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(io9)   Death threats for writing issue 700 of The Amazing Spiderman? You comic book nerds are hardcore. They didn't even do that for the ending of Dallas   (io9.com) divider line 93
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2012-12-19 09:35:47 AM
So who the fark shot J.R.?
 
2012-12-19 09:37:00 AM
Seriously, nobody in comic books stays dead.

There's a mind scanning machine somewhere that made a backup copy, or there's a clone, or a time rift, or voodoo magic, or any number of contrived plot devices that can bring a character back. Hero or villain, it doesn't matter.

A character get put in the ground but sure as shiat, they show up later out of nowhere for reasons that were never eluded to. Deus ex machina.
 
2012-12-19 09:44:28 AM
God that story arc sounds terrible.
 
2012-12-19 09:49:23 AM
I stopped caring about comics and comic book nerds around the same time I discovered vaginas.
 
2012-12-19 09:49:36 AM
Apparently, the author is trying to sneak in a chance for the worst comic book writer of the year award before the end of the year.
 
2012-12-19 09:50:36 AM
Death threats are (obviously) an overreaction but that is one massively stupid arc. I get that life always gives Spidey a metaphorical kick to the jimmy but DAMN! That is just ridiculous.
 
2012-12-19 09:51:13 AM
I wish there were a mandatory retirement age for comic book characters. They've basically ruined Spider-Man from my memories of the 70's and 80's. It's like that crappy "ER" show- no doctors could leave the show without getting murdered or getting brain cancer. Why?

I'm not saying there can't be a Spider-Man, just let Peter Parker retire before messing with the character so much. Then you'd get less death threats.

Characters I'd like to see retire (besides Parker):

1. Bruce Wayne
2. Punisher (Vet traumatized by Vietnam... makes him how old?)
3. Tony Stark (wasn't he in Vietnam too??)
4. Reed Richards
5. All original X men cast. How many times can you die and come back? I don't want to know. Go live on a beach somewhere.

Also, Thor could go on a 10 year vacation or something. You think the series peaked when they killed Loki that one time. And Ragnarok happened.
 
2012-12-19 09:55:29 AM
Spider-Man has been uninteresting since they basically ret-conned everything interesting about him with the Mesphisto thing. Dan Slott is a decent writer, but nobody loves his writing more than he does.Nobody has done anything nearly as interesting as JMS, and Marvel is too afraid to have their characters actually grow, so... whatever.
 
2012-12-19 09:57:42 AM

pkellmey: Apparently, the author is trying to sneak in a chance for the worst comic book writer of the year award before the end of the year.


The thing is, Dan Slott gets Spider-Man on a deep, genetic level. Slott has been responsible for the best Spider-Man comics in decades. I'm completely willing to see where he's going with this, if only because this IS Dan Slott.
 
2012-12-19 09:58:58 AM

Hebalo: .Nobody has done anything nearly as interesting as JMS


... whereas JMS is responsible for the Spider-Man run that can only be matched by the Clone Saga for its wretchedness.
 
2012-12-19 09:59:49 AM

ampoliros: Seriously, nobody in comic books stays dead.


The single biggest flaw in open-ended comic books is probably the lack of lasting consequences.
 
2012-12-19 10:00:31 AM
Huh, whenever I submit a link that has already been submitted, FARK tells me so and rejects it automatically. But this link gets greenlit two days in a row.

Compare: Link vs. Link
 
2012-12-19 10:01:17 AM

GoodyearPimp: I stopped caring about comics and comic book nerds around the same time I discovered vaginas.


good to know that all that matters in your life is pussy.
 
2012-12-19 10:02:35 AM

Hawnkee: So who the fark shot J.R.?


Han shot first
 
2012-12-19 10:03:58 AM
Please grow up.

It's getting ridiculous.
 
2012-12-19 10:06:01 AM

likefunbutnot: The thing is, Dan Slott gets Spider-Man on a deep, genetic level. Slott has been responsible for the best Spider-Man comics in decades. I'm completely willing to see where he's going with this, if only because this IS Dan Slott.


No matter how good of a writer he is, this type of arc can only create groan inducing endings. This isn't the type of story creation that generates more readers or revenue, as has been proven many times in the past.
 
2012-12-19 10:09:31 AM

balthan: ampoliros: Seriously, nobody in comic books stays dead.

The single biggest flaw in open-ended comic books is probably the lack of lasting consequences.


The Walking Dead does "lasting consequences" pretty well....
 
2012-12-19 10:11:57 AM

likefunbutnot: Hebalo: .Nobody has done anything nearly as interesting as JMS

... whereas JMS is responsible for the Spider-Man run that can only be matched by the Clone Saga for its wretchedness.



I am NOT going to be friends with you.
 
2012-12-19 10:13:18 AM

killdawabbitt: Also, Thor could go on a 10 year vacation or something. You think the series peaked when they killed Loki that one time. And Ragnarok happened.


They did that story arc when Beta Ray Bill took over after Loki turned Thor into a frog.
 
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/hot like the enchantress
 
2012-12-19 10:13:39 AM

AFKobel: balthan: ampoliros: Seriously, nobody in comic books stays dead.

The single biggest flaw in open-ended comic books is probably the lack of lasting consequences.

The Walking Dead does "lasting consequences" pretty well....


It also needs to wrap up soon. It's already getting a bit repetitive, and should not be run indefinitely.
 
2012-12-19 10:26:57 AM

killdawabbitt: 2. Punisher (Vet traumatized by Vietnam... makes him how old?)
3. Tony Stark (wasn't he in Vietnam too??)


They've retconned Tony Stark's origin to be around Desert Storm or some other more recent mid-East conflict. Same with the Marvel universe proper Punisher. The Max Punisher is still a 'Nam vet and is mostly portrayed as a 60-something guy.
 
2012-12-19 10:30:33 AM

Hebalo: I am NOT going to be friends with you.


If you want to defend the steaming pit that is the spider-totem/Morlun crap, you're going to have to expect every other comic fan with good taste and sense to disagree with you.

NeoCortex42: It also needs to wrap up soon. It's already getting a bit repetitive, and should not be run indefinitely.


I've read nearly all of Kirkman's output, from Invincible and Battle Pope to various Marvel titles.
He usually has great, cool ideas. He is TERRIBLE at developing and executing a worthwhile conclusion. I've decided that the best thing that could be done with him would be to find a writing collaborator or a much stronger editor.

In the Walking Dead, he has a pretty good template: Rick and the folks enter a new setting. Life stays good for a while. Philosophical pondering on the nature of humanity happen. Someone readers care about gets killed off. Rick and the surviving folks flee.
 
2012-12-19 10:31:39 AM

Disposable Rob: killdawabbitt: 2. Punisher (Vet traumatized by Vietnam... makes him how old?)
3. Tony Stark (wasn't he in Vietnam too??)


They've retconned Tony Stark's origin to be around Desert Storm or some other more recent mid-East conflict. Same with the Marvel universe proper Punisher. The Max Punisher is still a 'Nam vet and is mostly portrayed as a 60-something guy.


I liked Marvel over DC during my child precisely because they refused to ret-con anything- there was a single continuity for all their comics. Now they suck just as much as DC sucks (and has sucked). Well, I stopped reading years ago, but it's sad because I thought one day I'd let my kids read this stuff. Looks like he's just going to get reprints.
 
2012-12-19 10:55:36 AM

killdawabbitt: Characters I'd like to see retire (besides Parker):

1. Bruce Wayne
2. Punisher (Vet traumatized by Vietnam... makes him how old?)
3. Tony Stark (wasn't he in Vietnam too??)
4. Reed Richards
5. All original X men cast. How many times can you die and come back? I don't want to know. Go live on a beach somewhere.


I have no comment on Batman except to say that it is one of only two DC properties (the other is Captain Marvel) that I don't completely hate.

Depending on the writer, Punisher can be portrayed as anything up to a 60ish year old man and "I'm getting too old for this shiat" is kind of integral to the character. He doesn't work as well in the mainstream Marvel Universe because he's basically a superhero-endorsed mass murderer, but in his various stand-alone books the age and experience issues are definitely a factor.

Tony Stark's origin actually dates back to Korea, not Vietnam. That said, Tony Stark is kind of unique as far as heroes go since the womanizing recovering alcoholic gearhead with an ego the size of the sun gives writers a lot of stuff to work with. Iron Man is a super hero book that actually works pretty well even without the costumed hero part.

Reed Richards: The FF aren't really super heroes. They're science explorers. I didn't really get that until I read the Warren Ellis run on Ultimate Fantastic Four. Reed Richards doesn't need to retire or not exist, he really just needs to be doing the stuff that a guy like that would be doing. Which involves outer space or other dimensions and not so much the Baxter Building.

Xmen: I think writers need to figure out something to do with Iceman and with Angel. Writers love Beast. Cyclops gets short changed a lot, something that I think the AvX run was really trying to address but probably failed. The X-Men First Class comic featuring the original cast was far and away the best X-title being printed for the entire duration of its run, especially for the Coleen Coover backup stories. I'd pay $5/issue to get that running again.
 
2012-12-19 11:04:58 AM

NeoCortex42: AFKobel: balthan: ampoliros: Seriously, nobody in comic books stays dead.

The single biggest flaw in open-ended comic books is probably the lack of lasting consequences.

The Walking Dead does "lasting consequences" pretty well....

It also needs to wrap up soon. It's already getting a bit repetitive, and should not be run indefinitely.


kirkman says he has the next 100 issues or so plotted out.... so no, no time soon.
 
2012-12-19 11:05:51 AM

likefunbutnot: Xmen: I think writers need to figure out something to do with Iceman and with Angel. Writers love Beast. Cyclops gets short changed a lot, something that I think the AvX run was really trying to address but probably failed. The X-Men First Class comic featuring the original cast was far and away the best X-title being printed for the entire duration of its run, especially for the Coleen Coover backup stories. I'd pa ...


Against my expectations, I'm kind of enjoying All New X-men. At least I do like that editorial finally acknowledges that the last ten years of storyline are as dark and grim as anything that's appeared in any of the "dark futures" that the X-titles are always worrying about.
 
2012-12-19 11:13:23 AM

frepnog: NeoCortex42: AFKobel: balthan: ampoliros: Seriously, nobody in comic books stays dead.

The single biggest flaw in open-ended comic books is probably the lack of lasting consequences.

The Walking Dead does "lasting consequences" pretty well....

It also needs to wrap up soon. It's already getting a bit repetitive, and should not be run indefinitely.

kirkman says he has the next 100 issues or so plotted out.... so no, no time soon.


That's actually disappointing. I was hoping he'd find a way to bring it to some kind of closure, even if that closure is nothing more than "Rick & Carl continue to wonder the wasteland". Every arc now seems to follow the same pattern of wander->seemingly safe place->enjoy new characters->big threat revealed->lose new characters and safe place->wander.
Issue 100 was nothing more than Kirkman saying "See, it's still shocking! I can be shocking!"
 
2012-12-19 11:15:48 AM
This is some pretty weaksauce nonsense from Marvel. I don't mind the storyline, hell that's why you read comics, for the ridiculous storylines, but I hate it when they practically decorate the trapdoor that let's them bail from the story with neon lights.

They say that Peter Parker is going to die, and that Doc Ock will take over as Spider-Man.

Doc Ock will do that from inside Peter's body, which means Peter's body doesn't die.

Dock Ock will have access to all of Peter's memories, which means Peter's mind hasn't been wiped and still exists in some form.

It's so obvious that either Peter's soul will be returned to his body, ejecting Ock's soul and setting things right again, or that Ock!Peter will get electrocuted and his brain will "reboot" and Peter!Peter will return. The reset button on this one is lit up like a Christmas Tree, and I really don't see how anyone can see this as anything but a temporary condition.

Now the Death of Spider-Man storyline from Ultimate Spider-Man, the one that brought us Miles Morales, that is how you do a death storyline with a sense of finality. Even that one is reversible (cloning exists in the Ultimateverse, and a copy of Peter's mind exists in the form of Jessica Drew/Spider-Woman, so Peter could be brought back to life), but having Pete get shot through the chest, die, get buried, get eulogized, introducing a whole new character (who is awesome! I love Miles Morales!), and so on just feels intensely more real.

I expect this Ock!Peter storyline to last a whole year across all Spider-titles at best. And it will go down in history as being lame, but not as lame as the Clone Saga or One Last Day.
 
2012-12-19 11:18:13 AM
First things first. Death threads over a comic book storyline? Really?

I hate the phrase but... get a life...

About the comic, it's really just keep crapping on the Peter Parker character. Hated what they done with him after One More Day, and always thought that if Marvel ever decided to retire the character, they should have either kill him off on a last blaze of glory and later be recognized as a great hero that he is, or grant him a peaceful and happy life growing old with Mary Jane.

I understand that part of Peter's appeal is how he can't catch a break, but that would have made an eventual happy ending more satisfactory...

That been said, if they decide to kill of Peter Parker, keep him death for a good time. Superman is my favorite superhero (along with Batman and Green Lantern) and they should have keep them death, at least for SEVERAL years...

To me problem with comic books nowadays seems to be the need to keep status quo and trying to shake things up at the same time. They want the characters to change AND stay the same at the same time... is one way or another.

/Agree that Bruce Wayne should retire as Batman and let Dick Grayson take the mantle...
//Also Hal Jordan, but at least his death lasted a good while...
 
2012-12-19 11:22:14 AM

skepticultist: The reset button on this one is lit up like a Christmas Tree, and I really don't see how anyone can see this as anything but a temporary condition.


That's what people said about One More Day. So far, that one stuck.
 
2012-12-19 11:23:47 AM

DarkPascual: /Agree that Bruce Wayne should retire as Batman and let Dick Grayson take the mantle...


He did for a while; there was that whole plot with the time traveling bullet, but even after Bruce returned from that, Dick stayed as Batman with Bruce as his benefactor (along with the benefactor of a whole lot of other vigilantes; hence, "Batman Inc." Then the New 52 don't-call-it-a-reboot happened.
 
2012-12-19 11:32:42 AM
We know and they know everything will be reset. They just can't say it yet.

That's the comic cycle. All-New! All-Different! -> Back to Basics! -> All-New! All-Different!

The X-mansion always gets rebuilt. Xavier always goes back in the wheel chair. etc.
 
2012-12-19 11:46:24 AM
 
2012-12-19 11:50:07 AM

ampoliros: Seriously, nobody in comic books stays dead.

There's a mind scanning machine somewhere that made a backup copy, or there's a clone, or a time rift, or voodoo magic, or any number of contrived plot devices that can bring a character back. Hero or villain, it doesn't matter.

A character get put in the ground but sure as shiat, they show up later out of nowhere for reasons that were never eluded to. Deus ex machina.


I stopped reading comics in high school. I always wondered if I should have kept up with them; then I heard that Jason Todd was brought back, and I was glad I left them behind. When you undo some of the most dramatic events of your own story's history, you undercut all the drama of any story you tell from then on.
 
2012-12-19 11:51:26 AM
At which point in time did comic storylines get so messed up that death was not final/special? Again, I stopped reading comics in like 1995 or so, because it seemed like everyone was dying and then coming back (which seems to continue until today). I read every Spidey comic until then- he never died. He had personal problems. He got married. He had marital problems. Then things got screwey, I gave up.

The death of Captain Marvel was kinda special. I guess you can only die from cancer in comics. I remember Quasar dying... I'm sure they brought him back.

Now everyone seems to die, a few times a year even. Captain America? Died. Superman? Died, probably a few times now. Batman? not sure, but probably. Spiderman? Several times, seems like once per title. X-Men? Are you kidding me? They all die like 10 times. I loved it when Storm died. And Jean Grey. this title was ruined for me when they (both) came back. Prof. X? yeah, he died a few times... the first couple of times it was kinda plausible. I loved when Magneto took over the school. But you do it once- OK... With 1 major character.... The more you did it the less I cared.
 
2012-12-19 11:53:37 AM

HeartBurnKid: DarkPascual: /Agree that Bruce Wayne should retire as Batman and let Dick Grayson take the mantle...

He did for a while; there was that whole plot with the time traveling bullet, but even after Bruce returned from that, Dick stayed as Batman with Bruce as his benefactor (along with the benefactor of a whole lot of other vigilantes; hence, "Batman Inc." Then the New 52 don't-call-it-a-reboot happened.


Oh, I knew that. I actually thought that "Batman Inc," had some awesome potential and I was under the impression that the "New 52" would carry that storyline...

Say what you will about how Japanese media manages their concepts on manga, but at least I think that since their works are more creator-owned rather than corporate properties, it allows a better sense of growth and progression of the story and characters.

I love American comics to death, and I love the superhero genre, but let the things change.

"Would you like Spiderman to grow old and die?" Yeah... actually that would be interesting...
 
2012-12-19 11:57:57 AM

NeoCortex42: Issue 100 was nothing more than Kirkman saying "See, it's still shocking! I can be shocking!"


dude, I have been reading WD since the first year. Issue 100 was not just shocking, it was a punch in the gut and actually was one of the first times I felt affected by a fictional character. It was pretty freaking amazing. If you are bored with or turned off by the comic, fine, but it isn't just shocking to be shocking, it portrays a brutal world in which the shocking has become almost a mundane part of life for these people.
 
2012-12-19 11:59:57 AM

Hawnkee: So who the fark shot J.R.?


No one. That whole season was a dream.

/srsly
 
2012-12-19 12:01:43 PM
It's really that there are a set amount of characters that are established and they have to be used continuously. Has there been any new 'big' characters created since the 60's? Spawn broke out for a while I guess. Otherwise it's always:

Spider-man
Thor
Iron Man
Captain America
Hulk
Daredevil
X-Men
Fantastic Four

Batman
Superman
Green Lantern
Flash
Wonder Woman
 
2012-12-19 12:04:15 PM

Decillion: Spawn broke out for a while I guess.


yeah and then a really shiatty movie killed any momentum that Spawn might have had. Spawn should be HUGE. And then they let that cinematic turd out and ............................

/Spawn deserves a re-do.
 
2012-12-19 12:07:09 PM

Decillion: It's really that there are a set amount of characters that are established and they have to be used continuously. Has there been any new 'big' characters created since the 60's?


Outside of the Marvel/DC universes? Comics used to be very specific to these two areas, but now I think it would be difficult for anything to break out big because Dark Horse and several other universes have changed the definitions a lot. I don't know too many people who know a lot about the universes outside of the ones they have always followed.
 
2012-12-19 12:08:19 PM
If we're gong to let the One More Day author live; I don't see how we can go after this guy.
 
2012-12-19 12:17:42 PM

Decillion: It's really that there are a set amount of characters that are established and they have to be used continuously. Has there been any new 'big' characters created since the 60's? Spawn broke out for a while I guess. Otherwise it's always:

Spider-man
Thor
Iron Man
Captain America
Hulk
Daredevil
X-Men
Fantastic Four

Batman
Superman
Green Lantern
Flash
Wonder Woman


Marvel's had a couple. Deadpool was a '90s creation, and has become one of their staples.

TheZorker: If we're gong to let the One More Day author live; I don't see how we can go after this guy.


To be fair, JMS wrote One More Day under protest, and even lobbied to have his name taken off the books at one point. If you want to know who to go after for that shiat, it's Joe Quesada.

/interesting thing: if you read the book, pretty much everybody Spidey goes to for help basically tells him, "She's an old woman, Peter. It's her time. Move on with your life."
//and, of course, since this was the Will of Quesada™, he doesn't.
 
2012-12-19 12:23:21 PM

frepnog: Decillion: Spawn broke out for a while I guess.

yeah and then a really shiatty movie killed any momentum that Spawn might have had. Spawn should be HUGE. And then they let that cinematic turd out and ............................

/Spawn deserves a re-do.


I'm really surprised they haven't given Spawn another chance. The closest thing to a relaunch was the animated series on HBO a while ago. I think the problem is the movie attempt at Spawn just came along at the wrong time. Now that we're in a post-Batman Begins mentality of grimdark superhero tales, Spawn would be perfect for a movie reboot. Although I did really like the casting of the existing movie.
 
2012-12-19 12:49:06 PM

frepnog: NeoCortex42: Issue 100 was nothing more than Kirkman saying "See, it's still shocking! I can be shocking!"

dude, I have been reading WD since the first year. Issue 100 was not just shocking, it was a punch in the gut and actually was one of the first times I felt affected by a fictional character. It was pretty freaking amazing. If you are bored with or turned off by the comic, fine, but it isn't just shocking to be shocking, it portrays a brutal world in which the shocking has become almost a mundane part of life for these people.


That is what I dont like. I started reading when it came out and I tapped out at Vol. 12, I think. I have been saying I am going to get back into it for a while but I am enjoying other stuff at the moment. Your post peaked my interest so maybe it will happen sooner rather than later.
 
2012-12-19 12:59:54 PM

NeoCortex42: The closest thing to a relaunch was the animated series on HBO a while ago.


that wasn't a relaunch. It actually came out around the same time as the film. Problem was that comic book films had not yet went thru the renaissance that they have experienced at this time. So.... comic book properties tended to suck, suck suck. The cartoon ditched the style of the comic for an "x-men" animated style, and it sucked. The movie was poorly written, poorly acted, had piss-poor FX and just sucked sucked sucked. Spawn SERIOUSLY deserves a re-do, because at the moment the property has left a very bad taste in the mouth of the public, which is very sad since the character is awesome, the world he resides in is awesome and now that FX could do it justice, McFarlane should really start shopping the IP out and get something GREAT done, something true to the character with mind-blowing FX. God know the man has enough MONEY, he is worth like 300 mil.
 
2012-12-19 01:00:32 PM
... what the hell, Marvel. Did Peter Parker snap the neck of Joe Quesada's dog?
 
2012-12-19 01:05:06 PM
Guys, if you're tired of these shiatty storylines, don't go nerd rage and 'I KEEL YOU!!!!' on the forums. Do what the rest of us have already done.

Stop buying the comics.

Seriously, it's as easy as that. You don't want crappy stories, don't buy the books with them. The 'But...but...the collection...' argument is invalid these days since publishers cancel runs and restart books all the time. Vote with your money, not your mouth. Hysterics like this just get, rightfully, written off as impotent nerd rage.
 
2012-12-19 01:22:40 PM

bark_atda_moon: God that story arc sounds terrible.


The upcoming "Superior Spider-Man" looks to be the exact opposite of the relaunched "The Avengers". As in, artist are gonna be meh, the writing will be meh and the whole story behind it will be "meh".
 
2012-12-19 01:26:32 PM

RoyFokker'sGhost: Guys, if you're tired of these shiatty storylines, don't go nerd rage and 'I KEEL YOU!!!!' on the forums. Do what the rest of us have already done.

Stop buying the comics.

Seriously, it's as easy as that. You don't want crappy stories, don't buy the books with them. The 'But...but...the collection...' argument is invalid these days since publishers cancel runs and restart books all the time. Vote with your money, not your mouth. Hysterics like this just get, rightfully, written off as impotent nerd rage.


Already did, a long time ago. I'll still nerd rage if I like, thanks.
 
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