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2012-12-19 02:19:23 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: does anyone else feel like they are intentionally trying to dumb down the populous ... umm... more by expelling /suspending students willy-nilly for a more easily controlled populous?


Agreed 100%. Soon people won't even know the difference between "populous" and "populace."
 
2012-12-19 02:22:37 PM  

I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros: HindiDiscoMonster: does anyone else feel like they are intentionally trying to dumb down the populous ... umm... more by expelling /suspending students willy-nilly for a more easily controlled populous?

Agreed 100%. Soon people won't even know the difference between "populous" and "populace."


Right. Populous was a computer game.

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2012-12-19 02:23:31 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Now the school is a gun-free zone and there have been attempted gang rapes outside of the resource office door in front of a hundred kids. Only the DeMolay boys did anything about it.


In my middle school they explained to us that you should never, ever attempt to defend yourself and never, ever intervene. If you can't get away, cover your head and curl into a ball until help passes by. Run away if somebody else is getting hurt, find an authority figure.

Problem: I can't do that.

Nobody's ever been able to threaten me. I've had guys a lot bigger than me slam me into walls and doors and drive me into the floor and everything, and then giggled at them and walked away. Nobody's ever been able to hurt me, they tried, they failed, they can go fark themselves. I didn't really start fighting back until high school.

I can't walk away when somebody else is in danger. I wouldn't make it.

That's just the way it is. I don't know why, but it's always been embedded... I have to protect those who cannot protect themselves. People get hurt and killed so fast; I can't just run away and leave them defenseless.

And they tried to tell me that's wrong. What cowards call themselves men today?
 
2012-12-19 02:23:41 PM  

JesseL: JesseL: Red_Fox: CJHardin: CSB

When I was in 10th grade I was in first period class and realized that I had 3 12 gauge shotgun shells in my pocket from waiting for a deer that morning at my place. I immediately went and discreetly told her my mistake. She nodded and I handed her the 3 shells where the other students could not see them. I went back to my desk. She left. About 5 minutes later I'm being taken out by the SRO and my vehicle is being searched. I ended up being suspended for 10 days from that stunt.

/CSB

Look I get it, you gun lovers don't think twice about there being a gun in your car or ammo in your pocket. It's not a big deal to you. That is no longer how your country is going to be and you'd better adjust to it or you're going to get in legal trouble. The general public is not going to support you anymore.

It may shock you, but despite all the noise you make most Americans don't agree with you.

Oh wait, you're Canadian. In that case just STFU. Nobody cares about you.


Yep. Stay nice and comfy in your echo chamber now...
 
2012-12-19 02:24:17 PM  

JackieRabbit: crowbar032: For those with knife stories and those commenting on said knife stories, here's mine. I've carried a pocketknife since I was in middle school (I'm 36 now). A few years ago I traveled to Australia on a business trip. I packed my three blade folding pocket knife in my checked bag, the longest blade is 3 inches. I knew I would be taking a physical inventory of a manufacturing facility and thought I might need it to cut tags, tape, ect. Once day I pulled it out to cut a zip tie off of a box. I quickly learned from the locals that my knife was illegal to carry as it's considered a concealed deadly weapon and if I got caught with it I would be in jail. My story is two fold. One, I'm an idiot for not knowing local laws..but seriously WTF, I can see a bowie knife but a folder!?!?!. I'm not sure where a leatherman tool would be categoried. Two, this is where the USA will end up. It will be incremental and events such as Sandy Hook will continue to happen with different weapons. Next thing will be knives over x inches and no swords. Beware the pointy sticks too.

I read this and thought WTF?... So I did some quick searching. Knife laws in Australia vary from territory to territory. It isn't illegal per se to carry a pocket knife, but you must have good cause to do so and self-defense isn't acceptable. And it isn't just knives, but any tool that could inflict harm. Most Aussies think the laws are ridiculous and are purely political. Many places refuse to enforce them. I cannot imagine that they could be enforced in the bush.


I was in NSW, Sydney to be exact. I took the word of the locals and quit carrying it and didn't bring it with me on return trips. After that incindent, I noticed a sign in the utensil isle of the grocery store that said it was illegal to sell a kitchen knife to anyone under 16. Same with utility knives in hardware stores.
 
2012-12-19 02:24:31 PM  

Red_Fox: CJHardin: CSB

 
When I was in 10th grade I was in first period class and realized that I had 3 12 gauge shotgun shells in my pocket from waiting for a deer that morning at my place. I immediately went and discreetly told her my mistake. She nodded and I handed her the 3 shells where the other students could not see them. I went back to my desk. She left. About 5 minutes later I'm being taken out by the SRO and my vehicle is being searched. I ended up being suspended for 10 days from that stunt.
 
/CSB
 
Look I get it, you gun lovers don't think twice about there being a gun in your car or ammo in your pocket. It's not a big deal to you. That is no longer how your country is going to be and you'd better adjust to it or you're going to get in legal trouble. The general public is not going to support you anymore.
 
 
Do you not support them? I farking support them. It's a goddamned crock of shiat. People doing the right thing and getting blasted for it. The only kind of person that thinks any of this is reasonable are the ninny beureacrats that pull this shiat off. We're letting the cogs run the show, and they're being a bunch of farking cogs.We don't need this shiat. We need personal responsibility. We need to take care of things at the lowest reasonable level. Where's the farking Committee on UnAmerican Activities when there's genuinely bullshiat around, and not just a bunch of wild assed worries about commies farking everything up.farking hell, you people, grow up and stop being a bunch of farking pansies.
 
2012-12-19 02:25:07 PM  
Nice work, Kiddo. You just performed a lovely example of irresponsible firearm ownership. Gun Owners take note, it's dumbassery like this the anti-gun lobby clings to and uses in their efforts. Even then expulsion, while not overly severe, is simply inappropriate. Punish the kid properly: 2000 hours community service, focusing on caring for victims of violent acts and restricted from touching a firearm for five years. Maybe then he'll learn a lesson from not securing his weapons properly.
 
2012-12-19 02:27:21 PM  

bluefoxicy:
That's just the way it is. I don't know why, but it's always been embedded... I have to protect those who cannot protect themselves. People get hurt and killed so fast; I can't just run away and leave them defenseless.

And they tried to tell me that's wrong. What cowards call themselves men today?


You make yourself out to be a hero, but it sounds to me as though you have self-control issues and a lack of sense of self-preservation.
 
HBK
2012-12-19 02:30:44 PM  

cryinoutloud: Well, I have several big pit bulls that sometimes get loose. When they get killed I get more, I just love my mean guard dogs. Tough shiat if you don't like it, it's my right to own dogs. Why don't you go get some big dogs of your own, so you can defend yourself from the pit bulls of the world? You aren't going to take MY rights away from ME.

/and that's how you all sound too--it's all about YOU and your precious toys.


Although I've already explained that you're a troll, I do think its funny that you're afraid of both guns and dogs. You must not leave the house much.

And as far as your hypothetical goes, if your dogs tried to attack me or my dogs, I would just shoot your dogs with my gun. But, pit bulls generally wouldn't attack me, because I'm not afraid of them.
 
2012-12-19 02:31:09 PM  

A Shambling Mound: No one had a problem with my swords, though. Odd since they where so specifically designed to kill people you can't even use them for anything else.


People can't outrun bullets. I know, you can kill someone easier with a sword than a gun; doesn't matter, they're more afraid of guns and of magical perfect-aim crack shots that can land a shot in their skull from 500 feet away from a $40 Beretta with bullets they got at WalMart. The guy with a rifle he bought at K-Mart, hiding in a building down the street, sniping people off in the parking lot. No escape; only death awaits.

/80 rounds fired, 6 dead, 9 injured
//1 sword 1 swing 1 decapitation
///I've seen people girls take wild boar with quarterstaves, folks take deer with knives, and Pakistanis have hunting swords for taking game
 
2012-12-19 02:33:20 PM  

bluefoxicy:
///I've seen people girls take wild boar with quarterstaves


Those were buck-and-a-quarter quarterstaves, but they're not telling you that.
 
2012-12-19 02:33:59 PM  

bluefoxicy: A Shambling Mound: No one had a problem with my swords, though. Odd since they where so specifically designed to kill people you can't even use them for anything else.

People can't outrun bullets. I know, you can kill someone easier with a sword than a gun; doesn't matter, they're more afraid of guns and of magical perfect-aim crack shots that can land a shot in their skull from 500 feet away from a $40 Beretta with bullets they got at WalMart. The guy with a rifle he bought at K-Mart, hiding in a building down the street, sniping people off in the parking lot. No escape; only death awaits.

/80 rounds fired, 6 dead, 9 injured
//1 sword 1 swing 1 decapitation
///I've seen people girls take wild boar with quarterstaves, folks take deer with knives, and Pakistanis have hunting swords for taking game


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2012-12-19 02:35:16 PM  

dericwater: Really guys? Do people have such a boner for deer hunting that they have to go shoot up a deer right after school? Can't wait to get home first and put away the schoolbooks and change to camo?

If you don't bring your physics book out when hunting, don't bring your guns to school either.


Can't hunt after dark. Basketball practice gets over at 4:30, sun goes down at 5:45. That doesn't leave much time for a trip home to change.
 
2012-12-19 02:36:14 PM  

myrrh: You make yourself out to be a hero, but it sounds to me as though you have self-control issues and a lack of sense of self-preservation.


Yes, I have problems controlling myself when three people are beating the shiat out of a guy a third their size, or some folks are trying to gangrape a woman. Is that wrong?

Let's be honest: I punch really hard. I can work with that, there's got to be a legitimate strategy here.
 
2012-12-19 02:37:16 PM  

eastiowa: [farm8.staticflickr.com image 640x428]


Christ, the real crime is the Bud Light Lime. You should go to PMITA prison for that. Ugh...
 
2012-12-19 02:38:22 PM  
Also people, am I the only one here that prefers bows to guns? Guns are friggin' loud. I want a Gauss rifle for hunting, firing galvanized iron nails..
 
2012-12-19 02:38:23 PM  

bluefoxicy: A Shambling Mound: No one had a problem with my swords, though. Odd since they where so specifically designed to kill people you can't even use them for anything else.

People can't outrun bullets. I know, you can kill someone easier with a sword than a gun; doesn't matter, they're more afraid of guns and of magical perfect-aim crack shots that can land a shot in their skull from 500 feet away from a $40 Beretta with bullets they got at WalMart. The guy with a rifle he bought at K-Mart, hiding in a building down the street, sniping people off in the parking lot. No escape; only death awaits.

/80 rounds fired, 6 dead, 9 injured
//1 sword 1 swing 1 decapitation
///I've seen people girls take wild boar with quarterstaves, folks take deer with knives, and Pakistanis have hunting swords for taking game


I've slept with a girl who did this first hand. Guess the state?
 
2012-12-19 02:38:28 PM  
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2012-12-19 02:40:27 PM  
I disagree with a criminal charge. Don't screw the kids life up because of a dumb mistake that resulted in zero harm to anyone. We want him to go to college, get a good job, and be a productive member of society. He doesn't deserve this albatross across his neck for the rest of his life.

I do agree with a suspension from school and a possible fine, however. It would provide a fine lesson for this young man.

If you own a gun, you do not have the luxury of being the least bit careless with it. Ever.
 
2012-12-19 02:40:34 PM  

jayphat: I've slept with a girl who did this first hand. Guess the state?


Georgia or Alabama? I don't know. Was a girl I was talking to, she said she sometimes goes boar hunting, takes a big stick and when the boar comes at her she gets it underneath and flips it. Apparently they have a tough time getting off their backs, so she moves in quickly with a knife and slits the throat.

Insanity. Not as insane as guy dropping out of trees onto deer's back and reaching under to cut its throat, but still.
 
2012-12-19 02:40:35 PM  

HBK: myrrh: HBK:
You know that you should always refuse those searches.

Uh ... gun in plain sight equals probable cause. No need for consent.

Regardless, refuse the shiat out of that. If they proceed without your consent, they would need to prove probable cause at trial. Simply having a gun in your car does not equal probable cause in my jurisdiction. Always refuse the searches. If the cop proceeds, the onus is on them to prove they had a reason to do so.


I smell marijuana. The perp swallowed it...
 
2012-12-19 02:41:30 PM  

HBK: People sure have become a bunch of pussies when it comes to guns.

I'm all for increased mental health checks, and maybe capacity limits. I think most rational people on both sides of the argument would agree with this.

The gun-grabbers, who have been very vocal on Fark as of late, are just plain afraid of guns. I've never met someone who has been anti-gun who has ever handled or used a gun before.


I am leaning towards your basic bolt rifles and/or low capacity rifles with hand guns & shotguns leave as is.

High capacity (unsure at point it is high capacity) mandatory registration.

Open to a general firearms license (basic safety / laws class on firearms) for purchasing/carrying. Lots of discussion needed there.

However, gun control is something most likely best handled by the states. What works in new york is necessarily what is bed in california, wyoming, or minnesota.

/gun owner
//ccw holder
///occasionally carries (on/off duty- private security)
\slashies
 
2012-12-19 02:41:48 PM  

Sybarite: It's funny but I was just talking to a friend last night who grew up in a very rural area and she was saying how many pickups in the parking lot would have guns in their racks during hunting season.


My husband says the same thing. There'd be announcemnets on the intercom every morning during hunting seaon telling everyone they need to leave their guns at home evenif they are going hunting after school.
 
2012-12-19 02:41:56 PM  
Irresponsible gun owner is irresponsible. First, always put your weapon away after your trip. Second, clean your weapon. Part of being a responsible firearm owner is maintenance of your weapon. So double fail on his part.
 
2012-12-19 02:44:31 PM  
Graduated in 1991. During hunting season most of the senior guys had their guns in the trucks in the gun rack. No one cared. Catholic School on the edge of the city but still in the city. None ever stolen and no one ever got in trouble or shot.
 
2012-12-19 02:44:45 PM  

bluefoxicy: jayphat: I've slept with a girl who did this first hand. Guess the state?

Georgia or Alabama? I don't know. Was a girl I was talking to, she said she sometimes goes boar hunting, takes a big stick and when the boar comes at her she gets it underneath and flips it. Apparently they have a tough time getting off their backs, so she moves in quickly with a knife and slits the throat.

Insanity. Not as insane as guy dropping out of trees onto deer's back and reaching under to cut its throat, but still.


Texas. She also had a .308 she keeps in her car.
 
2012-12-19 02:49:05 PM  

crowbar032: For those with knife stories and those commenting on said knife stories, here's mine. I've carried a pocketknife since I was in middle school (I'm 36 now). A few years ago I traveled to Australia on a business trip. I packed my three blade folding pocket knife in my checked bag, the longest blade is 3 inches. I knew I would be taking a physical inventory of a manufacturing facility and thought I might need it to cut tags, tape, ect. Once day I pulled it out to cut a zip tie off of a box. I quickly learned from the locals that my knife was illegal to carry as it's considered a concealed deadly weapon and if I got caught with it I would be in jail. My story is two fold. One, I'm an idiot for not knowing local laws..but seriously WTF, I can see a bowie knife but a folder!?!?!. I'm not sure where a leatherman tool would be categoried. Two, this is where the USA will end up. It will be incremental and events such as Sandy Hook will continue to happen with different weapons. Next thing will be knives over x inches and no swords. Beware the pointy sticks too.


Do you really believe that eventually that someone will be able to kill 20 or so people in a single moment with a sword (without extensive ninja, James Bond, Highlander, or Navy SEAL training)? That's the argument that makes no sense to me when it comes to arguing against gun laws; that if we abolish all laws the exact same event happens because the killer is clubbing people over the head with a legal-to-own toaster.

Sure, the attempted attacks will probably still happen, because people are crazy, but the body count with a pointy stick becomes insanely to match the efficiency of a gun, even in the hands of someone who is just slightly trained in using one.
 
2012-12-19 02:49:58 PM  

JesseL: Richard Flaccid: eastiowa: [farm8.staticflickr.com image 640x428]

I was thinking, "now that's a man's car". Then I spotted the Bud Light lime. FAIL

Here you go. Nitrous tank, first-aid kit, ammo, rifles. 
[i100.photobucket.com image 640x480]


Not sure I'd leave the gun pointed at the NOS tank like that...
 
2012-12-19 02:50:35 PM  

Sybarite: It's funny but I was just talking to a friend last night who grew up in a very rural area and she was saying how many pickups in the parking lot would have guns in their racks during hunting season.


We used to have to take 'em to the principal's office and rack 'em during deer season.

/That's so we wouldn't sneak away during lunch to hunt.
 
2012-12-19 02:51:15 PM  
This is one of those times, the whole story fits into the headline. That's how easy this was to avoid.
 
2012-12-19 02:51:23 PM  

Mr. Right: It wasn't too many years ago and there was a great hue and cry about school officials conducting searches of students' lockers.


Yeah, those days of privacy are long gone, and they're not coming back anytime soon. When I was in HS, the kids were required to bring their own Master combo lock. I guess if a school official really wanted to see what was in a locker, they'd have to cut the lock. Never happened.
 

Mr. Right: So how is it that in this case, school officials were conducting a sweep of privately owned vehicles that happened to be (we'll presume legally) parked on school property?


Evidently, the gun was in plain sight (on the seat or the floor). Dumbass teenager is a dumbass. He shouldn't have to pay for this for the rest of his life, though.
 
2012-12-19 02:52:53 PM  

JesseL: Red_Fox: CJHardin: CSB

When I was in 10th grade I was in first period class and realized that I had 3 12 gauge shotgun shells in my pocket from waiting for a deer that morning at my place. I immediately went and discreetly told her my mistake. She nodded and I handed her the 3 shells where the other students could not see them. I went back to my desk. She left. About 5 minutes later I'm being taken out by the SRO and my vehicle is being searched. I ended up being suspended for 10 days from that stunt.

/CSB

Look I get it, you gun lovers don't think twice about there being a gun in your car or ammo in your pocket. It's not a big deal to you. That is no longer how your country is going to be and you'd better adjust to it or you're going to get in legal trouble. The general public is not going to support you anymore.

It may shock you, but despite all the noise you make most Americans don't agree with you.


I 2nd this.

/Will keep and bear arms.
 
2012-12-19 02:53:08 PM  

Mark Ratner: BigSnatch: In the video, the reporter said that the shotgun and knife were in plain sight of the police officers as they swept the parking lot. She also said that the penalty for having weapons on school property is expulsion.

My fault for not watching the video. Yep, he deserves whatever punishment he gets, although expulsion does seem too harsh if he's otherwise been a good kid.


Expulsion seems perfectly reasonable in this case. In other schools/states he would have been arrested and charged with some pretty serious crimes, which truly is a case of zero tolerance run amock
 
2012-12-19 02:53:38 PM  

SnarfVader: Sybarite: It's funny but I was just talking to a friend last night who grew up in a very rural area and she was saying how many pickups in the parking lot would have guns in their racks during hunting season.
 
 
That's true. Where I went to high school we would have our guns in our rear window gun racks so we could go hunting immediately after school. Deer hunting season was almost like Christmas vacation around there. Not a lot of work got done that week.
 
Times are different now, plus I live in a suburban area. I doubt kids would get away with that in even the most rural settings these days.


We used to put our shotguns in our lockers during hunting season. You brought in a case and go straight to the field after class.
 
2012-12-19 02:55:39 PM  

serial_crusher: On one hand, I want to say "zero tolerance OMG WHARGARBL!"
But on the other hand, I want to say "hey dumbshiat, if you can't put your gun up when you're done with it, maybe you shouldn't have one?"


At the very least it is less likely to be stolen out of your home!
 
2012-12-19 02:56:36 PM  

bluefoxicy: 1 sword 1 swing 1 decapitation


great, so now I'm required to walk around with a gun and a sword.
 
2012-12-19 02:58:48 PM  

DORMAMU: HBK: People sure have become a bunch of pussies when it comes to guns.

I'm all for increased mental health checks, and maybe capacity limits. I think most rational people on both sides of the argument would agree with this.

The gun-grabbers, who have been very vocal on Fark as of late, are just plain afraid of guns. I've never met someone who has been anti-gun who has ever handled or used a gun before.

I am leaning towards your basic bolt rifles and/or low capacity rifles with hand guns & shotguns leave as is.

High capacity (unsure at point it is high capacity) mandatory registration.

Open to a general firearms license (basic safety / laws class on firearms) for purchasing/carrying. Lots of discussion needed there.

However, gun control is something most likely best handled by the states. What works in new york is necessarily what is bed in california, wyoming, or minnesota.

/gun owner
//ccw holder
///occasionally carries (on/off duty- private security)
\slashies


Your comment shows that there is a possibility for rational dialog on gun control and plenty of room for compromise. I think we do need some overreaching federal regulations, but with per-state adjustments and primary enforcement (this is a federal republic after all). No rational citizen can claim the need for an AR-15 with 100 round magazines. He may want one, but he doesn't need it. If he really thinks he needs it, maybe we should reconsider allowing him to own any weapon. So I see no problem with banning functional assault weapons. But to suggest that we ban hunting and sporting weapons or even low capacity handguns is just never going get anyone anywhere.
 
2012-12-19 03:00:39 PM  

HoityToity: I disagree with a criminal charge. Don't screw the kids life up because of a dumb mistake that resulted in zero harm to anyone. We want him to go to college, get a good job, and be a productive member of society. He doesn't deserve this albatross across his neck for the rest of his life.

I do agree with a suspension from school and a possible fine, however. It would provide a fine lesson for this young man.

If you own a gun, you do not have the luxury of being the least bit careless with it. Ever.


Yeah, it's not a car.
 
2012-12-19 03:04:42 PM  

DORMAMU: HBK: People sure have become a bunch of pussies when it comes to guns.

I'm all for increased mental health checks, and maybe capacity limits. I think most rational people on both sides of the argument would agree with this.

The gun-grabbers, who have been very vocal on Fark as of late, are just plain afraid of guns. I've never met someone who has been anti-gun who has ever handled or used a gun before.

I am leaning towards your basic bolt rifles and/or low capacity rifles with hand guns & shotguns leave as is.

High capacity (unsure at point it is high capacity) mandatory registration.

Open to a general firearms license (basic safety / laws class on firearms) for purchasing/carrying. Lots of discussion needed there.

However, gun control is something most likely best handled by the states. What works in new york is necessarily what is bed in california, wyoming, or minnesota.

/gun owner
//ccw holder
///occasionally carries (on/off duty- private security)
\slashies


Is NOT necessarily

/farkin damnjt
 
2012-12-19 03:08:25 PM  

PsyLord: Irresponsible gun owner is irresponsible. First, always put your weapon away after your trip. Second, clean your weapon. Part of being a responsible firearm owner is maintenance of your weapon. So double fail on his part.


If you put it away first then how do you clean it?
 
2012-12-19 03:08:30 PM  
 
2012-12-19 03:13:29 PM  

Giltric: Could have been worse...


could have been a stick figure drawing.


I used to draw elaborate stick-figure underground bunkers with all manner of stick figures shooting each other, running around, tossing grenades, and being dead and blown up. My teachers thought nothing of it. Of course, that was back in the 1970s. I do have to admit, however, that I did become a delinquent as an adult. I mean, one time, in the 1990s, I got ticket for letting my insurance expire. I blame my teachers in grade school for not seeing that my stick figure battle drawings were a desperate cry for help.
 
2012-12-19 03:17:49 PM  
good thing it was only a shotgun and a knife. Easier to explain your wy out...God forbid if they'd found an AK-47 or an AR-15 with a 100 round drum.
 
2012-12-19 03:19:39 PM  

HBK: Several kids at my high school would wake up around 4am, go hunting, then come to school. Hell, in the 80s my school used to let kids who were in the trap/skeet club bring their guns in to school so they wouldn't have to leave them in their cars to get stolen.

The outrage here is pants on head retarded.


Yeah my principal has a gun safe in his office and the run was "bring your gun in and give it to me so no one breaks into your car and steals it". It was normal back then to see a couple kids bringing shotguns or rifles in.
 
2012-12-19 03:20:08 PM  

eastiowa: [farm8.staticflickr.com image 640x428]


Bud light LIME????

REALLY??? How about some PBR or Falstaff or Carling Black Label or even Natural Light... but Bud Light LIME??? Are you some kind of secret Mexican Communist or something?
 
2012-12-19 03:25:17 PM  
We had a guy in our unit forget to take his guns out of his car and it got randomly inspected. They ask if he has any guns or anything and he says nope. They find it and OMG you would have thought he was a terrorist. Paperwork was given that day. Look if you own guns, fine PUT THEM AWAY after you are done using it.
 
2012-12-19 03:25:22 PM  

JackieRabbit: DORMAMU: HBK: People sure have become a bunch of pussies when it comes to guns.

I'm all for increased mental health checks, and maybe capacity limits. I think most rational people on both sides of the argument would agree with this.

The gun-grabbers, who have been very vocal on Fark as of late, are just plain afraid of guns. I've never met someone who has been anti-gun who has ever handled or used a gun before.

I am leaning towards your basic bolt rifles and/or low capacity rifles with hand guns & shotguns leave as is.

High capacity (unsure at point it is high capacity) mandatory registration.

Open to a general firearms license (basic safety / laws class on firearms) for purchasing/carrying. Lots of discussion needed there.

However, gun control is something most likely best handled by the states. What works in new york is necessarily what is bed in california, wyoming, or minnesota.

/gun owner
//ccw holder
///occasionally carries (on/off duty- private security)
\slashies

Your comment shows that there is a possibility for rational dialog on gun control and plenty of room for compromise. I think we do need some overreaching federal regulations, but with per-state adjustments and primary enforcement (this is a federal republic after all). No rational citizen can claim the need for an AR-15 with 100 round magazines. He may want one, but he doesn't need it. If he really thinks he needs it, maybe we should reconsider allowing him to own any weapon. So I see no problem with banning functional assault weapons. But to suggest that we ban hunting and sporting weapons or even low capacity handguns is just never going get anyone anywhere.


I have no issue with the 100 round ar15 drum. Just make him/her register it and/or permit. Something similar to many states concealed carry permits. Or like you can get a federal gun collector's license and have full automatics (uncle had one, his collection was very thorough).

Historically, those who go through above processes have a finitesimal criminal activity rate, partially because not all qualify.

Curious - how do you personally define "an assault weapon?" I ask because many ar15 rifled with the before 100rnd drum didnt qualify as such under the federal assault weapons ban.

My wilingness to compromise a rationally discuss gun control is partially contigent on mental health discussion as well. It needs to be addressed (not sure how) cause it is a very large part of the mas shooting phenomena.

Also, media sensationalism (interviewing a 1st grader whose friends were just killeda a few hours ago) for a couple ratings point. This is also the public's fault since we eat it up.

Fear mongering (both directions/sides) over firearms is also a contributing. (Small) factor . This goes hand in hand with the mental health issue & media issue combined. Those mentally unstable (decide to?) seek a way to invoke fear and garner a sense of power/importance. They are also bombarded by the media with the derp from both extremes anytime an incident happens. "Guns are only for kiling other humans, you are scared shiatless of guns, your need a gun to feel complete/safe, etc." For someone who is scared, not fully logical and feeling incomplete, how do you think they react to that input? Personally, I feel this is a large contributing factor to the increased number if incidents the past decade+.

Your thoughts? Anyone else?
 
2012-12-19 03:26:17 PM  

Citrate1007: Parents were sent an automated phone alert.


This...
 
2012-12-19 03:27:39 PM  

HBK: cryinoutloud: Everyone in the country is not going to arm themselves either, so that you tiny percentage of gun lovers can continue to have your love affair with lethal weapons. Because that's your solution, right---everyone should just be better armed. That's the one I keep hearing around here.

Ah, you're a troll. Because 47% gun ownership is not a tiny percentage of the country.


Troll? Nah. Probably just too damned stupid to google some facts before spouting off.
 
2012-12-19 03:28:14 PM  

I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros: bluefoxicy:
///I've seen people girls take wild boar with quarterstaves

Those were buck-and-a-quarter quarterstaves, but they're not telling you that.


i.imgur.com

/yoiks
//and away
 
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