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(io9)   Death threats for writing issue 700 of The Amazing Spiderman? You comic book nerds are hardcore. They didn't even do that for the ending of Dallas   (io9.com) divider line 6
    More: Asinine, Dan Slott, Spider-Man, death threats, spiders, Clone Saga, Dr. Octopus  
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3526 clicks; posted to Geek » on 19 Dec 2012 at 9:24 AM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2012-12-19 01:05:06 PM  
2 votes:
Guys, if you're tired of these shiatty storylines, don't go nerd rage and 'I KEEL YOU!!!!' on the forums. Do what the rest of us have already done.

Stop buying the comics.

Seriously, it's as easy as that. You don't want crappy stories, don't buy the books with them. The 'But...but...the collection...' argument is invalid these days since publishers cancel runs and restart books all the time. Vote with your money, not your mouth. Hysterics like this just get, rightfully, written off as impotent nerd rage.
2012-12-19 09:44:28 AM  
2 votes:
God that story arc sounds terrible.
2012-12-19 04:07:58 PM  
1 votes:
It's not just comic book fans. R.A. Salvatore got death threats for killing off Chewie, and he was essentially ordered to do so... by Lucas himself.

/chill out, fans
//Chewie went out like a BOSS
2012-12-19 01:41:07 PM  
1 votes:

RoyFokker'sGhost: Guys, if you're tired of these shiatty storylines, don't go nerd rage and 'I KEEL YOU!!!!' on the forums. Do what the rest of us have already done.

Stop buying the comics.

Seriously, it's as easy as that. You don't want crappy stories, don't buy the books with them. The 'But...but...the collection...' argument is invalid these days since publishers cancel runs and restart books all the time. Vote with your money, not your mouth. Hysterics like this just get, rightfully, written off as impotent nerd rage.


Yep. Vote with your dollar.

Marvel Comics (and DC as well) seems to be run by people that have a "screw the fan" mindset, ironically in hopes of getting new readers. They generate car wrecks hoping to turn a head or two, rather than encouraging continued readers. Sales boost for a little while, but it doesn't last, so another wreck is orchestrated. It's the difference between getting noticed for running a game winning touchdown play, or for running around public streets smeared with shiat. Marvel doesn't see a difference, so long as they get attention and someone throws them a buck.

Comics are a business, and they are looking for QUICK QUICK QUICK profits in a dying medium, so they orchestrate progressively worse soap opera level plots, completely shiat-canning any kind of relevant continuity to fit editorial whim. But that costs "goodwill", another vital ingredient in business, where the customer trusts you, feels you are putting out a quality product that "matters", and that you do what you can to address customers' concerns fairly and politely. Having editors and creators take to the social media sites to goad or troll or insult fans is far from professional. If they are so proud of the work, let it stand on it's own. People will like or hate it without having to take it "personal" via direct responses to messages.

I've seen some goofy comics in the past, and had to weather "bad stories", but the Clone Saga and OMD was the first ones that caused me to disregard the printed page and focus on the creators behind it. They were managed so badly (and in OMD's case, so bad from the get-go) that you HAD to ask "where the hell is the editor or editor in chief on this, who the hell green-lit this" and then you realize the editor, the guy hired to safeguard the character like a chaperon at the prom, is pimping the kid out for tricks behind the gym. The EDITOR is the writer, the BOSS is telling the stories that fundamentally betray the character they are hired to "protect", and no employee is gonna tell him his plan SUCKS. That gets you crap like OMD.

After OMD, they already jumped the shark, so now their just trolling readers with more and more crap. I don't even hate Slott, I liked several of his stories ("Arkham Asylum" was great!), but I have read #700 and unless they leaked a full issue as a fake, then I can't help but read it and think "very bad, bad idea, you have to fix this quick". It's like a depressing, bad "What If?" comic. When the writer himself knows he's gonna have to hide in a cave after 700's release, then you know what you are writing is gonna seriously displease the fans (customers) to epic levels. How smart is that, business-wise?

There are so many negative consequences for the character, the brand, the marketability and the character itself in the context of story, from this idea. It's not just a short story arc - they issued a new series and new numbering, and allege that this is for the long term (yeah, right). Ock will lay waste to Parker's life, (possibly) screw his ex (or exs) under deception (i.e. RAPE), and Gawd only knows what else. The alternative is that Parker's family catches on, and thus that requires a whole new supporting cast. And there is no way that Parker, if restored, would recover from that, nor would he ever be ok with that, for any reason, even if it's a last wish. Sorry, in No. 700 the hero lost, lost badly, lost pathetically (for now, anyway), and had his whole life co-opted by a mass murder, who we NOW are asked to spend money on to read about (as if someone like that could be redeemed). And not just a down on his luck criminal trying to repent by becoming Spidey, or a new hero trying to live up to the name, but a MAJOR LEAGUE mass murderer. Only someone who thought selling your marriage to the devil was a good idea could green-light that. I can't imagine the MOUSE is gonna be ok with this for long. This will undoubtedly be reversed, stripping the creators of even more credibility, Marvel of even more good will, and proving, yet again, that the guys in charge have got to go. The Clone Saga and OMD taught them nothing.

Marvel and DC's problems will not be solved until the brass running them (I'm looking at you, Quesada and Didio) are shown the door. OMD proved that to me for Marvel, and DCNu (nice idea, badly executed, done too often) was for Didio. And OMD killed me on Spider-Man. Not Marvel in general, but Spider-Man. But 700 killed me for Marvel. The lunatics are running the asylum, and I'm tired of funding it. If I see wholesale change, I may be back, but no promises. You lost the good will, Marvel - you lost the trust. I'd be embarrassed to try to coax a kid into reading this stuff now.

So thank you, Marvel, for encouraging me to save money, or to give my money to new creators with new ideas, new characters, etc. OMD helped to introduce me to new DC comics I'd never considered, and 700 is gonna do the same for others. Thanks for the years of taking my money, but that's done now. Best of luck, you're gonna need every ounce of it.
2012-12-19 10:03:58 AM  
1 votes:
Please grow up.

It's getting ridiculous.
2012-12-19 09:59:49 AM  
1 votes:

ampoliros: Seriously, nobody in comic books stays dead.


The single biggest flaw in open-ended comic books is probably the lack of lasting consequences.
 
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