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2012-12-19 01:39:29 PM
That's pretty incredible seeing as Louisiana is in many ways even more conservative than Texas. Maybe not New Orleans, but this is still a surprise.
 
2012-12-19 01:44:40 PM

FishyFred: That's pretty incredible seeing as Louisiana is in many ways even more conservative than Texas. Maybe not New Orleans, but this is still a surprise.

 
 
Texas public schools are a train wreck, except they haven't bothered stopping the other trains on the track
 
2012-12-19 01:46:23 PM
Note to self: Remember to spend tourist money in New Orleans.  Write letters to school board, mayor, and governor explaining that this is why.
 
Texas once again finds a way to make itself look stupid.  Congratulations, y'all.
 
2012-12-19 01:48:10 PM

FishyFred: but this is still a surprise.



What's really farked up is not only the fact that any school district has to actually write guidelines about NOT feeding our children misinformation, but that we as a people find schools that will actually place guidelines in accordance to teaching the basic laws of science and reality based history surprising.
 
2012-12-19 01:48:37 PM
Thank God.
 
2012-12-19 01:51:28 PM

FishyFred: That's pretty incredible seeing as Louisiana is in many ways even more conservative than Texas. Maybe not New Orleans, but this is still a surprise.



Louisana is very red, New Orleans is totally blue.  Similar to other states with one big city like Illinois.
 
2012-12-19 01:53:10 PM
It's pretty sad when the decision to teach science in school is actually newsworthy.
 
2012-12-19 01:54:04 PM
Finally, some GOOD news on the assault on our nation's public school children. I applaud the Big Easy for taking a bold, affirmative step to stop this silly creeping conservatism in school curricula. A victory for facts and science!
 
2012-12-19 01:54:40 PM

make me some tea: It's pretty sad when the decision to teach science in school is actually newsworthy.


True, but at this point I'll take what I can get. All the news on this topic has been disenheartening for years.
 
2012-12-19 02:00:26 PM
Great. Now repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act and you'll be all set.
 
2012-12-19 02:00:57 PM
I wonder if Texas' text books really look like this:
 
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Actually I shouldn't even wonder.
 
2012-12-19 02:01:08 PM

FloydA: Note to self: Remember to spend tourist money in New Orleans. Write letters to school board, mayor, and governor explaining that this is why.

 
 
Yeah...THAT'S why.
 
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2012-12-19 02:04:51 PM

sweetmelissa31: I wonder if Texas' text books really look like this:
 
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Actually I shouldn't even wonder.



They do look like that, but when you open it up there's no words or anything. Just a six-shooter, a toy American flag and a chili recipe.
 
2012-12-19 02:07:59 PM

FloydA: Note to self: Remember to spend tourist money in New Orleans.  Write letters to school board, mayor, and governor explaining that this is why.
 
Texas once again finds a way to make itself look stupid.  Congratulations, y'all.



There's still hope. Alabama is still arguably more anti-education than Texas. Pleasepleasepleasegod don'tmakeusnumber50inthistoo.
 
2012-12-19 02:10:26 PM

Krieghund: FloydA: Note to self: Remember to spend tourist money in New Orleans. Write letters to school board, mayor, and governor explaining that this is why.
 
 
Yeah...THAT'S why.
 
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Nah, I can dress like an idiot, get drunk, and look at women who are way out of my league anywhere. 
 
2012-12-19 02:15:12 PM

Peter von Nostrand: FishyFred: That's pretty incredible seeing as Louisiana is in many ways even more conservative than Texas. Maybe not New Orleans, but this is still a surprise.
 
 
Texas public schools are a train wreck, except they haven't bothered stopping the other trains on the track


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People won't be late for work though, because the governor lady said, "I'm sending in more trains!"
 
2012-12-19 02:18:07 PM

Trivia Jockey: make me some tea: It's pretty sad when the decision to teach science in school is actually newsworthy.

True, but at this point I'll take what I can get. All the news on this topic has been disenheartening for years.


Absolutely. Still, it's a pretty sad state of affairs that we're even having this discussion in the 21st century.
 
2012-12-19 02:18:54 PM
MisterTweak:


There's still hope. Alabama is still arguably more anti-education than Texas. Pleasepleasepleasegod don'tmakeusnumber50inthistoo.


Texas is still ahead of Alabama, Mississippi, and Arizona, so there's hope.
 
2012-12-19 02:20:52 PM

downstairs: FishyFred: That's pretty incredible seeing as Louisiana is in many ways even more conservative than Texas. Maybe not New Orleans, but this is still a surprise.


Louisana is very red, New Orleans is totally blue.  Similar to other states with one big city like Illinois.



Louisiana is red presidentially, but even that is fairly recent.  Remember that Louisiana went for Clinton twice.
 
Also one of our senators is a dem, and so was our last governor.  North Louisiana is basically indistinguishable from Texas, but I think the coon asses who make up the southern part of the state west of New Orleans are pretty much just angry, disgruntled democrats.
 
2012-12-19 02:23:14 PM
Perhaps if more and more states do this it will break Texas' hold on the textbook industry.  Although it's beyond sad that in 2012 we have to pass a law that specifically states that teaching lies to children is wrong.  
 
2012-12-19 02:23:49 PM
Good news, everyone!
 
2012-12-19 02:29:12 PM
The next thing you know students will be forced to learn that Mount Rushmore isn't Tom Landry, Larry Hagman, Nolan Ryan and Silver.
 
2012-12-19 02:42:06 PM

Shostie: sweetmelissa31: I wonder if Texas' text books really look like this:
 
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Actually I shouldn't even wonder.

 
 
They do look like that, but when you open it up there's no words or anything. Just a six-shooter, a toy American flag and a chili recipe.
 
 
I can't believe the blatant the exaggeration here when it is easy to look up.  It's a *smoked brisket* recipe.
 
2012-12-19 03:15:02 PM
They let em have it
 
...with NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PROBLEM
 
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2012-12-19 03:28:44 PM
If even Louisiana is saying you are backwards crazy state....you might be a backwards crazy state.
 
2012-12-19 03:32:06 PM
Texas approved a hard-right curriculum in 2010 that taught utterly misleading assertions as fact - http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2012/jun/21/how-texas-inflict s-bad-textbooks-on-us/?pagination=false">suggesting, for example, that Senator Joseph McCarthy's anti-Communist witch hunt had been vindicated and that the Crusades didn't happen. 
 
wait, how do texas school books explain away the crusades?
 
2012-12-19 03:45:23 PM

thomps: Texas approved a hard-right curriculum in 2010 that taught utterly misleading assertions as fact - http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2012/jun/21/how-texas-inflict s-bad-textbooks-on-us/?pagination=false">suggesting, for example, that Senator Joseph McCarthy's anti-Communist witch hunt had been vindicated and that the Crusades didn't happen. 
 
wait, how do texas school books explain away the crusades?


You just don't talk about it, and it tends to disappear. We have a friend from Puerto Rico, and we were shocked to learn a couple weeks ago that she had never, at the age of 31, heard of the Holocaust. They just, you know, never covered it in school.

I spent the next hour explaining it to her, with her asking questions and wondering why it was never covered in class. Honestly, I don't know why it wouldn't have been, but it serves as a good example of what happens when things aren't taught.
 
2012-12-19 04:25:50 PM
Subby fail.

The phrase Don't Mess with Texas is a trademark of the Texas Department of Transportation, which began as part of a statewide advertising campaign started in 1986. The intention behind the Don't Mess with Texas campaign was to reduce littering on Texas roadways and has garnered statewide attention.


It isn't about "messing" with Texas in an antagonistic way
 
2012-12-19 04:29:04 PM

Girion47: Subby fail.

The phrase Don't Mess with Texas is a trademark of the Texas Department of Transportation, which began as part of a statewide advertising campaign started in 1986. The intention behind the Don't Mess with Texas campaign was to reduce littering on Texas roadways and has garnered statewide attention.


It isn't about "messing" with Texas in an antagonistic way


It has become so through misuse. The now accepted definition is the "antagonistic" one, by the vast majority of Texans.
 
2012-12-19 04:31:46 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Thank God.

 
 
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2012-12-19 04:32:07 PM
Oh happy day!

Take that Louisiana state government that seems hellbent on revisiting the smackdown they got from Edwards vs Aguilliard
 
2012-12-19 04:33:26 PM
FTA: "No history textbook shall be approved which has been adjusted in accordance with the State of Texas revisionist guidelines nor shall any science textbook be approved which presents creationism or intelligent design as science or scientific theories...No teacher of any discipline of science shall teach any aspect of religious faith as science or in a science class," it reads. "No teacher of any discipline of science shall teach creationism or intelligent design in classes designated as science classes."


THANK GOD.

/Agnostic.
 
2012-12-19 04:34:14 PM

thomps: Texas approved a hard-right curriculum in 2010 that taught utterly misleading assertions as fact - http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2012/jun/21/how-texas-inflict s-bad-textbooks-on-us/?pagination=false">suggesting, for example, that Senator Joseph McCarthy's anti-Communist witch hunt had been vindicated and that the Crusades didn't happen. 
 
wait, how do texas school books explain away the crusades?


You can gloss over them.
 
2012-12-19 04:34:15 PM
This seems to be a good time to mention one of my major policy plans for when I win the next presidential election.  I'm going to give Texas back to Mexico just because it would be farking hilarious.
 
2012-12-19 04:34:33 PM
My memory may be a bit fuzzy, but it seems like textbooks are being relied upon less and less in classrooms today. Even in my high school days the teachers told us to read Chapter 5 and stuff, but it's not like anyone ever did. The lectures were largely at the discretion of the teachers and the book was there for reference purposes mostly. Teachers that went strictly from the textbook were quite rare actually.
 
2012-12-19 04:34:59 PM
I'm confused...Isn't separation of church ans state supposed to deal with issue already?
 
2012-12-19 04:35:56 PM

jonjr215: I'm confused...Isn't separation of church ans state supposed to deal with issue already?


Yes, but the fundies seeking to enact a theocratic dominion over the US keep pressing the issue.
 
2012-12-19 04:36:29 PM
Text books aren't a huge focus in Texas due to the roving packs of wild hogs that can only be stopped with assault rifles. Priorities, people.
 
2012-12-19 04:38:59 PM

thomps: wait, how do texas school books explain away the crusades?


Better question: How in the name of all that's Holy did this farking excuse for a farking school board get away with calling the most potent symbol of anti-Americanism in the history of our nation RIGHT?! Joe McCarthy was a traitor that should be forgotten save for discussions on how farked up he was and the horrible things he did. He should NEVER be put on a farking pedestal.
 
2012-12-19 04:39:10 PM

ghare: Girion47: Subby fail.

The phrase Don't Mess with Texas is a trademark of the Texas Department of Transportation, which began as part of a statewide advertising campaign started in 1986. The intention behind the Don't Mess with Texas campaign was to reduce littering on Texas roadways and has garnered statewide attention.


It isn't about "messing" with Texas in an antagonistic way

It has become so through misuse. The now accepted definition is the "antagonistic" one, by the vast majority of Texans.


Well Texans aren't known for their respect for historic accuracy.
 
2012-12-19 04:39:30 PM

make me some tea: Trivia Jockey: make me some tea: It's pretty sad when the decision to teach science in school is actually newsworthy.

True, but at this point I'll take what I can get. All the news on this topic has been disenheartening for years.

Absolutely. Still, it's a pretty sad state of affairs that we're even having this discussion in the 21st century.


Thank God for the Mexicans flooding into the South. Most of them want to work, and want to learn. On the other hand, it seems to be the main goal of white Southerners to go through life learning and working as little as possible.

Yes, that's racist. No, I don't care.
 
2012-12-19 04:40:06 PM

Shadowknight: You just don't talk about it, and it tends to disappear. We have a friend from Puerto Rico, and we were shocked to learn a couple weeks ago that she had never, at the age of 31, heard of the Holocaust. They just, you know, never covered it in school.


Not to be snarky or rude, but is it possible your friend just wasn't listening? Or is stupid? I know someone who said something similar about teaching about American slavery. It was taught. I was in the same class (9th grade history, and again in 12th grade) as he. He's just a farkwit. The mystifying thing is that he actually made it into AP US History.
 
2012-12-19 04:42:21 PM
Jindal is going all in on being "the reasonable Republican" for the 2016 election.
 
2012-12-19 04:42:53 PM

treesloth: Shadowknight: You just don't talk about it, and it tends to disappear. We have a friend from Puerto Rico, and we were shocked to learn a couple weeks ago that she had never, at the age of 31, heard of the Holocaust. They just, you know, never covered it in school.

Not to be snarky or rude, but is it possible your friend just wasn't listening? Or is stupid? I know someone who said something similar about teaching about American slavery. It was taught. I was in the same class (9th grade history, and again in 12th grade) as he. He's just a farkwit. The mystifying thing is that he actually made it into AP US History.


It's possible. She's a nurse, and a damn fine one too. But it's entirely possible she just skipped those, um, YEARS they taught it.
 
2012-12-19 04:43:16 PM
I don't know if I'll be able to send my children to the "best" schools, but I know for a fact I'll be reviewing everything they learn. I'll be going over everything with them and, where I find the school's materials lacking, I plan on working with my children to do further research.

What leg up I have in this lifetime is due to a decent education. I may not be able to bankroll my children, but I'll sure as hell make sure they get a quality education.
 
2012-12-19 04:43:26 PM

FishyFred: Louisiana is in many ways even more conservative than Texas.


No.
 
2012-12-19 04:43:32 PM

SithLord: thomps: Texas approved a hard-right curriculum in 2010 that taught utterly misleading assertions as fact - http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2012/jun/21/how-texas-inflict s-bad-textbooks-on-us/?pagination=false">suggesting, for example, that Senator Joseph McCarthy's anti-Communist witch hunt had been vindicated and that the Crusades didn't happen. 
 
wait, how do texas school books explain away the crusades?

You can gloss over them.



Charlemagne formed the Holy Roman Empire in 800, yadda yadda, we suddenly had algebra for some reason and Columbus discovered America in 1492. Yeah, you can gloss those bits over.
 
2012-12-19 04:47:26 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: The next thing you know students will be forced to learn that Mount Rushmore isn't Tom Landry, Larry Hagman, Nolan Ryan and Silver.


And that it was built by men not created by The LordTM.
 
2012-12-19 04:48:42 PM

thomps: Texas approved a hard-right curriculum in 2010 that taught utterly misleading assertions as fact - http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2012/jun/21/how-texas-inflict s-bad-textbooks-on-us/?pagination=false">suggesting, for example, that Senator Joseph McCarthy's anti-Communist witch hunt had been vindicated and that the Crusades didn't happen. 
 
wait, how do texas school books explain away the crusades?


They simply did not happen. It's all liberal lies.
 
2012-12-19 04:50:39 PM

kg2095: thomps: Texas approved a hard-right curriculum in 2010 that taught utterly misleading assertions as fact - http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2012/jun/21/how-texas-inflict s-bad-textbooks-on-us/?pagination=false">suggesting, for example, that Senator Joseph McCarthy's anti-Communist witch hunt had been vindicated and that the Crusades didn't happen. 
 
wait, how do texas school books explain away the crusades?

They simply did not happen. It's all liberal lies.


Oh, so they pretend it was like the Holocaust?
 
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