
 
2012-12-19 08:29:37 PM  

scottydoesntknow: whidbey: Well, subby, apparently people think marijuana is "dangerous" enough that they freaked out about a bunch of kids bringing pot brownies to school in Colorado and not telling anyone about it.

That's not fair though. That's like someone spiking a punch and not telling anyone about it. It's still a mind altering drug, and not actually knowing that your mind is about to be altered can seriously fark with a person.
 
Even though there's no chance of dying from it, if I had never partaken in the devil's plant, and didn't know I was partaking, I would probably freak out my first time too.



Even haven partaken of the plant myself, if I was fed a dose of it without knowing what I was eating, I'd freak out too.  What those kids did was messed up any way you slice it.
 
2012-12-19 08:31:13 PM  

Amos Quito: Well tokers of Washington and Colorado, the bad news is that the Federal government is NOT going to back off on the weed ban.


hurr

The good news is that they're currently preoccupied with banning guns, so that may buy you some time.

durr
 
2012-12-19 08:31:17 PM  
Weed should be legal, and there are certainly legal drugs which are more dangerous (alcohol and tobacco namely), but it's always amusing to me to hear stoners laud pot as some miracle substance with zero adverse effects.

It's one of the reasons I only occasional listen to Rogan's podcast. Dude, you like weed, great, but you sound like some burnt out hippie trying to convince people that it's a drug, a food, a textile, a medication, and a portal to interdimensional planes.
 
2012-12-19 08:31:48 PM  

Legios: And in some other people it it can increase the risk for developing psychotic symptoms and schizophreniform disorder. That doesn't make it 'harmless' or me 'anti-drug'.



Uh, no.  It can increase the odds that they start having episodes, but the disorder needs to have been there in the first place
 
2012-12-19 08:34:20 PM  

OgreMagi: That's easy enough to fix.
 
"Look at your parents.  They smoked a lot of pot when they were your age."
"OH SHIAT! I'm never touching pot again."


Heh, that might actually work.
 
Pav
2012-12-19 08:34:45 PM  

whidbey: Pav: And what exactly would you like me to cite? I don't have any need to lie to people on chat boards. I assure you what I have said is true and if you don't believe me I don't really care. I know many many pot heads and in general most of them are doing better then most people I know who are anti. That being said my friend who makes millions only smokes on special occasions now because he is too busy. however it did nothing to hamper his intelligence.

I myself have problems with anecdotal evidence.

But it's noteworthy to mention that people who are successful (outside of the entertainment industry) aren't going to brag publicly about how much pot they smoke on or off the job.

That said, I'd love to see a study or survey.


I'm not having an argument with anyone and I'm not trying to prove anything to anyone. I offer my insight for those who do not share my life experience on this subject. If you choose to disregard my post as anecdotal be my guest. No skin off my back.
 
2012-12-19 08:36:17 PM  

Kazan: Weaver95: We are increasingly concerned that regular or daily use of marijuana is robbing many young people of their potential to achieve and excel in school or other aspects of life," said Dr. Nora D. Volkow, director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse, which is part of NIH. 
 
Translation - f*cking NORML, we need to outlaw those sons of biatches!  how DARE they go around telling kids the truth!  we have to scare 'em while they're young or they'll never listen to our bullshiat ever again!


yeah.. because you're really able to learn when drunk/stoned.  


Depends on the person. Weed helped me focus when i was studying. If i didn't have any, i was all over the place...
 
2012-12-19 08:37:24 PM  

basemetal: They're upset because they are afraid the stoner kids never amount to anything and end up living in their basements forever while littering the place with cheeto dust and 2L mt dew bottles.

 
 
yeah... we all know stoners never amount to anything...
 
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