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2012-12-19 01:09:53 PM
Can't help but think of this.. Skeet Surfing
 
2012-12-19 01:10:04 PM

Thunderpipes: Stay classy, libs!

Just going to get worse from here on out, because liberals refuse to use common sense.

And yes, growing up in a rural town in the late 70's early 80s, during deer season there were plenty of rifles in gun racks in pickups. Weird how there was no problems, huh?


Ahhh, and the trolling begins!.
 
2012-12-19 01:10:13 PM
The kid got a lesson in reality.
 
2012-12-19 01:10:49 PM

vygramul: Weaver95: well that kid's life is ruined forever.


When someone screws up with a gun, frequently someone's life is ruined forever.


Actually, guns are statistically extremely safe objects. According to the CDC, there were only 554 firearms deaths due to accidental shootings in 2009 (most recent year with data). The large bulk of firearms deaths is suicides (61%) followed by homicides (37%). Accidental deaths only account for 1.8% of all firearms deaths. Statistically, guns are very safe objects unless someone is *trying* to kill another person.
 
2012-12-19 01:10:58 PM

dittybopper: sammyk: I grew up in Wyoming and that was the norm. Hell I got a mini 14 for my 15th birthday.

[i48.tinypic.com image 320x202]

What, did your parent hate you?


Only the rich kids got Armalites back in the day.

/Me: "Can I get a rifle that weights less than a farkton and actually hits what its pointed at?"
/Noguns: "Why? ARE YOU KILLING BABIES!?!"
 
2012-12-19 01:11:11 PM
If you managed to forget about your gun and knife, you probably shouldn't have either
 
2012-12-19 01:12:08 PM

NightSteel: Can't help but think of this.. Skeet Surfing


I always loved that. Val Kilmer was a pretty good singer.
 
2012-12-19 01:12:22 PM
The student who started the rumor was identified and officials are dealing with the situation. 
 
I hope he's getting at least as much shiat as the student who has to deal with these bullshiat "charges."
 
2012-12-19 01:12:30 PM
CSB:

circa 1950: my aunt, at age 14, used to ride the NYC subway on the weekends, with her 12 year old brother, carrying a .22 rifle to go to a shooting range in Brooklyn.

Nobody even took a second look let alone panic or talk to them.

I've also heard of stories where high schools in rural areas would have a 'gun closet' for the fall hunting season. typically hunters start their day before dawn, so there was often time to go on a morning hunt before classes, and would go right to school after. nobody would have a problem checking their rifles on the way into class.
 
2012-12-19 01:12:47 PM

KingKauff: I'm at work with a full box of bullets in my book bag that I forgot to take out when I got home from hunting last weekend, so I'm getting a bang out of this


Boolits.
 
2012-12-19 01:13:17 PM
My high school had a gun range in the basement with a rifle team.

I've heard they had to switch to air softs.

I know someone with a concealed carry permit who just about had a hole shot in the floor of his truck when the cop picked it up during a traffic stop. He had to walk the cop through how to hold the gun (get your finger off the trigger stupid), and how to unload it.
 
2012-12-19 01:14:54 PM

serial_crusher: On one hand, I want to say "zero tolerance OMG WHARGARBL!"
But on the other hand, I want to say "hey dumbshiat, if you can't put your gun up when you're done with it, maybe you shouldn't have one?"



Yeah, pretty much this. The kid should take a gun safety course, maybe do a few hours of community service to hammer the point home, then it gets purged from the record. I think he's learned his lesson already.
 
2012-12-19 01:14:59 PM

enricofermi: If you managed to forget about your gun and knife, you probably shouldn't have either


Stealing is illegal.
 
2012-12-19 01:15:10 PM
When I was in high school, people had guns in their cars quite often. Our school was in a moderately sized town, but had a lot of kids from the country going to it. Wasn't rare that kids would go hunting right after school, so they would keep guns in their trunks. This was around the time of Columbine, too, even a bit after.

What is funny is that the "zero policy" means no guns in the trunk, yet the kid would still be able to skip class (or go at lunch), drive home and get a gun if he or she was really intending to do it. It doesn't really do anything to prevent school shootings. Plus, I am pretty sure that even in Columbine the kids didn't go into school with the guns in their trunks
 
2012-12-19 01:17:23 PM

TheGreatGazoo: My high school had a gun range in the basement with a rifle team.

I've heard they had to switch to air softs.

I know someone with a concealed carry permit who just about had a hole shot in the floor of his truck when the cop picked it up during a traffic stop. He had to walk the cop through how to hold the gun (get your finger off the trigger stupid), and how to unload it.


That's pretty horrifying. I don't even LIKE guns, and I know the safety rules for them. How does a cop not know these things?
 
2012-12-19 01:19:53 PM

HBK:
You know that you should always refuse those searches.


Uh ... gun in plain sight equals probable cause. No need for consent.
 
2012-12-19 01:20:10 PM
common sense sure is dead.
 
2012-12-19 01:20:14 PM

Phoenix87ta: hat's pretty horrifying. I don't even LIKE guns, and I know the safety rules for them. How does a cop not know these things?


Using a gun is part of a cops job, and therefore, they are horrible at it.
 
2012-12-19 01:22:33 PM

TheGreatGazoo: My high school had a gun range in the basement with a rifle team.

I've heard they had to switch to air softs.

I know someone with a concealed carry permit who just about had a hole shot in the floor of his truck when the cop picked it up during a traffic stop. He had to walk the cop through how to hold the gun (get your finger off the trigger stupid), and how to unload it.


Honest, not-trolling question: He carried it in a ready-to-fire condition? I thought you weren't supposed to have a round in the chamber?
 
2012-12-19 01:23:14 PM

EnviroDude: At least it wasn't a pocket knife in a survival kit locked in the trunk of a car


Hopefully he got his merit badge in Growing Up In A Paranoid Society...
 
HBK
2012-12-19 01:24:01 PM
People sure have become a bunch of pussies when it comes to guns.

I'm all for increased mental health checks, and maybe capacity limits. I think most rational people on both sides of the argument would agree with this.

The gun-grabbers, who have been very vocal on Fark as of late, are just plain afraid of guns. I've never met someone who has been anti-gun who has ever handled or used a gun before.
 
2012-12-19 01:25:13 PM

EnviroDude: At least it wasn't a pocket knife in a survival kit locked in the trunk of a car


wow.
Just...
wow.

Sometimes America, it's like I don't even know you.
 
2012-12-19 01:25:48 PM

Weaver95: well that kid's life is ruined forever.


Success!
 
2012-12-19 01:27:23 PM

Fubini: vygramul: Weaver95: well that kid's life is ruined forever.


When someone screws up with a gun, frequently someone's life is ruined forever.

Actually, guns are statistically extremely safe objects. According to the CDC, there were only 554 firearms deaths due to accidental shootings in 2009 (most recent year with data). The large bulk of firearms deaths is suicides (61%) followed by homicides (37%). Accidental deaths only account for 1.8% of all firearms deaths. Statistically, guns are very safe objects unless someone is *trying* to kill another person.


Accidental deaths from guns has been steadily declining for about a decade due to required safety features and owner education. But accidental deaths are but a drop in the proverbial bucket. Most firearm deaths are the result of murder or suicide. Guns are the weapon of choice in 67% of all murders.

The CDC has stats for 2010:

"In the U.S. for 2010, there were 31,513 deaths from firearms, distributed as follows by mode of death: Suicide 19,308; Homicide 11,015; Accident 600. This makes firearms injuries one of the top ten causes of death in the U.S. The number of firearms-related injuries in the U.S., both fatal and non-fatal, increased through 1993, declined to 1999, and has remained relatively constant since. However, firearms injuries remain a leading cause of death in the U.S., particularly among youth (CDC, 2001) (Sherry et al, 2012)."

Source: University of Utah Medical library
 
HBK
2012-12-19 01:27:30 PM

myrrh: HBK:
You know that you should always refuse those searches.

Uh ... gun in plain sight equals probable cause. No need for consent.


Regardless, refuse the shiat out of that. If they proceed without your consent, they would need to prove probable cause at trial. Simply having a gun in your car does not equal probable cause in my jurisdiction. Always refuse the searches. If the cop proceeds, the onus is on them to prove they had a reason to do so.
 
2012-12-19 01:28:21 PM

Fubini: vygramul: Weaver95: well that kid's life is ruined forever.


When someone screws up with a gun, frequently someone's life is ruined forever.

Actually, guns are statistically extremely safe objects. According to the CDC, there were only 554 firearms deaths due to accidental shootings in 2009 (most recent year with data). The large bulk of firearms deaths is suicides (61%) followed by homicides (37%). Accidental deaths only account for 1.8% of all firearms deaths. Statistically, guns are very safe objects unless someone is *trying* to kill another person.



That makes it harder to screw up with a gun.  It doesn't change that screwing up with a gun can frequently ruin someone's life forever.
 
2012-12-19 01:28:38 PM

Fark It: Weaver95: well that kid's life is ruined forever.

Success!


Not until he's spent time in a private prison
 
2012-12-19 01:29:47 PM

Ego edo infantia cattus: EnviroDude: At least it wasn't a pocket knife in a survival kit locked in the trunk of a car

wow.
Just...
wow.

Sometimes America, it's like I don't even know you.



As outrageous as that story sounds, and there's every possibility it was, in fact, that stupid, there is the possibility that the story contains a whole shiatload more self-righteous asshole behavior from the Eagle Scout than he self-reported.
 
2012-12-19 01:29:55 PM

Sybarite: It's funny but I was just talking to a friend last night who grew up in a very rural area and she was saying how many pickups in the parking lot would have guns in their racks during hunting season.


Well, that's the way it was were I went to High School also.
 
2012-12-19 01:30:38 PM

HBK: myrrh: HBK:
You know that you should always refuse those searches.

Uh ... gun in plain sight equals probable cause. No need for consent.

Regardless, refuse the shiat out of that. If they proceed without your consent, they would need to prove probable cause at trial. Simply having a gun in your car does not equal probable cause in my jurisdiction. Always refuse the searches. If the cop proceeds, the onus is on them to prove they had a reason to do so.


This is good advice -- but by that point, you're going to get your car tossed whether you consent or not, and you're probably going to do some jail time, if only waiting to be charged with something or released. The better policy is to not be a dumbass and keep the weapon unloaded and in the trunk.
 
2012-12-19 01:31:03 PM

Weaver95: well that kid's life is ruined forever.



but, but... for the kids...
 
wait... wut?
 
2012-12-19 01:32:04 PM
Really guys? Do people have such a boner for deer hunting that they have to go shoot up a deer right after school? Can't wait to get home first and put away the schoolbooks and change to camo?

If you don't bring your physics book out when hunting, don't bring your guns to school either.
 
2012-12-19 01:32:48 PM
Did the school have a new alert system

HBK: People sure have become a bunch of pussies when it comes to guns.

I'm all for increased mental health checks, and maybe capacity limits. I think most rational people on both sides of the argument would agree with this.

The gun-grabbers, who have been very vocal on Fark as of late, are just plain afraid of guns. I've never met someone who has been anti-gun who has ever handled or used a gun before.


A co-worker yesterday launched into a anti-gun tirade full of machine guns, nuclear bombs, muskets, gun show loophole, the full monty. I asked him if had any actual experience with guns and he said no. I figure with credentials like that, he should be in charge of drafting legislation.
 
2012-12-19 01:32:54 PM
does anyone else feel like they are intentionally trying to dumb down the populous ... umm... more by expelling /suspending students willy-nilly for a more easily controlled populous?
 
2012-12-19 01:33:44 PM

durbnpoisn: So, I don't think the punishment is too harsh. If he hand any brains at all, he would have had the gun stowed in the trunk to begin with. Around here (NJ), if you get pulled over with a gun in your car in plain site, you are just asking to have your car taken apart and searched. Hell, I had that happen to me once because I had a plastic sword in my backseat.


Oh hell that made me remember something. I had to go to police station last summer because my dog got put in the pound. While I was waiting (and waiting and waiting) for someone to show up who could tell me how to get my dog back, I was sitting out in the parking lot in my car with my co-worker. He was smoking a cigarette and when he walked over by a nearby truck, he noticed that there was a large rifle in it (he told me what kind it was, but I don't know. A hunting rifle of some kind.)

In an unlocked truck, window down, in a vehicle belonging to someone who worked at the police department. Which was right next door to the local jail. So this county employee had left a gun in plain sight in his truck, while parked in front of both the police station and the jail. Which was right across the street from the big parks area where the kids all played baseball and soccer.

My co-worker was an ex-cop and he was so outraged that he almost complained.....but, weird thing about the guy--even though he was an ex-cop and a huge dick, he knew better than to make waves with law enforcement and draw attention to himself. He said nothing to the guys inside.
 
2012-12-19 01:33:59 PM

Thunderpipes: Stay classy, libs!

Just going to get worse from here on out, because liberals refuse to use common sense.

And yes, growing up in a rural town in the late 70's early 80s, during deer season there were plenty of rifles in gun racks in pickups. Weird how there was no problems, huh?


Your outrage always makes me feel warm inside. I hope it does get worse. A lot worse, so you get more and more agitated for our entertainment.
 
HBK
2012-12-19 01:36:02 PM

myrrh: This is good advice -- but by that point, you're going to get your car tossed whether you consent or not, and you're probably going to do some jail time, if only waiting to be charged with something or released. The better policy is to not be a dumbass and keep the weapon unloaded and in the trunk.


Like I said, having a gun in your car is perfectly fine in my jurisdiction, and likely in several other jurisdictions so YMMV based on local laws.

To illustrate my previous point, I once got pulled over and they had all of the passengers exit the vehicle. A passenger left an open container on the floorboard, which you would assume is clear probable cause. I refused to allow the search, and the cops argued amongst themselves whether it was probable cause, and then determined they could grab that one open container but otherwise could not search the vehicle. Some cops will err on the side of not illegally searching your vehicle, some cops may not. But anything they find in the search may be inadmissible if the court does not find probable cause.

/IANAL
 
2012-12-19 01:36:21 PM
farm8.staticflickr.com
 
2012-12-19 01:36:53 PM

HBK: durbnpoisn: Around here (NJ), if you get pulled over with a gun in your car in plain site, you are just asking to have your car taken apart and searched. Hell, I had that happen to me once because I had a plastic sword in my backseat.

You know that you should always refuse those searches.



Where I grew up, if you refused the search, they would make you sit there while they went and got a search warrant. And then they would search the car extra-special-like. In some cases, they would plant something. Point is, you dindn't F with the cops in my area.
 
2012-12-19 01:40:06 PM

durbnpoisn: HBK: durbnpoisn: Around here (NJ), if you get pulled over with a gun in your car in plain site, you are just asking to have your car taken apart and searched. Hell, I had that happen to me once because I had a plastic sword in my backseat.

You know that you should always refuse those searches.


Where I grew up, if you refused the search, they would make you sit there while they went and got a search warrant. And then they would search the car extra-special-like. In some cases, they would plant something. Point is, you dindn't F with the cops in my area.



they should outlaw planting of evidence
 
HBK
2012-12-19 01:40:53 PM

durbnpoisn: HBK: durbnpoisn: Around here (NJ), if you get pulled over with a gun in your car in plain site, you are just asking to have your car taken apart and searched. Hell, I had that happen to me once because I had a plastic sword in my backseat.

You know that you should always refuse those searches.


Where I grew up, if you refused the search, they would make you sit there while they went and got a search warrant. And then they would search the car extra-special-like. In some cases, they would plant something. Point is, you dindn't F with the cops in my area.


They need probable cause to search the car. They need probable cause to obtain a search warrant. If what you're saying is true and the court was complicit in allowing illegal searches, then they violated the constitution and should be sued. Any competent attorney could get that search thrown out of court.

But it sounds more like an urban legend to me.
 
2012-12-19 01:41:22 PM

eastiowa: [farm8.staticflickr.com image 640x428]


jesus, are you some kind of moster???? What do you need that for???? We need a full, 100% across the board ban no this. Bud Light Lime. How dare you.
 
2012-12-19 01:41:26 PM
I'm reminded of the only fatality by someone with a conceal and carry permit in Minnesota.  The guy got pissed at a bouncer.  Did he take out his gun and shoot the guy?  No.  Did he go to his car, pick up his gun, and then go shoot the guy? No.  He drove home.  Picked up his gun.  Drove back.  Then shot the guy.
 
/how many fatalities are caused by idiots who keep guys in their cars?
//this guy showed a real lack of common sense - but charges?  really?
 
2012-12-19 01:42:11 PM

HBK: myrrh: HBK:
You know that you should always refuse those searches.

Uh ... gun in plain sight equals probable cause. No need for consent.

Regardless, refuse the shiat out of that. If they proceed without your consent, they would need to prove probable cause at trial. Simply having a gun in your car does not equal probable cause in my jurisdiction. Always refuse the searches. If the cop proceeds, the onus is on them to prove they had a reason to do so.


Having a gun visible in a state-mandated gun free zone automatically = probable cause just as having a beer bottle in the drink holder or a doobie sticking out of the ashtray during a traffic stop = probable cause. Refuse all you want... you're getting searched/tested.
 
2012-12-19 01:42:28 PM
Remember kids, the world is a scary and frightful place full of bad people. And you can't do a damn thing to protect yourself from it, because we would rather you die like a biatch.
 
2012-12-19 01:42:56 PM

eastiowa: [farm8.staticflickr.com image 640x428]


Bud Lite Lime? You sir are a monster.
 
2012-12-19 01:43:11 PM

Sybarite: It's funny but I was just talking to a friend last night who grew up in a very rural area and she was saying how many pickups in the parking lot would have guns in their racks during hunting season.


I remember that too. It was all about dick waving.
 
2012-12-19 01:44:24 PM

eastiowa: [farm8.staticflickr.com image 640x428]


I was thinking, "now that's a man's car". Then I spotted the Bud Light lime. FAIL
 
HBK
2012-12-19 01:45:47 PM

ElLoco: HBK: myrrh: HBK:
You know that you should always refuse those searches.

Uh ... gun in plain sight equals probable cause. No need for consent.

Regardless, refuse the shiat out of that. If they proceed without your consent, they would need to prove probable cause at trial. Simply having a gun in your car does not equal probable cause in my jurisdiction. Always refuse the searches. If the cop proceeds, the onus is on them to prove they had a reason to do so.

Having a gun visible in a state-mandated gun free zone automatically = probable cause just as having a beer bottle in the drink holder or a doobie sticking out of the ashtray during a traffic stop = probable cause. Refuse all you want... you're getting searched/tested.


We weren't talking about gun-free zones. But yes, if you have a gun in a gun-free zone, that is likely sufficient probable cause.

/IANAL
 
2012-12-19 01:45:53 PM

serial_crusher: On one hand, I want to say "zero tolerance OMG WHARGARBL!"
But on the other hand, I want to say "hey dumbshiat, if you can't put your gun up when you're done with it, maybe you shouldn't have one?"


That apply to cops too?

Back in 1988, My father took me skeet shooting. Well, to watch anyway (I was 11, hate guns, it was a day out). There was an off duty cop, who was a friend of a friend of my father. The cop asks if he can put his rifle down on top of the car for a minute, father lets him (station wagon, monster roof rack). Anyway, we finish up, Get in the car and drive home. A few miles from the house, I say "Dad, did that guy ever take his gun off the roof? We pull over, farking thing is still there, unsecured and loaded. After a 10 minute "A Christmas Story" style cursing session, my father unloads it, put it in the back seat and for the rest of trip home my father went into a rant about how they have all these laws and training sessions for regular people, but a guy who uses weapons for a living can be that careless. Had we stopped at a store on the way home, someone could have grabbed it. Hell, it could've fell off and killed someone that way too. Or we could've been stopped by another cop, I'm sure they would've bought the excuse.

It's the idiots in this world, not the guns.
 
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