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2012-12-19 05:40:07 PM

jj325: I was a teen in the 70's. We didn't believe weed was dangerous then


But did you "know," or did you just suspect that because you enjoyed doing it? I was born in 1980, and the first time I ever saw weed was in 1992, when some older kids had it in the 7-11 parking lot. My parents were paranoid nutjobs, so my first thought at that time was these kids were about to go screaming around the street complaining of bugs all over themselves, all while acting super super drunk (I was not a very bright kid). My feelings were a product of both whatever nonsense was taught to me in health class, and the fact that my parents just plain sucked (though they did love me very much, they just sucked at parenting).

I didn't realize until college (1998) that there were basically no harmful side effects from weed, so long as you didn't try to drive or operate heavy machinery.

Ain't America grand?
 
2012-12-19 05:40:59 PM

tricycleracer: This means less future income for the alcoholic beverage industry and, with the way laws are heading, less future income for the private prison industry. We can't have that.



Bullshiat. I love both equally and if my State were to legalize I'd still spend the same amount of money for both.
 
/depending if prices remain the same if it were to be legalized here
//just spent $55 on beer today
 
2012-12-19 05:41:12 PM
I don't know if it's just correlation or causation. I've never met someone who regularly smoked weed who wasn't a total idiot. I'm not decisively saying that the weed made them an idiot, but that the two seem to go hand in hand somehow.
 
2012-12-19 05:42:34 PM

OgreMagi: That's easy enough to fix.
 
"Look at your parents.  They smoked a lot of pot when they were your age."
"OH SHIAT! I'm never touching pot again."



Yeah, but mom an dad smoked leaves and stems. We feed that crap to the deer.
 
2012-12-19 05:42:58 PM

Hector Remarkable: Well, it can be. Honestly, it can depend on the person, setting, strength, and oh about a million other factors. It's not coffee. No, not nearly as cruel as my Master, Caffeine. I will never be free of my liquid brunette slavery. I have tried. And tried. And tried. I don't dislike the java jive, but it doesn't like me. It owns me.


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Diet Mountain Dew allows me to live in denial of my caffeine addiction...the soda machine in my garage stocked with it however says I'm pretty much a caffeine junkie.
 
2012-12-19 05:43:37 PM

Cerebral Knievel: CapeFearCadaver: I LEARNED IT FROM YOU, DAD! ALRIGHT! I LEARNED IT BY WATCHING YOU!!!

thank you.. saved me the trouble.

:)



Heh heh. You know what though, as much of a teabagger asshole my father is, he still smokes good bud....
 
2012-12-19 05:44:19 PM

Jubeebee: -Use of illicit drugs other than marijuana was at a low for eighth-, 10th- and 12th-grade students.
-Reported alcohol use continued to steadily decline, falling to the lowest level on record.
 
 
So a use of a drug that is not particularly addictive nor particularly harmful is increasing, while use of more harmful, more addictive drugs is decreasing.
 
This is somehow a bad thing.


I partied a LOT when I was a teen.

More alcohol than cannabis, however, it was very clear back then which drug was "safer", and it isn't the drug that comes in a can or bottle, is advertised everywhere, and sold freely on the open market.

I have consumed too much alcohol resulting in: projectile vomiting, violent behavior resulting in personal and property damage, negative interactions with the law enforcement community, black outs, waking up in a pool of my own urine / vomit, alcohol poisoning / near death experiences.

I NEVER had those problems when I used cannabis. Ever.

I would MUCH rather have my kid use cannabis than alcohol for social purposes, as the physical and behavioral effects are far less dangerous than alcohol.
 
2012-12-19 05:44:29 PM

Nickninja: The real danger of pot (or alcohol, for that matter) is doing them a lot while too young. Don't fark with your brain chemistry while it's still developing or you're going to end up as a loser like all of those fear tactics say.

/Over 18...kindof ok
//Over 21, just fine


www.newmediaexplorer.org
 
2012-12-19 05:44:56 PM

taurusowner: I don't know if it's just correlation or causation. I've never met someone who regularly smoked weed who wasn't a total idiot. I'm not decisively saying that the weed made them an idiot, but that the two seem to go hand in hand somehow.



I've long suspected that you are a serious stoner.
 
2012-12-19 05:45:00 PM

hdhale: Hector Remarkable: Well, it can be. Honestly, it can depend on the person, setting, strength, and oh about a million other factors. It's not coffee. No, not nearly as cruel as my Master, Caffeine. I will never be free of my liquid brunette slavery. I have tried. And tried. And tried. I don't dislike the java jive, but it doesn't like me. It owns me.

 
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Diet Mountain Dew allows me to live in denial of my caffeine addiction...the soda machine in my garage stocked with it however says I'm pretty much a caffeine junkie.
 
 
If the soda machine is talking to you, you just might be a caffeine addict.
 
2012-12-19 05:45:27 PM
Far out man

/praise the Lord and pass the Funyuns
 
2012-12-19 05:46:43 PM
 
2012-12-19 05:46:44 PM

Day_Old_Dutchie: Jubeebee: -Use of illicit drugs other than marijuana was at a low for eighth-, 10th- and 12th-grade students.
-Reported alcohol use continued to steadily decline, falling to the lowest level on record.
 
 
So a use of a drug that is not particularly addictive nor particularly harmful is increasing, while use of more harmful, more addictive drugs is decreasing.
 
This is somehow a bad thing.


To your average dense-skulled conservative, yes it is.


It is bad, because if people don't feel bad, are not ashamed, are not embarrassed by their behavior then they will not turn to a Christian church for forgiveness. By allowing these retched minors to discover that sex feels good, pot and alcohol can make you feel good and not have them ashamed or criminally punished by their behavior then they will turn away from a Christian church. Then how are we going to control them? Hmmm... have you thought about that?
 
2012-12-19 05:47:56 PM

ozone: What, no spiffy spleefy tag?


fixed
 
2012-12-19 05:48:08 PM

scottydoesntknow:
 
My parents told me they understand they can't control what I do and don't do outside of the house, but they also warned me that any consequences that came from my actions I would be dealing with myself. If I'm old enough to decide to drink a beer while underage, I'm old enough to deal with those consequences if caught.


It's a shame that responsible parenting (or even teaching children about being responsible for themselves) has become more the exception than the rule.
 
2012-12-19 05:48:44 PM

taurusowner: I don't know if it's just correlation or causation. I've never met someone who regularly smoked weed who wasn't a total idiot. I'm not decisively saying that the weed made them an idiot, but that the two seem to go hand in hand somehow.



You have no idea how many people around you smoke, because the smart ones don't just go around showing people or telling them about it.
 
2012-12-19 05:49:30 PM

meathome: It's a shame that responsible parenting (or even teaching children about being responsible for themselves) has become more the exception than the rule.


Show some data to back up that assertion or else it's just the same generational bullshiat we've been hearing since language has been invented.
 
2012-12-19 05:50:36 PM
maybe, because... well, its not?
 
2012-12-19 05:51:05 PM
I just don't like people that say it's completely safe. A few people in this thread have implied that. It's not 100% safe. If you want to be constructive, supportive, and actually beneficial to the movement of having marijuana legalized, you need to admit that the tests and studies have been done by independent, unbiased groups and that marijuana is dangerous and under what circumstances that danger elevates. It's not a terrible drug, but there are risks as with any drug.

If you run around preaching that weed is harmless you just sound like an idiot and actually make everyone else involved in the movement look bad. Educate yourself before you open your mouth. Maybe then you'll have a better come-back in debates than claiming it's a government conspiracy telling everyone marijuana has risks.
 
2012-12-19 05:51:09 PM

OgreMagi: hdhale: Hector Remarkable: Well, it can be. Honestly, it can depend on the person, setting, strength, and oh about a million other factors. It's not coffee. No, not nearly as cruel as my Master, Caffeine. I will never be free of my liquid brunette slavery. I have tried. And tried. And tried. I don't dislike the java jive, but it doesn't like me. It owns me.
 
[media.tumblr.com image 133x188]
 
Diet Mountain Dew allows me to live in denial of my caffeine addiction...the soda machine in my garage stocked with it however says I'm pretty much a caffeine junkie.
 
 
If the soda machine is talking to you, you just might be a caffeine addict.


Also, watch out for tree-cops. TREE COPS!!
 
2012-12-19 05:51:18 PM

scottydoesntknow: You have no idea how many people around you smoke, because the smart ones don't just go around showing people or telling them about it.


Carl Sagan disagrees.
 
2012-12-19 05:52:20 PM
There was a 4 hour window in the early 80's right after Nancy Reagan's appearance on Diff'rent Strokes when I thought pot was dangerous.
 
2012-12-19 05:52:49 PM

taurusowner: I don't know if it's just correlation or causation. I've never met someone who regularly smoked weed who wasn't a total idiot. I'm not decisively saying that the weed made them an idiot, but that the two seem to go hand in hand somehow.



Hi. I'm CapeFearCadaver, nice to meet you.
 
2012-12-19 05:54:06 PM

taurusowner: I don't know if it's just correlation or causation. I've never met someone who regularly smoked weed who wasn't a total idiot. I'm not decisively saying that the weed made them an idiot, but that the two seem to go hand in hand somehow.


Ever played a video game or used a piece of software and been impressed? Stoners are responsible.
 
2012-12-19 05:54:56 PM

PonceAlyosha: scottydoesntknow: You have no idea how many people around you smoke, because the smart ones don't just go around showing people or telling them about it.

Carl Sagan disagrees.


So does Clinton, Obama, Michael Phelps, etc.
 
What I'm saying is the guys (or girls) in your office who are really smart and get everything done right probably won't tell people they smoke because they still need job security, and it's still an illegal substance.
 
2012-12-19 05:55:25 PM
Marijuana isn't dangerous. I can't think of a single instance where someone died from an overdose of marijuana, and, if anything, stoned people tend to be less violent and confrontational.
 
2012-12-19 05:55:32 PM
My parents knowingly told us NOT to do drugs while a funny smell came from their bedroom.
 
2012-12-19 05:55:36 PM

farkingismybusiness: It's a gateway drug.


Bad juju getting bombed like that
 
2012-12-19 05:57:12 PM

Uranus Is Huge!: taurusowner: I don't know if it's just correlation or causation. I've never met someone who regularly smoked weed who wasn't a total idiot. I'm not decisively saying that the weed made them an idiot, but that the two seem to go hand in hand somehow.

Ever played a video game or used a piece of software and been impressed? Stoners are responsible.


Ever learned any modern physics? Stoners are responsible. Same with most modern chemistry.
 
2012-12-19 05:58:13 PM

JPSimonetti: I just don't like people that say it's completely safe. A few people in this thread have implied that. It's not 100% safe. If you want to be constructive, supportive, and actually beneficial to the movement of having marijuana legalized, you need to admit that the tests and studies have been done by independent, unbiased groups and that marijuana is dangerous and under what circumstances that danger elevates. It's not a terrible drug, but there are risks as with any drug.

If you run around preaching that weed is harmless you just sound like an idiot and actually make everyone else involved in the movement look bad. Educate yourself before you open your mouth. Maybe then you'll have a better come-back in debates than claiming it's a government conspiracy telling everyone marijuana has risks.


Water consumed to excess is dangerous.

You are also however correct.
 
2012-12-19 05:58:58 PM

farkingismybusiness: It's a gateway drug.


Gateway drug eh?
 
2012-12-19 05:59:14 PM
<p><b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7494541/81397201#c81397201" target="_blank">scottydoesntknow</a>:</b> <i>taurusowner: I don't know if it's just correlation or causation. I've never met someone who regularly smoked weed who wasn't a total idiot. I'm not decisively saying that the weed made them an idiot, but that the two seem to go hand in hand somehow.<br />
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You have no idea how many people around you smoke, because the smart ones don't just go around showing people or telling them about it.</i><br />
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I bet more people around me drink and have worse outcomes short and long term from that drink. that being said, I am going to pop some lorazepam, hit the bottle and go cruising for chicks</p>
 
2012-12-19 05:59:58 PM

JPSimonetti: unbiased groups and that marijuana is dangerous and under what circumstances that danger elevates.


You mean the groups the Government secretly paid? Oh, those...

 
2012-12-19 06:02:14 PM

JPSimonetti: I just don't like people that say it's completely safe. A few people in this thread have implied that. It's not 100% safe. If you want to be constructive, supportive, and actually beneficial to the movement of having marijuana legalized, you need to admit that the tests and studies have been done by independent, unbiased groups and that marijuana is dangerous and under what circumstances that danger elevates. It's not a terrible drug, but there are risks as with any drug.

If you run around preaching that weed is harmless you just sound like an idiot and actually make everyone else involved in the movement look bad. Educate yourself before you open your mouth. Maybe then you'll have a better come-back in debates than claiming it's a government conspiracy telling everyone marijuana has risks.


Can you point to the post where someone said it was harmless or "completely safe"? I think I've seen you say that in another thread where no one said anything about it being "harmless". Less harmful than alcohol? Sure, but no one's said anything about it being completely safe.
 
2012-12-19 06:02:45 PM

JPSimonetti: you need to admit that the tests and studies have been done by independent, unbiased groups and that marijuana is dangerous and under what circumstances that danger elevates. It's not a terrible drug, but there are risks as with any drug.


Like all those studies that found a link between marijuana use and cancer? Oh wait, they all found no increased rates of cancer compared to non-smokers, even amongst the heaviest of smokers.
 
2012-12-19 06:03:08 PM
It is exactly as dangerous as alcohol. Most people have known this for a long time.
 
2012-12-19 06:04:56 PM

taurusowner: I don't know if it's just correlation or causation. I've never met someone who regularly smoked weed who wasn't a total idiot. I'm not decisively saying that the weed made them an idiot, but that the two seem to go hand in hand somehow.



Nice to meet you.  I smoke weed every day and am a successful small business owner whose company handles the finances of multi-million dollar corporations.  Now tell me a little about yourself...
 
2012-12-19 06:05:33 PM
As someone who recently figured out how to make my own MJ e-cig cartridges (removing the most harmful element - smoke), I'm getting a kick...
 
2012-12-19 06:07:25 PM

Surool: It is exactly as dangerous as alcohol. Most people have known this for a long time.


Not really. When was the last time someone overdosed on pot? People die from alcohol poisoning all the time, but not once in all of recorded human history has anyone died from marijuana, it's simply not toxic enough.
 
2012-12-19 06:07:52 PM

namatad: <p><b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7494541/81397201#c81397201" target="_blank">scottydoesntknow</a>:</b> <i>taurusowner: I don't know if it's just correlation or causation. I've never met someone who regularly smoked weed who wasn't a total idiot. I'm not decisively saying that the weed made them an idiot, but that the two seem to go hand in hand somehow.<br />
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You have no idea how many people around you smoke, because the smart ones don't just go around showing people or telling them about it.</i><br />
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I bet more people around me drink and have worse outcomes short and long term from that drink. that being said, I am going to pop some lorazepam, hit the bottle and go cruising for chicks</p>


Know how I know you're farking stoned?
 
2012-12-19 06:09:20 PM

scottydoesntknow: Be honest with your kid. It's not a very dangerous drug, but it's still a drug. Seriously, this talk should mimic the alcohol talk almost exactly.



And (in most places) illegal.  So don't ever smoke it or have it on you if there's any chance of getting caught.  And don't buy any from anyone but a very trusted friend.
 
2012-12-19 06:10:19 PM

Cerebral Knievel: NkThrasher: ...Wait, which teenagers believed that it was dangerous* still?


* as in 'any more dangerous than alcohol'

bible thumping derpers that had no fun growing up. the same people that belive that Jesus's first miracle was turning water into welches grape drink.


Aah, Flanders. Gotcha.
 
2012-12-19 06:10:36 PM
"I believe sucking cigarette smoke into your lungs will kill you."

thesimplestream.com
 
2012-12-19 06:10:57 PM

taurusowner: I don't know if it's just correlation or causation. I've never met someone who regularly smoked weed who wasn't a total idiot. I'm not decisively saying that the weed made them an idiot, but that the two seem to go hand in hand somehow.



Well, now you've me one more
 
2012-12-19 06:11:22 PM

Neondistraction: Surool: It is exactly as dangerous as alcohol. Most people have known this for a long time.

Not really. When was the last time someone overdosed on pot? People die from alcohol poisoning all the time, but not once in all of recorded human history has anyone died from marijuana, it's simply not toxic enough.


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2012-12-19 06:12:16 PM

Neondistraction: Surool: It is exactly as dangerous as alcohol. Most people have known this for a long time.

Not really. When was the last time someone overdosed on pot? People die from alcohol poisoning all the time, but not once in all of recorded human history has anyone died from marijuana, it's simply not toxic enough.


The particulates and junk in your lungs can still give you emphysema. I've never been against pot, but I have never been so dumb as to ignore the downsides.
 
2012-12-19 06:13:21 PM
i.imgur.com

Give it up already, prudes. Haven't enough people been thrown in jail because of your warped morality? Either way, you're losing. Ha.
 
2012-12-19 06:13:25 PM

Neondistraction: Like all those studies that found a link between marijuana use and cancer? Oh wait, they all found no increased rates of cancer compared to non-smokers, even amongst the heaviest of smokers.

"The study, published Wednesday by the British Lung Foundation, found that a cannabis cigarette is 20 times more likely to cause cancer than a tobacco cigarette."


Damn those brits and their bias and bills paid for by the US government.
 
2012-12-19 06:14:33 PM

Surool: The particulates and junk in your lungs can still give you emphysema. I've never been against pot, but I have never been so dumb as to ignore the downsides.


If only there were a way to use pot without those particulates and "junk" ending up in your lungs... 

/Oh!
 
2012-12-19 06:16:08 PM
What I know about marijuana could fit in one of those really small baggies (alongside what I know about Gangnam Style, Justin Bieber, and dubstep.) Serious question in need of a serious and reliable answer: Is there a small minority of people who are at some risk of a psychotic episode when on marijuana or is that just FUD from the abstinence-only crowd?
 
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