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(Minneapolis Star Tribune)   Greece celebrates their improved credit rating the only way they know   (startribune.com) divider line 75
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2012-12-19 09:03:33 AM  
Bad day to be a sheep, eh?
 
Oh... they went on strike.  Never mind.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-12-19 09:56:36 AM  
They cut wages by more than 50%? 
 
2012-12-19 10:22:47 AM  
buttsecks?
 
2012-12-19 11:20:17 AM  
By putting on a bikini and acting sexy?!
 
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She is greek
 
2012-12-19 11:26:05 AM  
By partying!!
 
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2012-12-19 12:39:57 PM  
Cut $1 in spending, lose $1.25 in revenue. KEEP CUTTING THIS IS A WINNING COMBINATION
 
2012-12-19 12:41:14 PM  

cretinbob: buttsecks?


beat me to it
 
2012-12-19 12:41:31 PM  
I am a huge labor supporter in the US. That being said, I have a hard time getting my blood up to support a bunch of petulant snots that set their country on fire in response to being told that they will no longer be able to retire at 48 with full salary until they die.
 
2012-12-19 12:42:16 PM  

tortilla burger: Cut $1 in spending, lose $1.25 in revenue. KEEP CUTTING THIS IS A WINNING COMBINATION


I have this perpetual motion machine I'd like to sell you...
 
2012-12-19 12:42:57 PM  
Kegger?
 
2012-12-19 12:44:20 PM  
FTA "Nikos Stamatopoulos, leader of the Athens subway workers' union, said a skilled maintenance employee with 20 years of experience at state-run transport services has seen his monthly salary cut from pre-crisis levels of (EURO)1,700 ($2,240) to (EURO)800 ($1,050) next year."

So next year, experienced subway workers will make about $250 a week? There has to be more to this story.
 
2012-12-19 12:46:05 PM  
drop 50% of the country into poverty, but the stock market rose 3% so it's a good day!
 
2012-12-19 12:46:39 PM  

Digital Communist: FTA "Nikos Stamatopoulos, leader of the Athens subway workers' union, said a skilled maintenance employee with 20 years of experience at state-run transport services has seen his monthly salary cut from pre-crisis levels of (EURO)1,700 ($2,240) to (EURO)800 ($1,050) next year."

So next year, experienced subway workers will make about $250 a week? There has to be more to this story.


Greeks celebrate by men running a train on your deep dark tunnel?
 
2012-12-19 12:47:11 PM  
'Put some windex on it.'
 
2012-12-19 12:48:07 PM  
Stoning foreign women to death?
/Sorry, I guess that's only in Crete.
 
2012-12-19 12:48:57 PM  

Digital Communist: FTA "Nikos Stamatopoulos, leader of the Athens subway workers' union, said a skilled maintenance employee with 20 years of experience at state-run transport services has seen his monthly salary cut from pre-crisis levels of (EURO)1,700 ($2,240) to (EURO)800 ($1,050) next year."

So next year, experienced subway workers will make about $250 a week? There has to be more to this story.


Yeah, except there are 15 "months" in the Greek payroll calendar. And no mention of the fringe benefits. I don't have a copy of their union contract, but I wouldn't be surprised if that included free subway passes for the whole family, free lunches, etc.
 
2012-12-19 12:50:21 PM  
Sheep cooked on a fireplace, all-male dancing, drinking heavy moonshine-like liquor, and shooting guns?.
 
2012-12-19 12:51:07 PM  
"Under a new staff reduction scheme, some 27,000 public servants will be suspended in 2012-13 on reduced pay for a year pending their transfer or dismissal."
so... 27000 people get to stay at home and get paid for an entire year?

interesting.
 
2012-12-19 01:04:59 PM  

Grapple: Kegger?


images3.wikia.nocookie.net

'We're not hosting a european kegger down here.'
 
2012-12-19 01:05:12 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: 'Put some windex on it.'


this
 
2012-12-19 01:07:21 PM  

FrancoFile: Digital Communist: FTA "Nikos Stamatopoulos, leader of the Athens subway workers' union, said a skilled maintenance employee with 20 years of experience at state-run transport services has seen his monthly salary cut from pre-crisis levels of (EURO)1,700 ($2,240) to (EURO)800 ($1,050) next year."

So next year, experienced subway workers will make about $250 a week? There has to be more to this story.

Yeah, except there are 15 "months" in the Greek payroll calendar. And no mention of the fringe benefits. I don't have a copy of their union contract, but I wouldn't be surprised if that included free subway passes for the whole family, free lunches, etc.


and don't they have like a minimum of 20 guaranteed days of vacation a year? thats the greek mim. required by law, but i imagine a public union grabs even more.

/if you dont work, dont complain about pay.
 
2012-12-19 01:08:16 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Grapple: Kegger?

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'We're not hosting a european kegger down here.'


Your loss. Europeans know how to party.
 
2012-12-19 01:15:01 PM  

FrancoFile: Digital Communist: FTA "Nikos Stamatopoulos, leader of the Athens subway workers' union, said a skilled maintenance employee with 20 years of experience at state-run transport services has seen his monthly salary cut from pre-crisis levels of (EURO)1,700 ($2,240) to (EURO)800 ($1,050) next year."

So next year, experienced subway workers will make about $250 a week? There has to be more to this story.

Yeah, except there are 15 "months" in the Greek payroll calendar. And no mention of the fringe benefits. I don't have a copy of their union contract, but I wouldn't be surprised if that included free subway passes for the whole family, free lunches, etc.


I would be surprised if that wasn't the case. Additionally, those figures are meaningless by themselves without considering the cost of living. Is it, for example, possible to live in Athens on 12k Euros per year ?
 
2012-12-19 01:18:10 PM  
Rioting?
 
2012-12-19 01:21:47 PM  
Good thing we have the foresight to make efforts towards cutting back on entitlements here in the US so that stuff like that will never happen here.

We should really be thankful to have infinitely sustainable entitlement programs like ours - so long as we cut the defense budget and keep raising taxes we will never run out of money.
 
2012-12-19 01:23:02 PM  
So they're not jealously raging against the US after the weekend long pile on? Oh I see Britain is still at it
 
2012-12-19 01:23:25 PM  
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That Would Be in the Butt, Bob
 
2012-12-19 01:24:26 PM  
Opa!

Tommy Moo: I am a huge labor supporter in the US. That being said, I have a hard time getting my blood up to support a bunch of petulant snots that set their country on fire in response to being told that they will no longer be able to retire at 48 with full salary until they die.


Seriously?! 48 with full salary until death? Daaamn.
 
2012-12-19 01:37:21 PM  

kvinesknows: "Under a new staff reduction scheme, some 27,000 public servants will be suspended in 2012-13 on reduced pay for a year pending their transfer or dismissal."
so... 27000 people get to stay at home and get paid for an entire year?

interesting.


We do that too you know. It's called 'unemployment'.
 
2012-12-19 01:43:48 PM  

HKWolf: Opa!

Tommy Moo: I am a huge labor supporter in the US. That being said, I have a hard time getting my blood up to support a bunch of petulant snots that set their country on fire in response to being told that they will no longer be able to retire at 48 with full salary until they die.

Seriously?! 48 with full salary until death? Daaamn.


No. Not seriously.

It's 58 if you have 25 years working (35 in other articles), otherwise it's 61. It goes up to 63 shortly, for full retirement.

Full pension is 80% of pay.

Greek Pensions
 
2012-12-19 01:44:11 PM  

The Jami Turman Fan Club: kvinesknows: "Under a new staff reduction scheme, some 27,000 public servants will be suspended in 2012-13 on reduced pay for a year pending their transfer or dismissal."
so... 27000 people get to stay at home and get paid for an entire year?

interesting.

We do that too you know. It's called 'unemployment'.


this seems different.
 
2012-12-19 01:48:46 PM  

Digital Communist: FTA "Nikos Stamatopoulos, leader of the Athens subway workers' union, said a skilled maintenance employee with 20 years of experience at state-run transport services has seen his monthly salary cut from pre-crisis levels of (EURO)1,700 ($2,240) to (EURO)800 ($1,050) next year."

So next year, experienced subway workers will make about $250 a week? There has to be more to this story.


I think the devil is in the details. Elsewhere in the article is mentions "suspension". I believe they will be put on leave, i.e. laid off, but draw half their salary while they don't do anything since they are legally protected to have their job. Notice it doesn't say he will actually work for that half pay. However I might be wrong because the article is poorly written.
 
2012-12-19 01:48:55 PM  
FTA: "Greece has promised its bailout creditors more steep spending cuts despite a deep recession that is heading into a sixth year."

Bullshiat. Tired of this PC "recession," it is a full blown depression.
 
2012-12-19 01:49:11 PM  
I demand that their working conditions be made at least as miserable as mine before they even consider addressing the actual problem.
 
2012-12-19 01:57:53 PM  
Pay your taxes, ya dopey Greeks. And tax your shipping magnates.
 
2012-12-19 01:59:12 PM  
Didn't read the article, didn't read the thread. Going for the gut instinct on this one.
Did they set things on fire and riot like a bunch of ... well Grecians
 
2012-12-19 02:02:00 PM  
It's kind of sad that the home of 2 of our greatest civilizations, Greece and Egypt, are now 2 of the most farked up places on earth.
 
2012-12-19 02:08:27 PM  

porcupine tree: It's kind of sad that the home of 2 of our greatest civilizations, Greece and Egypt, are now 2 of the most farked up places on earth.



The Fertile Crescent, India and China aren't looking so hot either.  Neither is Mexico or Peru.  Best hope is Rome, and that only looks successful compared to Greece - the government's as stable as a one-legged unicyclist and they think jailing scientists is a good idea.
 
2012-12-19 02:08:40 PM  

porcupine tree: It's kind of sad that the home of 2 of our greatest civilizations, Greece and Egypt, are now 2 of the most farked up places on earth.


You forgot Poland Italy.
 
2012-12-19 02:13:59 PM  
If the unemployment rate rises, costing revenue plus increasing social service reliance, aren't they pretty much farked?

Option 1: try to spend your way out by starting massive infrastructure projects (hopefully creating jobs) or workforce retraining
Option 2: spend entirely on food/financial aid for the hige unemployed population
Option 3: allow mass poverty/starvation.
Option 4?

Option 3 is free until the pitchfork-weilding mobs come.
 
2012-12-19 02:15:32 PM  

Tommy Moo: I am a huge labor supporter in the US. That being said, I have a hard time getting my blood up to support a bunch of petulant snots that set their country on fire in response to being told that they will no longer be able to retire at 48 with full salary until they die.


You do realize that what triggered their crisis was malfeasance on the part of EU and US banks, right? Sure, the Greeks are a relatively lazy culture, but that's nothing new. There's a reason why everything suddenly went to sh*t overnight.
 
2012-12-19 02:35:10 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Tommy Moo: I am a huge labor supporter in the US. That being said, I have a hard time getting my blood up to support a bunch of petulant snots that set their country on fire in response to being told that they will no longer be able to retire at 48 with full salary until they die.

You do realize that what triggered their crisis was malfeasance on the part of EU and US banks, right? Sure, the Greeks are a relatively lazy culture, but that's nothing new. There's a reason why everything suddenly went to sh*t overnight.


Don't cry for the Greeks. They were all in on it; monasteries, government officials from top to bottom, company execs, union bosses, independent businesspeople. It was a giant game of beggar-thy-neighbor.
 
2012-12-19 02:37:31 PM  
Yet another pointless 24-hour strike that will be ignored while in progress and immediately forgotten.


FrancoFile
Yeah, except there are 15 "months" in the Greek payroll calendar. And no mention of the fringe benefits. I don't have a copy of their union contract, but I wouldn't be surprised if that included free subway passes for the whole family, free lunches, etc.

So basically you have no idea what you're talking about, and you heard somewhere that Greeks were overpaid and lazy, which fits into your worldview of bootstrappiness and unions better than the reality that the local 1%ers ran up a huge bill that the workers are now expected to pay off, so it must be true.


HKWolf
Seriously?! 48 with full salary until death? Daaamn.

Again: No.


SacriliciousBeerSwiller
Sure, the Greeks are a relatively lazy culture

Facts be damned, the Greeks must be lazy because I heard it on TV or in a magazine or something
I mean, it's not like there's any way of determining that statistically, using information widely available instantly and for free on some kind of worldwide communication network accessible by personal computer terminal. What kind of a crazy sci-fi world would that be.
 
2012-12-19 02:38:52 PM  
FrancoFile
Don't cry for the Greeks. They were all in on it; monasteries, government officials from top to bottom, company execs, union bosses, independent businesspeople.

Not appearing on your list: Workers, pensioners, students... you know, the people who are actually paying for it.
 
2012-12-19 02:41:04 PM  

LemSkroob: FrancoFile: Digital Communist: FTA "Nikos Stamatopoulos, leader of the Athens subway workers' union, said a skilled maintenance employee with 20 years of experience at state-run transport services has seen his monthly salary cut from pre-crisis levels of (EURO)1,700 ($2,240) to (EURO)800 ($1,050) next year."

So next year, experienced subway workers will make about $250 a week? There has to be more to this story.

Yeah, except there are 15 "months" in the Greek payroll calendar. And no mention of the fringe benefits. I don't have a copy of their union contract, but I wouldn't be surprised if that included free subway passes for the whole family, free lunches, etc.

and don't they have like a minimum of 20 guaranteed days of vacation a year? thats the greek mim. required by law, but i imagine a public union grabs even more.

/if you dont work, dont complain about pay.


Crab pot logic?

Also, Americans aren't that far behind. Most get at least 10 days vacation plus between 6-12 holidays off per year. I get 15 days of vacation, 8 personal, and 8 specific holidays each year. The personals are use or lose, but I can book up to 1.5x my annual vacation days.

But back to my original point. You would prefer that anyone that tries to get ahead in life should be pulled back down by those that haven't? (hence, mentioning the crab pot)
 
2012-12-19 02:44:41 PM  

DeathCipris: FTA: "Greece has promised its bailout creditors more steep spending cuts despite a deep recession that is heading into a sixth year."

Bullshiat. Tired of this PC "recession," it is a full blown depression.


Starting from 2008, yes it's a depression (their GDP has fallen by more than 10%, which combined with rising unemployment is generally the criteria for a depression).
 
2012-12-19 02:56:28 PM  
Spinach puff pastry pie?
 
2012-12-19 03:10:18 PM  
What's this pension thing people keep mentioning?
 
2012-12-19 03:19:25 PM  
That's just a little bit more than the law will allow.
 
2012-12-19 03:21:46 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Sure, the Greeks are a relatively lazy culture


No.
 
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