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2012-12-19 09:40:25 AM  
we're building up to something in this country, that's for sure.  exactly what, I don't know...but I've never seen the GOP in such a weak position as they are right now.
 
2012-12-19 09:51:21 AM  

Weaver95: we're building up to something in this country, that's for sure.  exactly what, I don't know...but I've never seen the GOP in such a weak position as they are right now.

 
There's something happening here 
What it is ain't exactly clear 
There's a man with a gun over there 
Telling me I got to beware 
 
I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound 
Everybody look what's going down 
 
There's battle lines being drawn 
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong 
Young people speaking their minds 
Getting so much resistance from behind 
 
I think it's time we stop, hey, what's that sound 
Everybody look what's going down 
 
What a field-day for the heat 
A thousand people in the street 
Singing songs and carrying signs 
Mostly say, hooray for our side 
 
It's time we stop, hey, what's that sound 
Everybody look what's going down 
 
Paranoia strikes deep 
Into your life it will creep 
It starts when you're always afraid 
You step out of line, the man come and take you away 
 
We better stop, hey, what's that sound 
Everybody look what's going down 
Stop, hey, what's that sound 
Everybody look what's going down 
Stop, now, what's that sound 
Everybody look what's going down 
Stop, children, what's that sound 
Everybody look what's going down 
 
2012-12-19 09:55:40 AM  
Finally some good snark

Glad to see fark returning to normalcy
 
2012-12-19 10:18:22 AM  
Did anyone else see the Google chart of searches for "Gun Control"? It's like twice as high as it ever was during the last 7 years of shootings.
 
2012-12-19 10:32:15 AM  

cman: Finally some good snark

Glad to see fark returning to normalcy



You're welcome
 
/subby
 
2012-12-19 11:06:12 AM  
New Jersey already has Camden and Newark. They know from shootings.
 
2012-12-19 11:15:24 AM  
It seems to me, from what I understand from voters, that's really rare. If it's legitimate supprt from the NRA, the voting body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. But let's assume that maybe that didn't work or something: I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be of the politician, and not attacking the rest of the country. 
 
2012-12-19 11:15:37 AM  

Weaver95: we're building up to something in this country, that's for sure.  exactly what, I don't know...but I've never seen the GOP in such a weak position as they are right now.


They'll be back. We fear change too much. Unless people really are figuring out how hard they've been screwed in the last 30 years. But I don't hold out much hope for that.
 
2012-12-19 11:17:58 AM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Weaver95: we're building up to something in this country, that's for sure.  exactly what, I don't know...but I've never seen the GOP in such a weak position as they are right now.

They'll be back. We fear change too much. Unless people really are figuring out how hard they've been screwed in the last 30 years. But I don't hold out much hope for that.



I dunno man.  the GOP is really starting to look like they're in serious danger of falling back down to a regional party.  past a certain point, they can't maintain the illusion of power and they'll implode.  I don't know where that breaking point is located or if/when we'll see it happen but I think the Republicans are closer to it now than ever before.
 
2012-12-19 11:20:30 AM  
That just makes it a lock for Cuccinelli in VA.
 
2012-12-19 11:20:53 AM  

Weaver95: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Weaver95: we're building up to something in this country, that's for sure.  exactly what, I don't know...but I've never seen the GOP in such a weak position as they are right now.

They'll be back. We fear change too much. Unless people really are figuring out how hard they've been screwed in the last 30 years. But I don't hold out much hope for that.


I dunno man.  the GOP is really starting to look like they're in serious danger of falling back down to a regional party.  past a certain point, they can't maintain the illusion of power and they'll implode.  I don't know where that breaking point is located or if/when we'll see it happen but I think the Republicans are closer to it now than ever before.



Closer, yes, but I don't think they'll really go regional. I think you may see an actual "Tea Party" as the fringe moves away, but the GOP will eventually move back to the more moderate party.
 
That said, expect Cantor to stage a coup after the fiscal cliff deal is reached
 
2012-12-19 11:22:42 AM  

somedude210: That said, expect Cantor to stage a coup after the fiscal cliff deal is reached


Cantor's set.
 
2012-12-19 11:23:01 AM  

Gulper Eel: New Jersey already has Camden and Newark. They know from shootings.



Which means if Booker throws his hat into the ring like I hope he does any position he takes is much stronger.  If the nearly universally loved mayor of Newark comes out and says gun control has made his city safer, how are you going to argue against him?
 
2012-12-19 11:25:45 AM  

somedude210: Closer, yes, but I don't think they'll really go regional. I think you may see an actual "Tea Party" as the fringe moves away, but the GOP will eventually move back to the more moderate party.



It will be interesting. Since the Democrats have moved to occupy the middle, the Republicans who wish to join them will be seen at traitors by many in their base. Those traitors will be primaried and replaced with Teabaggers. I think this will be a very difficult correction for the GOP to make. The Tea party spinning off it's own group could help with internal opposition, but might cost them the votes needed to remain a national player.
 
2012-12-19 11:27:19 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: That just makes it a lock for Cuccinelli in VA.


Wonderful. How soon until he changes the Commonwealth's flag?
 
2012-12-19 11:27:29 AM  

Weaver95: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Weaver95: we're building up to something in this country, that's for sure.  exactly what, I don't know...but I've never seen the GOP in such a weak position as they are right now.

They'll be back. We fear change too much. Unless people really are figuring out how hard they've been screwed in the last 30 years. But I don't hold out much hope for that.


I dunno man.  the GOP is really starting to look like they're in serious danger of falling back down to a regional party.  past a certain point, they can't maintain the illusion of power and they'll implode.  I don't know where that breaking point is located or if/when we'll see it happen but I think the Republicans are closer to it now than ever before.


It would make for some good television. Who would snatch up various fragments of the GOPs core? How would Democrats cope with the loss of their Greater Evil?
What the hell would fox news even do anymore?

To bad it wont happen.
 
2012-12-19 11:32:42 AM  

GAT_00: Which means if Booker throws his hat into the ring like I hope he does any position he takes is much stronger. If the nearly universally loved mayor of Newark comes out and says gun control has made his city safer, how are you going to argue against him?


New Jersey didn't pass gun control when Cory Booker showed up. If his city is safer, it's because Booker is the first mayor of Newark in about 40 years who didn't steal everything in sight...but that's not exactly a high bar to clear, except in Trenton. And Hoboken. And Secaucus...and...
 
2012-12-19 11:32:57 AM  

Holocaust Agnostic: Weaver95: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Weaver95: we're building up to something in this country, that's for sure.  exactly what, I don't know...but I've never seen the GOP in such a weak position as they are right now.

They'll be back. We fear change too much. Unless people really are figuring out how hard they've been screwed in the last 30 years. But I don't hold out much hope for that.


I dunno man.  the GOP is really starting to look like they're in serious danger of falling back down to a regional party.  past a certain point, they can't maintain the illusion of power and they'll implode.  I don't know where that breaking point is located or if/when we'll see it happen but I think the Republicans are closer to it now than ever before.

It would make for some good television. Who would snatch up various fragments of the GOPs core? How would Democrats cope with the loss of their Greater Evil?
What the hell would fox news even do anymore?

To bad it wont happen.


There's a lot of flaws coming from one side of our two-party system, but would you rather have a one-party system? We need to return sanity to the right.
 
2012-12-19 11:33:43 AM  

sprawl15: somedude210: That said, expect Cantor to stage a coup after the fiscal cliff deal is reached

Cantor's set.



I dunno. The scuttlebutt I've heard is that Cantor is the one holding back the negotiations because he refuses to let the Tea party wing vote for higher taxes. Boehner, it seems, is trying his damnest to get a deal in the works and wants to actually work with the president, even if they don't see eye to eye. Cantor and his motley crew are what's screwing them over in the House. I think if Boehner tries to replace Cantor as majority leader (ML and Speaker are two separate positions) then Cantor will retaliate and either force Boehner out of the speakership or have the TP become a separate entity within the House
 
/Cantor scares the crap out of me
//you know he has a knife ready
 
2012-12-19 11:33:46 AM  

GAT_00: Gulper Eel: New Jersey already has Camden and Newark. They know from shootings.


Which means if Booker throws his hat into the ring like I hope he does any position he takes is much stronger.  If the nearly universally loved mayor of Newark comes out and says gun control has made his city safer, how are you going to argue against him?


Yea, I live 20 miles north of Newark. He is not universally loved. Even by people like me who are liberal democrats. He's big on show and low on substance.

/Still ten thousand times better than Sharp James ever was.
 
2012-12-19 11:35:30 AM  

fracto: The Tea party spinning off it's own group


i213.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-19 11:39:20 AM  

somedude210: sprawl15: somedude210: That said, expect Cantor to stage a coup after the fiscal cliff deal is reached

Cantor's set.


I dunno. The scuttlebutt I've heard is that Cantor is the one holding back the negotiations because he refuses to let the Tea party wing vote for higher taxes. Boehner, it seems, is trying his damnest to get a deal in the works and wants to actually work with the president, even if they don't see eye to eye. Cantor and his motley crew are what's screwing them over in the House. I think if Boehner tries to replace Cantor as majority leader (ML and Speaker are two separate positions) then Cantor will retaliate and either force Boehner out of the speakership or have the TP become a separate entity within the House
 
/Cantor scares the crap out of me
//you know he has a knife ready



this would bring me great joy.
 
2012-12-19 11:40:19 AM  

cgraves67: Holocaust Agnostic: Weaver95: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Weaver95: we're building up to something in this country, that's for sure.  exactly what, I don't know...but I've never seen the GOP in such a weak position as they are right now.

They'll be back. We fear change too much. Unless people really are figuring out how hard they've been screwed in the last 30 years. But I don't hold out much hope for that.


I dunno man.  the GOP is really starting to look like they're in serious danger of falling back down to a regional party.  past a certain point, they can't maintain the illusion of power and they'll implode.  I don't know where that breaking point is located or if/when we'll see it happen but I think the Republicans are closer to it now than ever before.

It would make for some good television. Who would snatch up various fragments of the GOPs core? How would Democrats cope with the loss of their Greater Evil?
What the hell would fox news even do anymore?

To bad it wont happen.

There's a lot of flaws coming from one side of our two-party system, but would you rather have a one-party system? We need to return sanity to the right.


One side? HA! No, both sides are vile. And moreover they enable each other. The end of one implies the end of the other.
 
2012-12-19 11:42:59 AM  

Weaver95: somedude210: sprawl15: somedude210: That said, expect Cantor to stage a coup after the fiscal cliff deal is reached

Cantor's set.


I dunno. The scuttlebutt I've heard is that Cantor is the one holding back the negotiations because he refuses to let the Tea party wing vote for higher taxes. Boehner, it seems, is trying his damnest to get a deal in the works and wants to actually work with the president, even if they don't see eye to eye. Cantor and his motley crew are what's screwing them over in the House. I think if Boehner tries to replace Cantor as majority leader (ML and Speaker are two separate positions) then Cantor will retaliate and either force Boehner out of the speakership or have the TP become a separate entity within the House
 
/Cantor scares the crap out of me
//you know he has a knife ready


this would bring me great joy.



having a bi-partisan effort or seeing Cantor destroy the party/house because he was told to sit down and shut up by both the President and Boehner?
 
I'd like the first, fear for the second. Like I said, Cantor scares me. He seems like that "normal" dude who's one bad relationship away or job turn-down, from just going postal on those he felt wronged him.
 
2012-12-19 11:47:00 AM  

somedude210: /Cantor scares the crap out of me
//you know he has a knife ready



Is it a long knife?
 
// so sorry
 
2012-12-19 11:48:34 AM  

cgraves67:

There's a lot of flaws coming from one side of our two-party system, but would you rather have a one-party system? We need to return sanity to the right.


If the democrats are center right, wouldn't it make more sense to bolster a left of center party to actually steady our politics over spiraling right?
 
2012-12-19 11:48:43 AM  

Dr Dreidel: somedude210: /Cantor scares the crap out of me
//you know he has a knife ready


Is it a long knife?
 
// so sorry



it's not at night though
 
2012-12-19 11:49:36 AM  
somedude210:
 
I'd like the first, fear for the second. Like I said, Cantor scares me. He seems like that "normal" dude who's one bad relationship away or job turn-down, from just going postal on those he felt wronged him.



I'd love to see him try to destroy the GOP.  that's a slap fight I'd pay real money to see happen.
 
2012-12-19 11:52:57 AM  

moriarty23: cgraves67:

There's a lot of flaws coming from one side of our two-party system, but would you rather have a one-party system? We need to return sanity to the right.

If the democrats are center right, wouldn't it make more sense to bolster a left of center party to actually steady our politics over spiraling right?


In the long run, maybe. In the short run, no; the last time we tried to bolster a left-of-center party we ended up with George W. Bush in the White House. The danger of a split vote leading to a far-right conservative President is too great.
 
2012-12-19 11:53:41 AM  

Weaver95: somedude210:
 
I'd like the first, fear for the second. Like I said, Cantor scares me. He seems like that "normal" dude who's one bad relationship away or job turn-down, from just going postal on those he felt wronged him.


I'd love to see him try to destroy the GOP.  that's a slap fight I'd pay real money to see happen.



I wouldn't. I think it'll have too many ramifications somehow. They'd drag democrats, greens, libertarians, nazis, commies, commie-nazis, everyone into the fight because Cantor is a whiny twat
 
I honestly think Boehner is trying to shut him up and knows that he's going to have an inter-party fight on his hands come January
 
2012-12-19 11:56:35 AM  

somedude210: /Cantor scares the crap out of me
//you know he has a knife ready


I'm trying so hard to come up with a Dolchstoßlegende joke that doesn't come across as anti-semitic here, but it just ain't happening
 
2012-12-19 11:57:49 AM  

GAT_00: Which means if Booker throws his hat into the ring like I hope he does any position he takes is much stronger. If the nearly universally loved mayor of Newark comes out and says gun control has made his city safer, how are you going to argue against him?


Never stopped the NRA in the past.

Their statement was a feign. They're going to wait and see what the White House comes up with, then formulate reasons to oppose it (too expensive, wouldn't work, won't reduce gun violence, etc).
 
2012-12-19 11:57:52 AM  

s1ugg0: GAT_00: Gulper Eel: New Jersey already has Camden and Newark. They know from shootings.


Which means if Booker throws his hat into the ring like I hope he does any position he takes is much stronger.  If the nearly universally loved mayor of Newark comes out and says gun control has made his city safer, how are you going to argue against him?

Yea, I live 20 miles north of Newark. He is not universally loved. Even by people like me who are liberal democrats. He's big on show and low on substance.

/Still ten thousand times better than Sharp James ever was.


Last time I saw someone poll his approve/disapprove he had a disapprove at 6%.
 

Gulper Eel: GAT_00: Which means if Booker throws his hat into the ring like I hope he does any position he takes is much stronger. If the nearly universally loved mayor of Newark comes out and says gun control has made his city safer, how are you going to argue against him?

New Jersey didn't pass gun control when Cory Booker showed up. If his city is safer, it's because Booker is the first mayor of Newark in about 40 years who didn't steal everything in sight...but that's not exactly a high bar to clear, except in Trenton. And Hoboken. And Secaucus...and...


How does not stealing as mayor stop murders?
 
2012-12-19 11:58:52 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: GAT_00: Which means if Booker throws his hat into the ring like I hope he does any position he takes is much stronger. If the nearly universally loved mayor of Newark comes out and says gun control has made his city safer, how are you going to argue against him?

Never stopped the NRA in the past.

Their statement was a feign. They're going to wait and see what the White House comes up with, then formulate reasons to oppose it (too expensive, wouldn't work, won't reduce gun violence, etc).


I already said that, though the thread went red.  They don't care about these people, nor do they want to help them.  The reason they went quiet wasn't out of any kind of respect, it was to wait for targets to firebomb.
 
2012-12-19 12:00:23 PM  

somedude210:
 That said, expect Cantor to stage a coup after the fiscal cliff deal is reached


I suspect any day now Gallup will trot out their polls indicating Cantor would take the lead right out of the gate.
 
2012-12-19 12:01:48 PM  

qorkfiend: moriarty23: cgraves67:

There's a lot of flaws coming from one side of our two-party system, but would you rather have a one-party system? We need to return sanity to the right.

If the democrats are center right, wouldn't it make more sense to bolster a left of center party to actually steady our politics over spiraling right?

In the long run, maybe. In the short run, no; the last time we tried to bolster a left-of-center party we ended up with George W. Bush in the White House. The danger of a split vote leading to a far-right conservative President is too great.


Oh holy shiat. We must save the greater evil from irrelevance, to defend against the greater evil.

You have genuinely stunned me. Congratulations.
 
2012-12-19 12:04:26 PM  

qorkfiend: moriarty23: cgraves67:

There's a lot of flaws coming from one side of our two-party system, but would you rather have a one-party system? We need to return sanity to the right.

If the democrats are center right, wouldn't it make more sense to bolster a left of center party to actually steady our politics over spiraling right?

In the long run, maybe. In the short run, no; the last time we tried to bolster a left-of-center party we ended up with George W. Bush in the White House. The danger of a split vote leading to a far-right conservative President is too great.


Fair enough, it was an offer of sensibility. If my only two choices are a center right party sharing power with a fringe right party or one center right party, I chose the one center right party.
After the fringe right is dead, we shouldn't have to worry about splitting the vote and putting in a neo-con anymore. Kill this party with fire and then put our politics back on a path to sanity, there is no need to just spiral right just because it slows an inevitable outcome.
 
2012-12-19 12:06:51 PM  

Weaver95: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Weaver95: we're building up to something in this country, that's for sure.  exactly what, I don't know...but I've never seen the GOP in such a weak position as they are right now.

They'll be back. We fear change too much. Unless people really are figuring out how hard they've been screwed in the last 30 years. But I don't hold out much hope for that.


I dunno man.  the GOP is really starting to look like they're in serious danger of falling back down to a regional party.  past a certain point, they can't maintain the illusion of power and they'll implode.  I don't know where that breaking point is located or if/when we'll see it happen but I think the Republicans are closer to it now than ever before.


I agree. In my opinion it is because public opinion has changed. The wedge issues which used to tip the elections in favor of the GOP now favor the Democratic Party in the court of public opinion. I find it quite funny considering the amount of money the conservative movement invested in their propoganda effors.
 
2012-12-19 12:09:51 PM  
This could all be avoided if we just ban children from public schools. I've never heard a better argument for private vouchers than the Newtown tragedy.
 
2012-12-19 12:12:03 PM  

fracto: The Tea party spinning off it's own group could help with internal opposition, but might cost them the votes needed to remain a national player.


I was told the Tea Party is already an independent group consisting of conservatives and liberals.
 
2012-12-19 12:13:27 PM  

Weaver95: we're building up to something in this country, that's for sure.  exactly what, I don't know...but I've never seen the GOP in such a weak position as they are right now.


Is it the Singularity??

/sorry, reading the book just now
 
2012-12-19 12:18:22 PM  

fracto: somedude210: Closer, yes, but I don't think they'll really go regional. I think you may see an actual "Tea Party" as the fringe moves away, but the GOP will eventually move back to the more moderate party.


It will be interesting. Since the Democrats have moved to occupy the middle, the Republicans who wish to join them will be seen at traitors by many in their base. Those traitors will be primaried and replaced with Teabaggers. I think this will be a very difficult correction for the GOP to make. The Tea party spinning off it's own group could help with internal opposition, but might cost them the votes needed to remain a national player.


The US is a pretty right wing leaning place, so if the Teabaggers split off the whole thing will correct itself pretty fast (depending on how separate it was perceived, it could fix itself in a single election cycle), in terms of moderate voters coming back to the Republicans. It seems like it could turn pretty messy for a while - the media narrative means it will be hard for the Democrats to shift back left without taking a beating, so if a truly moderate/centrist Republican party emerged from the ruins, the political gap between the two main parties could end up being very small indeed for some time, and it seems more likely the Republicans would start shifting back to the right again rather than the Democrats shifting back left.
 
2012-12-19 12:18:39 PM  
Please make the libertarian party viable. Please.
 
2012-12-19 12:18:43 PM  

Lord_Baull: This could all be avoided if we just ban children from public schools. I've never heard a better argument for private vouchers than the Newtown tragedy.



then you shift the problems to private schools and they go down the same tubes as public schools
 
2012-12-19 12:20:32 PM  

FarkTorrance: somedude210:
 That said, expect Cantor to stage a coup after the fiscal cliff deal is reached

I suspect any day now Gallup will trot out their polls indicating Cantor would take the lead right out of the gate.


I snickered til I was hoarse.
 
2012-12-19 12:21:08 PM  

KellyX: Weaver95: we're building up to something in this country, that's for sure.  exactly what, I don't know...but I've never seen the GOP in such a weak position as they are right now.

 
Is it the Singularity??
 
/sorry, reading the book just now
 
 
http://eclipsephase.com/
 
2012-12-19 12:23:19 PM  

Doom MD: Please make the libertarian party viable. Please.



Why is that relevant? What benefit would they offer to you, specific to this issue?
 
2012-12-19 12:23:54 PM  

somedude210: Lord_Baull: This could all be avoided if we just ban children from public schools. I've never heard a better argument for private vouchers than the Newtown tragedy.


then you shift the problems to private schools and they go down the same tubes as public schools


Give credit where its due. We can find whole new tubes to go down.
 
2012-12-19 12:25:18 PM  
The clear answer to a traffic jam is to put more cars on the road

/the bigger the better
 
2012-12-19 12:26:17 PM  

Holocaust Agnostic: somedude210: Lord_Baull: This could all be avoided if we just ban children from public schools. I've never heard a better argument for private vouchers than the Newtown tragedy.


then you shift the problems to private schools and they go down the same tubes as public schools

Give credit where its due. We can find whole new tubes to go down.



but the internet is in those tubes! If we clog the tubes, the internet goes down!!!
 
BANDWIDTH!!!!
 
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