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(New Jersey 101.5)   Parents upset that teens no longer believe marijuana is dangerous. Still unclear if today's Gen X parents ever believed it themselves   (nj1015.com) divider line 297
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2012-12-19 02:25:50 PM  
...said Mom & Dad as they finished their gin &tonic and scotch respectively...
 
2012-12-19 02:27:59 PM  
Teens no longer believed marijuana was dangerous when I was a teenager
 
/and that was... a while ago
 
2012-12-19 02:29:26 PM  
They're upset because they are afraid the stoner kids never amount to anything and end up living in their basements forever while littering the place with cheeto dust and 2L mt dew bottles.
 
2012-12-19 02:30:56 PM  
Teens upset that parents/the media/the government have been lying to them.
 
Be honest with your kid. It's not a very dangerous drug, but it's still a drug. Seriously, this talk should mimic the alcohol talk almost exactly.
 
My parents told me they understand they can't control what I do and don't do outside of the house, but they also warned me that any consequences that came from my actions I would be dealing with myself. If I'm old enough to decide to drink a beer while underage, I'm old enough to deal with those consequences if caught.
 
2012-12-19 02:32:31 PM  

gopher321: ...said Mom & Dad as they finished their gin &tonic and scotch respectively...



Don't forget the prescription pills like Prozac to treat the anxiety of talking to your kids about drugs (or gays).
 
2012-12-19 02:48:21 PM  

scottydoesntknow: gopher321: ...said Mom & Dad as they finished their gin &tonic and scotch respectively...


Don't forget the prescription pills like Prozac to treat the anxiety of talking to your kids about drugs (or gays).



And right after they slip little jimmy some amphetamines for his "ADD".
 
2012-12-19 02:50:21 PM  
Parents upset that teens no longer believe marijuana is dangerous and that they learned it by watching them
 
Fixed
 
2012-12-19 02:53:27 PM  
I still have a problem with the government telling anyone what they can or cannot do as long as they don't infringe upon others freedom.
 
2012-12-19 02:54:03 PM  
Don't lie to your kids about drugs and alcohol. They'll use that against you when they rebel. I've openly talked to my kids about why people would want to use them and what would drive someone to try keep using. School teaches doom and gloom and horrible things. But let's be honest: if you tell a kid 'don't do that' then when they get angry or rebellious they are going to do it. 
 
2012-12-19 02:54:09 PM  
Marijuana killed my father and raped my mother!
 
2012-12-19 02:57:48 PM  

Sybarite: Marijuana killed my father and raped my mother!

 
 
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-12-19 03:02:32 PM  
I certainly wouldn't encourage kids to smoke pot OR drink...because they're probably not responsible enough to handle either.  But overall, pot IMHO is less harmful than alcohol.
 
2012-12-19 03:03:59 PM  
I LEARNED IT FROM YOU, DAD! ALRIGHT! I LEARNED IT BY WATCHING YOU!!!
 
2012-12-19 03:04:42 PM  

DanZero: Fixed



poop.
 
2012-12-19 03:06:53 PM  
She cited recently published research showing that people who used marijuana heavily before age 18 had impaired mental abilities even after they quit using the drug. Those who used cannabis heavily in their teens and into their adulthood showed a significant drop in IQ between the ages of 13 and 38, according to the studies. 
 
So, she's saying if you're going to wake and bake, then keep smoking all day, there may be problems? To the RomeroCopter!
 
2012-12-19 03:12:45 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: I LEARNED IT FROM YOU, DAD! ALRIGHT! I LEARNED IT BY WATCHING YOU!!!

 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9REbhaXHP4&feature=youtu.be
 
The parody of the anti-drug PSA.  
 
2012-12-19 03:14:42 PM  

oh_please: She cited recently published research showing that people who used marijuana heavily before age 18 had impaired mental abilities even after they quit using the drug. Those who used cannabis heavily in their teens and into their adulthood showed a significant drop in IQ between the ages of 13 and 38, according to the studies. 
 
So, she's saying if you're going to wake and bake, then keep smoking all day, there may be problems? To the RomeroCopter!


To be fair, if your day consists of watching Spongebob Squarepants reruns and eating cheetos, your IQ will drop regardless of how much weed you smoke.
 
2012-12-19 03:17:59 PM  

basemetal: They're upset because they are afraid the stoner kids never amount to anything and end up living in their basements forever while littering the place with cheeto dust and 2L mt dew bottles.


Yeah. Like the kid who shot up the school
Any substance which makes kids more paranoid can't be good
 
2012-12-19 03:29:59 PM  
-Use of illicit drugs other than marijuana was at a low for eighth-, 10th- and 12th-grade students.
-Reported alcohol use continued to steadily decline, falling to the lowest level on record.
 

 
So a use of a drug that is not particularly addictive nor particularly harmful is increasing, while use of more harmful, more addictive drugs is decreasing.
 
This is somehow a bad thing.
 
2012-12-19 03:41:31 PM  

Jubeebee: -Use of illicit drugs other than marijuana was at a low for eighth-, 10th- and 12th-grade students.
-Reported alcohol use continued to steadily decline, falling to the lowest level on record.
 
 
So a use of a drug that is not particularly addictive nor particularly harmful is increasing, while use of more harmful, more addictive drugs is decreasing.
 
This is somehow a bad thing.



This means less future income for the alcoholic beverage industry and, with the way laws are heading, less future income for the private prison industry.  We can't have that.
 
2012-12-19 03:45:36 PM  
What, no spiffy tag?
 
2012-12-19 03:52:25 PM  
And these kids will be running the country in 25 years.
 
2012-12-19 03:54:31 PM  
We are increasingly concerned that regular or daily use of marijuana is robbing many young people of their potential to achieve and excel in school or other aspects of life," said Dr. Nora D. Volkow, director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse, which is part of NIH. 
 
Translation - f*cking NORML, we need to outlaw those sons of biatches!  how DARE they go around telling kids the truth!  we have to scare 'em while they're young or they'll never listen to our bullshiat ever again!
 
2012-12-19 03:58:23 PM  
fishduck.com
 
2012-12-19 04:01:42 PM  
Wait, what?
 
2012-12-19 04:20:58 PM  

Weaver95: We are increasingly concerned that regular or daily use of marijuana is robbing many young people of their potential to achieve and excel in school or other aspects of life," said Dr. Nora D. Volkow, director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse, which is part of NIH. 
 
Translation - f*cking NORML, we need to outlaw those sons of biatches!  how DARE they go around telling kids the truth!  we have to scare 'em while they're young or they'll never listen to our bullshiat ever again!



yeah.. because you're really able to learn when drunk/stoned.  
 
2012-12-19 04:44:00 PM  
Imagine everyone with that same, monotone voice, man.
 
2012-12-19 04:54:48 PM  

SuperTramp: Imagine everyone with that same, monotone voice, man.


Steven Wright approves.
 
2012-12-19 05:03:37 PM  
"Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time."
 
2012-12-19 05:15:44 PM  
This shocking information is brought to you by 1965.
How can the truth about pot be supressed for 80 years and the plans for a thermonuclear device be on the internet?
It amazes me that this lie is apparently supported by the same people that out the Santa Claus or Tooth Fairy derp.
And those lies are a LOT more believable.
 
Anybody blame the media beside me?
They are trying(and succeeding) to legislate from the Televising of Mass Killing and can't even call the Drug Warriors on their bullchit???
 
/guess we know who pays the bills
 
2012-12-19 05:26:25 PM  
I was a teen in the 70's.  We didn't believe weed was dangerous then.  Nice to know 30 years of DARE and Just Say No have been so effective
 
2012-12-19 05:26:33 PM  
The ONE DAY I decide to un-ignore tentonsofderp...
 
2012-12-19 05:26:36 PM  
There was a time when they did?
 
2012-12-19 05:27:46 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: I LEARNED IT FROM YOU, DAD! ALRIGHT! I LEARNED IT BY WATCHING YOU!!!


thank you.. saved me the trouble.

:)
 
2012-12-19 05:27:55 PM  

snocone: How can the truth about pot be supressed for 80 years and the plans for a thermonuclear device be on the internet?


How is the truth about pot suppressed? There are millions of websites on the internet that are pro-pot. Probably more than those for thermonuclear devices.
 
2012-12-19 05:28:27 PM  
parents need to parent
/problem solved
 
2012-12-19 05:29:33 PM  
...Wait, which teenagers believed that it was dangerous* still?


* as in 'any more dangerous than alcohol'
 
2012-12-19 05:30:37 PM  
Dangerous? You should see some of the stuff I have done on Jack Daniels. It's lucky I am still alive. Never had anything even close with good ol' herb. Unless sitting on the couch is considered dangerous?
 
2012-12-19 05:31:24 PM  

NkThrasher: ...Wait, which teenagers believed that it was dangerous* still?


* as in 'any more dangerous than alcohol'


bible thumping derpers that had no fun growing up. the same people that belive that Jesus's first miracle was turning water into welches grape drink.
 
2012-12-19 05:34:10 PM  

Optimus Primate: Dangerous? You should see some of the stuff I have done on Jack Daniels. It's lucky I am still alive. Never had anything even close with good ol' herb. Unless sitting on the couch is considered dangerous?


Your couch may be giving you cancer.
 
So you have a choice of smoking on a couch that can give you cancer, or smoking on a couch that could burn you to a crisp if you drop an ember on it.
 
2012-12-19 05:35:03 PM  
Should be corrected to: "Teenagers no longer believe that marijuana is dangerous because they know that it's not".

All things have some inherent level of danger to them; calling something dangerous implies some risk of injury far greater than the average object, say a fork. I'd imagine the danger from marijuana is approximately on the same order as that of forks.
 
2012-12-19 05:35:06 PM  

Jubeebee: -Use of illicit drugs other than marijuana was at a low for eighth-, 10th- and 12th-grade students.
-Reported alcohol use continued to steadily decline, falling to the lowest level on record.
 
 
So a use of a drug that is not particularly addictive nor particularly harmful is increasing, while use of more harmful, more addictive drugs is decreasing.
 
This is somehow a bad thing.



To your average dense-skulled conservative, yes it is.
 
2012-12-19 05:35:08 PM  
They took away our Twinkies and I said nothing.
 
2012-12-19 05:35:47 PM  
That's easy enough to fix.
 
"Look at your parents.  They smoked a lot of pot when they were your age."
"OH SHIAT! I'm never touching pot again."
 
2012-12-19 05:35:58 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Teens upset that parents/the media/the government have been lying to them.
 
Be honest with your kid. It's not a very dangerous drug, but it's still a drug. Seriously, this talk should mimic the alcohol talk almost exactly.
 
My parents told me they understand they can't control what I do and don't do outside of the house, but they also warned me that any consequences that came from my actions I would be dealing with myself. If I'm old enough to decide to drink a beer while underage, I'm old enough to deal with those consequences if caught.


That's what I am doing with my kids. I treat them with respect and honesty. They respond by listening and performing their chores and staying out of trouble. They know they have the freedom to make decisions as long as they understand, and accept, the consequences.

I think it works because I have a great relationship with my kids. The only draw back is that I don't think they want to leave; my 19 year old keeps threatening to stay forever because she loves me so much. Phah!
 
2012-12-19 05:38:10 PM  
I'll take stoners over drunk obnoxious assholes any day.
 
2012-12-19 05:38:23 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Don't lie to your kids about drugs and alcohol. They'll use that against you when they rebel. I've openly talked to my kids about why people would want to use them and what would drive someone to try keep using. School teaches doom and gloom and horrible things. But let's be honest: if you tell a kid 'don't do that' then when they get angry or rebellious they are going to do it.

 
 
Not just that, but if you lie about the danger's of Teh Debil's Weed!!!!! they might assume you are as equally clueless about drugs that are dangerous. And then the real shiat hits the fan.
 
2012-12-19 05:39:06 PM  
The real danger of pot (or alcohol, for that matter) is doing them a lot while too young. Don't fark with your brain chemistry while it's still developing or you're going to end up as a loser like all of those fear tactics say.

/Over 18...kindof ok
//Over 21, just fine
 
2012-12-19 05:39:51 PM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: Jubeebee: -Use of illicit drugs other than marijuana was at a low for eighth-, 10th- and 12th-grade students.
-Reported alcohol use continued to steadily decline, falling to the lowest level on record.
 
 
So a use of a drug that is not particularly addictive nor particularly harmful is increasing, while use of more harmful, more addictive drugs is decreasing.
 
This is somehow a bad thing.


To your average dense-skulled conservative, yes it is.


I think you'll find even "dense-skulled conservatives" have pretty much conceded the point. But 1985 just called and they are interested in hearing your debate points for the "Just Say No" campaign.
 
2012-12-19 05:39:58 PM  
Well, it can be. Honestly, it can depend on the person, setting, strength, and oh about a million other factors. It's not coffee. No, not nearly as cruel as my Master, Caffeine. I will never be free of my liquid brunette slavery. I have tried. And tried. And tried. I don't dislike the java jive, but it doesn't like me. It owns me.
 
2012-12-19 05:40:07 PM  

jj325: I was a teen in the 70's. We didn't believe weed was dangerous then


But did you "know," or did you just suspect that because you enjoyed doing it? I was born in 1980, and the first time I ever saw weed was in 1992, when some older kids had it in the 7-11 parking lot. My parents were paranoid nutjobs, so my first thought at that time was these kids were about to go screaming around the street complaining of bugs all over themselves, all while acting super super drunk (I was not a very bright kid). My feelings were a product of both whatever nonsense was taught to me in health class, and the fact that my parents just plain sucked (though they did love me very much, they just sucked at parenting).

I didn't realize until college (1998) that there were basically no harmful side effects from weed, so long as you didn't try to drive or operate heavy machinery.

Ain't America grand?
 
2012-12-19 05:40:59 PM  

tricycleracer: This means less future income for the alcoholic beverage industry and, with the way laws are heading, less future income for the private prison industry. We can't have that.



Bullshiat. I love both equally and if my State were to legalize I'd still spend the same amount of money for both.
 
/depending if prices remain the same if it were to be legalized here
//just spent $55 on beer today
 
2012-12-19 05:41:12 PM  
I don't know if it's just correlation or causation. I've never met someone who regularly smoked weed who wasn't a total idiot. I'm not decisively saying that the weed made them an idiot, but that the two seem to go hand in hand somehow.
 
2012-12-19 05:42:34 PM  

OgreMagi: That's easy enough to fix.
 
"Look at your parents.  They smoked a lot of pot when they were your age."
"OH SHIAT! I'm never touching pot again."



Yeah, but mom an dad smoked leaves and stems. We feed that crap to the deer.
 
2012-12-19 05:42:58 PM  

Hector Remarkable: Well, it can be. Honestly, it can depend on the person, setting, strength, and oh about a million other factors. It's not coffee. No, not nearly as cruel as my Master, Caffeine. I will never be free of my liquid brunette slavery. I have tried. And tried. And tried. I don't dislike the java jive, but it doesn't like me. It owns me.


media.tumblr.com

Diet Mountain Dew allows me to live in denial of my caffeine addiction...the soda machine in my garage stocked with it however says I'm pretty much a caffeine junkie.
 
2012-12-19 05:43:37 PM  

Cerebral Knievel: CapeFearCadaver: I LEARNED IT FROM YOU, DAD! ALRIGHT! I LEARNED IT BY WATCHING YOU!!!

thank you.. saved me the trouble.

:)



Heh heh. You know what though, as much of a teabagger asshole my father is, he still smokes good bud....
 
2012-12-19 05:44:19 PM  

Jubeebee: -Use of illicit drugs other than marijuana was at a low for eighth-, 10th- and 12th-grade students.
-Reported alcohol use continued to steadily decline, falling to the lowest level on record.
 
 
So a use of a drug that is not particularly addictive nor particularly harmful is increasing, while use of more harmful, more addictive drugs is decreasing.
 
This is somehow a bad thing.


I partied a LOT when I was a teen.

More alcohol than cannabis, however, it was very clear back then which drug was "safer", and it isn't the drug that comes in a can or bottle, is advertised everywhere, and sold freely on the open market.

I have consumed too much alcohol resulting in: projectile vomiting, violent behavior resulting in personal and property damage, negative interactions with the law enforcement community, black outs, waking up in a pool of my own urine / vomit, alcohol poisoning / near death experiences.

I NEVER had those problems when I used cannabis. Ever.

I would MUCH rather have my kid use cannabis than alcohol for social purposes, as the physical and behavioral effects are far less dangerous than alcohol.
 
2012-12-19 05:44:29 PM  

Nickninja: The real danger of pot (or alcohol, for that matter) is doing them a lot while too young. Don't fark with your brain chemistry while it's still developing or you're going to end up as a loser like all of those fear tactics say.

/Over 18...kindof ok
//Over 21, just fine


www.newmediaexplorer.org
 
2012-12-19 05:44:56 PM  

taurusowner: I don't know if it's just correlation or causation. I've never met someone who regularly smoked weed who wasn't a total idiot. I'm not decisively saying that the weed made them an idiot, but that the two seem to go hand in hand somehow.



I've long suspected that you are a serious stoner.
 
2012-12-19 05:45:00 PM  

hdhale: Hector Remarkable: Well, it can be. Honestly, it can depend on the person, setting, strength, and oh about a million other factors. It's not coffee. No, not nearly as cruel as my Master, Caffeine. I will never be free of my liquid brunette slavery. I have tried. And tried. And tried. I don't dislike the java jive, but it doesn't like me. It owns me.

 
[media.tumblr.com image 133x188]
 
Diet Mountain Dew allows me to live in denial of my caffeine addiction...the soda machine in my garage stocked with it however says I'm pretty much a caffeine junkie.
 
 
If the soda machine is talking to you, you just might be a caffeine addict.
 
2012-12-19 05:45:27 PM  
Far out man

/praise the Lord and pass the Funyuns
 
2012-12-19 05:46:43 PM  
 
2012-12-19 05:46:44 PM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: Jubeebee: -Use of illicit drugs other than marijuana was at a low for eighth-, 10th- and 12th-grade students.
-Reported alcohol use continued to steadily decline, falling to the lowest level on record.
 
 
So a use of a drug that is not particularly addictive nor particularly harmful is increasing, while use of more harmful, more addictive drugs is decreasing.
 
This is somehow a bad thing.


To your average dense-skulled conservative, yes it is.


It is bad, because if people don't feel bad, are not ashamed, are not embarrassed by their behavior then they will not turn to a Christian church for forgiveness. By allowing these retched minors to discover that sex feels good, pot and alcohol can make you feel good and not have them ashamed or criminally punished by their behavior then they will turn away from a Christian church. Then how are we going to control them? Hmmm... have you thought about that?
 
2012-12-19 05:47:56 PM  

ozone: What, no spiffy spleefy tag?


fixed
 
2012-12-19 05:48:08 PM  

scottydoesntknow:
 
My parents told me they understand they can't control what I do and don't do outside of the house, but they also warned me that any consequences that came from my actions I would be dealing with myself. If I'm old enough to decide to drink a beer while underage, I'm old enough to deal with those consequences if caught.


It's a shame that responsible parenting (or even teaching children about being responsible for themselves) has become more the exception than the rule.
 
2012-12-19 05:48:44 PM  

taurusowner: I don't know if it's just correlation or causation. I've never met someone who regularly smoked weed who wasn't a total idiot. I'm not decisively saying that the weed made them an idiot, but that the two seem to go hand in hand somehow.



You have no idea how many people around you smoke, because the smart ones don't just go around showing people or telling them about it.
 
2012-12-19 05:49:30 PM  

meathome: It's a shame that responsible parenting (or even teaching children about being responsible for themselves) has become more the exception than the rule.


Show some data to back up that assertion or else it's just the same generational bullshiat we've been hearing since language has been invented.
 
2012-12-19 05:50:36 PM  
maybe, because... well, its not?
 
2012-12-19 05:51:05 PM  
I just don't like people that say it's completely safe. A few people in this thread have implied that. It's not 100% safe. If you want to be constructive, supportive, and actually beneficial to the movement of having marijuana legalized, you need to admit that the tests and studies have been done by independent, unbiased groups and that marijuana is dangerous and under what circumstances that danger elevates. It's not a terrible drug, but there are risks as with any drug.

If you run around preaching that weed is harmless you just sound like an idiot and actually make everyone else involved in the movement look bad. Educate yourself before you open your mouth. Maybe then you'll have a better come-back in debates than claiming it's a government conspiracy telling everyone marijuana has risks.
 
2012-12-19 05:51:09 PM  

OgreMagi: hdhale: Hector Remarkable: Well, it can be. Honestly, it can depend on the person, setting, strength, and oh about a million other factors. It's not coffee. No, not nearly as cruel as my Master, Caffeine. I will never be free of my liquid brunette slavery. I have tried. And tried. And tried. I don't dislike the java jive, but it doesn't like me. It owns me.
 
[media.tumblr.com image 133x188]
 
Diet Mountain Dew allows me to live in denial of my caffeine addiction...the soda machine in my garage stocked with it however says I'm pretty much a caffeine junkie.
 
 
If the soda machine is talking to you, you just might be a caffeine addict.


Also, watch out for tree-cops. TREE COPS!!
 
2012-12-19 05:51:18 PM  

scottydoesntknow: You have no idea how many people around you smoke, because the smart ones don't just go around showing people or telling them about it.


Carl Sagan disagrees.
 
2012-12-19 05:52:20 PM  
There was a 4 hour window in the early 80's right after Nancy Reagan's appearance on Diff'rent Strokes when I thought pot was dangerous.
 
2012-12-19 05:52:49 PM  

taurusowner: I don't know if it's just correlation or causation. I've never met someone who regularly smoked weed who wasn't a total idiot. I'm not decisively saying that the weed made them an idiot, but that the two seem to go hand in hand somehow.



Hi. I'm CapeFearCadaver, nice to meet you.
 
2012-12-19 05:54:06 PM  

taurusowner: I don't know if it's just correlation or causation. I've never met someone who regularly smoked weed who wasn't a total idiot. I'm not decisively saying that the weed made them an idiot, but that the two seem to go hand in hand somehow.


Ever played a video game or used a piece of software and been impressed? Stoners are responsible.
 
2012-12-19 05:54:56 PM  

PonceAlyosha: scottydoesntknow: You have no idea how many people around you smoke, because the smart ones don't just go around showing people or telling them about it.

Carl Sagan disagrees.


So does Clinton, Obama, Michael Phelps, etc.
 
What I'm saying is the guys (or girls) in your office who are really smart and get everything done right probably won't tell people they smoke because they still need job security, and it's still an illegal substance.
 
2012-12-19 05:55:25 PM  
Marijuana isn't dangerous. I can't think of a single instance where someone died from an overdose of marijuana, and, if anything, stoned people tend to be less violent and confrontational.
 
2012-12-19 05:55:32 PM  
My parents knowingly told us NOT to do drugs while a funny smell came from their bedroom.
 
2012-12-19 05:55:36 PM  

farkingismybusiness: It's a gateway drug.


Bad juju getting bombed like that
 
2012-12-19 05:57:12 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: taurusowner: I don't know if it's just correlation or causation. I've never met someone who regularly smoked weed who wasn't a total idiot. I'm not decisively saying that the weed made them an idiot, but that the two seem to go hand in hand somehow.

Ever played a video game or used a piece of software and been impressed? Stoners are responsible.


Ever learned any modern physics? Stoners are responsible. Same with most modern chemistry.
 
2012-12-19 05:58:13 PM  

JPSimonetti: I just don't like people that say it's completely safe. A few people in this thread have implied that. It's not 100% safe. If you want to be constructive, supportive, and actually beneficial to the movement of having marijuana legalized, you need to admit that the tests and studies have been done by independent, unbiased groups and that marijuana is dangerous and under what circumstances that danger elevates. It's not a terrible drug, but there are risks as with any drug.

If you run around preaching that weed is harmless you just sound like an idiot and actually make everyone else involved in the movement look bad. Educate yourself before you open your mouth. Maybe then you'll have a better come-back in debates than claiming it's a government conspiracy telling everyone marijuana has risks.


Water consumed to excess is dangerous.

You are also however correct.
 
2012-12-19 05:58:58 PM  

farkingismybusiness: It's a gateway drug.


Gateway drug eh?
 
2012-12-19 05:59:14 PM  
<p><b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7494541/81397201#c81397201" target="_blank">scottydoesntknow</a>:</b> <i>taurusowner: I don't know if it's just correlation or causation. I've never met someone who regularly smoked weed who wasn't a total idiot. I'm not decisively saying that the weed made them an idiot, but that the two seem to go hand in hand somehow.<br />
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You have no idea how many people around you smoke, because the smart ones don't just go around showing people or telling them about it.</i><br />
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I bet more people around me drink and have worse outcomes short and long term from that drink. that being said, I am going to pop some lorazepam, hit the bottle and go cruising for chicks</p>
 
2012-12-19 05:59:58 PM  

JPSimonetti: unbiased groups and that marijuana is dangerous and under what circumstances that danger elevates.


You mean the groups the Government secretly paid? Oh, those...

 
2012-12-19 06:02:14 PM  

JPSimonetti: I just don't like people that say it's completely safe. A few people in this thread have implied that. It's not 100% safe. If you want to be constructive, supportive, and actually beneficial to the movement of having marijuana legalized, you need to admit that the tests and studies have been done by independent, unbiased groups and that marijuana is dangerous and under what circumstances that danger elevates. It's not a terrible drug, but there are risks as with any drug.

If you run around preaching that weed is harmless you just sound like an idiot and actually make everyone else involved in the movement look bad. Educate yourself before you open your mouth. Maybe then you'll have a better come-back in debates than claiming it's a government conspiracy telling everyone marijuana has risks.


Can you point to the post where someone said it was harmless or "completely safe"? I think I've seen you say that in another thread where no one said anything about it being "harmless". Less harmful than alcohol? Sure, but no one's said anything about it being completely safe.
 
2012-12-19 06:02:45 PM  

JPSimonetti: you need to admit that the tests and studies have been done by independent, unbiased groups and that marijuana is dangerous and under what circumstances that danger elevates. It's not a terrible drug, but there are risks as with any drug.


Like all those studies that found a link between marijuana use and cancer? Oh wait, they all found no increased rates of cancer compared to non-smokers, even amongst the heaviest of smokers.
 
2012-12-19 06:03:08 PM  
It is exactly as dangerous as alcohol. Most people have known this for a long time.
 
2012-12-19 06:04:56 PM  

taurusowner: I don't know if it's just correlation or causation. I've never met someone who regularly smoked weed who wasn't a total idiot. I'm not decisively saying that the weed made them an idiot, but that the two seem to go hand in hand somehow.



Nice to meet you.  I smoke weed every day and am a successful small business owner whose company handles the finances of multi-million dollar corporations.  Now tell me a little about yourself...
 
2012-12-19 06:05:33 PM  
As someone who recently figured out how to make my own MJ e-cig cartridges (removing the most harmful element - smoke), I'm getting a kick...
 
2012-12-19 06:07:25 PM  

Surool: It is exactly as dangerous as alcohol. Most people have known this for a long time.


Not really. When was the last time someone overdosed on pot? People die from alcohol poisoning all the time, but not once in all of recorded human history has anyone died from marijuana, it's simply not toxic enough.
 
2012-12-19 06:07:52 PM  

namatad: <p><b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7494541/81397201#c81397201" target="_blank">scottydoesntknow</a>:</b> <i>taurusowner: I don't know if it's just correlation or causation. I've never met someone who regularly smoked weed who wasn't a total idiot. I'm not decisively saying that the weed made them an idiot, but that the two seem to go hand in hand somehow.<br />
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You have no idea how many people around you smoke, because the smart ones don't just go around showing people or telling them about it.</i><br />
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I bet more people around me drink and have worse outcomes short and long term from that drink. that being said, I am going to pop some lorazepam, hit the bottle and go cruising for chicks</p>


Know how I know you're farking stoned?
 
2012-12-19 06:09:20 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Be honest with your kid. It's not a very dangerous drug, but it's still a drug. Seriously, this talk should mimic the alcohol talk almost exactly.



And (in most places) illegal.  So don't ever smoke it or have it on you if there's any chance of getting caught.  And don't buy any from anyone but a very trusted friend.
 
2012-12-19 06:10:19 PM  

Cerebral Knievel: NkThrasher: ...Wait, which teenagers believed that it was dangerous* still?


* as in 'any more dangerous than alcohol'

bible thumping derpers that had no fun growing up. the same people that belive that Jesus's first miracle was turning water into welches grape drink.


Aah, Flanders. Gotcha.
 
2012-12-19 06:10:36 PM  
"I believe sucking cigarette smoke into your lungs will kill you."

thesimplestream.com
 
2012-12-19 06:10:57 PM  

taurusowner: I don't know if it's just correlation or causation. I've never met someone who regularly smoked weed who wasn't a total idiot. I'm not decisively saying that the weed made them an idiot, but that the two seem to go hand in hand somehow.



Well, now you've me one more
 
2012-12-19 06:11:22 PM  

Neondistraction: Surool: It is exactly as dangerous as alcohol. Most people have known this for a long time.

Not really. When was the last time someone overdosed on pot? People die from alcohol poisoning all the time, but not once in all of recorded human history has anyone died from marijuana, it's simply not toxic enough.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-19 06:12:16 PM  

Neondistraction: Surool: It is exactly as dangerous as alcohol. Most people have known this for a long time.

Not really. When was the last time someone overdosed on pot? People die from alcohol poisoning all the time, but not once in all of recorded human history has anyone died from marijuana, it's simply not toxic enough.


The particulates and junk in your lungs can still give you emphysema. I've never been against pot, but I have never been so dumb as to ignore the downsides.
 
2012-12-19 06:13:21 PM  
i.imgur.com

Give it up already, prudes. Haven't enough people been thrown in jail because of your warped morality? Either way, you're losing. Ha.
 
2012-12-19 06:13:25 PM  

Neondistraction: Like all those studies that found a link between marijuana use and cancer? Oh wait, they all found no increased rates of cancer compared to non-smokers, even amongst the heaviest of smokers.

"The study, published Wednesday by the British Lung Foundation, found that a cannabis cigarette is 20 times more likely to cause cancer than a tobacco cigarette."


Damn those brits and their bias and bills paid for by the US government.
 
2012-12-19 06:14:33 PM  

Surool: The particulates and junk in your lungs can still give you emphysema. I've never been against pot, but I have never been so dumb as to ignore the downsides.


If only there were a way to use pot without those particulates and "junk" ending up in your lungs... 

/Oh!
 
2012-12-19 06:16:08 PM  
What I know about marijuana could fit in one of those really small baggies (alongside what I know about Gangnam Style, Justin Bieber, and dubstep.) Serious question in need of a serious and reliable answer: Is there a small minority of people who are at some risk of a psychotic episode when on marijuana or is that just FUD from the abstinence-only crowd?
 
2012-12-19 06:16:36 PM  
Based on this report how do you think Nixon will do in the upcoming 1972 election. OLD news how does this skip from one generation to the next ?
 
2012-12-19 06:19:05 PM  

taurusowner: I don't know if it's just correlation or causation. I've never met someone who regularly smoked weed who wasn't a total idiot. I'm not decisively saying that the weed made them an idiot, but that the two seem to go hand in hand somehow.


I don't know about regularly (I know a lot of people that smoke the textbook definition of "regularly" that are smarter and more motivated than you, me and everyone in this thread; It's embarrassing sometimes), but I've seen the same with people that wake and bake, then stay stoned all or most of the day. To be fair they aren't, never were, and never would have been mental giants even when you remove weed from the equation and have nearly the same, if not identical, problems as alcoholics.
 
2012-12-19 06:19:42 PM  

Neondistraction: Surool: It is exactly as dangerous as alcohol. Most people have known this for a long time.

Not really. When was the last time someone overdosed on pot? People die from alcohol poisoning all the time, but not once in all of recorded human history has anyone died from marijuana, it's simply not toxic enough.



Well, there's driving while high.  I rarely smoke pot, but the times I have... no way should I have been behind the wheel (and I wasn't).
 
2012-12-19 06:22:14 PM  

JPSimonetti: Neondistraction: Like all those studies that found a link between marijuana use and cancer? Oh wait, they all found no increased rates of cancer compared to non-smokers, even amongst the heaviest of smokers.

 
"The study, published Wednesday by the British Lung Foundation, found that a cannabis cigarette is 20 times more likely to cause cancer than a tobacco cigarette."
 
 
Damn those brits and their bias and bills paid for by the US government.
 
Who said it's just the US government doing it?
 
Mainstream Media Peddle Tired Cannabis Cancer Myth 
 
Stick that in your pipe and smoke it
 
2012-12-19 06:23:16 PM  
Been smoking it for 40 years and have yet to suffer any setbacks. Took an IQ test 2 years ago and scored a 118.
My state just legalized it. It appears my protests over the years were not in vain.
 
2012-12-19 06:24:08 PM  

MooseUpNorth: What I know about marijuana could fit in one of those really small baggies (alongside what I know about Gangnam Style, Justin Bieber, and dubstep.) Serious question in need of a serious and reliable answer: Is there a small minority of people who are at some risk of a psychotic episode when on marijuana or is that just FUD from the abstinence-only crowd?


It can exacerbate a number of pre-existing mental health issues like bipolar disorder. That's not propaganda.
 
2012-12-19 06:24:52 PM  

taurusowner: I don't know if it's just correlation or causation. I've never met someone who regularly smoked weed who wasn't a total idiot. I'm not decisively saying that the weed made them an idiot, but that the two seem to go hand in hand somehow.



You're a cop. The intelligent smokers are upscale professionals and know how to avoid you.
 

MooseUpNorth: What I know about marijuana could fit in one of those really small baggies (alongside what I know about Gangnam Style, Justin Bieber, and dubstep.) Serious question in need of a serious and reliable answer: Is there a small minority of people who are at some risk of a psychotic episode when on marijuana or is that just FUD from the abstinence-only crowd?



1% maybe, but some people become paranoid if they smoke too much or it's too high grade for them.
 
2012-12-19 06:25:32 PM  
To be fair, it CAN be dangerous to some people
Epigenetic Mediation of Environmental Influences in Major Psychotic Disorders

To save you all the long read:
"Over recent years, evidence from epidemiological studies and meta-analyses has established cannabis as a clear risk factor for later psychotic symptoms or psychotic disorder. Interestingly, the age (or developmental stage) at which individuals start using cannabis influences this association. Further evidence suggests that cannabis use is also associated with a decreased age of onset of psychotic disorder and that gene-environment interactions are likely implicated in the association between cannabis and psychosis."
 
2012-12-19 06:25:34 PM  

MooseUpNorth: What I know about marijuana could fit in one of those really small baggies (alongside what I know about Gangnam Style, Justin Bieber, and dubstep.) Serious question in need of a serious and reliable answer: Is there a small minority of people who are at some risk of a psychotic episode when on marijuana or is that just FUD from the abstinence-only crowd?


I'm going with FUD. I'm no neurologist, but the only way that a normal, healthy person going to have a psychotic break that I can think of is if it's laced with something. As far as I understand it, THC simply doesn't interact with the brain like that so there's got to be some severely screwy (and thus incredibly rare) wiring going on.
 
2012-12-19 06:25:34 PM  

Surool: It is exactly as dangerous as alcohol. Most people have known this for a long time.


0/10
 
2012-12-19 06:25:41 PM  

Surool: Neondistraction: Surool: It is exactly as dangerous as alcohol. Most people have known this for a long time.

Not really. When was the last time someone overdosed on pot? People die from alcohol poisoning all the time, but not once in all of recorded human history has anyone died from marijuana, it's simply not toxic enough.

The particulates and junk in your lungs can still give you emphysema. I've never been against pot, but I have never been so dumb as to ignore the downsides.


It can give you emphysema, if you smoke it (which you don't have to, there are other methods) and even then studies have shown an increased risk only in people who have a genetic history of emphysema to begin with.

Alcohol will slowly kill your liver, along with other organs and vital functions. Alcohol is also one of the few drugs that withdrawl from can actually be fatal.

Either is relatively safe if used in moderation, but my point is that claiming marijuana is as dangerous as alcohol is absurd.
 
2012-12-19 06:26:08 PM  

Jizz Master Zero: MooseUpNorth: What I know about marijuana could fit in one of those really small baggies (alongside what I know about Gangnam Style, Justin Bieber, and dubstep.) Serious question in need of a serious and reliable answer: Is there a small minority of people who are at some risk of a psychotic episode when on marijuana or is that just FUD from the abstinence-only crowd?

I'm going with FUD. I'm no neurologist, but the only way that a normal, healthy person going to have a psychotic break that I can think of is if it's laced with something. As far as I understand it, THC simply doesn't interact with the brain like that so there's got to be some severely screwy (and thus incredibly rare) wiring going on.


lol.. see my post above yours...
 
2012-12-19 06:28:15 PM  

taurusowner: I don't know if it's just correlation or causation. I've never met someone who regularly smoked weed who wasn't a total idiot. I'm not decisively saying that the weed made them an idiot, but that the two seem to go hand in hand somehow.


Maybe not idiot as much as a lack of common sense. Regardless of your belief in harmful effects or lack thereof it is/was illegal and I have seen otherwise well educated. allegedly intelligent, people risking careers, family etc to inhale fumes from burning vegetation.
 
2012-12-19 06:29:14 PM  

MooseUpNorth: Serious question in need of a serious and reliable answer: Is there a small minority of people who are at some risk of a psychotic episode when on marijuana or is that just FUD from the abstinence-only crowd?


It can trigger psychotic episodes in people that are already prone to them, but it's not going to cause an otherwise normal person to flip their shiat. Unless you're an idiot and eat a whole tray of hash cakes at once.
 
2012-12-19 06:31:24 PM  

AbbeySomeone: You're a cop. The intelligent smokers are upscale professionals and know how to avoid you.



I have multiple cop friends who smoke; they also have a set testing date, but... well, yeah.
 
2012-12-19 06:31:59 PM  
Uranus Is Huge!
As someone who recently figured out how to make my own MJ e-cig cartridges (removing the most harmful element - smoke), I'm getting a kick...

Newsletter, subscribe, etc.
 
2012-12-19 06:32:56 PM  
Ah, great. I appreciate the info, everyone.

/ Every now and again one of my students asks me a stumper about things they shouldn't even have heard of, let alone actually be doing, and I'd rather have accurate info/advice for them.
// Like the 8th grader who asked me if anal can cause pregnancy. (It was a serious question, so I answered her seriously.)
 
2012-12-19 06:33:03 PM  

hasty ambush: taurusowner: I don't know if it's just correlation or causation. I've never met someone who regularly smoked weed who wasn't a total idiot. I'm not decisively saying that the weed made them an idiot, but that the two seem to go hand in hand somehow.

Maybe not idiot as much as a lack of common sense. Regardless of your belief in harmful effects or lack thereof it is/was illegal and I have seen otherwise well educated. allegedly intelligent, people risking careers, family etc to inhale fumes from burning vegetation.


I've also seen intelligent people engage in dangerous/risky/criminal behavior after ingesting liquid made from fermented, distilled grain. Others have spent thousands of dollars for nothing more than fermented crushed grapes.

The Mona Lisa is nothing but a piece of dead tree with chemical pigments arranged in an interesting fashion.
 
2012-12-19 06:33:51 PM  

hasty ambush: Regardless of your belief in harmful effects or lack thereof it is/was illegal and I have seen otherwise well educated. allegedly intelligent, people risking careers, family etc to inhale fumes from burning vegetation.


OBEY!

/Apparently only morans don't OBEY!
 
2012-12-19 06:34:47 PM  

Legios: Jizz Master Zero: MooseUpNorth: What I know about marijuana could fit in one of those really small baggies (alongside what I know about Gangnam Style, Justin Bieber, and dubstep.) Serious question in need of a serious and reliable answer: Is there a small minority of people who are at some risk of a psychotic episode when on marijuana or is that just FUD from the abstinence-only crowd?

I'm going with FUD. I'm no neurologist, but the only way that a normal, healthy person going to have a psychotic break that I can think of is if it's laced with something. As far as I understand it, THC simply doesn't interact with the brain like that so there's got to be some severely screwy (and thus incredibly rare) wiring going on.

lol.. see my post above yours...


Dammit man, post quicker!

More or less what I suspected.
 
2012-12-19 06:38:23 PM  
35 years daily smoker here.
The only danger I've encountered is getting caught with it.
 
2012-12-19 06:39:27 PM  

MooseUpNorth: Ah, great. I appreciate the info, everyone.

/ Every now and again one of my students asks me a stumper about things they shouldn't even have heard of, let alone actually be doing, and I'd rather have accurate info/advice for them.
// Like the 8th grader who asked me if anal can cause pregnancy. (It was a serious question, so I answered her seriously.)


What was your answer?

"Only if the other guy pulls out in time"
 
2012-12-19 06:39:37 PM  
The beginning of the end of prohibition started last month. It's over. You lost, all you farkhead war junkies. Time for some sanity for a change. Time for the age of enlightenment to begin. Toke up!
 
2012-12-19 06:41:33 PM  

Barbecue Bob: 35 years daily smoker here.
The only danger I've encountered is getting caught with it.


The important thing to note is by reading some comments in this thread we all know you have a low IQ and you lack common sense.


Nice to meet you ya moran! :)
 
2012-12-19 06:44:50 PM  

NkThrasher: Cer


glad to be of service sir.
 
2012-12-19 06:49:59 PM  

Hale-Bopp: The beginning of the end of prohibition started last month. It's over. You lost, all you farkhead war junkies. Time for some sanity for a change. Time for the age of enlightenment to begin. Toke up!


calm down ya friggen hippy.. the war aint over yet. medical as been legal virginia since 1977 but only for glaucoma and certain forms of cancer, the docs just have never had a legal way to prescribe it.

and any where were blanket medical has been legalized, you get doc shops opening up in blatant head shops and "dispensaries" opening up like payday loan joints in the hood.. you still got a long way to go.
 
2012-12-19 06:53:36 PM  
Government funded anti-drug bozos find out that their future funding is threatned by legal weed, go into full panic mode to make sure we KNOW just how dangerous that evil, evil Mary-Jane is.

When the simple fact is this:

1. Kids should not use any drugs, including cigs and booze.

2. Adults are free to do so.

But the loss of funding...so sad for them, boo hoo.

You told us for years: "If you don't like the law CHANGE IT!" Well, we did, at least in two states, so get over yourselves already. More people die every hour in cell phone related accidents than die annualy of marijuana overdoses...
 
2012-12-19 06:54:47 PM  

sharpie_69: Barbecue Bob: 35 years daily smoker here.
The only danger I've encountered is getting caught with it.

The important thing to note is by reading some comments in this thread we all know you have a low IQ and you lack common sense.


Nice to meet you ya moran! :)


I was going to post a photo with the "Get a Brain Morans!" guy.
However, apon hunting for said photo, I found this one and it was far more interesting.
Enjoy;
img3.celebscentral.net
 
2012-12-19 07:01:44 PM  
I honestly wish I had drank a LOT less in college. Should have smoked herb more and drank less. Being stupid drunk is no way to go through college. Unfortunately consequences for smoking herb on campus were much higher than drinking so drinking culture prevailed.
 
2012-12-19 07:10:42 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: jj325: I was a teen in the 70's. We didn't believe weed was dangerous then

But did you "know," or did you just suspect that because you enjoyed doing it? I was born in 1980, and the first time I ever saw weed was in 1992, when some older kids had it in the 7-11 parking lot. My parents were paranoid nutjobs, so my first thought at that time was these kids were about to go screaming around the street complaining of bugs all over themselves, all while acting super super drunk (I was not a very bright kid). My feelings were a product of both whatever nonsense was taught to me in health class, and the fact that my parents just plain sucked (though they did love me very much, they just sucked at parenting).

I didn't realize until college (1998) that there were basically no harmful side effects from weed, so long as you didn't try to drive or operate heavy machinery.

Ain't America grand?



Sounds familiar.
 
2012-12-19 07:10:58 PM  
SEE??!! THIS is what happens when you let children onto the internet. They learn that everyone has been is blowing smoke up their ass. For their part, they generally resent this and start doing things like telling you to piss off with your lies and propaganda.

Then they start to question other things that they have been told...
 
2012-12-19 07:11:27 PM  

amquelbettamin: I honestly wish I had drank a LOT less in college. Should have smoked herb more and drank less. Being stupid drunk is no way to go through college. Unfortunately consequences for smoking herb on campus were much higher than drinking so drinking culture prevailed.



I had the best dorm room freshman year of college. On the second floor, and the only room with direct window access to a brick rooftop above the entrance to the dorms. The wall bricks were just high enough that you could set a couple chairs up there and no one at ground level would ever see you. My roommate and I set up a couple fold-away chairs and a magnetic chess set on a little table. Anytime we were bored we'd go out, toke up, and play a few games. I think I got to the point where I played better after smoking. My mind stopped racing and I could focus on just the game.
 
2012-12-19 07:12:31 PM  
It sure would be nice to live in a country where only the opinions of reasonable, mature, and just people were purveyed to the masses.
 
2012-12-19 07:14:32 PM  

Barbecue Bob:
I was going to post a photo with the "Get a Brain Morans!" guy.
However, apon hunting for said photo, I found this one and it was far more interesting.
Enjoy;
[img3.celebscentral.net image 610x915]

-=-
Yeah Buddy!

Um, what were we talking about?
Oh yeah.
Parents? More like Grandparents or Great Grandparents. You know, the "Reefer Madness" generations parents.
Are they still alive?
 
2012-12-19 07:14:34 PM  
Same parents who bundle up their children with four layers of clothes, and stand in the window watching as the kid just walks across the street in late October.

x2d.xanga.com
CUT THE CORD ALREADY.
 
2012-12-19 07:16:51 PM  

scottydoesntknow: amquelbettamin: I honestly wish I had drank a LOT less in college. Should have smoked herb more and drank less. Being stupid drunk is no way to go through college. Unfortunately consequences for smoking herb on campus were much higher than drinking so drinking culture prevailed.


I had the best dorm room freshman year of college. On the second floor, and the only room with direct window access to a brick rooftop above the entrance to the dorms. The wall bricks were just high enough that you could set a couple chairs up there and no one at ground level would ever see you. My roommate and I set up a couple fold-away chairs and a magnetic chess set on a little table. Anytime we were bored we'd go out, toke up, and play a few games. I think I got to the point where I played better after smoking. My mind stopped racing and I could focus on just the game.


Sounds lovely and civilized.

I bet you never thought it'd be fun to throw the chess pieces at people below, set the chair on fire, draw a dick on a sleeping person's face with a Sharpie, and then vomit on your friend's lap either...
 
2012-12-19 07:17:03 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Teens upset that parents/the media/the government have been lying to them.
 
Be honest with your kid. It's not a very dangerous drug, but it's still a drug. Seriously, this talk should mimic the alcohol talk almost exactly.
 
My parents told me they understand they can't control what I do and don't do outside of the house, but they also warned me that any consequences that came from my actions I would be dealing with myself. If I'm old enough to decide to drink a beer while underage, I'm old enough to deal with those consequences if caught.



For real.
 
I mean, if people had been honest about pot from the beginning (I mean, from the 1960's), then we wouldn't be in this situation now. I'm of the generation that got told OMFG! POT WILL TURN YOUR BRAINS TO MUSH! BEFORE IT MAKES YOU USE HEROIN!! and not coincidentally, people of my age bracket are now in Washington and other seats of government, making legislation on pot. The other half are out running pot dispensaries, so probably we've got two more generations before everyone just calms the f*ck down about pot.
 
But we'd have gotten there a lot sooner if people had acknowledged 50 years ago that a) pot is a drug, and b) it's not a deadly drug, but c) it's still a drug.
 
2012-12-19 07:19:00 PM  

Surool: It is exactly as dangerous as alcohol. Most people have known this for a long time.

 
We really need a "stupid" button.
 
2012-12-19 07:19:32 PM  

Jizz Master Zero: taurusowner: I don't know if it's just correlation or causation. I've never met someone who regularly smoked weed who wasn't a total idiot. I'm not decisively saying that the weed made them an idiot, but that the two seem to go hand in hand somehow.

I don't know about regularly (I know a lot of people that smoke the textbook definition of "regularly" that are smarter and more motivated than you, me and everyone in this thread; It's embarrassing sometimes), but I've seen the same with people that wake and bake, then stay stoned all or most of the day. To be fair they aren't, never were, and never would have been mental giants even when you remove weed from the equation and have nearly the same, if not identical, problems as alcoholics.


This. I have known both types. Had a few colleagues at $MajorCompany that smoked on the regular and were regularly praised by management.
 
2012-12-19 07:21:46 PM  

amquelbettamin: scottydoesntknow: amquelbettamin: I honestly wish I had drank a LOT less in college. Should have smoked herb more and drank less. Being stupid drunk is no way to go through college. Unfortunately consequences for smoking herb on campus were much higher than drinking so drinking culture prevailed.


I had the best dorm room freshman year of college. On the second floor, and the only room with direct window access to a brick rooftop above the entrance to the dorms. The wall bricks were just high enough that you could set a couple chairs up there and no one at ground level would ever see you. My roommate and I set up a couple fold-away chairs and a magnetic chess set on a little table. Anytime we were bored we'd go out, toke up, and play a few games. I think I got to the point where I played better after smoking. My mind stopped racing and I could focus on just the game.

Sounds lovely and civilized.

I bet you never thought it'd be fun to throw the chess pieces at people below, set the chair on fire, draw a dick on a sleeping person's face with a Sharpie, and then vomit on your friend's lap either...


Nah I did vomit on the back of a really hot girl's head one time though. That was fun.
 
/If your friend says he has the flu and doesn't want to go to the bars, don't make him go to the bars
//And don't proceed to make him do shots to impress the hot girls, because he might end up puking on her
 
2012-12-19 07:22:58 PM  
i believe it's harmful. kiss me MILF??
 
2012-12-19 07:24:01 PM  

JPSimonetti: Damn those brits and their bias and bills paid for by the US government.


Fine study, but it's weird how none of them can find an actual case of someone getting lung cancer strictly from weed. All we get are "risks" but no actual cancer.
 
2012-12-19 07:25:53 PM  
Why did this get bumped?
 
2012-12-19 07:26:08 PM  

sharpie_69: hasty ambush: Regardless of your belief in harmful effects or lack thereof it is/was illegal and I have seen otherwise well educated. allegedly intelligent, people risking careers, family etc to inhale fumes from burning vegetation.

OBEY!

/Apparently only morans don't OBEY!


Only morans fail to weigh the risks with the rewards. The individual lighting up in search of buzz and getting popped on a drug test is hardly a sticking it the man, refusing to sit at the back of the bus, Lexington, Concord, Gonzales (come and take it) moment. What have the stoners gained for their destroyed careers, families and drug convictions? The right to vote? The right to keep and bear arms? The right to inhale smoke from burning vegetation?

They will still be just stoners and the negative connotation that implies.
 
2012-12-19 07:27:17 PM  

UsikFark: Why did this get bumped?



You noticed that too? Thought I was high or something...
 
2012-12-19 07:27:55 PM  

scottydoesntknow: UsikFark: Why did this get bumped?


You noticed that too? Thought I was high or something...


Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude...
 
2012-12-19 07:28:31 PM  
Headline didn't really need the second sentence. Someone raise a fuss or something?
 
2012-12-19 07:29:06 PM  

scottydoesntknow: UsikFark: Why did this get bumped?


You noticed that too? Thought I was high or something...



What happened, man?
 
2012-12-19 07:29:14 PM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: scottydoesntknow: UsikFark: Why did this get bumped?


You noticed that too? Thought I was high or something...

Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude...


I still don't know where your car is. Stop asking.
 
2012-12-19 07:31:17 PM  
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-12-19 07:32:32 PM  
Cannabis is the cure for greed and violence.

Bad for a country fueled by both.
 
2012-12-19 07:32:43 PM  

libranoelrose: scottydoesntknow: UsikFark: Why did this get bumped?


You noticed that too? Thought I was high or something...


What happened, man?


I'm trying to maintain over here.
 
2012-12-19 07:33:02 PM  

SearchN: I still don't know where your car is. Stop asking.


:-/

Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude...
 
2012-12-19 07:33:10 PM  
If someone asked me this question I'd answer that yes, it is quite dangerous, however, states ought to legalize it anyway.

/ smoking is dangerous and it's legal. What makes pot different, again?
 
2012-12-19 07:33:26 PM  

scottydoesntknow: amquelbettamin: scottydoesntknow: amquelbettamin: I honestly wish I had drank a LOT less in college. Should have smoked herb more and drank less. Being stupid drunk is no way to go through college. Unfortunately consequences for smoking herb on campus were much higher than drinking so drinking culture prevailed.


I had the best dorm room freshman year of college. On the second floor, and the only room with direct window access to a brick rooftop above the entrance to the dorms. The wall bricks were just high enough that you could set a couple chairs up there and no one at ground level would ever see you. My roommate and I set up a couple fold-away chairs and a magnetic chess set on a little table. Anytime we were bored we'd go out, toke up, and play a few games. I think I got to the point where I played better after smoking. My mind stopped racing and I could focus on just the game.

Sounds lovely and civilized.

I bet you never thought it'd be fun to throw the chess pieces at people below, set the chair on fire, draw a dick on a sleeping person's face with a Sharpie, and then vomit on your friend's lap either...

Nah I did vomit on the back of a really hot girl's head one time though. That was fun.
 
/If your friend says he has the flu and doesn't want to go to the bars, don't make him go to the bars
//And don't proceed to make him do shots to impress the hot girls, because he might end up puking on her


Hehehe nice
 
2012-12-19 07:33:42 PM  

UsikFark: I'm trying to maintain over here.


HAHAHAHAHA
 
2012-12-19 07:33:50 PM  

amquelbettamin: I honestly wish I had drank a LOT less in college. Should have smoked herb more and drank less. Being stupid drunk is no way to go through college. Unfortunately consequences for smoking herb on campus were much higher than drinking so drinking culture prevailed.


I went to school in the mid-west during the mid 90's. We had pretty much the same situation. If you were in the room with someone toking and it got busted by the school, or the cops, you were no longer going to be in school. If your room-mate has possession in the room and got caught, unless you rolled on them, you were getting kicked out and charged with possession too. I did the frat thing, we drank like fish but if anyone brought herb in the house they were tossed out on their a$$. I had a pathetic 2.1 until I decided to pull my head out of my rectum and apply myself. I somehow finished with a 3.2 after wasting a lot of time and money blowing off classes and drinking.

Fifteen years and 2 successful careers later, I've decided to go back to get my masters. I stopped drinking well over 10 years ago because I stopped liking it. Unfortunately, due to a back injury I now smoke cannabis to prevent chronic back spasms. The last time the muscle relaxants and pain killers stopped working I was offered the next drug, Vicodin. I asked what would happen when that quit working and my doctor said it would likely be Oxy unless something else came up; then he said, "Or you can move and probably get years of relief."

Smoke weed daily and haven't had a back spasm in 15 months. I'm also maintaining a 3.9 GPA in my masters.

Booze got me a 2.1 and 3 years of sober make up classes to graduate with something respectful.

Weed, I can walk, pick things up, sit in a chair, and I've got almost a 4.0.

Weed wins but it isn't perfect. If you're nuts, get a shrink not a baggie. If you're balanced I recommend eating or vaporizing over smoking, it's just better for ya.
 
2012-12-19 07:38:06 PM  

Rockstone: What makes pot different, again?


It's not dangerous? If weed is dangerous, than EVERYTHING is dangerous.
 
2012-12-19 07:39:28 PM  
Well, subby, apparently people think marijuana is "dangerous" enough that they freaked out about a bunch of kids bringing pot brownies to school in Colorado and not telling anyone about it.

We definitely have a double standard when a relatively harmless drug like marijuana is still legally regarded as something dangerous as heroin or meth.
 
2012-12-19 07:41:18 PM  

scottydoesntknow: JPSimonetti: I just don't like people that say it's completely safe. A few people in this thread have implied that. It's not 100% safe. If you want to be constructive, supportive, and actually beneficial to the movement of having marijuana legalized, you need to admit that the tests and studies have been done by independent, unbiased groups and that marijuana is dangerous and under what circumstances that danger elevates. It's not a terrible drug, but there are risks as with any drug.

If you run around preaching that weed is harmless you just sound like an idiot and actually make everyone else involved in the movement look bad. Educate yourself before you open your mouth. Maybe then you'll have a better come-back in debates than claiming it's a government conspiracy telling everyone marijuana has risks.

Can you point to the post where someone said it was harmless or "completely safe"? I think I've seen you say that in another thread where no one said anything about it being "harmless". Less harmful than alcohol? Sure, but no one's said anything about it being completely safe.


It's less harmful in some of the population, in others it can be extremely dangerous. The biggest issue appears to be that there hasn't been enough controlled studies performed because they were (and still are) too damn hard to perform with the government restrictions on marijuana. I'd expect in 10-15 years time we'll have much better research and studies.

I agree that alcohol and smoking can be (very) dangerous too, but they existed in mainstream culture before we could perform proper scientific inquiry and trying to suddenly go "No, not yours!" would've been stupid (see: prohibition).
 
2012-12-19 07:41:39 PM  

drayno76: amquelbettamin: I honestly wish I had drank a LOT less in college. Should have smoked herb more and drank less. Being stupid drunk is no way to go through college. Unfortunately consequences for smoking herb on campus were much higher than drinking so drinking culture prevailed.

I went to school in the mid-west during the mid 90's. We had pretty much the same situation. If you were in the room with someone toking and it got busted by the school, or the cops, you were no longer going to be in school. If your room-mate has possession in the room and got caught, unless you rolled on them, you were getting kicked out and charged with possession too. I did the frat thing, we drank like fish but if anyone brought herb in the house they were tossed out on their a$$. I had a pathetic 2.1 until I decided to pull my head out of my rectum and apply myself. I somehow finished with a 3.2 after wasting a lot of time and money blowing off classes and drinking.

Fifteen years and 2 successful careers later, I've decided to go back to get my masters. I stopped drinking well over 10 years ago because I stopped liking it. Unfortunately, due to a back injury I now smoke cannabis to prevent chronic back spasms. The last time the muscle relaxants and pain killers stopped working I was offered the next drug, Vicodin. I asked what would happen when that quit working and my doctor said it would likely be Oxy unless something else came up; then he said, "Or you can move and probably get years of relief."

Smoke weed daily and haven't had a back spasm in 15 months. I'm also maintaining a 3.9 GPA in my masters.

Booze got me a 2.1 and 3 years of sober make up classes to graduate with something respectful.

Weed, I can walk, pick things up, sit in a chair, and I've got almost a 4.0.

Weed wins but it isn't perfect. If you're nuts, get a shrink not a baggie. If you're balanced I recommend eating or vaporizing over smoking, it's just better for ya.


This is truly inspiring story. Colleges really should get with the program. Could you imagine instead of profs crashing undergrad parties and playing beer pong, if they would show up to a smaller group in the dorms with a bag of weed and some Socrates? Much cooler.
 
Pav
2012-12-19 07:43:53 PM  
I have a friend who was the biggest stoner from about the 9th grade through the age of about 30. He currently makes millions of dollars a year by always being the smartest person in the room. I know many more who still smoke from those days who make 6 figure salaries and do just fine. These studies seem to contradict all the evidence I have personally experienced. I would say if your stupid your stupid and if your smart your smart and how much pot you smoke makes no difference what so ever.
 
2012-12-19 07:46:47 PM  

whidbey: Well, subby, apparently people think marijuana is "dangerous" enough that they freaked out about a bunch of kids bringing pot brownies to school in Colorado and not telling anyone about it.


That's not fair though. That's like someone spiking a punch and not telling anyone about it. It's still a mind altering drug, and not actually knowing that your mind is about to be altered can seriously fark with a person.
 
Even though there's no chance of dying from it, if I had never partaken in the devil's plant, and didn't know I was partaking, I would probably freak out my first time too.
 
2012-12-19 07:47:56 PM  

Neondistraction: Surool: Neondistraction: Surool: It is exactly as dangerous as alcohol. Most people have known this for a long time.

Not really. When was the last time someone overdosed on pot? People die from alcohol poisoning all the time, but not once in all of recorded human history has anyone died from marijuana, it's simply not toxic enough.

The particulates and junk in your lungs can still give you emphysema. I've never been against pot, but I have never been so dumb as to ignore the downsides.

It can give you emphysema, if you smoke it (which you don't have to, there are other methods) and even then studies have shown an increased risk only in people who have a genetic history of emphysema to begin with.

Alcohol will slowly kill your liver, along with other organs and vital functions. Alcohol is also one of the few drugs that withdrawl from can actually be fatal.

Either is relatively safe if used in moderation, but my point is that claiming marijuana is as dangerous as alcohol is absurd.


What scale do we use for "danger"? As noted, it is provably much easier to die from a direct overdose of alcohol than from Cannabinoids, ingested by any means or method.

Then again, it is also technically much easier to induce hyponatremia, essentially to overdose on water, than die from an overdose of Cannabinoids ingested by any normal means (not to mention the number of child drowning deaths each year) yet most people would probably say that water is "harmless".

I am not suggesting that using Cannabis all day is as "harmless" as drinking water all day, but in terms of true critical and immediate "danger", using Cannabis would have to rank very, very low on any rational human being's scale of truly "dangerous behavior".

Outside of legitimate medicinal uses the use of Cannabis by children/adolescents should certainly be discouraged; but as you say, to even attempt to equate it with alcohol use/abuse, in terms of the actual "dangers" resulting from said usage, is an absurd lie. That holds true for adults and children alike.

It is also a shame that the popular mischaracterizations of the old "short term memory" studies of the 70's and 80's has led the general public to believe that Cannabis dramatically impairs memory, or learning functions. In truth, regular alcohol abuse is FAR more damaging to memory, both short term as well as long term, than is Cannabis use/abuse.

Personally, I believe it is a shame that nearly 50% of 8th graders DO believe that occasional Cannabis use is "harmful", in a relative sense. Most people seem to forget that it was actually legal for thousands of years, and has only been "illegal" here, at the federal level, for around 76 years.

/RE-legalize it
 
2012-12-19 07:49:21 PM  

Kazan: Weaver95: We are increasingly concerned that regular or daily use of marijuana is robbing many young people of their potential to achieve and excel in school or other aspects of life," said Dr. Nora D. Volkow, director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse, which is part of NIH.

Translation - f*cking NORML, we need to outlaw those sons of biatches!  how DARE they go around telling kids the truth!  we have to scare 'em while they're young or they'll never listen to our bullshiat ever again!


yeah.. because you're really able to learn when drunk/stoned.


Yeah, I can tell you know what you're talking about. You farktard.

/software engineer
//stoned all day
//I write your code, biatch!
 
2012-12-19 07:49:41 PM  

UsikFark: Why did this get bumped?



Why do you care?
 
Or, what has happened to you?
 
2012-12-19 07:50:01 PM  

The Short Bald Guy from Benny Hill: MooseUpNorth: Ah, great. I appreciate the info, everyone.

/ Every now and again one of my students asks me a stumper about things they shouldn't even have heard of, let alone actually be doing, and I'd rather have accurate info/advice for them.
// Like the 8th grader who asked me if anal can cause pregnancy. (It was a serious question, so I answered her seriously.)

What was your answer?


Pretty much that she should make "him" wear a condom regardless; that there's actually a slightly higher risk of STD transmission (some of them) due to abrasions and blood transfer. In retrospect, I suppose there's a non-zero risk of dripping when he pulls out, but I'm not really able to evaluate that (and I didn't think of it then).

/ I did, however, get the impression that it was a 'how much trouble am I in' moment, not a 'contemplating future mayhem' thing.
 
2012-12-19 07:51:32 PM  

scottydoesntknow: whidbey: Well, subby, apparently people think marijuana is "dangerous" enough that they freaked out about a bunch of kids bringing pot brownies to school in Colorado and not telling anyone about it.

That's not fair though. That's like someone spiking a punch and not telling anyone about it. It's still a mind altering drug, and not actually knowing that your mind is about to be altered can seriously fark with a person.


That may be, but you'd think with the laws in place that there's no distinction of whether the mind-altering substance is something mild like pot or totally intense like LSD.

We still have a very draconian legal view of cannabis. For no good reason. The "gateway drug" argument is bullshiat, and pretty much all of the negative view surrounding cannabis is because of people like Harry Anslinger, J Edgar Hoover and other seriously right-wing people in power.
 
2012-12-19 07:53:34 PM  

Pav: I have a friend who was the biggest stoner from about the 9th grade through the age of about 30. He currently makes millions of dollars a year by always being the smartest person in the room. I know many more who still smoke from those days who make 6 figure salaries and do just fine.


citation?
 
2012-12-19 07:54:06 PM  

hasty ambush: Pav: I have a friend who was the biggest stoner from about the 9th grade through the age of about 30. He currently makes millions of dollars a year by always being the smartest person in the room. I know many more who still smoke from those days who make 6 figure salaries and do just fine.

citation?


Fark off.
 
2012-12-19 07:54:59 PM  

whidbey: scottydoesntknow: whidbey: Well, subby, apparently people think marijuana is "dangerous" enough that they freaked out about a bunch of kids bringing pot brownies to school in Colorado and not telling anyone about it.

That's not fair though. That's like someone spiking a punch and not telling anyone about it. It's still a mind altering drug, and not actually knowing that your mind is about to be altered can seriously fark with a person.

That may be, but you'd think with the laws in place that there's no distinction of whether the mind-altering substance is something mild like pot or totally intense like LSD.

We still have a very draconian legal view of cannabis. For no good reason. The "gateway drug" argument is bullshiat, and pretty much all of the negative view surrounding cannabis is because of people like Harry Anslinger, J Edgar Hoover and other seriously right-wing people in power.


Agree 100%. I'd still kick the ass of anyone who spiked anything without people knowing.
 
2012-12-19 07:56:45 PM  

whidbey: hasty ambush: Pav: I have a friend who was the biggest stoner from about the 9th grade through the age of about 30. He currently makes millions of dollars a year by always being the smartest person in the room. I know many more who still smoke from those days who make 6 figure salaries and do just fine.

citation?

Fark off.


Well that was an eloquent, well reasoned, sober response.
 
2012-12-19 07:57:35 PM  

scottydoesntknow: We still have a very draconian legal view of cannabis. For no good reason. The "gateway drug" argument is bullshiat, and pretty much all of the negative view surrounding cannabis is because of people like Harry Anslinger, J Edgar Hoover and other seriously right-wing people in power.

Agree 100%. I'd still kick the ass of anyone who spiked anything without people knowing.


I'd honestly rather it were taken care of in that manner than wasting a bunch of police resources and inflating the charge to something absurd, like "conspiracy to poison using a controlled substance" or whatever BS they might call it.
 
2012-12-19 07:58:43 PM  

AbbeySomeone: taurusowner: I don't know if it's just correlation or causation. I've never met someone who regularly smoked weed who wasn't a total idiot. I'm not decisively saying that the weed made them an idiot, but that the two seem to go hand in hand somehow.


You're a cop. The intelligent smokers are upscale professionals and know how to avoid you.


Touche' sir.
 
2012-12-19 07:58:58 PM  

hasty ambush: whidbey: hasty ambush: Pav: I have a friend who was the biggest stoner from about the 9th grade through the age of about 30. He currently makes millions of dollars a year by always being the smartest person in the room. I know many more who still smoke from those days who make 6 figure salaries and do just fine.

citation?

Fark off.

Well that was an eloquent, well reasoned, sober response.


I honestly can't imagine how such an insensitive loaded obviously anti-drug attitude should be otherwise addressed.

You had no business asking it.
 
2012-12-19 08:01:16 PM  

BunkyBrewman: The parody of the anti-drug PSA.


Then there's this... :)
 
2012-12-19 08:02:03 PM  

The Short Bald Guy from Benny Hill: MooseUpNorth:
// Like the 8th grader who asked me if anal can cause pregnancy. (It was a serious question, so I answered her seriously.)

What was your answer?



Birds stop chirping.
The wind dies down.
Somewhere, a man is drinking a cup of coffee.
He freezes, with the cup at his lips.
 
2012-12-19 08:05:29 PM  

whidbey: hasty ambush: whidbey: hasty ambush: Pav: I have a friend who was the biggest stoner from about the 9th grade through the age of about 30. He currently makes millions of dollars a year by always being the smartest person in the room. I know many more who still smoke from those days who make 6 figure salaries and do just fine.

citation?

Fark off.

Well that was an eloquent, well reasoned, sober response.

I honestly can't imagine how such an insensitive loaded obviously anti-drug attitude should be otherwise addressed.

You had no business asking it.


And in some other people it it can increase the risk for developing psychotic symptoms and schizophreniform disorder. That doesn't make it 'harmless' or me 'anti-drug'.
 
2012-12-19 08:10:00 PM  

Legios: You had no business asking it.

And in some other people it it can increase the risk for developing psychotic symptoms and schizophreniform disorder. That doesn't make it 'harmless' or me 'anti-drug'.


I seriously doubt you're going to find much evidence supporting that statement. Not pertaining to adults, anyway.
 
2012-12-19 08:10:27 PM  

tortilla burger: I'd imagine the danger from marijuana is approximately on the same order as that of forks.



I don't know.  I mean, I've never known of anyone suffering a stab wound from a marijuana.
 
2012-12-19 08:12:39 PM  

whidbey: hasty ambush: whidbey: hasty ambush: Pav: I have a friend who was the biggest stoner from about the 9th grade through the age of about 30. He currently makes millions of dollars a year by always being the smartest person in the room. I know many more who still smoke from those days who make 6 figure salaries and do just fine.

citation?

Fark off.

Well that was an eloquent, well reasoned, sober response.

I honestly can't imagine how such an insensitive loaded obviously anti-drug attitude should be otherwise addressed.

You had no business asking it.


Don't make claims you can't back up. I know a man who makes millions bidding on abandon storage lockers in Somalia and his great great grandfather develped a funcitonal practical flying machine years before the Wright brothers but it was supressed by the railraoid interests.

It is not anti-drug, It is anti-stupidity. I am not anti-legalization just anti-there is no harm and it will be some kind of economic windfall to solve all our problems BS.

As for insensitive welcome to Fark. What are you, some girl?
 
2012-12-19 08:17:17 PM  

whidbey: Legios: You had no business asking it.

And in some other people it it can increase the risk for developing psychotic symptoms and schizophreniform disorder. That doesn't make it 'harmless' or me 'anti-drug'.

I seriously doubt you're going to find much evidence supporting that statement. Not pertaining to adults, anyway.


O RLY?
Based on a general population cohort from New Zealand (N = 1011), the Diagnostic and statistical Manual for Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition, criteria for cannabis dependency was used to identify cannabis-dependent participants at age 18 and 21 years. Self-reported rates of psychotic symptoms were significantly higher for those who were dependent compared with those who were not cannabis dependent at age 18 and 21 years.
 
2012-12-19 08:17:26 PM  

MooseUpNorth: What I know about marijuana could fit in one of those really small baggies (alongside what I know about Gangnam Style, Justin Bieber, and dubstep.) Serious question in need of a serious and reliable answer: Is there a small minority of people who are at some risk of a psychotic episode when on marijuana or is that just FUD from the abstinence-only crowd?



That part is true.  People describe it as being extremely overwhelming, and the episode tends to last much longer than a normal marijuana high, about a day or so instead of a few hours.
 
2012-12-19 08:18:53 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: UsikFark: Why did this get bumped?


Why do you care?

Or, what has happened to you?


Nothing I know of. Why?
 
2012-12-19 08:19:01 PM  

hasty ambush: It is not anti-drug, It is anti-stupidity. I am not anti-legalization just anti-there is no harm and it will be some kind of economic windfall to solve all our problems BS.


You're welcome to prove to the thread that there is significant enough harm and that taxing it would NOT be beneficial. I know you can't, though.

As for insensitive welcome to Fark. What are you, some girl?

I'm sorry I was a dick. But your post more than implies that you think pot is for losers, and that no good has ever come from it. I guess I just don't care for that outdated narrowminded point of view.
 
Pav
2012-12-19 08:21:08 PM  

Legios: whidbey: hasty ambush: whidbey: hasty ambush: Pav: I have a friend who was the biggest stoner from about the 9th grade through the age of about 30. He currently makes millions of dollars a year by always being the smartest person in the room. I know many more who still smoke from those days who make 6 figure salaries and do just fine.

citation?

Fark off.

Well that was an eloquent, well reasoned, sober response.

I honestly can't imagine how such an insensitive loaded obviously anti-drug attitude should be otherwise addressed.

You had no business asking it.

And in some other people it it can increase the risk for developing psychotic symptoms and schizophreniform disorder. That doesn't make it 'harmless' or me 'anti-drug'.


And what exactly would you like me to cite? I don't have any need to lie to people on chat boards. I assure you what I have said is true and if you don't believe me I don't really care. I know many many pot heads and in general most of them are doing better then most people I know who are anti. That being said my friend who makes millions only smokes on special occasions now because he is too busy. however it did nothing to hamper his intelligence.
 
2012-12-19 08:21:21 PM  

Legios: whidbey: Legios: You had no business asking it.

And in some other people it it can increase the risk for developing psychotic symptoms and schizophreniform disorder. That doesn't make it 'harmless' or me 'anti-drug'.

I seriously doubt you're going to find much evidence supporting that statement. Not pertaining to adults, anyway.

O RLY?
Based on a general population cohort from New Zealand (N = 1011), the Diagnostic and statistical Manual for Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition, criteria for cannabis dependency was used to identify cannabis-dependent participants at age 18 and 21 years. Self-reported rates of psychotic symptoms were significantly higher for those who were dependent compared with those who were not cannabis dependent at age 18 and 21 years.


YA rly. I am more than familiar with that information. I'm also familiar that people who are predisposed to mental illness start showing symptoms around that age.
 
2012-12-19 08:23:10 PM  

Pav: And what exactly would you like me to cite? I don't have any need to lie to people on chat boards. I assure you what I have said is true and if you don't believe me I don't really care. I know many many pot heads and in general most of them are doing better then most people I know who are anti. That being said my friend who makes millions only smokes on special occasions now because he is too busy. however it did nothing to hamper his intelligence.


I myself have problems with anecdotal evidence.

But it's noteworthy to mention that people who are successful (outside of the entertainment industry) aren't going to brag publicly about how much pot they smoke on or off the job.

That said, I'd love to see a study or survey.
 
2012-12-19 08:23:23 PM  

hasty ambush: whidbey: hasty ambush: whidbey: hasty ambush: Pav: I have a friend who was the biggest stoner from about the 9th grade through the age of about 30. He currently makes millions of dollars a year by always being the smartest person in the room. I know many more who still smoke from those days who make 6 figure salaries and do just fine.

citation?

Fark off.

Well that was an eloquent, well reasoned, sober response.

I honestly can't imagine how such an insensitive loaded obviously anti-drug attitude should be otherwise addressed.

You had no business asking it.

Don't make claims you can't back up. I know a man who makes millions bidding on abandon storage lockers in Somalia and his great great grandfather develped a funcitonal practical flying machine years before the Wright brothers but it was supressed by the railraoid interests.

It is not anti-drug, It is anti-stupidity. I am not anti-legalization just anti-there is no harm and it will be some kind of economic windfall to solve all our problems BS.

As for insensitive welcome to Fark. What are you, some girl?


Keep digging that hole. To be fair, you come off sounding like an asshole. Pot and success are not mutually exclusive.
 
2012-12-19 08:24:57 PM  

UsikFark: CapeFearCadaver: UsikFark: Why did this get bumped?


Why do you care?

Or, what has happened to you?

Nothing I know of. Why?



Just farking with you...
 
2012-12-19 08:28:38 PM  

pxlboy: Keep digging that hole. To be fair, you come off sounding like an asshole. Pot and success are not mutually exclusive.


If they were, why have 3/3 of the past presidents smoked pot?

/granted only 2/3 could be said to be "successful."
 
2012-12-19 08:29:23 PM  
Well tokers of Washington and Colorado, the bad news is that the Federal government is NOT going to back off on the weed ban.
 
The good news is that they're currently preoccupied with banning guns, so that may buy you some time.
 
 
/Smoke 'em if ya got 'em
 
2012-12-19 08:29:37 PM  

scottydoesntknow: whidbey: Well, subby, apparently people think marijuana is "dangerous" enough that they freaked out about a bunch of kids bringing pot brownies to school in Colorado and not telling anyone about it.

That's not fair though. That's like someone spiking a punch and not telling anyone about it. It's still a mind altering drug, and not actually knowing that your mind is about to be altered can seriously fark with a person.
 
Even though there's no chance of dying from it, if I had never partaken in the devil's plant, and didn't know I was partaking, I would probably freak out my first time too.



Even haven partaken of the plant myself, if I was fed a dose of it without knowing what I was eating, I'd freak out too.  What those kids did was messed up any way you slice it.
 
2012-12-19 08:31:13 PM  

Amos Quito: Well tokers of Washington and Colorado, the bad news is that the Federal government is NOT going to back off on the weed ban.


hurr

The good news is that they're currently preoccupied with banning guns, so that may buy you some time.

durr
 
2012-12-19 08:31:17 PM  
Weed should be legal, and there are certainly legal drugs which are more dangerous (alcohol and tobacco namely), but it's always amusing to me to hear stoners laud pot as some miracle substance with zero adverse effects.

It's one of the reasons I only occasional listen to Rogan's podcast. Dude, you like weed, great, but you sound like some burnt out hippie trying to convince people that it's a drug, a food, a textile, a medication, and a portal to interdimensional planes.
 
2012-12-19 08:31:48 PM  

Legios: And in some other people it it can increase the risk for developing psychotic symptoms and schizophreniform disorder. That doesn't make it 'harmless' or me 'anti-drug'.



Uh, no.  It can increase the odds that they start having episodes, but the disorder needs to have been there in the first place
 
2012-12-19 08:34:20 PM  

OgreMagi: That's easy enough to fix.
 
"Look at your parents.  They smoked a lot of pot when they were your age."
"OH SHIAT! I'm never touching pot again."


Heh, that might actually work.
 
Pav
2012-12-19 08:34:45 PM  

whidbey: Pav: And what exactly would you like me to cite? I don't have any need to lie to people on chat boards. I assure you what I have said is true and if you don't believe me I don't really care. I know many many pot heads and in general most of them are doing better then most people I know who are anti. That being said my friend who makes millions only smokes on special occasions now because he is too busy. however it did nothing to hamper his intelligence.

I myself have problems with anecdotal evidence.

But it's noteworthy to mention that people who are successful (outside of the entertainment industry) aren't going to brag publicly about how much pot they smoke on or off the job.

That said, I'd love to see a study or survey.


I'm not having an argument with anyone and I'm not trying to prove anything to anyone. I offer my insight for those who do not share my life experience on this subject. If you choose to disregard my post as anecdotal be my guest. No skin off my back.
 
2012-12-19 08:36:17 PM  

Kazan: Weaver95: We are increasingly concerned that regular or daily use of marijuana is robbing many young people of their potential to achieve and excel in school or other aspects of life," said Dr. Nora D. Volkow, director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse, which is part of NIH. 
 
Translation - f*cking NORML, we need to outlaw those sons of biatches!  how DARE they go around telling kids the truth!  we have to scare 'em while they're young or they'll never listen to our bullshiat ever again!


yeah.. because you're really able to learn when drunk/stoned.  


Depends on the person. Weed helped me focus when i was studying. If i didn't have any, i was all over the place...
 
2012-12-19 08:37:24 PM  

basemetal: They're upset because they are afraid the stoner kids never amount to anything and end up living in their basements forever while littering the place with cheeto dust and 2L mt dew bottles.

 
 
yeah... we all know stoners never amount to anything...
 
twimg0-a.akamaihd.net
 
2012-12-19 08:38:36 PM  

farkingismybusiness: It's a gateway drug.


I don't know, if anything was a gateway drug for me, it was the booze.

On different occasions it has opened me up to experimenting with weed, ecstasy, xanny bars, oxy, and cigarettes.

/hooked on the smokes, damn you Marlboro!
//gave up the booze a couple years ago
///the other things I never did more than once or twice.
 
2012-12-19 08:38:44 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Weed should be legal, and there are certainly legal drugs which are more dangerous (alcohol and tobacco namely), but it's always amusing to me to hear stoners laud pot as some miracle substance with zero adverse effects.


I'm sure it is.
 
2012-12-19 08:42:19 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: UsikFark: CapeFearCadaver: UsikFark: Why did this get bumped?


Why do you care?

Or, what has happened to you?

Nothing I know of. Why?


Just farking with you...


Hey, no freebies! That costs extra.
 
2012-12-19 08:44:15 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: zero adverse effects.


No one is saying that, stop perpetuating that lie.
 
2012-12-19 08:44:26 PM  

whidbey: Legios: whidbey: Legios: You had no business asking it.

And in some other people it it can increase the risk for developing psychotic symptoms and schizophreniform disorder. That doesn't make it 'harmless' or me 'anti-drug'.

I seriously doubt you're going to find much evidence supporting that statement. Not pertaining to adults, anyway.

O RLY?
Based on a general population cohort from New Zealand (N = 1011), the Diagnostic and statistical Manual for Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition, criteria for cannabis dependency was used to identify cannabis-dependent participants at age 18 and 21 years. Self-reported rates of psychotic symptoms were significantly higher for those who were dependent compared with those who were not cannabis dependent at age 18 and 21 years.

YA rly. I am more than familiar with that information. I'm also familiar that people who are predisposed to mental illness start showing symptoms around that age.


So the fact that the information states that those who are admitted and self-reported psychotic episodes are more likely in people who have cannabis dependency proves there's no correlation whatsoever?

/By the way, the mean age of onset for schizophrenia spectrum disorders is 24.14 years (SD = 7.58 years; range: 15-51 years). Not 18 or 21. But I'm sure you knew that.
//Eh, I've had enough of this pissing match...
 
2012-12-19 08:45:43 PM  

Legios: /By the way, the mean age of onset for schizophrenia spectrum disorders is 24.14 years


Damn, I got one year before this weed gives me schizophrenia.
 
2012-12-19 08:46:16 PM  

Legios: whidbey: Legios: whidbey: Legios: You had no business asking it.

And in some other people it it can increase the risk for developing psychotic symptoms and schizophreniform disorder. That doesn't make it 'harmless' or me 'anti-drug'.

I seriously doubt you're going to find much evidence supporting that statement. Not pertaining to adults, anyway.

O RLY?
Based on a general population cohort from New Zealand (N = 1011), the Diagnostic and statistical Manual for Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition, criteria for cannabis dependency was used to identify cannabis-dependent participants at age 18 and 21 years. Self-reported rates of psychotic symptoms were significantly higher for those who were dependent compared with those who were not cannabis dependent at age 18 and 21 years.

YA rly. I am more than familiar with that information. I'm also familiar that people who are predisposed to mental illness start showing symptoms around that age.

So the fact that the information states that those who are admitted and self-reported psychotic episodes are more likely in people who have cannabis dependency proves there's no correlation whatsoever?


No, the fact you keep ignoring the bold part is kind of annoying, though.

/By the way, the mean age of onset for schizophrenia spectrum disorders is 24.14 years (SD = 7.58 years; range: 15-51 years). Not 18 or 21. But I'm sure you knew that.
//Eh, I've had enough of this pissing match...


Why not just admit that marijuana is relatively harmless, and take it from there?
 
2012-12-19 08:46:32 PM  

taurusowner: I don't know if it's just correlation or causation. I've never met someone who regularly smoked weed who wasn't a total idiot. I'm not decisively saying that the weed made them an idiot, but that the two seem to go hand in hand somehow.


You just haven't met the right people.

/besides, you drive a taurus, what do you know? :p
 
2012-12-19 08:49:45 PM  

Optimus Primate: Dangerous? You should see some of the stuff I have done on Jack Daniels. It's lucky I am still alive. Never had anything even close with good ol' herb. Unless sitting on the couch is considered dangerous?

 

tortilla burger: Should be corrected to: "Teenagers no longer believe that marijuana is dangerous because they know that it's not".

 
All things have some inherent level of danger to them; calling something dangerous implies some risk of injury far greater than the average object, say a fork. I'd imagine the danger from marijuana is approximately on the same order as that of forks.
 
beachhutting.files.wordpress.com
 
Don't underestimate the health risks of forks and couches.
 
2012-12-19 08:52:41 PM  
Anyone, ever, claiming pot is a 'Gateway drug' doesn't know what the words 'Gateway' nor 'Drug' mean in this context. It's an astoundingly inaccurate portrayal of pot. I'd be just as incensed if they referred to alcohol as a gateway drug, or children's aspirin.

Hello, might as well call 'listening to music' a gateway drug. Or having fun in general. Sex maybe. Perhaps tag.
 
2012-12-19 08:53:03 PM  

dopekitty74: taurusowner: I don't know if it's just correlation or causation. I've never met someone who regularly smoked weed who wasn't a total idiot. I'm not decisively saying that the weed made them an idiot, but that the two seem to go hand in hand somehow.

You just haven't met the right people.

/besides, you drive a taurus, what do you know? :p


It's not that he drives a taurus, it's that he's proud enough of it to make it his fark login.
 
2012-12-19 08:53:40 PM  

whidbey: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Weed should be legal, and there are certainly legal drugs which are more dangerous (alcohol and tobacco namely), but it's always amusing to me to hear stoners laud pot as some miracle substance with zero adverse effects.

I'm sure it is.


Oh god, I see one of the mole people is trolling the shiat out of this thread. Is this crossposted to politics or something?
 
2012-12-19 08:54:15 PM  
Just show medical facts to kids and the negative effects of drugs to their brain and health. If there's scientific proof that something can lead to a dangerous situation, then it'll be the best way to stop kids from killing themselves.

No point saying "Jesus hates drugs" or other weird stuff. Just go with the facts.
 
2012-12-19 08:55:01 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: basemetal: They're upset because they are afraid the stoner kids never amount to anything and end up living in their basements forever while littering the place with cheeto dust and 2L mt dew bottles.
 
 
yeah... we all know stoners never amount to anything...
 

 
 
twimg0-a.akamaihd.net
 
Yeah...
 
upload.wikimedia.org
 
Too bad weed can't cure hypocrisy.
 
2012-12-19 08:55:12 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: basemetal: They're upset because they are afraid the stoner kids never amount to anything and end up living in their basements forever while littering the place with cheeto dust and 2L mt dew bottles.


yeah... we all know stoners never amount to anything...

[twimg0-a.akamaihd.net image 182x247]



Amounting to anything and being a celebrity are two different things.


www.hollywoodbackwash.com
 
2012-12-19 08:55:25 PM  

UsikFark: CapeFearCadaver: UsikFark: CapeFearCadaver: UsikFark: Why did this get bumped?


Why do you care?

Or, what has happened to you?

Nothing I know of. Why?


Just farking with you...

Hey, no freebies! That costs extra.



Whatevar. I do what I want.
 
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
Just 'cause.... I'm about to watch this.... again....
 
2012-12-19 09:00:11 PM  

Legios: whidbey: Legios: You had no business asking it.

And in some other people it it can increase the risk for developing psychotic symptoms and schizophreniform disorder. That doesn't make it 'harmless' or me 'anti-drug'.

I seriously doubt you're going to find much evidence supporting that statement. Not pertaining to adults, anyway.

O RLY?
Based on a general population cohort from New Zealand (N = 1011), the Diagnostic and statistical Manual for Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition, criteria for cannabis dependency was used to identify cannabis-dependent participants at age 18 and 21 years. Self-reported rates of psychotic symptoms were significantly higher for those who were dependent compared with those who were not cannabis dependent at age 18 and 21 years.



Hmmm, I wonder how many of these "psychotic pot addicts" might have been self-medicating?
 
2012-12-19 09:02:12 PM  

Amos Quito: HindiDiscoMonster: basemetal: They're upset because they are afraid the stoner kids never amount to anything and end up living in their basements forever while littering the place with cheeto dust and 2L mt dew bottles.
 
 
yeah... we all know stoners never amount to anything...

[twimg0-a.akamaihd.net image 182x247]
 
Yeah...
 
[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x299]
 
Too bad weed can't cure hypocrisy.

 
 
oh hypocrisy is an altogether different kind of evil animal... and I doubt we will ever cure that... unfortunately.
 
2012-12-19 09:03:54 PM  
images1.wikia.nocookie.net

Well, Stan, the truth is marijuana probably isn't gonna make you kill people, and it most likely isn't gonna fund terrorism, but... Well son, pot makes you feel fine with being bored. It's when you're bored that you should be learning some new skill or discovering some new science or being creative. If you smoke pot you may grow up to find out that you aren't good at anything.
 
2012-12-19 09:09:23 PM  

Amos Quito: Legios: whidbey: Legios: You had no business asking it.

And in some other people it it can increase the risk for developing psychotic symptoms and schizophreniform disorder. That doesn't make it 'harmless' or me 'anti-drug'.

I seriously doubt you're going to find much evidence supporting that statement. Not pertaining to adults, anyway.

O RLY?
Based on a general population cohort from New Zealand (N = 1011), the Diagnostic and statistical Manual for Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition, criteria for cannabis dependency was used to identify cannabis-dependent participants at age 18 and 21 years. Self-reported rates of psychotic symptoms were significantly higher for those who were dependent compared with those who were not cannabis dependent at age 18 and 21 years.


Hmmm, I wonder how many of these "psychotic pot addicts" might have been self-medicating?


Most of the people I know who are heavy users (like, they smoke blunts and bowls like cigarettes) definitely are self medicating.

One of my friends couldn't smoke for 10 months while he was on drug-tested probation, and he became a raging alcoholic during that time.

People who aren't comfortable sober have a problem.

Keep on mind I'm not referring to recreaional users who smoke a couple nights a week or while at a show or something.
 
2012-12-19 09:17:01 PM  
The hazard of saying marijuana is horrible is this:

When people inevitably discover that marijuana is NOT horrible, they will then mistrust all the other anti-drug propaganda... even regarding those drugs that ARE horrible, like meth and heroine.

As usual, telling the truth here would've had a better long-term outcome. (Better for everyone except for-profit prisons, and the many county budgets propped up by DUI convictions.)
 
2012-12-19 09:20:45 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: People who aren't comfortable sober have a problem.

Keep on mind I'm not referring to recreaional users who smoke a couple nights a week or while at a show or something.


No, but your stereotyping is still hilariously full of crap.
 
2012-12-19 09:22:34 PM  
I heard from an educational film that it will turn all our children into hooligans and whores.
 
2012-12-19 09:28:10 PM  

El Dudereno: I heard from an educational film that it will turn all our children into hooligans and whores.

 
 
24.media.tumblr.com
oh and jazz artists too...
 
2012-12-19 09:32:40 PM  
No, we don't, and I'm surprised by the fact that "today parents" are so upset. I sure don't plan on holding back the fact that I smoked my share of weed in my teens and early 20's (probably your share too) but I also did it responsibly, only with people I knew and made sure I either had a safe way home, or a place to crash until I could get home myself.
 
2012-12-19 09:35:26 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: There was a 4 hour window in the early 80's right after Nancy Reagan's appearance on Diff'rent Strokes when I thought pot was dangerous.


Watchoo talkin bout, Uranus?
 
2012-12-19 09:43:13 PM  

whidbey: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: People who aren't comfortable sober have a problem.

Keep on mind I'm not referring to recreaional users who smoke a couple nights a week or while at a show or something.

No, but your stereotyping is still hilariously full of crap.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-12-19 09:45:09 PM  
dl.dropbox.com
 
2012-12-19 09:50:37 PM  

NutWrench: [dl.dropbox.com image 252x400]


t0.gstatic.com
What, no...fava beans?
 
2012-12-19 09:53:51 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Amos Quito: Legios: whidbey: Legios: You had no business asking it.

 
And in some other people it it can increase the risk for developing psychotic symptoms and schizophreniform disorder. That doesn't make it 'harmless' or me 'anti-drug'.
 
I seriously doubt you're going to find much evidence supporting that statement. Not pertaining to adults, anyway.
 
O RLY?
Based on a general population cohort from New Zealand (N = 1011), the Diagnostic and statistical Manual for Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition, criteria for cannabis dependency was used to identify cannabis-dependent participants at age 18 and 21 years. Self-reported rates of psychotic symptoms were significantly higher for those who were dependent compared with those who were not cannabis dependent at age 18 and 21 years.

 
 
Hmmm, I wonder how many of these "psychotic pot addicts" might have been self-medicating?
 
Most of the people I know who are heavy users (like, they smoke blunts and bowls like cigarettes) definitely are self medicating.
 
One of my friends couldn't smoke for 10 months while he was on drug-tested probation, and he became a raging alcoholic during that time.
 
People who aren't comfortable sober have a problem.
 
Keep on mind I'm not referring to recreaional users who smoke a couple nights a week or while at a show or something.
 
 
From the time I was 16 until I was 28, I smoked all day every day. My motto was, "I can do anything normally when I'm stoned, because I'm normally stoned".
 
During that time I finished my education and started my business, which I still run to this day, I was bright, ambitious, determined and undauntable. I wasn't fond of alcohol and almost never drank - it made me sleepy, and I just didn't like the alcohol buzz, or the loss of coordination and control.
 
Mrs. Quito, bless her heart, was worried about the legality issues - especially after the kids came along, and she gently but continually urged, nay, begged me to quit, so I did.
 
Quitting weed was really not difficult, I missed it, but it was not like there were any kinds of physical withdrawals, etc.
 
And that's when I started drinking. I worked my ass off in my business, and I really felt that I needed SOMETHING to unwind at the end of the day. I would have preferred weed, but I went to alcohol instead. - first 2-3 beers a night, but before long I was putting away a half bottle of good scotch every farking night. And that's when things got ugly.
 
I NEVER drink and drive, solid policy, but the booze really started to fark with my physical, mental and emotional health, and my drunken behavior REALLY put a strain on my life - my business performance and my role as a husband and father.
 
So finally I quit the scotch, and these days I drink a few beers in the evening to unwind. Funny, I STILL don't like being drunk, and I know damn well that the alcohol has been far more detrimental than weed could ever have been - and so does Mrs. Quito, bless her heart.
 
All thanks to the lesser of two "evils" being illegal.
 
I went over 20 years without taking a puff of weed, drinking the whole time. When I finally did break my "fast", it was my (then adult) son who offered me the first puff.
 
LOL!
 
I actually did resume smoking on occasion for a while, but it seems the alcohol habit is harder to quit than the ganja, so these days I just drink beer and smoke cigarettes.
 
All nice and legal.
 
 
/CSB
 
2012-12-19 09:57:42 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: have multiple cop friends who smoke; they also have a set testing date, but... well, yeah


What do they do when they encounter marijuana offenses on the job? Because it would be tough for me, if I was a cop, to rectify the hypocrisy of having to enforce marijuana laws while using it at the same time.
 
2012-12-19 09:59:11 PM  

Amos Quito:
From the time I was 16 until I was 28, I smoked all day every day. My motto was, "I can do anything normally when I'm stoned, because I'm normally stoned".

During that time I finished my education and started my business, which I still run to this day, I was bright, ambitious, determined and undauntable. I wasn't fond of alcohol and almost never drank - it made me sleepy, and I just didn't like the alcohol buzz, or the loss of coordination and control.

Mrs. Quito, bless her heart, was worried about the legality issues - especially after the kids came along, and she gently but continually urged, nay, begged me to qu ...


Yeah, I think for your average person, weed is the much better choice when it comes to using a substance to help you unwind or enhance a relaxing situation. Even smoking all day every day is a much better option than drinking heavily, both mentally and physically.
 
2012-12-19 10:02:30 PM  

3 G's: I am not suggesting that using Cannabis all day is as "harmless" as drinking water all day, but in terms of true critical and immediate "danger", using Cannabis would have to rank very, very low on any rational human being's scale of truly "dangerous behavior".


The funny thing is not a single person has ever died from overdosing on marijuana. People have died from drinking too much water(i.e. hyponatraemia).
 
2012-12-19 10:04:17 PM  

Acharne: Surool: It is exactly as dangerous as alcohol. Most people have known this for a long time.

0/10


The dozen times my post was quoted proves your rating wrong. Plus, you can never give a zero if you yourself respond.
 
2012-12-19 10:11:09 PM  

Surool: Acharne: Surool: It is exactly as dangerous as alcohol. Most people have known this for a long time.

0/10

The dozen times my post was quoted proves your rating wrong. Plus, you can never give a zero if you yourself respond.


-1/10
 
2012-12-19 10:11:11 PM  

Surool: The dozen times my post was quoted proves your rating wrong. Plus, you can never give a zero if you yourself respond.


At least you're admitting you're a troll.
 
2012-12-19 10:15:05 PM  

Surool: Acharne: Surool: It is exactly as dangerous as alcohol. Most people have known this for a long time.

0/10

The dozen times my post was quoted proves your rating wrong. Plus, you can never give a zero if you yourself respond.


It's not a sport. I scored you based on my opinion of the post, not how well you did at trolling people. None of this changes anything, the only result when trolls troll is that they expose the fact that even their grand mothers were raised poorly.
 
2012-12-19 10:17:04 PM  

beer4breakfast: CapeFearCadaver: have multiple cop friends who smoke; they also have a set testing date, but... well, yeah

What do they do when they encounter marijuana offenses on the job? Because it would be tough for me, if I was a cop, to rectify the hypocrisy of having to enforce marijuana laws while using it at the same time.


I figure it goes something like this "Give me that pot! I'm letting you off with a warning, so I won't have to report this, and thus don't have to buy weed this week,"
 
2012-12-19 10:20:58 PM  

beer4breakfast: CapeFearCadaver: have multiple cop friends who smoke; they also have a set testing date, but... well, yeah

What do they do when they encounter marijuana offenses on the job? Because it would be tough for me, if I was a cop, to rectify the hypocrisy of having to enforce marijuana laws while using it at the same time.



Actually, they take the same stance the cops/deputies did when we were young/kids... if it's just a little, ignore; depending on age. If they're obviously kids, shake the stuff into the grass (ground) and move around with boot, say 'y'all be good now, ya hear?'. It's also become largely decriminalized at this point, so unless it's heavy duty distributing or large scale grow it mostly looked over anyways.
 
2012-12-19 10:27:50 PM  

Acharne: Surool: Acharne: Surool: It is exactly as dangerous as alcohol. Most people have known this for a long time.

0/10

The dozen times my post was quoted proves your rating wrong. Plus, you can never give a zero if you yourself respond.

It's not a sport. I scored you based on my opinion of the post, not how well you did at trolling people. None of this changes anything, the only result when trolls troll is that they expose the fact that even their grand mothers were raised poorly.


I give him/her a 0.000000420/10
 
2012-12-19 10:29:46 PM  

thisisyourbrainonFark: I give him/her a 0.000000420/10


Pretty sure it's a 0/0
 
2012-12-19 10:36:31 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.comimg.ibtimes.com
 
img1.fark.net  Pot calls kettle "black"!
 
 
/Film at eleven
 
2012-12-19 10:37:30 PM  

TheJoe03: Surool: The dozen times my post was quoted proves your rating wrong. Plus, you can never give a zero if you yourself respond.

At least you're admitting you're a troll.


I live in Washington State and I voted to make it legal. I had intended my initial comment to be a joke about neither one of those intoxicants being appreciably harmful and everyone knowing that... but I never take into account the evangelists. I couldn't help troll those dipsh*ts when they started being unnecessarily combative about my comment. You'd think you wouldn't need to tell weed advocates to smoke a bowl and lighten the f*ck up.
 
2012-12-19 10:38:08 PM  

Amos Quito: /Film at eleven


So when you used to smoke pot constantly were you still that anal about authority figures?
 
2012-12-19 10:45:00 PM  

scottydoesntknow: gopher321: ...said Mom & Dad as they finished their gin &tonic and scotch respectively...


Don't forget the prescription pills like Prozac to treat the anxiety of talking to your kids about drugs (or gays).


Or gay drugs.
 
2012-12-19 10:45:32 PM  
Great headline Subby.

/GOLF CLAP

//On the other hand, maybe this generation will figure out that they only get the government they earn, and thereby deserve. Sort of learn to stand on their hind legs, so to speak, instead of on their knees sucking cock and getting boned in the ass, just so they can get as much of theirs that they can. Come to think of it, that soundx just exactly the kind of party I will be heading to as soon as I finish toasting this bowl.

///Why, yes, I am completely frosted. Why do you ask?
 
2012-12-19 10:46:55 PM  

whidbey: Amos Quito: /Film at eleven

 
So when you used to smoke pot constantly were you still that anal about authority figures HYPOCRITES?
 
 
I have always despised hypocrisy.
 
Ah Whidbey. You loves the ganja and yet worships "Roundup - the Weed Killer" Obama.
 
 
How does your head not assplode?
 
2012-12-19 10:48:08 PM  

Surool: I couldn't help troll those dipsh*ts when they started being unnecessarily combative about my comment.


Your comment was unnecessarily combative. Do you even understand the effects of speaking out loud in a public room? I bet you're one of those "The constitution protects my right to yell 'Fire' in a theatre' farkwits."

See, if you troll, knowingly, and then get mad at those calling you a troll, you're just double plus unneeded in this, or any thread.

Or on Fark for that matter, go away. You contribute nothing.
 
2012-12-19 10:48:49 PM  

BradleyUffner: snocone: How can the truth about pot be supressed for 80 years and the plans for a thermonuclear device be on the internet?

How is the truth about pot suppressed? There are millions of websites on the internet that are pro-pot. Probably more than those for thermonuclear devices.


We need more pro-thermonuclear-devices websites. Randy Newman could do the music.
 
2012-12-19 10:50:07 PM  

Urmuf Hamer: Great headline Subby.

/GOLF CLAP

//On the other hand, maybe this generation will figure out that they only get the government they earn, and thereby deserve. Sort of learn to stand on their hind legs, so to speak, instead of on their knees sucking cock and getting boned in the ass, just so they can get as much of theirs that they can. Come to think of it, that soundx just exactly the kind of party I will be heading to as soon as I finish toasting this bowl.

///Why, yes, I am completely frosted. Why do you ask?



You have yourself a FABULOUS evening, Urm!
 
2012-12-19 10:50:45 PM  
The main reason marijuana should at least be rescheduled is so it can finally be studied scientifically. Based on anecdotal reports, it would seem pot is likely a better and safer drug for ADD/ADHD than the current crop of stimulants; but we'll never know, because nobody is going to do a double-blind study of pot on hyperactive ten-year olds while it's a Schedule I narcotic. It would be wonderful if the calming agent in pot could be isolated and given to kids instead of Ritalin, and if pot were available to ADHD adults or even hypomanic bipolar patients who'd rather not take SSRIs but who need something to get through the day.
 
For the rest, it's entirely possible that the brain damage seen in long-term chronic smokers is caused as much by the SMOKING as it is by the pot--but again, we'll never know because of scientists' inability to do scientific testing on the drug, and having to rely on post-mortem or self-reported studies on users who have no idea about the strength or purity of the drug they were using. (How much did you use? Oh, anywhere from a bowl to like sixteen grams a day, depending on if it was available, you know...) It could be that THC does some long-term damage to the brain; or it could be that impurities in the plant itself, or interactions in the fertilizer do it. Who knows?
 
As far as "weed makes you into a loser," that's demonstrably false. Losers find excuses to lay around and do nothing all day. Weed is the current one, but if it magically disappeared, all those dope-smokers wouldn't become productive members of society. They'd still lay around and do nothing, they'd just switch to beer, or donuts, or navel-gazing. There have been losers around long before pot, and they'll be here forever. Legalizing pot won't change anything vis a vis dullards who want to sit around and get high. That's a poor excuse.
 
2012-12-19 10:54:58 PM  

Breathe Laugh Twitch: When people inevitably discover that marijuana is NOT horrible, they will then mistrust all the other anti-drug propaganda... even regarding those drugs that ARE horrible, like meth and heroine.


Like, Wonder Woman?
 
2012-12-19 10:55:39 PM  

Acharne: Surool: I couldn't help troll those dipsh*ts when they started being unnecessarily combative about my comment.

Your comment was unnecessarily combative. Do you even understand the effects of speaking out loud in a public room? I bet you're one of those "The constitution protects my right to yell 'Fire' in a theatre' farkwits."

See, if you troll, knowingly, and then get mad at those calling you a troll, you're just double plus unneeded in this, or any thread.

Or on Fark for that matter, go away. You contribute nothing.


So, you read nothing and went off on a jag. I love the little story you made up about what kind of person you fantasize about.

I made a joke, and people went hyper-defensive for no reason. The trolling didn't start until people manufactured reasons to be offended (like you manufactured that first amendment story... wtf is that about?). If you were one of them who reacted that way, admit it. Don't be such a baby. Go make up stories on your blog.
 
2012-12-19 10:56:15 PM  

Amos Quito: Ah Whidbey. You loves the ganja and yet worships "Roundup - the Weed Killer" Obama.


How does your head not assplode?


It's intact (thanks for asking) because I don't make nor buy into such disingenuities as your statement(s).

And I'm pretty sure Obama gave the home state of Washington his blessing, no matter how cautious. Jelly much?
 
2012-12-19 11:01:03 PM  

whidbey: Amos Quito: Ah Whidbey. You loves the ganja and yet worships "Roundup - the Weed Killer" Obama.


How does your head not assplode?

It's intact (thanks for asking) because I don't make nor buy into such disingenuities as your statement(s).

And I'm pretty sure Obama gave the home state of Washington his blessing, no matter how cautious. Jelly much?


How much do you think the federal side of this will be affected by the fact Obama doesn't need to look tough on drugs to get re-elected?
 
2012-12-19 11:03:16 PM  

Surool: Acharne: Surool: I couldn't help troll those dipsh*ts when they started being unnecessarily combative about my comment.

Your comment was unnecessarily combative. Do you even understand the effects of speaking out loud in a public room? I bet you're one of those "The constitution protects my right to yell 'Fire' in a theatre' farkwits."

See, if you troll, knowingly, and then get mad at those calling you a troll, you're just double plus unneeded in this, or any thread.

Or on Fark for that matter, go away. You contribute nothing.

So, you read nothing and went off on a jag. I love the little story you made up about what kind of person you fantasize about.

I made a joke, and people went hyper-defensive for no reason. The trolling didn't start until people manufactured reasons to be offended (like you manufactured that first amendment story... wtf is that about?). If you were one of them who reacted that way, admit it. Don't be such a baby. Go make up stories on your blog.


Your very Boobies was a troll. I'm not even commenting here on the subject of the thread, just your trolltastic post. Don't try to claim you were spurned to action as a result of butthurt. You just trolled, got called on it, and now want to just keep going.

As for the comment about the first amendment, sometimes people will claim free speech is absolute. Trolls will often try and protect their comments not because they really think, deep down, that the comment was meaningful, but because they have an old consitutional sibling to run to in the yard. The example stands. The 'yelling fire in a theatre' is an argument probably two hundred years old than I am, so no, I did not make it up.

As for what you think you are accomplishing here, you are not.
 
2012-12-19 11:18:22 PM  

Acharne: Your very Boobies was a troll.

lol!

...and commenting on the non filtered sentence you typed, no, it wasn't a troll. That interpretation of my statement hadn't occurred to me. It certainly wasn't a cause to flip out.

I'm not even commenting here on the subject of the thread...Blah blah blah

I hope you are giving that chicken a reach-around if you insist on f*cking it so relentlessly
 
2012-12-19 11:29:39 PM  

Surool: Acharne: Surool: It is exactly as dangerous as alcohol. Most people have known this for a long time.

0/10

The dozen times my post was quoted proves your rating wrong. Plus, you can never give a zero if you yourself respond.


i.imgur.com
Never show your hand.
 
2012-12-19 11:31:17 PM  
Pot is horrendously harmful to you ... if you are caught by the police with it.

Really, the only harm from pot is that it is a terrific way to waste gobs of time. Since the only thing you really have in life is time, that's pretty significant.
 
2012-12-19 11:44:24 PM  

joonyer: /software engineer
//stoned all day
//I write your code, biatch!


LOL don't brag to me of all people about being a software engineer.
 
I write your operating system, biatch.
 
2012-12-19 11:48:04 PM  

farkingismybusiness: Never show your hand.


I got called, the hand was over... yet, still getting responses.
 
2012-12-19 11:50:29 PM  

Surool: Acharne: Your very Boobies was a troll. lol!

...and commenting on the non filtered sentence you typed, no, it wasn't a troll. That interpretation of my statement hadn't occurred to me. It certainly wasn't a cause to flip out.

I'm not even commenting here on the subject of the thread...Blah blah blah

I hope you are giving that chicken a reach-around if you insist on f*cking it so relentlessly


Alright, one last go. At the risk of regretting replying to a troll again, I'll bite one last time. I completely understand the argument that the the people for weed, sometimes are a little bit too for weed. This rabidness with which anyone against weed is attacked in this thread is good evidence of that. I can see this being a reason to post and even post something trying to diffuse it. However, the position that often gets taken on the other viewpoint is that weed is bad, weed is a gateway drug, why not just drink etc, yadda yadda, you've heard it all, same as me. Especially if you're in Washington, you heard it all much louder and more recently than I have. So knowing this, knowing the arguments for and against, you elected to stir up the people on both sides. Intentionally. While you may very well have been simply reminding people to chill out, it looks like an intentional fanning of the flames. The point, or aim of your post needed to be explained after the fact, but the effect of it was pronounced. Personally, I think you're trolling, needlessly. However, there is enough merit to what you're saying I feel there is room for a mea culpa in all of it and it's worth me taking a couple minutes to type this all out. What you do with it is up to you. I tried to point out that the subject of the thread was not relevant to why I took umbrage with your post, but I think you deflected that with the whole 'farking the chicken' comment. It's completely fair for me to point out that you're derailing or not contributing, no matter if you voted for or against weed. I don't care what your position is, I care how facts are represented. You knowingly, and apparently lovingly, crafted a misrepresentation of the facts, and you weren't treated nicely as a result. You made your bed too.

Anyways, you did remind me to chill out, so hopefully you'll take my post with the good nature it was intended.
 
2012-12-19 11:50:31 PM  

plewis: Pot is horrendously harmful to you ... if you are caught by the police with it.

 
Really, the only harm from pot is that it is a terrific way to waste gobs of time. Since the only thing you really have in life is time, that's pretty significant.
 
 
Hmmm...
 
So pot is like an illegal version of Fark?
 
2012-12-19 11:54:08 PM  

Amos Quito: plewis: Pot is horrendously harmful to you ... if you are caught by the police with it.

Really, the only harm from pot is that it is a terrific way to waste gobs of time. Since the only thing you really have in life is time, that's pretty significant.


Hmmm...

So pot is like an illegal version of Fark?


My dealer called, he said he had the regular stuff, but that if I spend an extra $5 monthly I could get the really really good stuff no one else can get.
 
2012-12-19 11:56:30 PM  
I'd much rather have teenagers smoking weed than messing around with alcohol or worse prescription pills.

Dear Parents: Weed is not the drug menace that the government makes it out to be. The real drug menace that directly affects your kids is the abuse of legal prescription drugs. Pill abuse doesn't have the social stigma of driving to a drug corner to purchase the drug, making it more appealing to middle-class users. Eventually, the user develops physically addicted to the opioids and is forced to either pay the huge markup for illegal pills....or switch to cheaper street heroin.

The majority of young middle-class heroin users started on the legal painkillers and then switched to dope because they simple could no longer afford to support their Oxycodone habit. Marijuana isn't the gateway drug, the shiat in your medicine cabinet is.
 
2012-12-20 12:12:13 AM  

Acharne: Amos Quito: plewis: Pot is horrendously harmful to you ... if you are caught by the police with it.

 
Really, the only harm from pot is that it is a terrific way to waste gobs of time. Since the only thing you really have in life is time, that's pretty significant.
 
 
Hmmm...
 
So pot is like an illegal version of Fark?
 
 
My dealer called, he said he had the regular stuff, but that if I spend an extra $5 monthly I could get the really really good stuff no one else can get.
 
 
DON'T DO IT!!!
 
 
/It's overrated AND addictive.
//Save your soul, son
///Trust me on this one
 
2012-12-20 12:25:21 AM  

JPSimonetti: I just don't like people that say it's completely safe. A few people in this thread have implied that. It's not 100% safe. If you want to be constructive, supportive, and actually beneficial to the movement of having buttseks legalized, you need to admit that the tests and studies have been done by independent, unbiased groups and that buttseks is dangerous and under what circumstances that danger elevates. It's not a terrible act, but there are risks as with any act.

If you run around preaching that buttseks is harmless you just sound like an idiot and actually make everyone else involved in the movement look bad. Educate yourself before you open your mouth. Maybe then you'll have a better come-back in debates than claiming it's a government conspiracy telling everyone buttseks has risks.


Now its funny and makes more sense.
 
2012-12-20 12:28:04 AM  

Surool: It is exactly as dangerous as alcohol. Most people have known this for a long time.


You're full of shiat.
 
2012-12-20 12:42:19 AM  

Acharne: Alright, one last go. At the risk of regretting replying to a troll again, I'll bite one last time. I completely understand the argument that the the people for weed, sometimes are a little bit too for weed. This rabidness with which anyone against weed is attacked in this thread is good evidence of that. I can see this being a reason to post and even post something trying to diffuse it. However, the position that often gets taken on the other viewpoint is that weed is bad, weed is a gateway drug, why not just drink etc, yadda yadda, you've heard it all, same as me. Especially if you're in Washington, you heard it all much louder and more recently than I have. So knowing this, knowing the arguments for and against, you elected to stir up the people on both sides. Intentionally. While you may very well have been simply reminding people to chill out, it looks like an intentional fanning of the flames. The point, or aim of your post needed to be explained after the fact, but the effect of it was pronounced. Personally, I think you're trolling, needlessly. However, there is enough merit to what you're saying I feel there is room for a mea culpa in all of it and it's worth me taking a couple minutes to type this all out. What you do with it is up to you. I tried to point out that the subject of the thread was not relevant to why I took umbrage with your post, but I think you deflected that with the whole 'farking the chicken' comment. It's completely fair for me to point out that you're derailing or not contributing, no matter if you voted for or against weed. I don't care what your position is, I care how facts are represented. You knowingly, and apparently lovingly, crafted a misrepresentation of the facts, and you weren't treated nicely as a result. You made your bed too.

Anyways, you did remind me to chill out, so hopefully you'll take my post with the good nature it was intended.


Look dude/tte, I stated plainly that I had no idea people would interpret that initial posting that way, and instead of a discussion, I was attacked. Frankly, had the Weeners been reasonable I would have simply copped to the misunderstanding. I trolled after the first attack. I fully admitted trolling after I was called on it. I have no intention of taking the blame for how idiotically defensive people are on the subject. The people hysterically defending weed to absurd lengths are EXACTLY as bad as the people making sh*t up against weed. They are not helping the cause in the slightest.

Saying pot is as bad as alcohol (a) isn't a bad thing, and (b) isn't something anti-pot people are saying. Both are drugs, and some people will abuse them. Most people who use either one in moderation suffer no ill effects. To claim pot has zero downside is delusional, and making that claim will cause people who might be persuaded to vote for legalization to see you as a liar.

To those who care: I don't have links to the Pro-cannabis websites in the Washington initiative, but they handled it correctly. If you want to make it legal in your state... look at their ads and educational material. Copy their blueprint. They presented an entirely reasonable viewpoint. Stop going apesh*t on everyone you think might be against pot. If you sound like an unhinged douche-bag, and people won't want to be on your side of anything.
 
2012-12-20 01:01:54 AM  

Danger Avoid Death: scottydoesntknow: gopher321: ...said Mom & Dad as they finished their gin &tonic and scotch respectively...


Don't forget the prescription pills like Prozac to treat the anxiety of talking to your kids about drugs (or gays).

Or gay drugs.


Would that be a drug that makes you gay, or a drug that's totally fabulous?
 
2012-12-20 01:16:26 AM  

Surool: Acharne: Alright, one last go. At the risk of regretting replying to a troll again, I'll bite one last time. I completely understand the argument that the the people for weed, sometimes are a little bit too for weed. This rabidness with which anyone against weed is attacked in this thread is good evidence of that. I can see this being a reason to post and even post something trying to diffuse it. However, the position that often gets taken on the other viewpoint is that weed is bad, weed is a gateway drug, why not just drink etc, yadda yadda, you've heard it all, same as me. Especially if you're in Washington, you heard it all much louder and more recently than I have. So knowing this, knowing the arguments for and against, you elected to stir up the people on both sides. Intentionally. While you may very well have been simply reminding people to chill out, it looks like an intentional fanning of the flames. The point, or aim of your post needed to be explained after the fact, but the effect of it was pronounced. Personally, I think you're trolling, needlessly. However, there is enough merit to what you're saying I feel there is room for a mea culpa in all of it and it's worth me taking a couple minutes to type this all out. What you do with it is up to you. I tried to point out that the subject of the thread was not relevant to why I took umbrage with your post, but I think you deflected that with the whole 'farking the chicken' comment. It's completely fair for me to point out that you're derailing or not contributing, no matter if you voted for or against weed. I don't care what your position is, I care how facts are represented. You knowingly, and apparently lovingly, crafted a misrepresentation of the facts, and you weren't treated nicely as a result. You made your bed too.

Anyways, you did remind me to chill out, so hopefully you'll take my post with the good nature it was intended.

Look dude/tte, I stated plainly that I had no idea people would interpret th ...


People know that the morons that are still saying it should remain illegal or are even on the fence about it aren't people that can be reasoned with. Much like gun control advocates, and they are so desperate to escape the oppression of the for mentioned morons that they're willing to take some liberties with the truth for the cause, I can't blame them. If anyone deserves to be lied to, its these people.
 
2012-12-20 01:22:27 AM  
The general pubic seems to be finally wising up and realizing that prohibition causes much more problems to society than legalization. It's been long overdue, but the tide of public opinion is changing.

This might be strictly anecdotal and please correct me if I'm wrong, but the "damage" that pot use causes to society overall is microscopic compared to perfectly legal drugs like alcohol. Alcohol is more damaging and addictive psychologically and physically than many illegal drugs. Alcohol withdrawal is the only withdraw besides legal benzos (Xanax) that can kill you stone dead. This isn't including the assaults, date rapes, car accidents and domestic violence directly associated with alcohol abuse and addiction. I've never read a story on FARK where a pothead beat their spouse or got into a brawl outside a nightclub because they were really stoned. You also don't read the same farking story the local newspaper prints every year about some 18-year old kid, who smoked so much pot that he turned blue and died. I've seen that story play out with alcohol PLENTY of times.

Anyone reading this post, I'd like to pose a hypothetical question (paraphrased from the late, great Bill Hicks. You're at a party and someone is violent and aggressive...are they drunk or smoking pot?

Prohibition only leads to a black market to fill the demand where the marijuana trade is more lethal than the drug itself. It exposes more kids to marijuana because of it's sheer illegality (drug dealers aren't known for checking ID) and only serves the interest of filling the pockets of criminals who are more than willing to settle business disputes at the barrel of a gun. The damage that the War on Drugs has done to our communities and the criminal justice system at large is frankly a national disgrace.

If the DEA was to actually reclassify alcohol as a drug, it'd be listed as Schedule I with little to no debate.

I will agree that burnouts are some of the most irritating people on planet Earth. Being forced to listen to some douchbag's Phish playlist when you're just looking to smoke a blunt drives me out of my mind. Still better than dealing with someone completely shiatfaced in a bar.
 
2012-12-20 01:25:27 AM  

PiffMan420: The general pubic seems to be finally wising up and realizing that prohibition causes much more problems to society than legalization. It's been long overdue, but the tide of public opinion is changing.

This might be strictly anecdotal and please correct me if I'm wrong, but the "damage" that pot use causes to society overall is microscopic compared to perfectly legal drugs like alcohol. Alcohol is more damaging and addictive psychologically and physically than many illegal drugs. Alcohol withdrawal is the only withdraw besides legal benzos (Xanax) that can kill you stone dead. This isn't including the assaults, date rapes, car accidents and domestic violence directly associated with alcohol abuse and addiction. I've never read a story on FARK where a pothead beat their spouse or got into a brawl outside a nightclub because they were really stoned. You also don't read the same farking story the local newspaper prints every year about some 18-year old kid, who smoked so much pot that he turned blue and died. I've seen that story play out with alcohol PLENTY of times.

Anyone reading this post, I'd like to pose a hypothetical question (paraphrased from the late, great Bill Hicks. You're at a party and someone is violent and aggressive...are they drunk or smoking pot?

Prohibition only leads to a black market to fill the demand where the marijuana trade is more lethal than the drug itself. It exposes more kids to marijuana because of it's sheer illegality (drug dealers aren't known for checking ID) and only serves the interest of filling the pockets of criminals who are more than willing to settle business disputes at the barrel of a gun. The damage that the War on Drugs has done to our communities and the criminal justice system at large is frankly a national disgrace.

If the DEA was to actually reclassify alcohol as a drug, it'd be listed as Schedule I with little to no debate.

I will agree that burnouts are some of the most irritating people on planet Earth. Be ...


Heh, the whole time I was reading that I was imagining you as a white guy.
 
2012-12-20 01:30:11 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Teens no longer believed marijuana was dangerous when I was a teenager


Nancy Reagan told me to "just say 'no'" to drugs in 1983 while I was fawning over Dana Plato.

My parents never told me shiat.

Dad is long gone. Mom's a slob and a retard.

I have a brain injury and because I smoked pot frequently before I got it, I'm still smarter than 90% of the world population.

PiffMan420: The damage that the War on Drugs has done to our communities and the criminal justice system at large is frankly a national disgrace.


Big oil and illegal drugs run the world.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/20/chris-hedges-americas-sacrific e- zones-being-destroyed-for-profit/

What's up, Uncle Sam? In July, a stellar, top-of-his-class neurology grad student (in a sea of neurology grad students) rigs his apt in Colorado with explosives, arms himself to the teeth, mows down a movie theater at a midnight release -- pleads guilty -- no trial -- OFF THE GRID (oh, yeah, 'solitary for life,' ok, sure) he's in South America raping hookers by now. He's nobody, with an automatic weapon.

On Friday, a 20 year old manchild takes the assault rifle his mother trained him to use and mows down a class of 1st graders -- 'kills himself' when he hears sirens approaching --

What's up, Uncle Sam? No amount of gun legistlation will change a father abandoning his son along with his bat_sh*t crazy wife who 289k a year in alimony isn't enough for, she has to raise a murderer for her 'end-of-world' 'collapse of American economy' delusions...

/believe none of what you read and half of what you see, Uncle Sam is the enemy
 
2012-12-20 01:42:14 AM  

Amos Quito: Optimus Primate: Dangerous? You should see some of the stuff I have done on Jack Daniels. It's lucky I am still alive. Never had anything even close with good ol' herb. Unless sitting on the couch is considered dangerous?

tortilla burger: Should be corrected to: "Teenagers no longer believe that marijuana is dangerous because they know that it's not".

All things have some inherent level of danger to them; calling something dangerous implies some risk of injury far greater than the average object, say a fork. I'd imagine the danger from marijuana is approximately on the same order as that of forks.

[beachhutting.files.wordpress.com image 420x482]

Don't underestimate the health risks of forks and couches.


Stupid man world.
 
2012-12-20 01:59:50 AM  

Surool: To claim pot has zero downside is delusional, and making that claim will cause people who might be persuaded to vote for legalization to see you as a liar.


Surool: If you sound like an unhinged douche-bag, and people won't want to be on your side of anything.


I agree completely. I still don't like trolling, but I totally support this message. The buttsecks example another farker made above was terrific. Anyways, carry on.
 
2012-12-20 02:02:38 AM  

Rockstone: If someone asked me this question I'd answer that yes, it is quite dangerous, however, states ought to legalize it anyway.

/ smoking is dangerous and it's legal. What makes pot different, again?


Tobacco is very difficult to grow so there is little chance of people being able to bypass taxes and grow it for themselves. Weed grows like a, well, weed. Also, weed (hemp specifically) was threatening William Randolph Hearst's textile monopoly  industry so he pushed for it becoming illegal, using his papers to help convince people it was dangerous, also non-whites were more dangerous because of it. 
Weed became illegal in the first place because of a greedy asshole who wanted less competition. It's remained illegal because it was an easy way to help keep minorities in their place after jim-crow ended; Nixon's campaign to preserve "law and order" certainly didn't help any also.
 
2012-12-20 03:14:39 AM  

PonceAlyosha: Uranus Is Huge!: taurusowner: I don't know if it's just correlation or causation. I've never met someone who regularly smoked weed who wasn't a total idiot. I'm not decisively saying that the weed made them an idiot, but that the two seem to go hand in hand somehow.

Ever played a video game or used a piece of software and been impressed? Stoners are responsible.

Ever learned any modern physics? Stoners are responsible. Same with most modern chemistry.


Ever enjoyed a play or movie? Stoners are responsible.
 
2012-12-20 03:20:17 AM  

JPSimonetti: I just don't like people that say it's completely safe. A few people in this thread have implied that. It's not 100% safe. If you want to be constructive, supportive, and actually beneficial to the movement of having marijuana legalized, you need to admit that the tests and studies have been done by independent, unbiased groups and that marijuana is dangerous and under what circumstances that danger elevates. It's not a terrible drug, but there are risks as with any drug.

If you run around preaching that weed is harmless you just sound like an idiot and actually make everyone else involved in the movement look bad. Educate yourself before you open your mouth. Maybe then you'll have a better come-back in debates than claiming it's a government conspiracy telling everyone marijuana has risks.


If we had "best post of thread" awards, I would nominate this.
 
2012-12-20 03:26:54 AM  
urban.derelict:
What's up, Uncle Sam? In July, a stellar, top-of-his-class neurology grad student (in a sea of neurology grad students) rigs his apt in Colorado with explosives, arms himself to the teeth, mows down a movie theater at a midnight release -- pleads guilty -- no trial -- OFF THE GRID (oh, yeah, 'solitary for life,' ok, sure) he's in South America raping hookers by now. He's nobody, with an automatic weapon.

On Friday, a 20 year old manchild takes the assault rifle his mother trained him to use and mows down a class of 1st graders -- 'kills himself' when he hears sirens approaching --

What's up, Uncle Sam? No amount of gun legistlation will change a father abandoning his son along with his bat_sh*t crazy wife who 289k a year in alimony isn't enough for, she has to raise a murderer for her 'end-of-world' 'collapse of American economy' delusions...

/believe none of what you read and half of what you see, Uncle Sam is the enemy


Did I just wander into a bath salts thread by mistake?
 
2012-12-20 08:32:57 AM  

Kazan: joonyer: /software engineer
//stoned all day
//I write your code, biatch!

LOL don't brag to me of all people about being a software engineer.

I write your operating system, biatch.


Then all I can say is that you must have been on a lot of drugs to create the Modern UI and use it for desktop computers.
 
2012-12-20 09:04:25 AM  

xria: Kazan: joonyer: /software engineer
//stoned all day
//I write your code, biatch!

LOL don't brag to me of all people about being a software engineer.

I write your operating system, biatch.

Then all I can say is that you must have been on a lot of drugs to create the Modern UI and use it for desktop computers.


lol don't blame me, not my part!  i actually work on server and we hate  the new UI about as much as you.
 
/it's fine on a touch device
//keep it away from my keyboard and mouse!
 
2012-12-20 09:37:57 AM  

Surool: farkingismybusiness: Never show your hand.

I got called, the hand was over... yet, still getting responses.


All you really accomplished was getting added to my ignore list.
It's a short list.
The only other Farker on it is Indubitably.
Be proud.
 
2012-12-20 10:50:34 AM  

Uranus Is Huge!: As someone who recently figured out how to make my own MJ e-cig cartridges (removing the most harmful element - smoke), I'm getting a kick...


As someone who regularly vapes homemade nic juice, I'd be very interested in learning how to make MJ juice. Could you kindly point me towards some resources? Thanks!
 
2012-12-20 12:28:17 PM  

joonyer: Kazan: Weaver95: We are increasingly concerned that regular or daily use of marijuana is robbing many young people of their potential to achieve and excel in school or other aspects of life," said Dr. Nora D. Volkow, director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse, which is part of NIH.

Translation - f*cking NORML, we need to outlaw those sons of biatches!  how DARE they go around telling kids the truth!  we have to scare 'em while they're young or they'll never listen to our bullshiat ever again!


yeah.. because you're really able to learn when drunk/stoned.

Yeah, I can tell you know what you're talking about. You farktard.

/software engineer
//stoned all day
//I write your code, biatch!


Relevant XKCD
 
2012-12-20 12:33:28 PM  
Now that this has cooled a bit.
 
Bottom line, when "Nannys" are upset that their LIES are not believed by the young, you do understand the problem and corrective action, do you not?
 
Then vote!
 
2012-12-20 12:38:55 PM  
Is there not one, just one of the media that will call these sociopathic politicians out?
How can an entire room full of supposed "adults" let these pukes spew derp on national "news".
 
2012-12-20 02:08:39 PM  

stu1-1: Surool: farkingismybusiness: Never show your hand.

I got called, the hand was over... yet, still getting responses.

All you really accomplished was getting added to my ignore list.
It's a short list.
The only other Farker on it is Indubitably.
Be proud.


People say this like anyone really cares?
 
2012-12-20 02:23:50 PM  

PiffMan420: You also don't read the same farking story the local newspaper prints every year about some 18-year old kid, who smoked so much pot that he turned blue and died.


While weed itself may not be dangerous, the different types of mold that can grow on it certainly are for people with mold allergies. I know, I've had to go to the ER because I could barely breath and had very sharp chest pains for over a week.
 
2012-12-20 03:01:01 PM  

stovepipe: Uranus Is Huge!: As someone who recently figured out how to make my own MJ e-cig cartridges (removing the most harmful element - smoke), I'm getting a kick...

As someone who regularly vapes homemade nic juice, I'd be very interested in learning how to make MJ juice. Could you kindly point me towards some resources? Thanks!


I'm using V2 products; their new LiquiMax refillable carts, hash oil and a few drops of Everclear. There is a very slight odor, but it dissipates in seconds. I used it at the airport and nobody noticed. I'll be experimenting with the addition of vegetable glycerin soon. You can also purchase them at the dispensary, but they're expensive.

/Colorado FTW!
 
2012-12-20 03:35:11 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: stovepipe: Uranus Is Huge!: As someone who recently figured out how to make my own MJ e-cig cartridges (removing the most harmful element - smoke), I'm getting a kick...

As someone who regularly vapes homemade nic juice, I'd be very interested in learning how to make MJ juice. Could you kindly point me towards some resources? Thanks!

I'm using V2 products; their new LiquiMax refillable carts, hash oil and a few drops of Everclear. There is a very slight odor, but it dissipates in seconds. I used it at the airport and nobody noticed. I'll be experimenting with the addition of vegetable glycerin soon. You can also purchase them at the dispensary, but they're expensive.

/Colorado FTW!


Can you put the juice in a snowglobe?
 
2012-12-20 04:15:24 PM  

snocone: Bottom line, when "Nannys" are upset that their LIES are not believed by the young,


So how's your Aunt Sally?
 
2012-12-20 04:30:53 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: As someone who recently figured out how to make my own MJ e-cig cartridges (removing the most harmful element - smoke), I'm getting a kick...


I'm reading this whole thread in case you post how you did it
 
2012-12-20 04:49:12 PM  

whidbey: snocone: Bottom line, when "Nannys" are upset that their LIES are not believed by the young,

So how's your Aunt Sally?


Teachin' my children well
 
2012-12-20 04:54:19 PM  

Gyrfalcon: scottydoesntknow: Teens upset that parents/the media/the government have been lying to them.
 
Be honest with your kid. It's not a very dangerous drug, but it's still a drug. Seriously, this talk should mimic the alcohol talk almost exactly.
 
My parents told me they understand they can't control what I do and don't do outside of the house, but they also warned me that any consequences that came from my actions I would be dealing with myself. If I'm old enough to decide to drink a beer while underage, I'm old enough to deal with those consequences if caught.


For real.
 
I mean, if people had been honest about pot from the beginning (I mean, from the 1960's), then we wouldn't be in this situation now. I'm of the generation that got told OMFG! POT WILL TURN YOUR BRAINS TO MUSH! BEFORE IT MAKES YOU USE HEROIN!! and not coincidentally, people of my age bracket are now in Washington and other seats of government, making legislation on pot. The other half are out running pot dispensaries, so probably we've got two more generations before everyone just calms the f*ck down about pot.
 
But we'd have gotten there a lot sooner if people had acknowledged 50 years ago that a) pot is a drug, and b) it's not a deadly drug, but c) it's still a drug.


But back then it was about the "Big Lie".
Sorta a lead in to the "Too Big To Fail" thingie.
 
/seriously, not re: pot, but the popular political thinking was that tell the lie big enough, and it works better. "Big Lie" was a hot term.
 
2012-12-20 04:59:42 PM  
Crap. I'll wait.
 
2012-12-20 05:11:30 PM  

snocone: whidbey: snocone: Bottom line, when "Nannys" are upset that their LIES are not believed by the young,

So how's your Aunt Sally?

Teachin' my children well


Oh. Well in that case

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