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(io9)   Death threats for writing issue 700 of The Amazing Spiderman? You comic book nerds are hardcore. They didn't even do that for the ending of Dallas   (io9.com) divider line 93
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2012-12-19 09:35:47 AM
So who the fark shot J.R.?
 
2012-12-19 09:37:00 AM
Seriously, nobody in comic books stays dead.

There's a mind scanning machine somewhere that made a backup copy, or there's a clone, or a time rift, or voodoo magic, or any number of contrived plot devices that can bring a character back. Hero or villain, it doesn't matter.

A character get put in the ground but sure as shiat, they show up later out of nowhere for reasons that were never eluded to. Deus ex machina.
 
2012-12-19 09:44:28 AM
God that story arc sounds terrible.
 
2012-12-19 09:49:23 AM
I stopped caring about comics and comic book nerds around the same time I discovered vaginas.
 
2012-12-19 09:49:36 AM
Apparently, the author is trying to sneak in a chance for the worst comic book writer of the year award before the end of the year.
 
2012-12-19 09:50:36 AM
Death threats are (obviously) an overreaction but that is one massively stupid arc. I get that life always gives Spidey a metaphorical kick to the jimmy but DAMN! That is just ridiculous.
 
2012-12-19 09:51:13 AM
I wish there were a mandatory retirement age for comic book characters. They've basically ruined Spider-Man from my memories of the 70's and 80's. It's like that crappy "ER" show- no doctors could leave the show without getting murdered or getting brain cancer. Why?

I'm not saying there can't be a Spider-Man, just let Peter Parker retire before messing with the character so much. Then you'd get less death threats.

Characters I'd like to see retire (besides Parker):

1. Bruce Wayne
2. Punisher (Vet traumatized by Vietnam... makes him how old?)
3. Tony Stark (wasn't he in Vietnam too??)
4. Reed Richards
5. All original X men cast. How many times can you die and come back? I don't want to know. Go live on a beach somewhere.

Also, Thor could go on a 10 year vacation or something. You think the series peaked when they killed Loki that one time. And Ragnarok happened.
 
2012-12-19 09:55:29 AM
Spider-Man has been uninteresting since they basically ret-conned everything interesting about him with the Mesphisto thing. Dan Slott is a decent writer, but nobody loves his writing more than he does.Nobody has done anything nearly as interesting as JMS, and Marvel is too afraid to have their characters actually grow, so... whatever.
 
2012-12-19 09:57:42 AM

pkellmey: Apparently, the author is trying to sneak in a chance for the worst comic book writer of the year award before the end of the year.


The thing is, Dan Slott gets Spider-Man on a deep, genetic level. Slott has been responsible for the best Spider-Man comics in decades. I'm completely willing to see where he's going with this, if only because this IS Dan Slott.
 
2012-12-19 09:58:58 AM

Hebalo: .Nobody has done anything nearly as interesting as JMS


... whereas JMS is responsible for the Spider-Man run that can only be matched by the Clone Saga for its wretchedness.
 
2012-12-19 09:59:49 AM

ampoliros: Seriously, nobody in comic books stays dead.


The single biggest flaw in open-ended comic books is probably the lack of lasting consequences.
 
2012-12-19 10:00:31 AM
Huh, whenever I submit a link that has already been submitted, FARK tells me so and rejects it automatically. But this link gets greenlit two days in a row.

Compare: Link vs. Link
 
2012-12-19 10:01:17 AM

GoodyearPimp: I stopped caring about comics and comic book nerds around the same time I discovered vaginas.


good to know that all that matters in your life is pussy.
 
2012-12-19 10:02:35 AM

Hawnkee: So who the fark shot J.R.?


Han shot first
 
2012-12-19 10:03:58 AM
Please grow up.

It's getting ridiculous.
 
2012-12-19 10:06:01 AM

likefunbutnot: The thing is, Dan Slott gets Spider-Man on a deep, genetic level. Slott has been responsible for the best Spider-Man comics in decades. I'm completely willing to see where he's going with this, if only because this IS Dan Slott.


No matter how good of a writer he is, this type of arc can only create groan inducing endings. This isn't the type of story creation that generates more readers or revenue, as has been proven many times in the past.
 
2012-12-19 10:09:31 AM

balthan: ampoliros: Seriously, nobody in comic books stays dead.

The single biggest flaw in open-ended comic books is probably the lack of lasting consequences.


The Walking Dead does "lasting consequences" pretty well....
 
2012-12-19 10:11:57 AM

likefunbutnot: Hebalo: .Nobody has done anything nearly as interesting as JMS

... whereas JMS is responsible for the Spider-Man run that can only be matched by the Clone Saga for its wretchedness.



I am NOT going to be friends with you.
 
2012-12-19 10:13:18 AM

killdawabbitt: Also, Thor could go on a 10 year vacation or something. You think the series peaked when they killed Loki that one time. And Ragnarok happened.


They did that story arc when Beta Ray Bill took over after Loki turned Thor into a frog.
 
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/hot like the enchantress
 
2012-12-19 10:13:39 AM

AFKobel: balthan: ampoliros: Seriously, nobody in comic books stays dead.

The single biggest flaw in open-ended comic books is probably the lack of lasting consequences.

The Walking Dead does "lasting consequences" pretty well....


It also needs to wrap up soon. It's already getting a bit repetitive, and should not be run indefinitely.
 
2012-12-19 10:26:57 AM

killdawabbitt: 2. Punisher (Vet traumatized by Vietnam... makes him how old?)
3. Tony Stark (wasn't he in Vietnam too??)


They've retconned Tony Stark's origin to be around Desert Storm or some other more recent mid-East conflict. Same with the Marvel universe proper Punisher. The Max Punisher is still a 'Nam vet and is mostly portrayed as a 60-something guy.
 
2012-12-19 10:30:33 AM

Hebalo: I am NOT going to be friends with you.


If you want to defend the steaming pit that is the spider-totem/Morlun crap, you're going to have to expect every other comic fan with good taste and sense to disagree with you.

NeoCortex42: It also needs to wrap up soon. It's already getting a bit repetitive, and should not be run indefinitely.


I've read nearly all of Kirkman's output, from Invincible and Battle Pope to various Marvel titles.
He usually has great, cool ideas. He is TERRIBLE at developing and executing a worthwhile conclusion. I've decided that the best thing that could be done with him would be to find a writing collaborator or a much stronger editor.

In the Walking Dead, he has a pretty good template: Rick and the folks enter a new setting. Life stays good for a while. Philosophical pondering on the nature of humanity happen. Someone readers care about gets killed off. Rick and the surviving folks flee.
 
2012-12-19 10:31:39 AM

Disposable Rob: killdawabbitt: 2. Punisher (Vet traumatized by Vietnam... makes him how old?)
3. Tony Stark (wasn't he in Vietnam too??)


They've retconned Tony Stark's origin to be around Desert Storm or some other more recent mid-East conflict. Same with the Marvel universe proper Punisher. The Max Punisher is still a 'Nam vet and is mostly portrayed as a 60-something guy.


I liked Marvel over DC during my child precisely because they refused to ret-con anything- there was a single continuity for all their comics. Now they suck just as much as DC sucks (and has sucked). Well, I stopped reading years ago, but it's sad because I thought one day I'd let my kids read this stuff. Looks like he's just going to get reprints.
 
2012-12-19 10:55:36 AM

killdawabbitt: Characters I'd like to see retire (besides Parker):

1. Bruce Wayne
2. Punisher (Vet traumatized by Vietnam... makes him how old?)
3. Tony Stark (wasn't he in Vietnam too??)
4. Reed Richards
5. All original X men cast. How many times can you die and come back? I don't want to know. Go live on a beach somewhere.


I have no comment on Batman except to say that it is one of only two DC properties (the other is Captain Marvel) that I don't completely hate.

Depending on the writer, Punisher can be portrayed as anything up to a 60ish year old man and "I'm getting too old for this shiat" is kind of integral to the character. He doesn't work as well in the mainstream Marvel Universe because he's basically a superhero-endorsed mass murderer, but in his various stand-alone books the age and experience issues are definitely a factor.

Tony Stark's origin actually dates back to Korea, not Vietnam. That said, Tony Stark is kind of unique as far as heroes go since the womanizing recovering alcoholic gearhead with an ego the size of the sun gives writers a lot of stuff to work with. Iron Man is a super hero book that actually works pretty well even without the costumed hero part.

Reed Richards: The FF aren't really super heroes. They're science explorers. I didn't really get that until I read the Warren Ellis run on Ultimate Fantastic Four. Reed Richards doesn't need to retire or not exist, he really just needs to be doing the stuff that a guy like that would be doing. Which involves outer space or other dimensions and not so much the Baxter Building.

Xmen: I think writers need to figure out something to do with Iceman and with Angel. Writers love Beast. Cyclops gets short changed a lot, something that I think the AvX run was really trying to address but probably failed. The X-Men First Class comic featuring the original cast was far and away the best X-title being printed for the entire duration of its run, especially for the Coleen Coover backup stories. I'd pay $5/issue to get that running again.
 
2012-12-19 11:04:58 AM

NeoCortex42: AFKobel: balthan: ampoliros: Seriously, nobody in comic books stays dead.

The single biggest flaw in open-ended comic books is probably the lack of lasting consequences.

The Walking Dead does "lasting consequences" pretty well....

It also needs to wrap up soon. It's already getting a bit repetitive, and should not be run indefinitely.


kirkman says he has the next 100 issues or so plotted out.... so no, no time soon.
 
2012-12-19 11:05:51 AM

likefunbutnot: Xmen: I think writers need to figure out something to do with Iceman and with Angel. Writers love Beast. Cyclops gets short changed a lot, something that I think the AvX run was really trying to address but probably failed. The X-Men First Class comic featuring the original cast was far and away the best X-title being printed for the entire duration of its run, especially for the Coleen Coover backup stories. I'd pa ...


Against my expectations, I'm kind of enjoying All New X-men. At least I do like that editorial finally acknowledges that the last ten years of storyline are as dark and grim as anything that's appeared in any of the "dark futures" that the X-titles are always worrying about.
 
2012-12-19 11:13:23 AM

frepnog: NeoCortex42: AFKobel: balthan: ampoliros: Seriously, nobody in comic books stays dead.

The single biggest flaw in open-ended comic books is probably the lack of lasting consequences.

The Walking Dead does "lasting consequences" pretty well....

It also needs to wrap up soon. It's already getting a bit repetitive, and should not be run indefinitely.

kirkman says he has the next 100 issues or so plotted out.... so no, no time soon.


That's actually disappointing. I was hoping he'd find a way to bring it to some kind of closure, even if that closure is nothing more than "Rick & Carl continue to wonder the wasteland". Every arc now seems to follow the same pattern of wander->seemingly safe place->enjoy new characters->big threat revealed->lose new characters and safe place->wander.
Issue 100 was nothing more than Kirkman saying "See, it's still shocking! I can be shocking!"
 
2012-12-19 11:15:48 AM
This is some pretty weaksauce nonsense from Marvel. I don't mind the storyline, hell that's why you read comics, for the ridiculous storylines, but I hate it when they practically decorate the trapdoor that let's them bail from the story with neon lights.

They say that Peter Parker is going to die, and that Doc Ock will take over as Spider-Man.

Doc Ock will do that from inside Peter's body, which means Peter's body doesn't die.

Dock Ock will have access to all of Peter's memories, which means Peter's mind hasn't been wiped and still exists in some form.

It's so obvious that either Peter's soul will be returned to his body, ejecting Ock's soul and setting things right again, or that Ock!Peter will get electrocuted and his brain will "reboot" and Peter!Peter will return. The reset button on this one is lit up like a Christmas Tree, and I really don't see how anyone can see this as anything but a temporary condition.

Now the Death of Spider-Man storyline from Ultimate Spider-Man, the one that brought us Miles Morales, that is how you do a death storyline with a sense of finality. Even that one is reversible (cloning exists in the Ultimateverse, and a copy of Peter's mind exists in the form of Jessica Drew/Spider-Woman, so Peter could be brought back to life), but having Pete get shot through the chest, die, get buried, get eulogized, introducing a whole new character (who is awesome! I love Miles Morales!), and so on just feels intensely more real.

I expect this Ock!Peter storyline to last a whole year across all Spider-titles at best. And it will go down in history as being lame, but not as lame as the Clone Saga or One Last Day.
 
2012-12-19 11:18:13 AM
First things first. Death threads over a comic book storyline? Really?

I hate the phrase but... get a life...

About the comic, it's really just keep crapping on the Peter Parker character. Hated what they done with him after One More Day, and always thought that if Marvel ever decided to retire the character, they should have either kill him off on a last blaze of glory and later be recognized as a great hero that he is, or grant him a peaceful and happy life growing old with Mary Jane.

I understand that part of Peter's appeal is how he can't catch a break, but that would have made an eventual happy ending more satisfactory...

That been said, if they decide to kill of Peter Parker, keep him death for a good time. Superman is my favorite superhero (along with Batman and Green Lantern) and they should have keep them death, at least for SEVERAL years...

To me problem with comic books nowadays seems to be the need to keep status quo and trying to shake things up at the same time. They want the characters to change AND stay the same at the same time... is one way or another.

/Agree that Bruce Wayne should retire as Batman and let Dick Grayson take the mantle...
//Also Hal Jordan, but at least his death lasted a good while...
 
2012-12-19 11:22:14 AM

skepticultist: The reset button on this one is lit up like a Christmas Tree, and I really don't see how anyone can see this as anything but a temporary condition.


That's what people said about One More Day. So far, that one stuck.
 
2012-12-19 11:23:47 AM

DarkPascual: /Agree that Bruce Wayne should retire as Batman and let Dick Grayson take the mantle...


He did for a while; there was that whole plot with the time traveling bullet, but even after Bruce returned from that, Dick stayed as Batman with Bruce as his benefactor (along with the benefactor of a whole lot of other vigilantes; hence, "Batman Inc." Then the New 52 don't-call-it-a-reboot happened.
 
2012-12-19 11:32:42 AM
We know and they know everything will be reset. They just can't say it yet.

That's the comic cycle. All-New! All-Different! -> Back to Basics! -> All-New! All-Different!

The X-mansion always gets rebuilt. Xavier always goes back in the wheel chair. etc.
 
2012-12-19 11:46:24 AM
 
2012-12-19 11:50:07 AM

ampoliros: Seriously, nobody in comic books stays dead.

There's a mind scanning machine somewhere that made a backup copy, or there's a clone, or a time rift, or voodoo magic, or any number of contrived plot devices that can bring a character back. Hero or villain, it doesn't matter.

A character get put in the ground but sure as shiat, they show up later out of nowhere for reasons that were never eluded to. Deus ex machina.


I stopped reading comics in high school. I always wondered if I should have kept up with them; then I heard that Jason Todd was brought back, and I was glad I left them behind. When you undo some of the most dramatic events of your own story's history, you undercut all the drama of any story you tell from then on.
 
2012-12-19 11:51:26 AM
At which point in time did comic storylines get so messed up that death was not final/special? Again, I stopped reading comics in like 1995 or so, because it seemed like everyone was dying and then coming back (which seems to continue until today). I read every Spidey comic until then- he never died. He had personal problems. He got married. He had marital problems. Then things got screwey, I gave up.

The death of Captain Marvel was kinda special. I guess you can only die from cancer in comics. I remember Quasar dying... I'm sure they brought him back.

Now everyone seems to die, a few times a year even. Captain America? Died. Superman? Died, probably a few times now. Batman? not sure, but probably. Spiderman? Several times, seems like once per title. X-Men? Are you kidding me? They all die like 10 times. I loved it when Storm died. And Jean Grey. this title was ruined for me when they (both) came back. Prof. X? yeah, he died a few times... the first couple of times it was kinda plausible. I loved when Magneto took over the school. But you do it once- OK... With 1 major character.... The more you did it the less I cared.
 
2012-12-19 11:53:37 AM

HeartBurnKid: DarkPascual: /Agree that Bruce Wayne should retire as Batman and let Dick Grayson take the mantle...

He did for a while; there was that whole plot with the time traveling bullet, but even after Bruce returned from that, Dick stayed as Batman with Bruce as his benefactor (along with the benefactor of a whole lot of other vigilantes; hence, "Batman Inc." Then the New 52 don't-call-it-a-reboot happened.


Oh, I knew that. I actually thought that "Batman Inc," had some awesome potential and I was under the impression that the "New 52" would carry that storyline...

Say what you will about how Japanese media manages their concepts on manga, but at least I think that since their works are more creator-owned rather than corporate properties, it allows a better sense of growth and progression of the story and characters.

I love American comics to death, and I love the superhero genre, but let the things change.

"Would you like Spiderman to grow old and die?" Yeah... actually that would be interesting...
 
2012-12-19 11:57:57 AM

NeoCortex42: Issue 100 was nothing more than Kirkman saying "See, it's still shocking! I can be shocking!"


dude, I have been reading WD since the first year. Issue 100 was not just shocking, it was a punch in the gut and actually was one of the first times I felt affected by a fictional character. It was pretty freaking amazing. If you are bored with or turned off by the comic, fine, but it isn't just shocking to be shocking, it portrays a brutal world in which the shocking has become almost a mundane part of life for these people.
 
2012-12-19 11:59:57 AM

Hawnkee: So who the fark shot J.R.?


No one. That whole season was a dream.

/srsly
 
2012-12-19 12:01:43 PM
It's really that there are a set amount of characters that are established and they have to be used continuously. Has there been any new 'big' characters created since the 60's? Spawn broke out for a while I guess. Otherwise it's always:

Spider-man
Thor
Iron Man
Captain America
Hulk
Daredevil
X-Men
Fantastic Four

Batman
Superman
Green Lantern
Flash
Wonder Woman
 
2012-12-19 12:04:15 PM

Decillion: Spawn broke out for a while I guess.


yeah and then a really shiatty movie killed any momentum that Spawn might have had. Spawn should be HUGE. And then they let that cinematic turd out and ............................

/Spawn deserves a re-do.
 
2012-12-19 12:07:09 PM

Decillion: It's really that there are a set amount of characters that are established and they have to be used continuously. Has there been any new 'big' characters created since the 60's?


Outside of the Marvel/DC universes? Comics used to be very specific to these two areas, but now I think it would be difficult for anything to break out big because Dark Horse and several other universes have changed the definitions a lot. I don't know too many people who know a lot about the universes outside of the ones they have always followed.
 
2012-12-19 12:08:19 PM
If we're gong to let the One More Day author live; I don't see how we can go after this guy.
 
2012-12-19 12:17:42 PM

Decillion: It's really that there are a set amount of characters that are established and they have to be used continuously. Has there been any new 'big' characters created since the 60's? Spawn broke out for a while I guess. Otherwise it's always:

Spider-man
Thor
Iron Man
Captain America
Hulk
Daredevil
X-Men
Fantastic Four

Batman
Superman
Green Lantern
Flash
Wonder Woman


Marvel's had a couple. Deadpool was a '90s creation, and has become one of their staples.

TheZorker: If we're gong to let the One More Day author live; I don't see how we can go after this guy.


To be fair, JMS wrote One More Day under protest, and even lobbied to have his name taken off the books at one point. If you want to know who to go after for that shiat, it's Joe Quesada.

/interesting thing: if you read the book, pretty much everybody Spidey goes to for help basically tells him, "She's an old woman, Peter. It's her time. Move on with your life."
//and, of course, since this was the Will of Quesada™, he doesn't.
 
2012-12-19 12:23:21 PM

frepnog: Decillion: Spawn broke out for a while I guess.

yeah and then a really shiatty movie killed any momentum that Spawn might have had. Spawn should be HUGE. And then they let that cinematic turd out and ............................

/Spawn deserves a re-do.


I'm really surprised they haven't given Spawn another chance. The closest thing to a relaunch was the animated series on HBO a while ago. I think the problem is the movie attempt at Spawn just came along at the wrong time. Now that we're in a post-Batman Begins mentality of grimdark superhero tales, Spawn would be perfect for a movie reboot. Although I did really like the casting of the existing movie.
 
2012-12-19 12:49:06 PM

frepnog: NeoCortex42: Issue 100 was nothing more than Kirkman saying "See, it's still shocking! I can be shocking!"

dude, I have been reading WD since the first year. Issue 100 was not just shocking, it was a punch in the gut and actually was one of the first times I felt affected by a fictional character. It was pretty freaking amazing. If you are bored with or turned off by the comic, fine, but it isn't just shocking to be shocking, it portrays a brutal world in which the shocking has become almost a mundane part of life for these people.


That is what I dont like. I started reading when it came out and I tapped out at Vol. 12, I think. I have been saying I am going to get back into it for a while but I am enjoying other stuff at the moment. Your post peaked my interest so maybe it will happen sooner rather than later.
 
2012-12-19 12:59:54 PM

NeoCortex42: The closest thing to a relaunch was the animated series on HBO a while ago.


that wasn't a relaunch. It actually came out around the same time as the film. Problem was that comic book films had not yet went thru the renaissance that they have experienced at this time. So.... comic book properties tended to suck, suck suck. The cartoon ditched the style of the comic for an "x-men" animated style, and it sucked. The movie was poorly written, poorly acted, had piss-poor FX and just sucked sucked sucked. Spawn SERIOUSLY deserves a re-do, because at the moment the property has left a very bad taste in the mouth of the public, which is very sad since the character is awesome, the world he resides in is awesome and now that FX could do it justice, McFarlane should really start shopping the IP out and get something GREAT done, something true to the character with mind-blowing FX. God know the man has enough MONEY, he is worth like 300 mil.
 
2012-12-19 01:00:32 PM
... what the hell, Marvel. Did Peter Parker snap the neck of Joe Quesada's dog?
 
2012-12-19 01:05:06 PM
Guys, if you're tired of these shiatty storylines, don't go nerd rage and 'I KEEL YOU!!!!' on the forums. Do what the rest of us have already done.

Stop buying the comics.

Seriously, it's as easy as that. You don't want crappy stories, don't buy the books with them. The 'But...but...the collection...' argument is invalid these days since publishers cancel runs and restart books all the time. Vote with your money, not your mouth. Hysterics like this just get, rightfully, written off as impotent nerd rage.
 
2012-12-19 01:22:40 PM

bark_atda_moon: God that story arc sounds terrible.


The upcoming "Superior Spider-Man" looks to be the exact opposite of the relaunched "The Avengers". As in, artist are gonna be meh, the writing will be meh and the whole story behind it will be "meh".
 
2012-12-19 01:26:32 PM

RoyFokker'sGhost: Guys, if you're tired of these shiatty storylines, don't go nerd rage and 'I KEEL YOU!!!!' on the forums. Do what the rest of us have already done.

Stop buying the comics.

Seriously, it's as easy as that. You don't want crappy stories, don't buy the books with them. The 'But...but...the collection...' argument is invalid these days since publishers cancel runs and restart books all the time. Vote with your money, not your mouth. Hysterics like this just get, rightfully, written off as impotent nerd rage.


Already did, a long time ago. I'll still nerd rage if I like, thanks.
 
2012-12-19 01:27:38 PM

DarkPascual: HeartBurnKid: DarkPascual: /Agree that Bruce Wayne should retire as Batman and let Dick Grayson take the mantle...

He did for a while; there was that whole plot with the time traveling bullet, but even after Bruce returned from that, Dick stayed as Batman with Bruce as his benefactor (along with the benefactor of a whole lot of other vigilantes; hence, "Batman Inc." Then the New 52 don't-call-it-a-reboot happened.

Oh, I knew that. I actually thought that "Batman Inc," had some awesome potential and I was under the impression that the "New 52" would carry that storyline...

Say what you will about how Japanese media manages their concepts on manga, but at least I think that since their works are more creator-owned rather than corporate properties, it allows a better sense of growth and progression of the story and characters.

I love American comics to death, and I love the superhero genre, but let the things change.

"Would you like Spiderman to grow old and die?" Yeah... actually that would be interesting...


Batman Inc is still ongoing, and even better than it was before the break for the Reboot.
 
2012-12-19 01:31:19 PM

killdawabbitt: I wish there were a mandatory retirement age for comic book characters. They've basically ruined Spider-Man from my memories of the 70's and 80's. It's like that crappy "ER" show- no doctors could leave the show without getting murdered or getting brain cancer. Why?


You know, I always laugh at posts like this because the very people who say "Damn, I wish 'X' would retire/die" will either biatch about the new person playing the same character (i.e. Dick becoming Batman, et. al.) or let us know what a great movie "Skyfall" was. I OTOH take it in stride: if I don't like it, I don't buy it.

Also: This is why the Utlimate Universe has never appealed to me. There will come a point in the Utlimate Universe where the writers will get stuck and have to end the UU; Marvel (seeing as there's too much money being made in UU comics, whatever that amount is) can't end it and will tell the writers to figure out another way to NOT end it so they can keep making money off of it.
 
2012-12-19 01:36:35 PM
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2012-12-19 01:37:16 PM

skepticultist: This is some pretty weaksauce nonsense from Marvel. I don't mind the storyline, hell that's why you read comics, for the ridiculous storylines, but I hate it when they practically decorate the trapdoor that let's them bail from the story with neon lights.


It's entertainment, that's why I enjoy the hell out of it. When something gets ridiculous (i.e. Civil War), I drop it altogether and wait till it gets interesting again.
 
2012-12-19 01:39:23 PM

likefunbutnot: I have no comment on Batman except to say that it is one of only two DC properties (the other is Captain Marvel) that I don't completely hate.


For me it's Zatanna, GL and Captain Marvel. Right now however the DCnU's a mess; so I've just dropped them altogether and wait 'till they get their crap together.
 
2012-12-19 01:40:41 PM

Rwa2play: For me it's Zatanna, GL and Captain Marvel. Right now however the DCnU's a mess; so I've just dropped them altogether and wait 'till they get their crap together.


I have been enjoying Frankenstein, Batman, Animal Man, Swamp Thing, and All Star Westerns a lot. Stopped reading everything else.
 
2012-12-19 01:41:07 PM

RoyFokker'sGhost: Guys, if you're tired of these shiatty storylines, don't go nerd rage and 'I KEEL YOU!!!!' on the forums. Do what the rest of us have already done.

Stop buying the comics.

Seriously, it's as easy as that. You don't want crappy stories, don't buy the books with them. The 'But...but...the collection...' argument is invalid these days since publishers cancel runs and restart books all the time. Vote with your money, not your mouth. Hysterics like this just get, rightfully, written off as impotent nerd rage.


Yep. Vote with your dollar.

Marvel Comics (and DC as well) seems to be run by people that have a "screw the fan" mindset, ironically in hopes of getting new readers. They generate car wrecks hoping to turn a head or two, rather than encouraging continued readers. Sales boost for a little while, but it doesn't last, so another wreck is orchestrated. It's the difference between getting noticed for running a game winning touchdown play, or for running around public streets smeared with shiat. Marvel doesn't see a difference, so long as they get attention and someone throws them a buck.

Comics are a business, and they are looking for QUICK QUICK QUICK profits in a dying medium, so they orchestrate progressively worse soap opera level plots, completely shiat-canning any kind of relevant continuity to fit editorial whim. But that costs "goodwill", another vital ingredient in business, where the customer trusts you, feels you are putting out a quality product that "matters", and that you do what you can to address customers' concerns fairly and politely. Having editors and creators take to the social media sites to goad or troll or insult fans is far from professional. If they are so proud of the work, let it stand on it's own. People will like or hate it without having to take it "personal" via direct responses to messages.

I've seen some goofy comics in the past, and had to weather "bad stories", but the Clone Saga and OMD was the first ones that caused me to disregard the printed page and focus on the creators behind it. They were managed so badly (and in OMD's case, so bad from the get-go) that you HAD to ask "where the hell is the editor or editor in chief on this, who the hell green-lit this" and then you realize the editor, the guy hired to safeguard the character like a chaperon at the prom, is pimping the kid out for tricks behind the gym. The EDITOR is the writer, the BOSS is telling the stories that fundamentally betray the character they are hired to "protect", and no employee is gonna tell him his plan SUCKS. That gets you crap like OMD.

After OMD, they already jumped the shark, so now their just trolling readers with more and more crap. I don't even hate Slott, I liked several of his stories ("Arkham Asylum" was great!), but I have read #700 and unless they leaked a full issue as a fake, then I can't help but read it and think "very bad, bad idea, you have to fix this quick". It's like a depressing, bad "What If?" comic. When the writer himself knows he's gonna have to hide in a cave after 700's release, then you know what you are writing is gonna seriously displease the fans (customers) to epic levels. How smart is that, business-wise?

There are so many negative consequences for the character, the brand, the marketability and the character itself in the context of story, from this idea. It's not just a short story arc - they issued a new series and new numbering, and allege that this is for the long term (yeah, right). Ock will lay waste to Parker's life, (possibly) screw his ex (or exs) under deception (i.e. RAPE), and Gawd only knows what else. The alternative is that Parker's family catches on, and thus that requires a whole new supporting cast. And there is no way that Parker, if restored, would recover from that, nor would he ever be ok with that, for any reason, even if it's a last wish. Sorry, in No. 700 the hero lost, lost badly, lost pathetically (for now, anyway), and had his whole life co-opted by a mass murder, who we NOW are asked to spend money on to read about (as if someone like that could be redeemed). And not just a down on his luck criminal trying to repent by becoming Spidey, or a new hero trying to live up to the name, but a MAJOR LEAGUE mass murderer. Only someone who thought selling your marriage to the devil was a good idea could green-light that. I can't imagine the MOUSE is gonna be ok with this for long. This will undoubtedly be reversed, stripping the creators of even more credibility, Marvel of even more good will, and proving, yet again, that the guys in charge have got to go. The Clone Saga and OMD taught them nothing.

Marvel and DC's problems will not be solved until the brass running them (I'm looking at you, Quesada and Didio) are shown the door. OMD proved that to me for Marvel, and DCNu (nice idea, badly executed, done too often) was for Didio. And OMD killed me on Spider-Man. Not Marvel in general, but Spider-Man. But 700 killed me for Marvel. The lunatics are running the asylum, and I'm tired of funding it. If I see wholesale change, I may be back, but no promises. You lost the good will, Marvel - you lost the trust. I'd be embarrassed to try to coax a kid into reading this stuff now.

So thank you, Marvel, for encouraging me to save money, or to give my money to new creators with new ideas, new characters, etc. OMD helped to introduce me to new DC comics I'd never considered, and 700 is gonna do the same for others. Thanks for the years of taking my money, but that's done now. Best of luck, you're gonna need every ounce of it.
 
2012-12-19 01:46:33 PM
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I liked the ending.
 
2012-12-19 01:47:32 PM

GoodyearPimp: I stopped caring about comics and comic book nerds around the same time I discovered vaginas.


Yet here you are blathering on the internet about not caring about the former like it will somehow further your quest for the latter.

Newsflash, liking comics does not prevent someone from having sex.
 
2012-12-19 01:48:22 PM

Surool: [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x383]

I liked the ending.


I have been tempted to jump in on Umbrella Academy.

I am readying a lot of Mignola right now so I am having trouble spending my money anywhere else.
 
2012-12-19 01:50:16 PM
Were Marvel's comics always this stupid? I basically gave up trying with them just before that whole Onslaught saga thing when they killed pretty much everybody, but were they ever really any less dumb than this even before that?
 
2012-12-19 01:51:18 PM
HST's Dead Carcass:

They did that story arc when Beta Ray Bill took over after Loki turned Thor into a frog.
 
Must have failed his save vs. polymorph. Even gods roll ones I suppose.
 
2012-12-19 01:51:24 PM

Gunny Highway: Rwa2play: For me it's Zatanna, GL and Captain Marvel. Right now however the DCnU's a mess; so I've just dropped them altogether and wait 'till they get their crap together.

I have been enjoying Frankenstein, Batman, Animal Man, Swamp Thing, and All Star Westerns a lot. Stopped reading everything else.


I enjoyed Zatanna's book; HATED TPTB turning Zatanna into a goth chick. Farking stupid, didn't like it in the Seven Soldiers story, like it even less now.

STILL can't understand how Geoff Johns can write an incredible, compelling story in "Rebirth", write the first 50 or so issues of GL well...then descend into the stupid that is his current gigs.

Frankly, most writing in the major books of both DC and Marvel these days scream "WE NEED YOU TO BUY THIS BOOK!" I mean jeez, even JK Rowling can write a decent story about magic and make ungodly sums of money out of it, why can't they?
 
2012-12-19 01:55:51 PM

Gunny Highway: Surool: [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x383]

I liked the ending.

I have been tempted to jump in on Umbrella Academy.

I am readying a lot of Mignola right now so I am having trouble spending my money anywhere else.


I have the trade paperbacks. There are only two (they won't set you back much) and the art alone is worth the price. Twisted and fun.
 
2012-12-19 01:59:03 PM

Rwa2play: STILL can't understand how Geoff Johns can write an incredible, compelling story in "Rebirth", write the first 50 or so issues of GL well...then descend into the stupid that is his current gigs.


I concur in spades. I LOVED Rebirth, and what came after. A blast.

Either his creative tank has run dry, he's "pressured" into these stories by outside persons, or he's stretched too thin with new work responsibilities.
 
2012-12-19 02:00:36 PM

Surool: I have the trade paperbacks. There are only two (they won't set you back much) and the art alone is worth the price. Twisted and fun.


Awesome. I have a feeling I will be getting a gift certificate to my shop so I will pick them up next week.
 
2012-12-19 03:07:42 PM


You know, I always laugh at posts like this because the very people who say "Damn, I wish 'X' would retire/die" will either biatch about the new person playing the same character (i.e. Dick becoming Batman, et. al.) or let us know what a great movie "Skyfall" was. I OTOH take it in stride: if I don't like it, I don't buy it.

Also: This is why the Utlimate Universe has never appealed to me. There will come a point in the Utlimate Universe where the writers will get stuck and have to end the UU; Marvel (seeing as there's too much money being made in UU comics, whatever that amount is) can't end it and will tell the writers to figure out another way to NOT end it so they can keep making money off of it.


Well, I personally don't care when they change actors/characters, provided they do it tastefully in accordance with the values of the said character. For example, Connery was the best Bond, and he had to go at some point. I hated most Moore and Brosnan Bond movies, not because they changed the actors, but because they mutated the character into something stupid. I do enjoy the newer movies much more.

If no one wants to see Dick Grayson as Batman (buys the books), and you actually have some regard for the character, isn't it better to retire the character than to sully it with pointless stories that make everyone hate him?
 
2012-12-19 03:32:09 PM

bark_atda_moon: God that story arc sounds terrible.



that's because it really is.
 
2012-12-19 03:46:57 PM

Hawnkee: So who the fark shot J.R.?


Snape
 
2012-12-19 04:07:58 PM
It's not just comic book fans. R.A. Salvatore got death threats for killing off Chewie, and he was essentially ordered to do so... by Lucas himself.

/chill out, fans
//Chewie went out like a BOSS
 
2012-12-19 04:15:23 PM

Jgok: It's not just comic book fans. R.A. Salvatore got death threats for killing off Chewie, and he was essentially ordered to do so... by Lucas himself.

/chill out, fans
//Chewie went out like a BOSS

I must have been dreaming but I could swear Chewie had a planet dropped on him. That can't be right.
 
2012-12-19 04:18:02 PM

DarkPascual: Oh, I knew that. I actually thought that "Batman Inc," had some awesome potential and I was under the impression that the "New 52" would carry that storyline...


It did. It just took awhile for Batman Inc vol 2 to start up again. The finale of the first volume got sidetracked by the new 52 and then got released as a special after it despite being set before it. Bit of a mess but it worked out I think.

Thankfully, with some edits, everything in the Grant Morrisson run is current as well as much of his post-Crisis history. While Superman is fairly recent as the first "public" superhero, Batman had been operating for years before as an unconfirmed urban legend.

Green Lantern is pretty unchanged AFAIK too.
 
2012-12-19 04:53:31 PM

Decillion: It's really that there are a set amount of characters that are established and they have to be used continuously. Has there been any new 'big' characters created since the 60's? Spawn broke out for a while I guess. Otherwise it's always:

Spider-man
Thor
Iron Man
Captain America
Hulk
Daredevil
X-Men
Fantastic Four

Batman
Superman
Green Lantern
Flash
Wonder Woman


Depends on your definition. Known in comics "big" or known to non-comics fans "big"? There've been a fair number in the first category and even a few in the second.

Off the top of my head...

The All New X-Men
--Wolverine
--Storm
--Colossus
Gambit
Rogue
Deadpool
Elektra
Ultimate Nick Fury
Booster Gold
The New Gods (including Darkseid)
Firestorm
Lobo
John Constantine
Hellboy
Spawn
 
2012-12-19 04:55:39 PM

Pyynk: Decillion: It's really that there are a set amount of characters that are established and they have to be used continuously. Has there been any new 'big' characters created since the 60's? Spawn broke out for a while I guess. Otherwise it's always:

Spider-man
Thor
Iron Man
Captain America
Hulk
Daredevil
X-Men
Fantastic Four

Batman
Superman
Green Lantern
Flash
Wonder Woman

Depends on your definition. Known in comics "big" or known to non-comics fans "big"? There've been a fair number in the first category and even a few in the second.

Off the top of my head...

The All New X-Men
--Wolverine
--Storm
--Colossus
Gambit
Rogue
Deadpool
Elektra
Ultimate Nick Fury
Booster Gold
The New Gods (including Darkseid)
Firestorm
Lobo
John Constantine
Hellboy
Spawn


Oops! Forgot the Punisher.
 
2012-12-19 05:58:25 PM
I grew up as a DC fanboy, thanks to the Super-Friends cartoons. Now that DC kept fiddling with their continuity over and over again (Crisis was necessary, but Zero Hour, Infinite Crisis and Nu52 were not), I've pretty much given up on them. The only thing i'm reading by DC is Legion Of Super Heroes, since it basically follows the pre-Crisis continuity with some slight alterations added from the post-Zero Hour and Threeboot Legions. Plus Paul Levitz is writing it, and his 1982-1989 run was the title's zenith, especially "The Great Darkness Saga" and "Who Is Sensor Girl?".

The only Marvel titles I'm following now are Spider-Man (but not much longer if this rumor is true), X-men, and X-Factor. X-Men got a lot better after they killed off Jean (and stay dead, you puta), added the glorious Queen B*tch Emma to cast and made Cyclops a total dick.
 
2012-12-19 06:08:27 PM

Decillion: Jgok: It's not just comic book fans. R.A. Salvatore got death threats for killing off Chewie, and he was essentially ordered to do so... by Lucas himself.

/chill out, fans
//Chewie went out like a BOSS
I must have been dreaming but I could swear Chewie had a planet dropped on him. That can't be right.


I'm pretty sure Chewie died fighting Bruenor.
 
2012-12-19 06:41:48 PM

FuryOfFirestorm: I grew up as a DC fanboy, thanks to the Super-Friends cartoons. Now that DC kept fiddling with their continuity over and over again (Crisis was necessary, but Zero Hour, Infinite Crisis and Nu52 were not), I've pretty much given up on them. The only thing i'm reading by DC is Legion Of Super Heroes, since it basically follows the pre-Crisis continuity with some slight alterations added from the post-Zero Hour and Threeboot Legions. Plus Paul Levitz is writing it, and his 1982-1989 run was the title's zenith, especially "The Great Darkness Saga" and "Who Is Sensor Girl?".

The only Marvel titles I'm following now are Spider-Man (but not much longer if this rumor is true), X-men, and X-Factor. X-Men got a lot better after they killed off Jean (and stay dead, you puta), added the glorious Queen B*tch Emma to cast and made Cyclops a total dick.


Of the X-books, Uncanny X-Force and Wolverine and the X-men, especially Wolverine and the X-Men, have been fantastic recently. It is a shame that X-Force ended today.
 
2012-12-19 08:48:10 PM
God Marvel Now has sucked so hard
 
2012-12-19 09:19:20 PM

Trafficguy2000: God Marvel Now has sucked so hard


Uh, Noooooooooooooooo. "The Avengers" is pretty "holy sh*t" epic by the art alone.
 
2012-12-19 09:48:36 PM

Rwa2play: Trafficguy2000: God Marvel Now has sucked so hard

Uh, Noooooooooooooooo. "The Avengers" is pretty "holy sh*t" epic by the art alone.


Not to mention how farking great Hawkguy is.
 
2012-12-19 10:48:03 PM

Decillion: Jgok: It's not just comic book fans. R.A. Salvatore got death threats for killing off Chewie, and he was essentially ordered to do so... by Lucas himself.

/chill out, fans
//Chewie went out like a BOSS
I must have been dreaming but I could swear Chewie had a planet dropped on him. That can't be right.


A moon, so close enough. He made a choice to save Han's son even though he knew it would cost him his own life. He died a hero, roaring defiance as the moon came down (and then Han turned into a whiny drunk bastard).
 
2012-12-19 10:55:51 PM

PonceAlyosha: Rwa2play: Trafficguy2000: God Marvel Now has sucked so hard

Uh, Noooooooooooooooo. "The Avengers" is pretty "holy sh*t" epic by the art alone.

Not to mention how farking great Hawkguy is.


sorry I haven't picked up the Avengers yet but I don't like the direction Uncanny Avengers is heading. , Iron Man in space and Captain America in another dimension ,I just don't like it that much. at least we'll always have X Factor and Wolverine and the x-men hopefully.
/ I will keep reading of course because I am 1 of those guys
 
2012-12-20 12:14:26 AM
Issue 700? I think they have a club for that!

www.lawton911.com

/oops, wrong club...
 
2012-12-20 12:24:20 AM
 
2012-12-20 01:50:33 AM

pciszek: Huh, whenever I submit a link that has already been submitted, FARK tells me so and rejects it automatically. But this link gets greenlit two days in a row.

Compare: Link vs. Link


Ummm...
img266.imageshack.us
 
2012-12-20 05:19:43 AM
This is why I don't read comic books. Not worth reading mostly.

Give me a good story or something plausible, or completely implausible. Don't jerk us around and make it feel hamfisted.

THIS IS 100% HAMFISTED and if I actually cared I would be mad, but I don't so marvel? go fark yourself and get some better writers asap.
 
2012-12-20 06:43:31 AM

Trafficguy2000: God Marvel Now has sucked so hard


What is the whole point of "Marvel Now"? Is it a reboot like "Heroes Reborn", an alternate universe like the Ultimate Universe, or an alternate timeline like "Age Of Apocalypse"?
 
2012-12-20 08:15:15 AM

FuryOfFirestorm: Trafficguy2000: God Marvel Now has sucked so hard

What is the whole point of "Marvel Now"? Is it a reboot like "Heroes Reborn", an alternate universe like the Ultimate Universe, or an alternate timeline like "Age Of Apocalypse"?


None of the above. They started a bunch of new series with the characters are being shuffled to new creative teams. Continuity is unchanged.
 
2012-12-20 09:11:43 AM

PonceAlyosha: FuryOfFirestorm: Trafficguy2000: God Marvel Now has sucked so hard

What is the whole point of "Marvel Now"? Is it a reboot like "Heroes Reborn", an alternate universe like the Ultimate Universe, or an alternate timeline like "Age Of Apocalypse"?

None of the above. They started a bunch of new series with the characters are being shuffled to new creative teams. Continuity is unchanged.


Basically, it's an attempt to compete with DC's New 52, without the stupidity of actually rebooting their universe.
 
2012-12-20 09:54:06 AM

HeartBurnKid: PonceAlyosha: FuryOfFirestorm: Trafficguy2000: God Marvel Now has sucked so hard

What is the whole point of "Marvel Now"? Is it a reboot like "Heroes Reborn", an alternate universe like the Ultimate Universe, or an alternate timeline like "Age Of Apocalypse"?

None of the above. They started a bunch of new series with the characters are being shuffled to new creative teams. Continuity is unchanged.

Basically, it's an attempt to compete with DC's New 52, without the stupidity of actually rebooting their universe.


This. By the art alone, "The Avengers" has outdone "Justice League".
 
2012-12-20 10:22:35 AM

likefunbutnot: pkellmey: Apparently, the author is trying to sneak in a chance for the worst comic book writer of the year award before the end of the year.

The thing is, Dan Slott gets Spider-Man on a deep, genetic level. Slott has been responsible for the best Spider-Man comics in decades. I'm completely willing to see where he's going with this, if only because this IS Dan Slott.


However, this "enormous" change is an all-new development for the decades-old character and will result in a far darker Spider-Man than fans have ever seen, promises Dan Slott, the Amazing Spider-Man writer who's heading up Superior Spider-Man. "The one thing that does not go with this Spider-Man is the term 'Friendly neighborhood.' No. That's gone.

"I've always been the omniscient hand that's been protecting Peter Parker and Spider-Man, and not letting anything too bad happen to him," he adds. "And now I've become this cruel god. There's something exciting about that, about going, 'Mwah-ha-ha-ha-ha, here is what's going to happen to you, Spider-Man!' And it's drastic and it's big and it's exciting and it's never been done before."

i186.photobucket.com
Writer with a god complex and the reins to one of the most popular superheroes in comic history!

/that is all.
 
2012-12-20 10:45:15 AM

Brainsick: likefunbutnot: pkellmey: Apparently, the author is trying to sneak in a chance for the worst comic book writer of the year award before the end of the year.

The thing is, Dan Slott gets Spider-Man on a deep, genetic level. Slott has been responsible for the best Spider-Man comics in decades. I'm completely willing to see where he's going with this, if only because this IS Dan Slott.

However, this "enormous" change is an all-new development for the decades-old character and will result in a far darker Spider-Man than fans have ever seen, promises Dan Slott, the Amazing Spider-Man writer who's heading up Superior Spider-Man. "The one thing that does not go with this Spider-Man is the term 'Friendly neighborhood.' No. That's gone.

"I've always been the omniscient hand that's been protecting Peter Parker and Spider-Man, and not letting anything too bad happen to him," he adds. "And now I've become this cruel god. There's something exciting about that, about going, 'Mwah-ha-ha-ha-ha, here is what's going to happen to you, Spider-Man!' And it's drastic and it's big and it's exciting and it's never been done before."

[i186.photobucket.com image 506x105]
Writer with a god complex and the reins to one of the most popular superheroes in comic history!

/that is all.


Slott missed that whole "with great power...lesson".
 
2012-12-20 10:58:53 AM

Brainsick: likefunbutnot: pkellmey: Apparently, the author is trying to sneak in a chance for the worst comic book writer of the year award before the end of the year.

The thing is, Dan Slott gets Spider-Man on a deep, genetic level. Slott has been responsible for the best Spider-Man comics in decades. I'm completely willing to see where he's going with this, if only because this IS Dan Slott.

However, this "enormous" change is an all-new development for the decades-old character and will result in a far darker Spider-Man than fans have ever seen, promises Dan Slott, the Amazing Spider-Man writer who's heading up Superior Spider-Man. "The one thing that does not go with this Spider-Man is the term 'Friendly neighborhood.' No. That's gone.

"I've always been the omniscient hand that's been protecting Peter Parker and Spider-Man, and not letting anything too bad happen to him," he adds. "And now I've become this cruel god. There's something exciting about that, about going, 'Mwah-ha-ha-ha-ha, here is what's going to happen to you, Spider-Man!' And it's drastic and it's big and it's exciting and it's never been done before."

[i186.photobucket.com image 506x105]
Writer with a god complex and the reins to one of the most popular superheroes in comic history!

/that is all.


Yeah, they tried to do the "darker and grittier Spider-Man" bit in the '90s. It sucked so bad that they started the whole Clone Saga thing to un-do it.

That's right, the Clone Saga was an attempt to fix something that was even worse.
 
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