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2012-12-19 09:44:07 AM  
Don't worry, once we get some sort of settlement on the fiscal cliff situation, they'll all be long gone and no one will care anymore.
 
2012-12-19 09:48:45 AM  
Pro-tip: pass a five dollar excise tax on hot caffeinated beverages for a week after any major tragedy. If you're gonna be infested by newsmongerers, at least make it worth your while.
 
2012-12-19 09:51:36 AM  
Everyone should be required to read Drews book in high school. Not only would we the citizenry be better informed, we also would have the SuperDome for fark parties due to Drews riches 
 
2012-12-19 09:57:02 AM  
I find it ironic that a reporter reported a story about how reporters are overreporting.
 
2012-12-19 10:00:45 AM  

b0rscht: I find it ironic that a reporter reported a story about how reporters are overreporting.



bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam...
 
2012-12-19 10:06:42 AM  

b0rscht: I find it ironic that a reporter reported a story about how reporters are overreporting.


This should have been the headline instead.
 
2012-12-19 10:08:24 AM  
Reminds me of the movie "The Right Stuff." Everytime the media went after the astronauts, there was the sound of swarming bugs.
 
2012-12-19 10:10:43 AM  
And yet we cannot have common sense media control. It's time to have a conversation about that.
 
2012-12-19 10:12:32 AM  
Ditto.

i4.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-19 10:15:07 AM  

cman: Everyone should be required to read Drews book in high school. Not only would we the citizenry be better informed, we also would have the SuperDome for fark parties due to Drews riches 


Did you just type that after giving him a blowie?
 
2012-12-19 10:16:48 AM  

Cheron: ThrnPhl: Why is it so difficult to spell Newtown?

Newton, a town outside of Boston where they start a race every year.
Newtown a town in Connecticut much in the news lately


You spelled Hopkinton wrong
 
2012-12-19 10:19:30 AM  
Has taking the media to task for the way the media handles themselves during a tragedy gone too far? We ask a panel of media-media experts their opinion.
 
2012-12-19 10:20:08 AM  
Don't say a word to the media. Force them to make up 100% of their reports instead of the usual 85%.
 
2012-12-19 10:20:29 AM  

b0rscht: I find it ironic that a reporter reported a story about how reporters are overreporting.


jamiedubs.com
 
2012-12-19 10:21:57 AM  
This wouldn't be America if we weren't high jacking other people's pain for ratings.  Advertisers pay big money for this stuff.
 
2012-12-19 10:23:31 AM  

b0rscht: I find it ironic that a reporter reported a story about how reporters are overreporting.


It means the story is coming to an end. When there is nothing new to report, reporters start reporting on each other.
 
2012-12-19 10:23:42 AM  
Been waiting for this to be said by the people involved.

Only I'd rather it have been: "Newtown to Media: Fark Off Already"
 
2012-12-19 10:24:26 AM  
So what's the alternative? We leave Newtown alone, and CNNBCBSyFy show up in December 2022 for a "School Shooting: 10 Years Later" that no one heard about in the first place?
 
I can get behind some sort of "leave the private citizens alone" rule/law (the media companies are more than welcome to self-impose that rule), but so long as newsworthy things are allowed to happen without first pulling a permit, there is no way to stop newspeople from covering it. And without a way to stop them from covering it, there is no way to stop them from overcovering it.
 
It sucks, but unless we want state-controlled media (or none at all - basically the same thing), this is how it's going to be.
 
// "more guns" seems to be the answer of the week
// so howzabout we arm the grieving families?
// that'll get a Wolf off your porch
 
2012-12-19 10:26:24 AM  
Anybody set up a sausage or soft pretzel cart, yet?
 
2012-12-19 10:26:37 AM  

cman: Everyone should be required to read Drews book in high school. Not only would we the citizenry be better informed, we also would have the SuperDome for fark parties due to Drews riches



I'm onboard with this.
 
2012-12-19 10:26:55 AM  
This is really sad, and unfortunately, par for the course.
 
I wish people could find some common decency within themselves.
 
2012-12-19 10:29:03 AM  
The rest of us are turning on our TV's and clicking every article about it........are the media to blame or the consumers in this case?
 
2012-12-19 10:29:53 AM  

Citrate1007: The rest of us are turning on our TV's and clicking every article about it........are the media to blame or the consumers in this case?


Por que no los dos?
 
2012-12-19 10:30:11 AM  

CapeFearCadaver: This is really sad, and unfortunately, par for the course.
 
I wish people could find some common decency within themselves.



Oh please.  If they didn't do this, all people would be saying is how the media can't manage to report the world in front of their face.
 
2012-12-19 10:32:50 AM  
When my buddy's wife died on their honeymoon in Monterey, we stayed on the porch for days to keep the  misery peddlers from bothering him
 
Hate media whores, more beheadings of newsies sits just fine with me
 
2012-12-19 10:33:27 AM  
I remember one day, this moron in a thread said:"how did you guys find out about the Challenger blowing up with no internet or smartphones?".


yeah, kid, we used smoke signals and carrier pigeons back then.
 
2012-12-19 10:35:17 AM  

natas6.0: When my buddy's wife died on their honeymoon in Monterey, we stayed on the porch for days to keep the  misery peddlers from bothering him
 
Hate media whores, more beheadings of newsies sits just fine with me


So you busted out the bubbly for a toast when Daniel Pearl got decapitated slowly?

You sick fark.
 
2012-12-19 10:36:20 AM  
Can't they hold a town meeting and have everyone agree that if any Newtown resident is arrested for beating up a reporter or trashing their equipment that the rest will vote to acquit during trial. They should also get some local judges to promise that they won't accept changes of venue, once the reporters figure out that the outcome of the trials has been decided.
 
Then again... the reporters may stay in town to cover the trials. Damn it!   
 
2012-12-19 10:36:59 AM  

Jake Havechek: Challenger



Ugg. I remember that day perfectly. As a 3rd grader intent on becoming an astronaut the footage horrified me. We were watching it at school in the library. The explosion made me flinch/jump almost out of my seat and I cried all day.
 
2012-12-19 10:37:58 AM  
Never let a severe crisis go to waste.
You can use it to get things done that you otherwise wouldn't have been able to do.
 
2012-12-19 10:38:02 AM  

Dr Dreidel: It sucks, but unless we want state-controlled media (or none at all - basically the same thing), this is how it's going to be.


Our local news keeps showing interview reaction of people from the area. Its reached the point where someone from the community goes on a walk and is swarmed by 20 or so people just so they can get his sound bite that day. I thought it was weird one night when the guy was laughing as they asked him questions, almost insensitive, then I realized the guy is probably on his normal evening walk he takes every day and has absolutely nothing to say other than "I'm okay, I feel bad." I'm all for free press but those clowns need media to tell them how ridiculous they the media are.
 
2012-12-19 10:38:21 AM  
Why does the media do this? Because they know America wants it. The Newtown tragedy is top entertainment right now.
 
2012-12-19 10:39:32 AM  
C.M.O.T. Dibbler seen setting up shop nearby.
 
2012-12-19 10:39:59 AM  

Jake Havechek: I remember one day, this moron in a thread said:"how did you guys find out about the Challenger blowing up with no internet or smartphones?".


yeah, kid, we used smoke signals and carrier pigeons back then.


Or were watching it live at school like I was, and I suspect many were. What a dolt.

relevant to the thread, I should find the video where a grieving family member of another tragedy tells a reporter to screw off.
 
2012-12-19 10:44:28 AM  
Get the widow on the set. We need Dirty Laundry.


/Kick 'em when they're up.
//Kick 'em when they're down.
 
2012-12-19 10:45:14 AM  
Even the Westboro Baptist asshats don't go pounding on people's doors demanding a quote.
 
2012-12-19 10:46:15 AM  
Ha - some of them at least are asking for it.

I saw an interview with some parents last night and they are all of a sudden very politically active.

They actually said they decided to strike while the iron is hot so they can effect change rather than grieve for their children who were lost.

The group I saw probably doesn't represent all of the parents that lost children, but they are digging being the center of attention right now and they fear that if they wait they will be forgotten - "a footnote" I believe is the term they used.

Talk to them.

/DNRTFA
//don't use your children for political ends
 
2012-12-19 10:48:40 AM  
"How does that make you feel"?
 
2012-12-19 10:49:10 AM  
The day it happened, saw reporters sticking microphones in kids faces. Thought it was disgusting. Changed the channel. Parasitic scumbags. They claim 1st Amendment, and all that, but I find that unprofessional, and lacking in professionalism. Is there no Accountability? Or just ratings and advertising revenue?
 
2012-12-19 10:49:42 AM  
I live in Danbury, I know a couple of the people that died. It's not just that the reporters are there trying to get a story, it's that they are extremely aggressive towards grieving families and townspeople. The more stories I'm hearing from friends, the more I just want to take a short drive and do something immature. Can you say "cock" on the air?
 
2012-12-19 10:54:10 AM  

tetsoushima: The more stories I'm hearing from friends



Are their stories like the ones from TFA? Beating on doors and such, or worse?
 
/you can say cock on the air if it is in connection to something like 'the cock' went cock-a-doodle-doo
//at least it was that was when I was in radio 10 years ago
 
2012-12-19 10:54:36 AM  
Media: "We're huge assholes and now here's a story about that . . . "
 
2012-12-19 10:55:19 AM  

Ex-Texan: The day it happened, saw reporters sticking microphones in kids faces. Thought it was disgusting. Changed the channel. Parasitic scumbags. They claim 1st Amendment, and all that, but I find that unprofessional, and lacking in professionalism. Is there no Accountability? Or just ratings and advertising revenue?


They have accountability to their superiors to get the news story by any means necessary. That's their job. They don't get paid to be decent.
 
2012-12-19 10:55:56 AM  

incendi: Pro-tip: pass a five dollar excise tax on hot caffeinated beverages for a week after any major tragedy. If you're gonna be infested by newsmongerers, at least make it worth your while.


brilliant.
Add a 40% surcharge for any "to-go" orders, too.
And a $1000 fine for using any dumpsters that aren't yours.
 
2012-12-19 10:56:22 AM  

Jake Havechek: I remember one day, this moron in a thread said:"how did you guys find out about the Challenger blowing up with no internet or smartphones?".


yeah, kid, we used smoke signals and carrier pigeons back then.


And we got along just fine and dandy, didn't we?

The younger crowd doesn't know that way back in the dark ages of 2001, almost all of us found out about the 9/11 attacks from the radio or TV. This was the same year that Nokia introduced the first smartphone in the US, the Kyocera 6035, which astoundingly combined a cell phone with a limited web browser and 8 MB of memory. Most of the technology we take for granted today is very young. Young in application anyway. The concept for the smartphone was patented in 1973.
 
2012-12-19 10:56:37 AM  

had98c: They have accountability to their superiors to get the news story by any means necessary. That's their job. They don't get paid to be decent.


I wonder what kind of person a job like that attracts?
 
2012-12-19 10:58:01 AM  

CapeFearCadaver: their



Goddammit. I'm not having a very good day today.
 
*there
 
 
wtf?
 
2012-12-19 11:00:07 AM  

The Muthaship: had98c: They have accountability to their superiors to get the news story by any means necessary. That's their job. They don't get paid to be decent.

 
I wonder what kind of person a job like that attracts?
 
encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2012-12-19 11:01:03 AM  
Has the media gotten around to blaming themselves for paying too much attention to these mass-murdering attention whores?
 
2012-12-19 11:03:34 AM  

kbronsito: Can't they hold a town meeting and have everyone agree that if any Newtown resident is arrested for beating up a reporter or trashing their equipment that the rest will vote to acquit during trial. They should also get some local judges to promise that they won't accept changes of venue, once the reporters figure out that the outcome of the trials has been decided.
 
Then again... the reporters may stay in town to cover the trials. Damn it!


Yea, there's no way I would vote guilty for anything related to a parent/family/neighbor giving a pushy reporter what-for. In a decent society there are some lines you don't cross, but I assume reporters have that part of their makeup removed in school?
 
2012-12-19 11:03:38 AM  

Dr Dreidel: So what's the alternative? We leave Newtown alone, and CNNBCBSyFy show up in December 2022 for a "School Shooting: 10 Years Later" that no one heard about in the first place?
 
I can get behind some sort of "leave the private citizens alone" rule/law (the media companies are more than welcome to self-impose that rule), but so long as newsworthy things are allowed to happen without first pulling a permit, there is no way to stop newspeople from covering it. And without a way to stop them from covering it, there is no way to stop them from overcovering it.
 
It sucks, but unless we want state-controlled media (or none at all - basically the same thing), this is how it's going to be.
 
// "more guns" seems to be the answer of the week
// so howzabout we arm the grieving families?
// that'll get a Wolf off your porch

 
 
Holy jump-to-conclusions Batman!
 
2012-12-19 11:06:13 AM  

b0rscht: I find it ironic that a reporter reported a story about how reporters are overreporting.


The BBC had a similar article, although it did note at the end the reporter chose to leave the after filing the report.
 
2012-12-19 11:06:31 AM  
So we've abused 2 amendments with one tragedy. Convenient, and economical.
 
2012-12-19 11:07:02 AM  
And then what did the townspeople say?

And then what did the townspeople say?

Tell me!!!
 
2012-12-19 11:09:40 AM  
jake havecheck
no bubbly, but was glad there was one less in the world
complain to someone who hasn't been to the desert and had to protect idiots like him
 
now, can be get back to the glorious bashing of newswhores?
 
2012-12-19 11:10:07 AM  
Media to Newton:

"We are very career driven people. Your loss, our gain.This is how we make our nice salaries. Thanks for making us lot of money this last week. We look glum and sensitive on the camera but that's how we're trained to act. We are actually giddy over the money we are making off of your dead children."
 
2012-12-19 11:11:50 AM  

cubic_spleen: C.M.O.T. Dibbler seen setting up shop nearby.


I LOL'd
 
2012-12-19 11:15:22 AM  
Media navel-gazing is unfortunate but widespread.
 
2012-12-19 11:16:32 AM  

incendi: Pro-tip: pass a five dollar excise tax on hot caffeinated beverages for a week after any major tragedy. If you're gonna be infested by newsmongerers, at least make it worth your while.


I was thinking something similar, but with parking tickets. Make it illegal within town limits to park a vehicle not registered to someone living within a 10 mile radius of the town. Something like a $300 fine wouldn't faze them. If you wanted to make them go away, make the fine a couple million. If you want to make money off of them, keep it around a nice $5k.
 
2012-12-19 11:20:27 AM  
Good luck with that. Tragedy-porn trumps even normal, sexy-porn for titillating the American public.
 
2012-12-19 11:24:18 AM  
When everything was first unfolding Friday, I was watching a live feed on one of the local networks' website. Two reporters started rushing after two young girls, they looked about 12 & 15, asking them questions. The girls turned out to be the principal's daughters, the reporters stuck microphones in their faces, "And your mother is the principal? Have you heard from her? Do you know if she's okay? How are you feeling right now?"
 
These little girls were literally walking towards the school to learn that their mother was dead, the reporters had been notified that no word had come from the principal yet, she was presumed dead. They still descended on those kids like vultures. The girls could only answer, "Yes, no, no, I don't know." I wanted to puke, it was awful. I had to cut the feed off after that, it was such a heartless attempt to get information.
 
2012-12-19 11:25:23 AM  
News report says he snapped because his mom was trying to have him committed to a psychiatric facility.

This is why we can't tell crazies what we will do with them - instead we need to kidnap them at night while they're sleeping so they have no idea its coming.

Otherwise they'll go all Nexus 6 on us.
 
2012-12-19 11:26:09 AM  
If the citizens just had more guns, they'd be able to defend themselves from the media.

/more guns!
//mooooooar
 
2012-12-19 11:26:18 AM  

Gulper Eel: And yet we cannot have common sense media control. It's time to have a conversation about that.


I know you're being snarky but that's a pretty good idea. Their constant drive to be first on a story mixed with an always on 24 hour news cycle has made them insufferable.

...except for election night, that shiat was hilarious.
 
2012-12-19 11:26:56 AM  

b0rscht: I find it ironic that a reporter reported a story about how reporters are overreporting.



This  thread is even more ironic.
 
2012-12-19 11:29:03 AM  

occamswrist: News report says he snapped because his mom was trying to have him committed to a psychiatric facility.



I keep seeing that he was diagnosed with Aspergers, I have a feeling he was misdiagnosed and that should have been a psychopath. All accounts point to his behavior being much more than socially awkward.
 
2012-12-19 11:30:07 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: b0rscht: I find it ironic that a reporter reported a story about how reporters are overreporting.


This  thread is even more ironic.


Like rain on your wedding day?
 
2012-12-19 11:37:00 AM  

CapeFearCadaver: Jake Havechek: Challenger


Ugg. I remember that day perfectly. As a 3rd grader intent on becoming an astronaut the footage horrified me. We were watching it at school in the library. The explosion made me flinch/jump almost out of my seat and I cried all day.


I was home sick and remember yelling for my mom, who was downstairs doing laundry. Still 1 of my most vivid memories.
 
2012-12-19 11:44:48 AM  

tetsoushima: I live in Danbury, I know a couple of the people that died. It's not just that the reporters are there trying to get a story, it's that they are extremely aggressive towards grieving families and townspeople. The more stories I'm hearing from friends, the more I just want to take a short drive and do something immature. Can you say "cock" on the air?



Work it in subtly - chances are some yutz will miss it in the editing process.

There's also the time-honored practice of giving them your name as Heywood Jablome. If you pronounce the name to them as HA-blo-mee they'll never catch it.

If it works you have to submit it to Fark, of course.
 
2012-12-19 11:44:58 AM  

zepher: Never let a severe crisis go to waste.
You can use it to get things done that you otherwise wouldn't have been able to do.


GBTW, mayor.
 
2012-12-19 11:48:03 AM  
It's almost as though there is an invisible political force clinging to these events that wont go away until it's certain that there isn't any leverage left to be used towards it's agenda. Funny that.
 
2012-12-19 11:59:38 AM  
Don't worry Newtown- in a month or so there will be another massacre in some other town and the vultures will move on to that.
 
2012-12-19 12:00:08 PM  

Ex-Texan: They claim 1st Amendment, and all that, but I find that unprofessional, and lacking in professionalism.



Woah, BOTH?  That's harsh, man.
 
2012-12-19 12:02:18 PM  
I live 20 minutes from this event. I don't care.

I have a friend who teaches at the high school. I don't care.

My girlfriend and her friends went to high school with "hero" Vicky Soto, same class.

I don't care.

There is absolutely no reason any of you should care either. shiat happens. People go crazy. Children die. Happens all around the world every minute of the day.

This doesn't affect me. It doesn't affect you. Faux empathy/outrage isn't going to help anyone. Probably makes it worse but I guess that is debatable. This was a bad weekend for Chicago gang violence. Let's start there if we really want to focus on helping. 

Don't farking kid yourself that you're some selfless servant for posting prayers on facebook.
 
2012-12-19 12:04:27 PM  
Reporters have to eat too.

/living off a paycheck signed by a broadcasting company.
 
2012-12-19 12:04:45 PM  

ChuDogg: I live 20 minutes from this event. I don't care.

I have a friend who teaches at the high school. I don't care.

My girlfriend and her friends went to high school with "hero" Vicky Soto, same class.

I don't care.

There is absolutely no reason any of you should care either. shiat happens. People go crazy. Children die. Happens all around the world every minute of the day.

This doesn't affect me. It doesn't affect you. Faux empathy/outrage isn't going to help anyone. Probably makes it worse but I guess that is debatable. This was a bad weekend for Chicago gang violence. Let's start there if we really want to focus on helping. 

Don't farking kid yourself that you're some selfless servant for posting prayers on facebook.


Solutions don't make money, fear does.
 
2012-12-19 12:07:32 PM  

ChuDogg: This doesn't affect me. It doesn't affect you.


I feel bad for you if the deaths of these children doesn't bother you.

Please don't speak for me anymore.

I don't don't send prayers. I don't pray. But, I do hope their pain subsides, even though I know it won't.
 
2012-12-19 12:12:22 PM  

ChuDogg: I live 20 minutes from this event. I don't care.

I have a friend who teaches at the high school. I don't care.

My girlfriend and her friends went to high school with "hero" Vicky Soto, same class.

I don't care.

There is absolutely no reason any of you should care either. shiat happens. People go crazy. Children die. Happens all around the world every minute of the day.

This doesn't affect me. It doesn't affect you. Faux empathy/outrage isn't going to help anyone. Probably makes it worse but I guess that is debatable. This was a bad weekend for Chicago gang violence. Let's start there if we really want to focus on helping. 

Don't farking kid yourself that you're some selfless servant for posting prayers on facebook.


First off, you're a douchebag. Absolutely no doubts about it. I can easily imagine that someone without kids will have trouble associating with this event and how awful it is, but to say that you don't care that 20 kids were murdered at school is in the absolute top tier of a-hole things to say.
There is a small subset of people who can actually have empathy for this, but there are a huge number of people who have sympathy for it, and justly so. Many people genuinely feel terrible not only for the individuals, but also that it happened in the first place.

I don't have sympathy for gang bangers. Comparing gang related deaths to 1st graders being killed while in school is an apples and cows comparison. They are so unrelated that they shouldn't even be in the same sentence.
 
2012-12-19 12:13:26 PM  

The Muthaship: ChuDogg: This doesn't affect me. It doesn't affect you.

I feel bad for you if the deaths of these children doesn't bother you.

Please don't speak for me anymore.

I don't don't send prayers. I don't pray. But, I do hope their pain subsides, even though I know it won't.


Do you even have a clue how many children will die today?
 
2012-12-19 12:14:44 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: Do you even have a clue how many children will die today?


A rough one.

Now, what does that have to do with what I said?
 
2012-12-19 12:19:51 PM  

ChuDogg: I live 20 minutes from this event. I don't care.

I have a friend who teaches at the high school. I don't care.

My girlfriend and her friends went to high school with "hero" Vicky Soto, same class.

I don't care.

There is absolutely no reason any of you should care either. shiat happens. People go crazy. Children die. Happens all around the world every minute of the day.

This doesn't affect me. It doesn't affect you. Faux empathy/outrage isn't going to help anyone. Probably makes it worse but I guess that is debatable. This was a bad weekend for Chicago gang violence. Let's start there if we really want to focus on helping. 

Don't farking kid yourself that you're some selfless servant for posting prayers on facebook.



You're so badass, man.  I'm going to masturbate to your profile because of how badass you are.
 
2012-12-19 12:20:24 PM  

JFarker131: When everything was first unfolding Friday, I was watching a live feed on one of the local networks' website. Two reporters started rushing after two young girls, they looked about 12 & 15, asking them questions. The girls turned out to be the principal's daughters, the reporters stuck microphones in their faces, "And your mother is the principal? Have you heard from her? Do you know if she's okay? How are you feeling right now?"
 
These little girls were literally walking towards the school to learn that their mother was dead, the reporters had been notified that no word had come from the principal yet, she was presumed dead. They still descended on those kids like vultures. The girls could only answer, "Yes, no, no, I don't know." I wanted to puke, it was awful. I had to cut the feed off after that, it was such a heartless attempt to get information.



Good, hard-hitting reporting; will probably get a media award.
 
2012-12-19 12:24:46 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: Do you even have a clue how many children will die today?


In automobile accidents in the United States, 1300 under the age of 15.

By starvation, worldwide, 18,000.

There is no reason that these 20 are any more important than any of those others.
 
2012-12-19 12:27:29 PM  

heili skrimsli: StoPPeRmobile: Do you even have a clue how many children will die today?

In automobile accidents in the United States, 1300 under the age of 15.

By starvation, worldwide, 18,000.

There is no reason that these 20 are any more important than any of those others.


474,500 children under age 15 die in auto accidents in the US every year? Holy hell. Time to move.
 
2012-12-19 12:27:41 PM  
I thought it was interesting how they make a big deal about reporters mispronouncing the town's name, yet the article's caption writer completely missed the mark, calling Newtown "Sandy Hook":


"Media and traffic jams the downtown of Sandy Hook near the Elementary School"
 
2012-12-19 12:30:46 PM  

had98c: 474,500 children under age 15 die in auto accidents in the US every year? Holy hell. Time to move.


That's a pretty nifty trick, given that the total number of automobile deaths per year is about a tenth of that, right?
 
2012-12-19 12:33:53 PM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-19 12:50:38 PM  

The Muthaship: StoPPeRmobile: Do you even have a clue how many children will die today?

A rough one.

Now, what does that have to do with what I said?


Nice of you to remove what I was referencing.
 
2012-12-19 12:52:38 PM  

ChuDogg: I live 20 minutes from this event. I don't care.

I have a friend who teaches at the high school. I don't care.

My girlfriend and her friends went to high school with "hero" Vicky Soto, same class.

I don't care.

There is absolutely no reason any of you should care either. shiat happens. People go crazy. Children die. Happens all around the world every minute of the day.

This doesn't affect me. It doesn't affect you. Faux empathy/outrage isn't going to help anyone. Probably makes it worse but I guess that is debatable. This was a bad weekend for Chicago gang violence. Let's start there if we really want to focus on helping. 

Don't farking kid yourself that you're some selfless servant for posting prayers on facebook.


trying to get an interview with Anderson Cooper I see.
 
2012-12-19 12:58:45 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: Nice of you to remove what I was referencing.


I didn't remove anything except my post that you quoted.
 
2012-12-19 01:01:23 PM  

The Muthaship: StoPPeRmobile: Nice of you to remove what I was referencing.

I didn't remove anything except my post that you quoted.


So did you find out how many children died today?
 
2012-12-19 01:04:12 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: The Muthaship: StoPPeRmobile: Nice of you to remove what I was referencing.

I didn't remove anything except my post that you quoted.

So did you find out how many children died today?


You want to know the exact number of children that died today? You'll have to find that for yourself, I don't have access to the info.

I asked what the number has to do with what I said. Apparently IYO it is meaningful to my misguided world view. So lay it on me.

Feel free to make up a number that suits you.
 
2012-12-19 01:09:13 PM  

had98c: heili skrimsli: StoPPeRmobile: Do you even have a clue how many children will die today?

In automobile accidents in the United States, 1300 under the age of 15.

By starvation, worldwide, 18,000.

There is no reason that these 20 are any more important than any of those others.

474,500 children under age 15 die in auto accidents in the US every year? Holy hell. Time to move.


Sorry, the automobile one was annual based on the number for 2009.
 
2012-12-19 01:35:46 PM  
474,500 people of any age did not die of auto accidents in 2009, either.

That's off by more than an order of magnitude.
 
2012-12-19 01:47:55 PM  
With regard to the reporters: If they did what some people apparently want and ignored the story, then the complaint would be "Why doesn't anyone care about what happened in our town?" It's a no-win situation.

I do have to wonder, being the cynical person I am, how many of the people objecting to coverage of the tragedy in their town eagerly read or viewed everything they could about an endless series of tragedies in other people's towns, countries, etc. While I suppose it's possible that the entire population of Newtown CT could consist of virtuous people who have never bought a copy of the National Enquirer, never watched bombs falling in some other country, never stayed glued to their TV for Aurora or Columbine or anything else ... I doubt it. People aren't like that. People are happy to be ghouls when the tragedy is someone else's. But what's sauce for the goose is, in the gander's opinion, totally wrong for the gander.

Yeah, harassing kids is out of line. But they do it because people buy it. Because people like those who are now objecting to it happening in their town, to their kids, buy it. There's a word for people who don't sell what the customers are buying. That word is "unemployed". What a lot of people need to look at, right here, right now, is what they as customers are buying. Why do people watch Jersey Shore and the whole thing about Honey Boo Boo? Why do they obsessively follow celebrities who are famous only for being famous? Why do magazines like People sell more than magazines like Smithsonian?

It's not only socially acceptable to be a ghoul, it's expected. It's encouraged. I have relatives who think I'm weird because I don't know or care what the Kardashians are up to.

THAT'S what we need to fix.
 
2012-12-19 01:55:44 PM  
CSB time:

Driving through Sandy Hook (visiting friends who live there) the traffic is a nightmare. Reporters and related jerks everywhere. On the side of the road was a camera crew stalking the local church. They were shooting across the road since they were banned from church property. (vultures)

There was also an active video report going on with a camera, crew, light, and some woman talking in to a microphone. She had stepped out ON TO THE STREET so she could be in the shot with the church. Traffic was crawling so I inched up right behind her, rolled down the passenger window, hoked my big-ass horn and then yelled "get of the street you idiot".

I hope like HELL it was a live feed. I scared the CRAP out of her.

I think all the locals should be carrying water pistols and soaking these jerks when they show that kind of disrespect.
 
2012-12-19 02:23:10 PM  

The Muthaship: StoPPeRmobile: The Muthaship: StoPPeRmobile: Nice of you to remove what I was referencing.

I didn't remove anything except my post that you quoted.

So did you find out how many children died today?

You want to know the exact number of children that died today? You'll have to find that for yourself, I don't have access to the info.

I asked what the number has to do with what I said. Apparently IYO it is meaningful to my misguided world view. So lay it on me.

Feel free to make up a number that suits you.


Hint: it's more than 20.
 
2012-12-19 02:29:33 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: Hint: it's more than 20.


So, you don't know either? You really never did have a point did you?

I'm sorry you got sucked into ChuDogg's BS hard guy routine and had it blow up in your face. But, the fact is, this is tragedy. Don't try to assign how you feel about it to others.
 
2012-12-19 02:32:53 PM  

Worldwalker: 474,500 people of any age did not die of auto accidents in 2009, either.

That's off by more than an order of magnitude.


Yes, as I said. Sorry, it was the annual number for 2009.

You ever make a mistake? How many times do I need to say:

I made an error in my previous post and listed the annual number of traffic fatalities for those under the age of 15.

I'm not perfect. I admit it. Now can we move the fark on?
 
2012-12-19 02:34:19 PM  

heili skrimsli: Sorry, it was the annual number for 2009.


The total for 2009 was just over 33k
 
2012-12-19 02:37:17 PM  

The Muthaship: StoPPeRmobile: Hint: it's more than 20.

So, you don't know either? You really never did have a point did you?

I'm sorry you got sucked into ChuDogg's BS hard guy routine and had it blow up in your face. But, the fact is, this is tragedy. Don't try to assign how you feel about it to others.


I feel bad for you if the deaths of these children doesn't bother you.
 
2012-12-19 02:39:56 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: I feel bad for you if the deaths of these children doesn't bother you.


It absolutely does.
 
2012-12-19 02:45:09 PM  

The Muthaship: heili skrimsli: Sorry, it was the annual number for 2009.

The total for 2009 was just over 33k


Not of children under the age of 15.

Helpful PDF: http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/809762.pdf
 
2012-12-19 02:45:55 PM  

heili skrimsli: Not of children under the age of 15.


No, that was the total of everyone.
 
2012-12-19 02:46:19 PM  
And the 2009 PDF:

http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/811387.pdf
 
2012-12-19 02:59:16 PM  

The Muthaship: StoPPeRmobile: I feel bad for you if the deaths of these children doesn't bother you.

It absolutely does.


So, it bothers you every minute of every day?
 
2012-12-19 03:03:24 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: So, it bothers you every minute of every day?


I try not to think about it constantly. But, it bothers me often. It's the main reason I left the prosecutor's office years ago. There's a difference in acuteness between this massacre that happened out of the blue, and the ongoing misfortune of lives being ended too soon by the causes that have become well known to us.

And we can be done. You don't have any interest in how I feel about this, you're just being a dick. Enjoy that.
 
2012-12-19 03:07:24 PM  

The Muthaship: StoPPeRmobile: So, it bothers you every minute of every day?

I try not to think about it constantly. But, it bothers me often. It's the main reason I left the prosecutor's office years ago. There's a difference in acuteness between this massacre that happened out of the blue, and the ongoing misfortune of lives being ended too soon by the causes that have become well known to us.

And we can be done. You don't have any interest in how I feel about this, you're just being a dick. Enjoy that.


Name calling, in my Fark?

Why is it different?
 
2012-12-19 03:08:59 PM  
Someone actually pounded on a friend's door and, literally, they were shouting, 'Someone in this town has to start talking to us, this is our story.' That's how we're being treated."

Had the owner of that home walked out and beaten that piece of shiat to within an inch of their life, I doubt the officials would press charges.
 
2012-12-19 03:16:35 PM  

Gulper Eel: tetsoushima: I live in Danbury, I know a couple of the people that died. It's not just that the reporters are there trying to get a story, it's that they are extremely aggressive towards grieving families and townspeople. The more stories I'm hearing from friends, the more I just want to take a short drive and do something immature. Can you say "cock" on the air?


Work it in subtly - chances are some yutz will miss it in the editing process.

There's also the time-honored practice of giving them your name as Heywood Jablome. If you pronounce the name to them as HA-blo-mee they'll never catch it.

If it works you have to submit it to Fark, of course.


Honestly, I'm probably just going to stay out of Sandy Hook because the families have enough to deal with without another person driving around in their town.

/To clarify, Sandy Hook used to be a small village down the road from Newtown, but was eventually incorporated when Newtown grew.
//Also, Newtown is pronounced New town, not Newton.
///My newest pet peeves.
cuteoverload.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-19 04:36:00 PM  

incendi: Pro-tip: pass a five dollar excise tax on hot caffeinated beverages for a week after any major tragedy. If you're gonna be infested by newsmongerers, at least make it worth your while.


Alternatively, allow tragedy victims to use whatever kind of ammo was used in the initial attack, on the invasive media.

Either local businesses are slightly improved, or the national state of "journalism" is slightly improved. It's a win-win.
 
2012-12-19 05:07:08 PM  

The Muthaship: had98c: They have accountability to their superiors to get the news story by any means necessary. That's their job. They don't get paid to be decent.

I wonder what kind of person a job like that attracts?


I used to be a reporter and most of us became reporters because we wanted to be Woodward and Bernstein. I was able to do some real investigative reporting for a few months and it was the best. Interesting, exciting...seeing the story that revealed the dirty tricks, the lying pricks, it's an amazing feeling. And you're actually doing good.

But notice that I said I was able to do it "for a few months." Real investigative reporting takes time and money and there are very few organizations willing to put in the time or money.

What happened in Newton is news so obviously reporters are going to go there to cover the story. The print reporters will go about doing their jobs quietly and methodically and they're the ones who will get good information and in-depth information. It's the TV reporters who are so obnoxious while doing no actual reporting. To be fair, they need visuals but they don't need to be in front of the church during a funeral. But they feel they have to be there because everybody else is there. And nobody is going to watch a reporter standing in front of an empty church describing what it was like earlier when they can watch actual people going to a funeral on another station.

You can call reporters vultures but they're just feeding the vultures. They wouldn't be doing it, they wouldn't show it if people weren't watching. I'm a news junkie but I don't want to see these people going to funerals. And I don't see that as news.

My interest in the story at this point is along the lines of learning about the shooter, why he did it, how we get people like that and what will actually help prevent it from happening again.

I don't want to hear about the funerals. I don't want to read/hear little portraits of the children who were killed, what they liked and what they wanted to be when they grew up. And I don't understand people who want to see and read that, it seems to me that they're just feeding off the pain. Or maybe they want to feel happy/relieved that it's not them.

As for interviewing those affected, many people WANT to talk about it. No one is forced to talk about it. Reporters jumping in front of people trying to start an interview without asking, with the camera already rolling, then showing that on the air are just obnoxious and they're doing it wrong. You're supposed to ask the person of he wants to answer a few questions, then turn the camera on and conduct the interview. And do it in a sensitive, calm manner. "Reporters" who do that ambush thing are always frustrated that some other reporter got a good interview and honestly wonder why they can't get the good interviews and why no one will talk to them. And they blame everyone and everything else, never considering that it might be their style and approach.

As I said, I'm a news junkie but I almost never watch television news because it's just so bad. I read my news.

I know the behavior of TV news people is awful in this sort of situation but you really don't want restrictions on the media. That's done by people with something to hide, like BP hiring private security to "close" the beaches and chase reporters away after the oil spill. A free press is one of the things that makes democracy work. There are a lot of reporters risking their lives to get the story and a lot of reporters who have been arrested, tortured and killed just for doing their jobs.

Al jazeera breaks news because they're the only news organization in the Arab world that isn't government controlled. There's a reason why the first thing you do after overthrowing a government is seize control of the media.

Thank you and good night.
 
2012-12-19 05:14:01 PM  
THIS is how i view 99% of the media

thewatchers.adorraeli.com

When the story is over, it looks like this.

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-19 06:57:00 PM  

Phins: The Muthaship: had98c: They have accountability to their superiors to get the news story by any means necessary. That's their job. They don't get paid to be decent.

I wonder what kind of person a job like that attracts?

I used to be a reporter and most of us became reporters because we wanted to be Woodward and Bernstein. I was able to do some real investigative reporting for a few months and it was the best. Interesting, exciting...seeing the story that revealed the dirty tricks, the lying pricks, it's an amazing feeling. And you're actually doing good.

But notice that I said I was able to do it "for a few months." Real investigative reporting takes time and money and there are very few organizations willing to put in the time or money.

What happened in Newton is news so obviously reporters are going to go there to cover the story. The print reporters will go about doing their jobs quietly and methodically and they're the ones who will get good information and in-depth information. It's the TV reporters who are so obnoxious while doing no actual reporting. To be fair, they need visuals but they don't need to be in front of the church during a funeral. But they feel they have to be there because everybody else is there. And nobody is going to watch a reporter standing in front of an empty church describing what it was like earlier when they can watch actual people going to a funeral on another station.

You can call reporters vultures but they're just feeding the vultures. They wouldn't be doing it, they wouldn't show it if people weren't watching. I'm a news junkie but I don't want to see these people going to funerals. And I don't see that as news.

My interest in the story at this point is along the lines of learning about the shooter, why he did it, how we get people like that and what will actually help prevent it from happening again.

I don't want to hear about the funerals. I don't want to read/hear little portraits of the children who were killed, what ...


How do you think us New Yorkers feel?
 
2012-12-19 07:06:28 PM  
Well maybe the media should fark off a little....
 
2012-12-19 08:32:29 PM  
Everyone in Blacksburg agrees... the media is there to exploit your pain.

/at least the WBC waited three years
 
2012-12-19 08:44:24 PM  
And it's so weird, because no one other than the media wants to talk about it. ER's in major cities are overtaxed because of all the broken wrists from people changing the channel so quickly. No one on the internet wants to post a single word about it. I don't understand how these media outlets stay in business when their ratings are absolutely bottoming out every time something like this happens.
 
2012-12-19 09:29:41 PM  
Some children died the other day
We fed machines, and then we prayed
Puked up and down in morbid faith
You should have seen the ratings that day!


/when we're dead, you'll know just who we are
 
2012-12-19 10:12:59 PM  
It was the tragedy du jour. It was the main, if not the only thing, on the RSS feeds for a couple of days. The rest of the world was still there doing things. Syria was still war-torn with more casualties each day than in Newtown. We still have troops on active duty in Afghanistan. But, everything was eclipsed by the supernova in Connecticut. It's always like that when something out of the ordinary happens. It's hard to find news about anything else. News on Afghanistan has been sporadic lately, anyway.
It seemed to me that some of the news people saw this as the opportunity they had been waiting for to press the case for gun control, and they weren't going to let it get away. I had the same problem with the election. Some news peoples' views were too apparent. I view it as unreporterly. A reporter should leave his or her personal views at home. I just want the news. Any editorial content should be thoroughly labeled as such. I can think it through for myself.
 
2012-12-19 10:24:05 PM  
Fark the media.
 
2012-12-20 06:43:42 AM  

John Buck 41: Fark the media.


It's obvious that while most members of the media are responsible with the trust they're given, common-sense regulation is needed to ensure that we demonstrate zero tolerance for insensitivity.
 
And yet no one here will propose such regulations because they're shills for the media-industrial complex.
 
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