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2012-12-19 06:16:36 PM
Based on this report how do you think Nixon will do in the upcoming 1972 election. OLD news how does this skip from one generation to the next ?
 
2012-12-19 06:19:05 PM

taurusowner: I don't know if it's just correlation or causation. I've never met someone who regularly smoked weed who wasn't a total idiot. I'm not decisively saying that the weed made them an idiot, but that the two seem to go hand in hand somehow.


I don't know about regularly (I know a lot of people that smoke the textbook definition of "regularly" that are smarter and more motivated than you, me and everyone in this thread; It's embarrassing sometimes), but I've seen the same with people that wake and bake, then stay stoned all or most of the day. To be fair they aren't, never were, and never would have been mental giants even when you remove weed from the equation and have nearly the same, if not identical, problems as alcoholics.
 
2012-12-19 06:19:42 PM

Neondistraction: Surool: It is exactly as dangerous as alcohol. Most people have known this for a long time.

Not really. When was the last time someone overdosed on pot? People die from alcohol poisoning all the time, but not once in all of recorded human history has anyone died from marijuana, it's simply not toxic enough.



Well, there's driving while high.  I rarely smoke pot, but the times I have... no way should I have been behind the wheel (and I wasn't).
 
2012-12-19 06:22:14 PM

JPSimonetti: Neondistraction: Like all those studies that found a link between marijuana use and cancer? Oh wait, they all found no increased rates of cancer compared to non-smokers, even amongst the heaviest of smokers.

 
"The study, published Wednesday by the British Lung Foundation, found that a cannabis cigarette is 20 times more likely to cause cancer than a tobacco cigarette."
 
 
Damn those brits and their bias and bills paid for by the US government.
 
Who said it's just the US government doing it?
 
Mainstream Media Peddle Tired Cannabis Cancer Myth 
 
Stick that in your pipe and smoke it
 
2012-12-19 06:23:16 PM
Been smoking it for 40 years and have yet to suffer any setbacks. Took an IQ test 2 years ago and scored a 118.
My state just legalized it. It appears my protests over the years were not in vain.
 
2012-12-19 06:24:08 PM

MooseUpNorth: What I know about marijuana could fit in one of those really small baggies (alongside what I know about Gangnam Style, Justin Bieber, and dubstep.) Serious question in need of a serious and reliable answer: Is there a small minority of people who are at some risk of a psychotic episode when on marijuana or is that just FUD from the abstinence-only crowd?


It can exacerbate a number of pre-existing mental health issues like bipolar disorder. That's not propaganda.
 
2012-12-19 06:24:52 PM

taurusowner: I don't know if it's just correlation or causation. I've never met someone who regularly smoked weed who wasn't a total idiot. I'm not decisively saying that the weed made them an idiot, but that the two seem to go hand in hand somehow.



You're a cop. The intelligent smokers are upscale professionals and know how to avoid you.
 

MooseUpNorth: What I know about marijuana could fit in one of those really small baggies (alongside what I know about Gangnam Style, Justin Bieber, and dubstep.) Serious question in need of a serious and reliable answer: Is there a small minority of people who are at some risk of a psychotic episode when on marijuana or is that just FUD from the abstinence-only crowd?



1% maybe, but some people become paranoid if they smoke too much or it's too high grade for them.
 
2012-12-19 06:25:32 PM
To be fair, it CAN be dangerous to some people
Epigenetic Mediation of Environmental Influences in Major Psychotic Disorders

To save you all the long read:
"Over recent years, evidence from epidemiological studies and meta-analyses has established cannabis as a clear risk factor for later psychotic symptoms or psychotic disorder. Interestingly, the age (or developmental stage) at which individuals start using cannabis influences this association. Further evidence suggests that cannabis use is also associated with a decreased age of onset of psychotic disorder and that gene-environment interactions are likely implicated in the association between cannabis and psychosis."
 
2012-12-19 06:25:34 PM

MooseUpNorth: What I know about marijuana could fit in one of those really small baggies (alongside what I know about Gangnam Style, Justin Bieber, and dubstep.) Serious question in need of a serious and reliable answer: Is there a small minority of people who are at some risk of a psychotic episode when on marijuana or is that just FUD from the abstinence-only crowd?


I'm going with FUD. I'm no neurologist, but the only way that a normal, healthy person going to have a psychotic break that I can think of is if it's laced with something. As far as I understand it, THC simply doesn't interact with the brain like that so there's got to be some severely screwy (and thus incredibly rare) wiring going on.
 
2012-12-19 06:25:34 PM

Surool: It is exactly as dangerous as alcohol. Most people have known this for a long time.


0/10
 
2012-12-19 06:25:41 PM

Surool: Neondistraction: Surool: It is exactly as dangerous as alcohol. Most people have known this for a long time.

Not really. When was the last time someone overdosed on pot? People die from alcohol poisoning all the time, but not once in all of recorded human history has anyone died from marijuana, it's simply not toxic enough.

The particulates and junk in your lungs can still give you emphysema. I've never been against pot, but I have never been so dumb as to ignore the downsides.


It can give you emphysema, if you smoke it (which you don't have to, there are other methods) and even then studies have shown an increased risk only in people who have a genetic history of emphysema to begin with.

Alcohol will slowly kill your liver, along with other organs and vital functions. Alcohol is also one of the few drugs that withdrawl from can actually be fatal.

Either is relatively safe if used in moderation, but my point is that claiming marijuana is as dangerous as alcohol is absurd.
 
2012-12-19 06:26:08 PM

Jizz Master Zero: MooseUpNorth: What I know about marijuana could fit in one of those really small baggies (alongside what I know about Gangnam Style, Justin Bieber, and dubstep.) Serious question in need of a serious and reliable answer: Is there a small minority of people who are at some risk of a psychotic episode when on marijuana or is that just FUD from the abstinence-only crowd?

I'm going with FUD. I'm no neurologist, but the only way that a normal, healthy person going to have a psychotic break that I can think of is if it's laced with something. As far as I understand it, THC simply doesn't interact with the brain like that so there's got to be some severely screwy (and thus incredibly rare) wiring going on.


lol.. see my post above yours...
 
2012-12-19 06:28:15 PM

taurusowner: I don't know if it's just correlation or causation. I've never met someone who regularly smoked weed who wasn't a total idiot. I'm not decisively saying that the weed made them an idiot, but that the two seem to go hand in hand somehow.


Maybe not idiot as much as a lack of common sense. Regardless of your belief in harmful effects or lack thereof it is/was illegal and I have seen otherwise well educated. allegedly intelligent, people risking careers, family etc to inhale fumes from burning vegetation.
 
2012-12-19 06:29:14 PM

MooseUpNorth: Serious question in need of a serious and reliable answer: Is there a small minority of people who are at some risk of a psychotic episode when on marijuana or is that just FUD from the abstinence-only crowd?


It can trigger psychotic episodes in people that are already prone to them, but it's not going to cause an otherwise normal person to flip their shiat. Unless you're an idiot and eat a whole tray of hash cakes at once.
 
2012-12-19 06:31:24 PM

AbbeySomeone: You're a cop. The intelligent smokers are upscale professionals and know how to avoid you.



I have multiple cop friends who smoke; they also have a set testing date, but... well, yeah.
 
2012-12-19 06:31:59 PM
Uranus Is Huge!
As someone who recently figured out how to make my own MJ e-cig cartridges (removing the most harmful element - smoke), I'm getting a kick...

Newsletter, subscribe, etc.
 
2012-12-19 06:32:56 PM
Ah, great. I appreciate the info, everyone.

/ Every now and again one of my students asks me a stumper about things they shouldn't even have heard of, let alone actually be doing, and I'd rather have accurate info/advice for them.
// Like the 8th grader who asked me if anal can cause pregnancy. (It was a serious question, so I answered her seriously.)
 
2012-12-19 06:33:03 PM

hasty ambush: taurusowner: I don't know if it's just correlation or causation. I've never met someone who regularly smoked weed who wasn't a total idiot. I'm not decisively saying that the weed made them an idiot, but that the two seem to go hand in hand somehow.

Maybe not idiot as much as a lack of common sense. Regardless of your belief in harmful effects or lack thereof it is/was illegal and I have seen otherwise well educated. allegedly intelligent, people risking careers, family etc to inhale fumes from burning vegetation.


I've also seen intelligent people engage in dangerous/risky/criminal behavior after ingesting liquid made from fermented, distilled grain. Others have spent thousands of dollars for nothing more than fermented crushed grapes.

The Mona Lisa is nothing but a piece of dead tree with chemical pigments arranged in an interesting fashion.
 
2012-12-19 06:33:51 PM

hasty ambush: Regardless of your belief in harmful effects or lack thereof it is/was illegal and I have seen otherwise well educated. allegedly intelligent, people risking careers, family etc to inhale fumes from burning vegetation.


OBEY!

/Apparently only morans don't OBEY!
 
2012-12-19 06:34:47 PM

Legios: Jizz Master Zero: MooseUpNorth: What I know about marijuana could fit in one of those really small baggies (alongside what I know about Gangnam Style, Justin Bieber, and dubstep.) Serious question in need of a serious and reliable answer: Is there a small minority of people who are at some risk of a psychotic episode when on marijuana or is that just FUD from the abstinence-only crowd?

I'm going with FUD. I'm no neurologist, but the only way that a normal, healthy person going to have a psychotic break that I can think of is if it's laced with something. As far as I understand it, THC simply doesn't interact with the brain like that so there's got to be some severely screwy (and thus incredibly rare) wiring going on.

lol.. see my post above yours...


Dammit man, post quicker!

More or less what I suspected.
 
2012-12-19 06:38:23 PM
35 years daily smoker here.
The only danger I've encountered is getting caught with it.
 
2012-12-19 06:39:27 PM

MooseUpNorth: Ah, great. I appreciate the info, everyone.

/ Every now and again one of my students asks me a stumper about things they shouldn't even have heard of, let alone actually be doing, and I'd rather have accurate info/advice for them.
// Like the 8th grader who asked me if anal can cause pregnancy. (It was a serious question, so I answered her seriously.)


What was your answer?

"Only if the other guy pulls out in time"
 
2012-12-19 06:39:37 PM
The beginning of the end of prohibition started last month. It's over. You lost, all you farkhead war junkies. Time for some sanity for a change. Time for the age of enlightenment to begin. Toke up!
 
2012-12-19 06:41:33 PM

Barbecue Bob: 35 years daily smoker here.
The only danger I've encountered is getting caught with it.


The important thing to note is by reading some comments in this thread we all know you have a low IQ and you lack common sense.


Nice to meet you ya moran! :)
 
2012-12-19 06:44:50 PM

NkThrasher: Cer


glad to be of service sir.
 
2012-12-19 06:49:59 PM

Hale-Bopp: The beginning of the end of prohibition started last month. It's over. You lost, all you farkhead war junkies. Time for some sanity for a change. Time for the age of enlightenment to begin. Toke up!


calm down ya friggen hippy.. the war aint over yet. medical as been legal virginia since 1977 but only for glaucoma and certain forms of cancer, the docs just have never had a legal way to prescribe it.

and any where were blanket medical has been legalized, you get doc shops opening up in blatant head shops and "dispensaries" opening up like payday loan joints in the hood.. you still got a long way to go.
 
2012-12-19 06:53:36 PM
Government funded anti-drug bozos find out that their future funding is threatned by legal weed, go into full panic mode to make sure we KNOW just how dangerous that evil, evil Mary-Jane is.

When the simple fact is this:

1. Kids should not use any drugs, including cigs and booze.

2. Adults are free to do so.

But the loss of funding...so sad for them, boo hoo.

You told us for years: "If you don't like the law CHANGE IT!" Well, we did, at least in two states, so get over yourselves already. More people die every hour in cell phone related accidents than die annualy of marijuana overdoses...
 
2012-12-19 06:54:47 PM

sharpie_69: Barbecue Bob: 35 years daily smoker here.
The only danger I've encountered is getting caught with it.

The important thing to note is by reading some comments in this thread we all know you have a low IQ and you lack common sense.


Nice to meet you ya moran! :)


I was going to post a photo with the "Get a Brain Morans!" guy.
However, apon hunting for said photo, I found this one and it was far more interesting.
Enjoy;
img3.celebscentral.net
 
2012-12-19 07:01:44 PM
I honestly wish I had drank a LOT less in college. Should have smoked herb more and drank less. Being stupid drunk is no way to go through college. Unfortunately consequences for smoking herb on campus were much higher than drinking so drinking culture prevailed.
 
2012-12-19 07:10:42 PM

Why Would I Read the Article: jj325: I was a teen in the 70's. We didn't believe weed was dangerous then

But did you "know," or did you just suspect that because you enjoyed doing it? I was born in 1980, and the first time I ever saw weed was in 1992, when some older kids had it in the 7-11 parking lot. My parents were paranoid nutjobs, so my first thought at that time was these kids were about to go screaming around the street complaining of bugs all over themselves, all while acting super super drunk (I was not a very bright kid). My feelings were a product of both whatever nonsense was taught to me in health class, and the fact that my parents just plain sucked (though they did love me very much, they just sucked at parenting).

I didn't realize until college (1998) that there were basically no harmful side effects from weed, so long as you didn't try to drive or operate heavy machinery.

Ain't America grand?



Sounds familiar.
 
2012-12-19 07:10:58 PM
SEE??!! THIS is what happens when you let children onto the internet. They learn that everyone has been is blowing smoke up their ass. For their part, they generally resent this and start doing things like telling you to piss off with your lies and propaganda.

Then they start to question other things that they have been told...
 
2012-12-19 07:11:27 PM

amquelbettamin: I honestly wish I had drank a LOT less in college. Should have smoked herb more and drank less. Being stupid drunk is no way to go through college. Unfortunately consequences for smoking herb on campus were much higher than drinking so drinking culture prevailed.



I had the best dorm room freshman year of college. On the second floor, and the only room with direct window access to a brick rooftop above the entrance to the dorms. The wall bricks were just high enough that you could set a couple chairs up there and no one at ground level would ever see you. My roommate and I set up a couple fold-away chairs and a magnetic chess set on a little table. Anytime we were bored we'd go out, toke up, and play a few games. I think I got to the point where I played better after smoking. My mind stopped racing and I could focus on just the game.
 
2012-12-19 07:12:31 PM
It sure would be nice to live in a country where only the opinions of reasonable, mature, and just people were purveyed to the masses.
 
2012-12-19 07:14:32 PM

Barbecue Bob:
I was going to post a photo with the "Get a Brain Morans!" guy.
However, apon hunting for said photo, I found this one and it was far more interesting.
Enjoy;
[img3.celebscentral.net image 610x915]

-=-
Yeah Buddy!

Um, what were we talking about?
Oh yeah.
Parents? More like Grandparents or Great Grandparents. You know, the "Reefer Madness" generations parents.
Are they still alive?
 
2012-12-19 07:14:34 PM
Same parents who bundle up their children with four layers of clothes, and stand in the window watching as the kid just walks across the street in late October.

x2d.xanga.com
CUT THE CORD ALREADY.
 
2012-12-19 07:16:51 PM

scottydoesntknow: amquelbettamin: I honestly wish I had drank a LOT less in college. Should have smoked herb more and drank less. Being stupid drunk is no way to go through college. Unfortunately consequences for smoking herb on campus were much higher than drinking so drinking culture prevailed.


I had the best dorm room freshman year of college. On the second floor, and the only room with direct window access to a brick rooftop above the entrance to the dorms. The wall bricks were just high enough that you could set a couple chairs up there and no one at ground level would ever see you. My roommate and I set up a couple fold-away chairs and a magnetic chess set on a little table. Anytime we were bored we'd go out, toke up, and play a few games. I think I got to the point where I played better after smoking. My mind stopped racing and I could focus on just the game.


Sounds lovely and civilized.

I bet you never thought it'd be fun to throw the chess pieces at people below, set the chair on fire, draw a dick on a sleeping person's face with a Sharpie, and then vomit on your friend's lap either...
 
2012-12-19 07:17:03 PM

scottydoesntknow: Teens upset that parents/the media/the government have been lying to them.
 
Be honest with your kid. It's not a very dangerous drug, but it's still a drug. Seriously, this talk should mimic the alcohol talk almost exactly.
 
My parents told me they understand they can't control what I do and don't do outside of the house, but they also warned me that any consequences that came from my actions I would be dealing with myself. If I'm old enough to decide to drink a beer while underage, I'm old enough to deal with those consequences if caught.



For real.
 
I mean, if people had been honest about pot from the beginning (I mean, from the 1960's), then we wouldn't be in this situation now. I'm of the generation that got told OMFG! POT WILL TURN YOUR BRAINS TO MUSH! BEFORE IT MAKES YOU USE HEROIN!! and not coincidentally, people of my age bracket are now in Washington and other seats of government, making legislation on pot. The other half are out running pot dispensaries, so probably we've got two more generations before everyone just calms the f*ck down about pot.
 
But we'd have gotten there a lot sooner if people had acknowledged 50 years ago that a) pot is a drug, and b) it's not a deadly drug, but c) it's still a drug.
 
2012-12-19 07:19:00 PM

Surool: It is exactly as dangerous as alcohol. Most people have known this for a long time.

 
We really need a "stupid" button.
 
2012-12-19 07:19:32 PM

Jizz Master Zero: taurusowner: I don't know if it's just correlation or causation. I've never met someone who regularly smoked weed who wasn't a total idiot. I'm not decisively saying that the weed made them an idiot, but that the two seem to go hand in hand somehow.

I don't know about regularly (I know a lot of people that smoke the textbook definition of "regularly" that are smarter and more motivated than you, me and everyone in this thread; It's embarrassing sometimes), but I've seen the same with people that wake and bake, then stay stoned all or most of the day. To be fair they aren't, never were, and never would have been mental giants even when you remove weed from the equation and have nearly the same, if not identical, problems as alcoholics.


This. I have known both types. Had a few colleagues at $MajorCompany that smoked on the regular and were regularly praised by management.
 
2012-12-19 07:21:46 PM

amquelbettamin: scottydoesntknow: amquelbettamin: I honestly wish I had drank a LOT less in college. Should have smoked herb more and drank less. Being stupid drunk is no way to go through college. Unfortunately consequences for smoking herb on campus were much higher than drinking so drinking culture prevailed.


I had the best dorm room freshman year of college. On the second floor, and the only room with direct window access to a brick rooftop above the entrance to the dorms. The wall bricks were just high enough that you could set a couple chairs up there and no one at ground level would ever see you. My roommate and I set up a couple fold-away chairs and a magnetic chess set on a little table. Anytime we were bored we'd go out, toke up, and play a few games. I think I got to the point where I played better after smoking. My mind stopped racing and I could focus on just the game.

Sounds lovely and civilized.

I bet you never thought it'd be fun to throw the chess pieces at people below, set the chair on fire, draw a dick on a sleeping person's face with a Sharpie, and then vomit on your friend's lap either...


Nah I did vomit on the back of a really hot girl's head one time though. That was fun.
 
/If your friend says he has the flu and doesn't want to go to the bars, don't make him go to the bars
//And don't proceed to make him do shots to impress the hot girls, because he might end up puking on her
 
2012-12-19 07:22:58 PM
i believe it's harmful. kiss me MILF??
 
2012-12-19 07:24:01 PM

JPSimonetti: Damn those brits and their bias and bills paid for by the US government.


Fine study, but it's weird how none of them can find an actual case of someone getting lung cancer strictly from weed. All we get are "risks" but no actual cancer.
 
2012-12-19 07:25:53 PM
Why did this get bumped?
 
2012-12-19 07:26:08 PM

sharpie_69: hasty ambush: Regardless of your belief in harmful effects or lack thereof it is/was illegal and I have seen otherwise well educated. allegedly intelligent, people risking careers, family etc to inhale fumes from burning vegetation.

OBEY!

/Apparently only morans don't OBEY!


Only morans fail to weigh the risks with the rewards. The individual lighting up in search of buzz and getting popped on a drug test is hardly a sticking it the man, refusing to sit at the back of the bus, Lexington, Concord, Gonzales (come and take it) moment. What have the stoners gained for their destroyed careers, families and drug convictions? The right to vote? The right to keep and bear arms? The right to inhale smoke from burning vegetation?

They will still be just stoners and the negative connotation that implies.
 
2012-12-19 07:27:17 PM

UsikFark: Why did this get bumped?



You noticed that too? Thought I was high or something...
 
2012-12-19 07:27:55 PM

scottydoesntknow: UsikFark: Why did this get bumped?


You noticed that too? Thought I was high or something...


Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude...
 
2012-12-19 07:28:31 PM
Headline didn't really need the second sentence. Someone raise a fuss or something?
 
2012-12-19 07:29:06 PM

scottydoesntknow: UsikFark: Why did this get bumped?


You noticed that too? Thought I was high or something...



What happened, man?
 
2012-12-19 07:29:14 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: scottydoesntknow: UsikFark: Why did this get bumped?


You noticed that too? Thought I was high or something...

Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude...


I still don't know where your car is. Stop asking.
 
2012-12-19 07:31:17 PM
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