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2012-12-19 09:03:17 AM
On one hand, I want to say "zero tolerance OMG WHARGARBL!"
But on the other hand, I want to say "hey dumbshiat, if you can't put your gun up when you're done with it, maybe you shouldn't have one?"
 
2012-12-19 09:05:51 AM
at least put it in the trunk where it isn't visible to someone looking through the window.
 
2012-12-19 09:27:34 AM
well that kid's life is ruined forever.
 
2012-12-19 09:38:22 AM
It's funny but I was just talking to a friend last night who grew up in a very rural area and she was saying how many pickups in the parking lot would have guns in their racks during hunting season.
 
2012-12-19 09:52:03 AM

SlothB77: at least put it in the trunk where it isn't visible to someone looking through the window.

 
My first thought, too, but I wonder if they use bomb/drug sniffing dogs. Nothing would surprise me anymore.
 
2012-12-19 09:59:14 AM

Sybarite: It's funny but I was just talking to a friend last night who grew up in a very rural area and she was saying how many pickups in the parking lot would have guns in their racks during hunting season.



I grew up in Wyoming and that was the norm. Hell I got a mini 14 for my 15th birthday.
 
2012-12-19 10:29:34 AM

Weaver95: well that kid's life is ruined forever.


I was arrested for post Columbine paranoia.

ZOMG, unpopular kid with long hair. He must be a THREAT.

Everything dismissed, records expunged. Why? I didn't do anything actionable(unless fashion police are a real thing) They just din't like me.
 
2012-12-19 10:38:30 AM

Mark Ratner: SlothB77: at least put it in the trunk where it isn't visible to someone looking through the window.
 
My first thought, too, but I wonder if they use bomb/drug sniffing dogs. Nothing would surprise me anymore.

 
 
In the video, the reporter said that the shotgun and knife were in plain sight of the police officers as they swept the parking lot. She also said that the penalty for having weapons on school property is expulsion.
 
As much as I think discretion is important in these cases and expulsion is excessive, if you're on school property with those items, you'd better know school policy regarding those items.
 
IMO, the kid is just a dumbass. A couple days of ISS where he has to write an essay on responsible gun ownership would suffice as reasonable punishment.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-12-19 10:48:47 AM
I don't know about expulsion, but just being that careless with a gun is  dangerous.  A car is a stupid place to keep a gun anyway, it's way too easy to steal.  Especially if it's visible from outside of the car.
 
It doesn't do much good to keep mentally unstable people from buying guns if they can just look for a car with a gun in it that someone forgot to unlock, or break out a window with a rock.
 
2012-12-19 11:09:08 AM

Sybarite: It's funny but I was just talking to a friend last night who grew up in a very rural area and she was saying how many pickups in the parking lot would have guns in their racks during hunting season.

 
 
That's true. Where I went to high school we would have our guns in our rear window gun racks so we could go hunting immediately after school. Deer hunting season was almost like Christmas vacation around there. Not a lot of work got done that week.
 
Times are different now, plus I live in a suburban area. I doubt kids would get away with that in even the most rural settings these days.
 
2012-12-19 11:11:59 AM

BigSnatch: In the video, the reporter said that the shotgun and knife were in plain sight of the police officers as they swept the parking lot. She also said that the penalty for having weapons on school property is expulsion.



My fault for not watching the video. Yep, he deserves whatever punishment he gets, although expulsion does seem too harsh if he's otherwise been a good kid.


 
 
2012-12-19 11:58:16 AM
 
db2
2012-12-19 12:52:26 PM
Guys, we'd better extrapolate future events and overreact to every potential warning sign. It's for the children.
 
2012-12-19 12:52:43 PM

EnviroDude: At least it wasn't a pocket knife in a survival kit locked in the trunk of a car



Hang, draw and quarter that responsible kid!
 
2012-12-19 12:54:31 PM
oh thank god I feel so much safer, sitting here in Maryland.
 
2012-12-19 12:55:50 PM

doglover:

Everything dismissed, records expunged. Why? I didn't do anything actionable(unless fashion police are a real thing) They just din't like me.


Some kid was just committed in Maryland today because of what authorities call a "credible threat". They found no guns, no plans, just reports from "other students".

So weird kid gets locked up because he's weird.

Fantastic.
 
2012-12-19 12:55:57 PM
CSB

When I was in 10th grade I was in first period class and realized that I had 3 12 gauge shotgun shells in my pocket from waiting for a deer that morning at my place. I immediately went and discreetly told her my mistake. She nodded and I handed her the 3 shells where the other students could not see them. I went back to my desk. She left. About 5 minutes later I'm being taken out by the SRO and my vehicle is being searched. I ended up being suspended for 10 days from that stunt.

/CSB
 
2012-12-19 12:56:00 PM

doglover: Weaver95: well that kid's life is ruined forever.

I was arrested for post Columbine paranoia.

ZOMG, unpopular kid with long hair. He must be a THREAT.

Everything dismissed, records expunged. Why? I didn't do anything actionable(unless fashion police are a real thing) They just din't like me.


Well, to be fair, even if these mass casualty events didn't happen nobody would like you anyway.

/I keed
 
2012-12-19 12:56:28 PM

vpb: I don't know about expulsion, but just being that careless with a gun is  dangerous.  A car is a stupid place to keep a gun anyway, it's way too easy to steal.  Especially if it's visible from outside of the car.
 
It doesn't do much good to keep mentally unstable people from buying guns if they can just look for a car with a gun in it that someone forgot to unlock, or break out a window with a rock.


This reminds me of for all the talk I hear about people needing to arm themselves against house intrusion, every gun owner I know who's been robbed had it happen when no one was home. NRA stickers on your car don't say "Owner is armed, go to the next house", they say "Wait until I'm not home to steal all my guns".
 
2012-12-19 12:56:28 PM
Now this is just ridiculous. Yeah, numbnutz should be slapped, but not with charges.
 
2012-12-19 12:56:31 PM

serial_crusher: On one hand, I want to say "zero tolerance OMG WHARGARBL!"
But on the other hand, I want to say "hey dumbshiat, if you can't put your gun up when you're done with it, maybe you shouldn't have one?"


I worked at a rural school district for a year, and it wasn't uncommon for the senior students to bring rifles and shotguns to school but leave them in the car, especially if left in the trunk. No one would even know without an aggressive search of all the vehicles in the parking lot. As far as I know, this was mainly done during deer hunting season so that if you saw a deer on your way home from school, but the administration was pretty lax about it year round.

I once found spent shotgun shells in the parking lot and the administration just told me to throw them away. A know some schools that would have been on full-lockdown with the discovery of anything like that, even at times when we weren't hyper-sensitive about it.
 
2012-12-19 12:58:02 PM
My high school back in the 90s used this as an excuse to expel one of their trouble students.

He wasn't that much trouble, and was pretty harmless, he just like disrupting class by burping the alphabet backwards, probably would have been diagnosed as Asperger's today. Good hunter too.

His sister was hot, but actually ended up the more dangerous of the siblings. She went nuts after high school. I wonder if her parents transferring to the school her brother ended up going to damaged her more than him...
 
2012-12-19 12:58:08 PM
He's one lucky kid, they didn't find his weed.
 
2012-12-19 12:58:13 PM
I wonder what exactly the automated phone message said.
 
HBK
2012-12-19 12:58:33 PM
Several kids at my high school would wake up around 4am, go hunting, then come to school. Hell, in the 80s my school used to let kids who were in the trap/skeet club bring their guns in to school so they wouldn't have to leave them in their cars to get stolen.

The outrage here is pants on head retarded.
 
2012-12-19 12:59:30 PM
And I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.
 
2012-12-19 12:59:39 PM

SnarfVader: Sybarite: It's funny but I was just talking to a friend last night who grew up in a very rural area and she was saying how many pickups in the parking lot would have guns in their racks during hunting season.
 
 
That's true. Where I went to high school we would have our guns in our rear window gun racks so we could go hunting immediately after school. Deer hunting season was almost like Christmas vacation around there. Not a lot of work got done that week.
 
Times are different now, plus I live in a suburban area. I doubt kids would get away with that in even the most rural settings these days.


I grew up in the outer fringe of suburbia and it was like pulling teeth to get an excused absence to go hunting. I can't imagine that I'll be able to take my son hunting out of state when he's in high school like my dad did with me. It will just have to be weekend hunting close to home.
 
2012-12-19 12:59:48 PM

Sybarite: It's funny but I was just talking to a friend last night who grew up in a very rural area and she was saying how many pickups in the parking lot would have guns in their racks during hunting season.


I graduated in '94. Nearly every truck had a gun rack. Nearly everybody carried axes in the rig as well. Oh no! Kids who go logging after school in areas full of bear and cougar have firearms and axes in their trucks! Oh course everybody was chopped up and shot at least 2-3 times a day. Oh wait, that didn't happen. All we did was have a couple of well deserved ass whuppings a week.

Now the school is a gun-free zone and there have been attempted gang rapes outside of the resource office door in front of a hundred kids. Only the DeMolay boys did anything about it.
 
2012-12-19 01:00:07 PM

Sybarite: It's funny but I was just talking to a friend last night who grew up in a very rural area and she was saying how many pickups in the parking lot would have guns in their racks during hunting season.


Must not have been that rural if they actually showed up to school during hunting season.

/I thought it was normal that schools made the first day of every hunting season (doe and buck) a vacation day.
 
2012-12-19 01:00:09 PM

serial_crusher: On one hand, I want to say "zero tolerance OMG WHARGARBL!"
But on the other hand, I want to say "hey dumbshiat, if you can't put your gun up when you're done with it, maybe you shouldn't have one?"



My thoughts too. I think that the type of people who forget to take a shotgun out of their car at school are going to be the same people who forget to take their kids out of the car during the summer when they go to work... 
 
2012-12-19 01:00:18 PM
Stay classy, libs!

Just going to get worse from here on out, because liberals refuse to use common sense.

And yes, growing up in a rural town in the late 70's early 80s, during deer season there were plenty of rifles in gun racks in pickups. Weird how there was no problems, huh?
 
2012-12-19 01:01:01 PM

BigSnatch: Mark Ratner: SlothB77: at least put it in the trunk where it isn't visible to someone looking through the window.
 
My first thought, too, but I wonder if they use bomb/drug sniffing dogs. Nothing would surprise me anymore.
 
 
In the video, the reporter said that the shotgun and knife were in plain sight of the police officers as they swept the parking lot. She also said that the penalty for having weapons on school property is expulsion.
 
As much as I think discretion is important in these cases and expulsion is excessive, if you're on school property with those items, you'd better know school policy regarding those items.
 
IMO, the kid is just a dumbass. A couple days of ISS where he has to write an essay on responsible gun ownership would suffice as reasonable punishment.



On one hand I agree... But on the other hand, this is very similar to what just happened in CN. Legal gun owner left guns unnattended, guns were taken and used to kill people - lots of them.

So, I don't think the punishment is too harsh. If he hand any brains at all, he would have had the gun stowed in the trunk to begin with. Around here (NJ), if you get pulled over with a gun in your car in plain site, you are just asking to have your car taken apart and searched. Hell, I had that happen to me once because I had a plastic sword in my backseat.
 
2012-12-19 01:01:06 PM

MattyFridays: Some kid was just committed in Maryland today because of what authorities call a "credible threat". They found no guns, no plans, just reports from "other students".


Perhaps not plans per se, but they claim they found "graphs, charts, diagrams, and lists [...] that suggested he may be planning to harm other people". I suspect they're way over-interpreting whatever they found, but without knowing what they found, maybe they do have some kind of physical evidence.
 
2012-12-19 01:01:40 PM
/CSB/
My Eagle Scout cousin was expelled and couldn't graduate because he had hunting knife in his Jeep's glove box.

Expelled.

The kid in the article is screwed. But yeah, dumb move. Take your gun out when you're done hunting.
 
2012-12-19 01:02:11 PM
God, I always hated school. I was the quiet, weird kid who kept to himself and didn't have a lot of friends. Every time there was a school shooting, there was a solid 3 months of shiat heaped on me.

If you want to encourage murders and school shootings, keep doing exactly that, people! Find the isolated, smart, frustrated kids who are already abjectly miserable in school and just make it worse by threatening them with legal action and frisking them constantly because other kids "make reports".

If I were in high school after this one, I'd probably be in handcuffs getting fisted by the School Resource Officer.
 
2012-12-19 01:02:17 PM

Disposable Rob: NRA stickers on your car don't say "Owner is armed, go to the next house", they say "Wait until I'm not home to steal all my guns".


It would be kind of funny to make up stickers that say that and paste them under the NRA stickers.
 
2012-12-19 01:02:19 PM

Weaver95: well that kid's life is ruined forever.



When someone screws up with a gun, frequently someone's life is ruined forever.
 
HBK
2012-12-19 01:03:57 PM

durbnpoisn: Around here (NJ), if you get pulled over with a gun in your car in plain site, you are just asking to have your car taken apart and searched. Hell, I had that happen to me once because I had a plastic sword in my backseat.


You know that you should always refuse those searches.
 
2012-12-19 01:04:37 PM

sammyk: I grew up in Wyoming and that was the norm. Hell I got a mini 14 for my 15th birthday.


i48.tinypic.com

What, did your parent hate you?
 
2012-12-19 01:05:01 PM
 
2012-12-19 01:05:10 PM

vygramul: Weaver95: well that kid's life is ruined forever.


When someone screws up with a gun, frequently someone's life is ruined forever.


This happened to a friend of mine in high school and he went to live a normal life.
 
2012-12-19 01:06:27 PM
I'm at work with a full box of bullets in my book bag that I forgot to take out when I got home from hunting last weekend, so I'm getting a bang out of this
 
2012-12-19 01:07:17 PM

Giltric: Could have been worse...


could have been a stick figure drawing.


That... just... no.
 
2012-12-19 01:07:48 PM

CJHardin: CSB

When I was in 10th grade I was in first period class and realized that I had 3 12 gauge shotgun shells in my pocket from waiting for a deer that morning at my place. I immediately went and discreetly told her my mistake. She nodded and I handed her the 3 shells where the other students could not see them. I went back to my desk. She left. About 5 minutes later I'm being taken out by the SRO and my vehicle is being searched. I ended up being suspended for 10 days from that stunt.

/CSB



People do not understand incentives.  This creates an incentive for a student not to self-report, and eventually, something bad will happen.
 
2012-12-19 01:07:50 PM

serial_crusher: On one hand, I want to say "zero tolerance OMG WHARGARBL!"
But on the other hand, I want to say "hey dumbshiat, if you can't put your gun up when you're done with it, maybe you shouldn't have one?"


I think the second one. It might be only one mistake, but *responsible* gun owners wouldn't do something this dumb. If you don't know better, no guns for you.
 
2012-12-19 01:08:24 PM

serial_crusher: On one hand, I want to say "zero tolerance OMG WHARGARBL!"
But on the other hand, I want to say "hey dumbshiat, if you can't put your gun up when you're done with it, maybe you shouldn't have one?"


All gun owners are responsible owners...

...right up until they point where they aren't responsible owners, and thus excluded from the discussion on gun control.
 
2012-12-19 01:08:47 PM

monoski: vygramul: Weaver95: well that kid's life is ruined forever.


When someone screws up with a gun, frequently someone's life is ruined forever.

This happened to a friend of mine in high school and he went to live a normal life.



Apparently, he didn't end up on fark, so his life isn't totally in the shiatter.
 
2012-12-19 01:09:08 PM

Thunderpipes: Stay classy, libs!

Just going to get worse from here on out, because liberals refuse to use common sense.

And yes, growing up in a rural town in the late 70's early 80s, during deer season there were plenty of rifles in gun racks in pickups. Weird how there was no problems, huh?



We're not in Mayberry anymore, Goober.
 
2012-12-19 01:09:27 PM

EnviroDude: At least it wasn't a pocket knife in a survival kit locked in the trunk of a car



So let me get this straight.  A kid, no...a Boy Scout no doubt, has a two-inch pocket knife locked in the trunk of his car ina survival kit and gets suspended?  C'mon.  I know everyone is shaken up over what happened last week, and I know there is a "zero tolerance" policy.  But for Christ's sake...where's the voice of reason?
 
2012-12-19 01:09:29 PM

vpb: but just being that careless with a gun is dangerous.


Being careless with a gun is your Constitutional right.
 
2012-12-19 01:09:53 PM
Can't help but think of this.. Skeet Surfing
 
2012-12-19 01:10:04 PM

Thunderpipes: Stay classy, libs!

Just going to get worse from here on out, because liberals refuse to use common sense.

And yes, growing up in a rural town in the late 70's early 80s, during deer season there were plenty of rifles in gun racks in pickups. Weird how there was no problems, huh?


Ahhh, and the trolling begins!.
 
2012-12-19 01:10:13 PM
The kid got a lesson in reality.
 
2012-12-19 01:10:49 PM

vygramul: Weaver95: well that kid's life is ruined forever.


When someone screws up with a gun, frequently someone's life is ruined forever.


Actually, guns are statistically extremely safe objects. According to the CDC, there were only 554 firearms deaths due to accidental shootings in 2009 (most recent year with data). The large bulk of firearms deaths is suicides (61%) followed by homicides (37%). Accidental deaths only account for 1.8% of all firearms deaths. Statistically, guns are very safe objects unless someone is *trying* to kill another person.
 
2012-12-19 01:10:58 PM

dittybopper: sammyk: I grew up in Wyoming and that was the norm. Hell I got a mini 14 for my 15th birthday.

[i48.tinypic.com image 320x202]

What, did your parent hate you?


Only the rich kids got Armalites back in the day.

/Me: "Can I get a rifle that weights less than a farkton and actually hits what its pointed at?"
/Noguns: "Why? ARE YOU KILLING BABIES!?!"
 
2012-12-19 01:11:11 PM
If you managed to forget about your gun and knife, you probably shouldn't have either
 
2012-12-19 01:12:08 PM

NightSteel: Can't help but think of this.. Skeet Surfing


I always loved that. Val Kilmer was a pretty good singer.
 
2012-12-19 01:12:22 PM
The student who started the rumor was identified and officials are dealing with the situation. 
 
I hope he's getting at least as much shiat as the student who has to deal with these bullshiat "charges."
 
2012-12-19 01:12:30 PM
CSB:

circa 1950: my aunt, at age 14, used to ride the NYC subway on the weekends, with her 12 year old brother, carrying a .22 rifle to go to a shooting range in Brooklyn.

Nobody even took a second look let alone panic or talk to them.

I've also heard of stories where high schools in rural areas would have a 'gun closet' for the fall hunting season. typically hunters start their day before dawn, so there was often time to go on a morning hunt before classes, and would go right to school after. nobody would have a problem checking their rifles on the way into class.
 
2012-12-19 01:12:47 PM

KingKauff: I'm at work with a full box of bullets in my book bag that I forgot to take out when I got home from hunting last weekend, so I'm getting a bang out of this


Boolits.
 
2012-12-19 01:13:17 PM
My high school had a gun range in the basement with a rifle team.

I've heard they had to switch to air softs.

I know someone with a concealed carry permit who just about had a hole shot in the floor of his truck when the cop picked it up during a traffic stop. He had to walk the cop through how to hold the gun (get your finger off the trigger stupid), and how to unload it.
 
2012-12-19 01:14:54 PM

serial_crusher: On one hand, I want to say "zero tolerance OMG WHARGARBL!"
But on the other hand, I want to say "hey dumbshiat, if you can't put your gun up when you're done with it, maybe you shouldn't have one?"



Yeah, pretty much this. The kid should take a gun safety course, maybe do a few hours of community service to hammer the point home, then it gets purged from the record. I think he's learned his lesson already.
 
2012-12-19 01:14:59 PM

enricofermi: If you managed to forget about your gun and knife, you probably shouldn't have either


Stealing is illegal.
 
2012-12-19 01:15:10 PM
When I was in high school, people had guns in their cars quite often. Our school was in a moderately sized town, but had a lot of kids from the country going to it. Wasn't rare that kids would go hunting right after school, so they would keep guns in their trunks. This was around the time of Columbine, too, even a bit after.

What is funny is that the "zero policy" means no guns in the trunk, yet the kid would still be able to skip class (or go at lunch), drive home and get a gun if he or she was really intending to do it. It doesn't really do anything to prevent school shootings. Plus, I am pretty sure that even in Columbine the kids didn't go into school with the guns in their trunks
 
2012-12-19 01:17:23 PM

TheGreatGazoo: My high school had a gun range in the basement with a rifle team.

I've heard they had to switch to air softs.

I know someone with a concealed carry permit who just about had a hole shot in the floor of his truck when the cop picked it up during a traffic stop. He had to walk the cop through how to hold the gun (get your finger off the trigger stupid), and how to unload it.


That's pretty horrifying. I don't even LIKE guns, and I know the safety rules for them. How does a cop not know these things?
 
2012-12-19 01:19:53 PM

HBK:
You know that you should always refuse those searches.


Uh ... gun in plain sight equals probable cause. No need for consent.
 
2012-12-19 01:20:10 PM
common sense sure is dead.
 
2012-12-19 01:20:14 PM

Phoenix87ta: hat's pretty horrifying. I don't even LIKE guns, and I know the safety rules for them. How does a cop not know these things?


Using a gun is part of a cops job, and therefore, they are horrible at it.
 
2012-12-19 01:22:33 PM

TheGreatGazoo: My high school had a gun range in the basement with a rifle team.

I've heard they had to switch to air softs.

I know someone with a concealed carry permit who just about had a hole shot in the floor of his truck when the cop picked it up during a traffic stop. He had to walk the cop through how to hold the gun (get your finger off the trigger stupid), and how to unload it.


Honest, not-trolling question: He carried it in a ready-to-fire condition? I thought you weren't supposed to have a round in the chamber?
 
2012-12-19 01:23:14 PM

EnviroDude: At least it wasn't a pocket knife in a survival kit locked in the trunk of a car


Hopefully he got his merit badge in Growing Up In A Paranoid Society...
 
HBK
2012-12-19 01:24:01 PM
People sure have become a bunch of pussies when it comes to guns.

I'm all for increased mental health checks, and maybe capacity limits. I think most rational people on both sides of the argument would agree with this.

The gun-grabbers, who have been very vocal on Fark as of late, are just plain afraid of guns. I've never met someone who has been anti-gun who has ever handled or used a gun before.
 
2012-12-19 01:25:13 PM

EnviroDude: At least it wasn't a pocket knife in a survival kit locked in the trunk of a car


wow.
Just...
wow.

Sometimes America, it's like I don't even know you.
 
2012-12-19 01:25:48 PM

Weaver95: well that kid's life is ruined forever.


Success!
 
2012-12-19 01:27:23 PM

Fubini: vygramul: Weaver95: well that kid's life is ruined forever.


When someone screws up with a gun, frequently someone's life is ruined forever.

Actually, guns are statistically extremely safe objects. According to the CDC, there were only 554 firearms deaths due to accidental shootings in 2009 (most recent year with data). The large bulk of firearms deaths is suicides (61%) followed by homicides (37%). Accidental deaths only account for 1.8% of all firearms deaths. Statistically, guns are very safe objects unless someone is *trying* to kill another person.


Accidental deaths from guns has been steadily declining for about a decade due to required safety features and owner education. But accidental deaths are but a drop in the proverbial bucket. Most firearm deaths are the result of murder or suicide. Guns are the weapon of choice in 67% of all murders.

The CDC has stats for 2010:

"In the U.S. for 2010, there were 31,513 deaths from firearms, distributed as follows by mode of death: Suicide 19,308; Homicide 11,015; Accident 600. This makes firearms injuries one of the top ten causes of death in the U.S. The number of firearms-related injuries in the U.S., both fatal and non-fatal, increased through 1993, declined to 1999, and has remained relatively constant since. However, firearms injuries remain a leading cause of death in the U.S., particularly among youth (CDC, 2001) (Sherry et al, 2012)."

Source: University of Utah Medical library
 
HBK
2012-12-19 01:27:30 PM

myrrh: HBK:
You know that you should always refuse those searches.

Uh ... gun in plain sight equals probable cause. No need for consent.


Regardless, refuse the shiat out of that. If they proceed without your consent, they would need to prove probable cause at trial. Simply having a gun in your car does not equal probable cause in my jurisdiction. Always refuse the searches. If the cop proceeds, the onus is on them to prove they had a reason to do so.
 
2012-12-19 01:28:21 PM

Fubini: vygramul: Weaver95: well that kid's life is ruined forever.


When someone screws up with a gun, frequently someone's life is ruined forever.

Actually, guns are statistically extremely safe objects. According to the CDC, there were only 554 firearms deaths due to accidental shootings in 2009 (most recent year with data). The large bulk of firearms deaths is suicides (61%) followed by homicides (37%). Accidental deaths only account for 1.8% of all firearms deaths. Statistically, guns are very safe objects unless someone is *trying* to kill another person.



That makes it harder to screw up with a gun.  It doesn't change that screwing up with a gun can frequently ruin someone's life forever.
 
2012-12-19 01:28:38 PM

Fark It: Weaver95: well that kid's life is ruined forever.

Success!


Not until he's spent time in a private prison
 
2012-12-19 01:29:47 PM

Ego edo infantia cattus: EnviroDude: At least it wasn't a pocket knife in a survival kit locked in the trunk of a car

wow.
Just...
wow.

Sometimes America, it's like I don't even know you.



As outrageous as that story sounds, and there's every possibility it was, in fact, that stupid, there is the possibility that the story contains a whole shiatload more self-righteous asshole behavior from the Eagle Scout than he self-reported.
 
2012-12-19 01:29:55 PM

Sybarite: It's funny but I was just talking to a friend last night who grew up in a very rural area and she was saying how many pickups in the parking lot would have guns in their racks during hunting season.


Well, that's the way it was were I went to High School also.
 
2012-12-19 01:30:38 PM

HBK: myrrh: HBK:
You know that you should always refuse those searches.

Uh ... gun in plain sight equals probable cause. No need for consent.

Regardless, refuse the shiat out of that. If they proceed without your consent, they would need to prove probable cause at trial. Simply having a gun in your car does not equal probable cause in my jurisdiction. Always refuse the searches. If the cop proceeds, the onus is on them to prove they had a reason to do so.


This is good advice -- but by that point, you're going to get your car tossed whether you consent or not, and you're probably going to do some jail time, if only waiting to be charged with something or released. The better policy is to not be a dumbass and keep the weapon unloaded and in the trunk.
 
2012-12-19 01:31:03 PM

Weaver95: well that kid's life is ruined forever.



but, but... for the kids...
 
wait... wut?
 
2012-12-19 01:32:04 PM
Really guys? Do people have such a boner for deer hunting that they have to go shoot up a deer right after school? Can't wait to get home first and put away the schoolbooks and change to camo?

If you don't bring your physics book out when hunting, don't bring your guns to school either.
 
2012-12-19 01:32:48 PM
Did the school have a new alert system

HBK: People sure have become a bunch of pussies when it comes to guns.

I'm all for increased mental health checks, and maybe capacity limits. I think most rational people on both sides of the argument would agree with this.

The gun-grabbers, who have been very vocal on Fark as of late, are just plain afraid of guns. I've never met someone who has been anti-gun who has ever handled or used a gun before.


A co-worker yesterday launched into a anti-gun tirade full of machine guns, nuclear bombs, muskets, gun show loophole, the full monty. I asked him if had any actual experience with guns and he said no. I figure with credentials like that, he should be in charge of drafting legislation.
 
2012-12-19 01:32:54 PM
does anyone else feel like they are intentionally trying to dumb down the populous ... umm... more by expelling /suspending students willy-nilly for a more easily controlled populous?
 
2012-12-19 01:33:44 PM

durbnpoisn: So, I don't think the punishment is too harsh. If he hand any brains at all, he would have had the gun stowed in the trunk to begin with. Around here (NJ), if you get pulled over with a gun in your car in plain site, you are just asking to have your car taken apart and searched. Hell, I had that happen to me once because I had a plastic sword in my backseat.


Oh hell that made me remember something. I had to go to police station last summer because my dog got put in the pound. While I was waiting (and waiting and waiting) for someone to show up who could tell me how to get my dog back, I was sitting out in the parking lot in my car with my co-worker. He was smoking a cigarette and when he walked over by a nearby truck, he noticed that there was a large rifle in it (he told me what kind it was, but I don't know. A hunting rifle of some kind.)

In an unlocked truck, window down, in a vehicle belonging to someone who worked at the police department. Which was right next door to the local jail. So this county employee had left a gun in plain sight in his truck, while parked in front of both the police station and the jail. Which was right across the street from the big parks area where the kids all played baseball and soccer.

My co-worker was an ex-cop and he was so outraged that he almost complained.....but, weird thing about the guy--even though he was an ex-cop and a huge dick, he knew better than to make waves with law enforcement and draw attention to himself. He said nothing to the guys inside.
 
2012-12-19 01:33:59 PM

Thunderpipes: Stay classy, libs!

Just going to get worse from here on out, because liberals refuse to use common sense.

And yes, growing up in a rural town in the late 70's early 80s, during deer season there were plenty of rifles in gun racks in pickups. Weird how there was no problems, huh?


Your outrage always makes me feel warm inside. I hope it does get worse. A lot worse, so you get more and more agitated for our entertainment.
 
HBK
2012-12-19 01:36:02 PM

myrrh: This is good advice -- but by that point, you're going to get your car tossed whether you consent or not, and you're probably going to do some jail time, if only waiting to be charged with something or released. The better policy is to not be a dumbass and keep the weapon unloaded and in the trunk.


Like I said, having a gun in your car is perfectly fine in my jurisdiction, and likely in several other jurisdictions so YMMV based on local laws.

To illustrate my previous point, I once got pulled over and they had all of the passengers exit the vehicle. A passenger left an open container on the floorboard, which you would assume is clear probable cause. I refused to allow the search, and the cops argued amongst themselves whether it was probable cause, and then determined they could grab that one open container but otherwise could not search the vehicle. Some cops will err on the side of not illegally searching your vehicle, some cops may not. But anything they find in the search may be inadmissible if the court does not find probable cause.

/IANAL
 
2012-12-19 01:36:21 PM
farm8.staticflickr.com
 
2012-12-19 01:36:53 PM

HBK: durbnpoisn: Around here (NJ), if you get pulled over with a gun in your car in plain site, you are just asking to have your car taken apart and searched. Hell, I had that happen to me once because I had a plastic sword in my backseat.

You know that you should always refuse those searches.



Where I grew up, if you refused the search, they would make you sit there while they went and got a search warrant. And then they would search the car extra-special-like. In some cases, they would plant something. Point is, you dindn't F with the cops in my area.
 
2012-12-19 01:40:06 PM

durbnpoisn: HBK: durbnpoisn: Around here (NJ), if you get pulled over with a gun in your car in plain site, you are just asking to have your car taken apart and searched. Hell, I had that happen to me once because I had a plastic sword in my backseat.

You know that you should always refuse those searches.


Where I grew up, if you refused the search, they would make you sit there while they went and got a search warrant. And then they would search the car extra-special-like. In some cases, they would plant something. Point is, you dindn't F with the cops in my area.



they should outlaw planting of evidence
 
HBK
2012-12-19 01:40:53 PM

durbnpoisn: HBK: durbnpoisn: Around here (NJ), if you get pulled over with a gun in your car in plain site, you are just asking to have your car taken apart and searched. Hell, I had that happen to me once because I had a plastic sword in my backseat.

You know that you should always refuse those searches.


Where I grew up, if you refused the search, they would make you sit there while they went and got a search warrant. And then they would search the car extra-special-like. In some cases, they would plant something. Point is, you dindn't F with the cops in my area.


They need probable cause to search the car. They need probable cause to obtain a search warrant. If what you're saying is true and the court was complicit in allowing illegal searches, then they violated the constitution and should be sued. Any competent attorney could get that search thrown out of court.

But it sounds more like an urban legend to me.
 
2012-12-19 01:41:22 PM

eastiowa: [farm8.staticflickr.com image 640x428]


jesus, are you some kind of moster???? What do you need that for???? We need a full, 100% across the board ban no this. Bud Light Lime. How dare you.
 
2012-12-19 01:41:26 PM
I'm reminded of the only fatality by someone with a conceal and carry permit in Minnesota.  The guy got pissed at a bouncer.  Did he take out his gun and shoot the guy?  No.  Did he go to his car, pick up his gun, and then go shoot the guy? No.  He drove home.  Picked up his gun.  Drove back.  Then shot the guy.
 
/how many fatalities are caused by idiots who keep guys in their cars?
//this guy showed a real lack of common sense - but charges?  really?
 
2012-12-19 01:42:11 PM

HBK: myrrh: HBK:
You know that you should always refuse those searches.

Uh ... gun in plain sight equals probable cause. No need for consent.

Regardless, refuse the shiat out of that. If they proceed without your consent, they would need to prove probable cause at trial. Simply having a gun in your car does not equal probable cause in my jurisdiction. Always refuse the searches. If the cop proceeds, the onus is on them to prove they had a reason to do so.


Having a gun visible in a state-mandated gun free zone automatically = probable cause just as having a beer bottle in the drink holder or a doobie sticking out of the ashtray during a traffic stop = probable cause. Refuse all you want... you're getting searched/tested.
 
2012-12-19 01:42:28 PM
Remember kids, the world is a scary and frightful place full of bad people. And you can't do a damn thing to protect yourself from it, because we would rather you die like a biatch.
 
2012-12-19 01:42:56 PM

eastiowa: [farm8.staticflickr.com image 640x428]


Bud Lite Lime? You sir are a monster.
 
2012-12-19 01:43:11 PM

Sybarite: It's funny but I was just talking to a friend last night who grew up in a very rural area and she was saying how many pickups in the parking lot would have guns in their racks during hunting season.


I remember that too. It was all about dick waving.
 
2012-12-19 01:44:24 PM

eastiowa: [farm8.staticflickr.com image 640x428]


I was thinking, "now that's a man's car". Then I spotted the Bud Light lime. FAIL
 
HBK
2012-12-19 01:45:47 PM

ElLoco: HBK: myrrh: HBK:
You know that you should always refuse those searches.

Uh ... gun in plain sight equals probable cause. No need for consent.

Regardless, refuse the shiat out of that. If they proceed without your consent, they would need to prove probable cause at trial. Simply having a gun in your car does not equal probable cause in my jurisdiction. Always refuse the searches. If the cop proceeds, the onus is on them to prove they had a reason to do so.

Having a gun visible in a state-mandated gun free zone automatically = probable cause just as having a beer bottle in the drink holder or a doobie sticking out of the ashtray during a traffic stop = probable cause. Refuse all you want... you're getting searched/tested.


We weren't talking about gun-free zones. But yes, if you have a gun in a gun-free zone, that is likely sufficient probable cause.

/IANAL
 
2012-12-19 01:45:53 PM

serial_crusher: On one hand, I want to say "zero tolerance OMG WHARGARBL!"
But on the other hand, I want to say "hey dumbshiat, if you can't put your gun up when you're done with it, maybe you shouldn't have one?"


That apply to cops too?

Back in 1988, My father took me skeet shooting. Well, to watch anyway (I was 11, hate guns, it was a day out). There was an off duty cop, who was a friend of a friend of my father. The cop asks if he can put his rifle down on top of the car for a minute, father lets him (station wagon, monster roof rack). Anyway, we finish up, Get in the car and drive home. A few miles from the house, I say "Dad, did that guy ever take his gun off the roof? We pull over, farking thing is still there, unsecured and loaded. After a 10 minute "A Christmas Story" style cursing session, my father unloads it, put it in the back seat and for the rest of trip home my father went into a rant about how they have all these laws and training sessions for regular people, but a guy who uses weapons for a living can be that careless. Had we stopped at a store on the way home, someone could have grabbed it. Hell, it could've fell off and killed someone that way too. Or we could've been stopped by another cop, I'm sure they would've bought the excuse.

It's the idiots in this world, not the guns.
 
2012-12-19 01:46:31 PM

eastiowa: [farm8.staticflickr.com image 640x428]



I noticed the AAs and econopaks. Doing some trap?
 
2012-12-19 01:46:35 PM
Huntin' wild PIGS of course.
 
2012-12-19 01:47:26 PM
Parents were sent an automated phone alert.
 
2012-12-19 01:47:37 PM

machoprogrammer: When I was in high school, people had guns in their cars quite often. Our school was in a moderately sized town, but had a lot of kids from the country going to it. Wasn't rare that kids would go hunting right after school, so they would keep guns in their trunks. This was around the time of Columbine, too, even a bit after.

What is funny is that the "zero policy" means no guns in the trunk, yet the kid would still be able to skip class (or go at lunch), drive home and get a gun if he or she was really intending to do it. It doesn't really do anything to prevent school shootings. Plus, I am pretty sure that even in Columbine the kids didn't go into school with the guns in their trunks


It was the same when I was in HS back in the 70s A lot of the farm boys had pickups and many had gun racks with a gun or two in it or at least a shotgun behind the seat. No one thought anything about it then. But then, we didn't have students going all medieval and shooting up the school either.
 
2012-12-19 01:48:09 PM

Richard Flaccid: eastiowa: [farm8.staticflickr.com image 640x428]

I was thinking, "now that's a man's car". Then I spotted the Bud Light lime. FAIL


and the well groomed poodle.

You must be from Iowa City? Quad Cities?
 
2012-12-19 01:49:12 PM

BigSnatch: As much as I think discretion is important in these cases and expulsion is excessive


Well luckily people with common sense don't give a damn what people like you think since the unfortunate event.

If you're stupid enough to bring a gun to school you deserve to face the consequences...whatever those may be where you go to school.
 
2012-12-19 01:50:34 PM

Sybarite: It's funny but I was just talking to a friend last night who grew up in a very rural area and she was saying how many pickups in the parking lot would have guns in their racks during hunting season.



Conoco gas company tried this a few years back - fired employees who had guns in their cars in the parking lot.  Think the HQ was in Oklahoma or Texas or some other hunting-dominated state.  
 
/I no longer buy gas from Conoco.  
 
2012-12-19 01:51:57 PM

Richard Flaccid: eastiowa: [farm8.staticflickr.com image 640x428]

I was thinking, "now that's a man's car". Then I spotted the Bud Light lime. FAIL


Here you go. Nitrous tank, first-aid kit, ammo, rifles. 
i100.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-19 01:52:54 PM

CJHardin: CSB

When I was in 10th grade I was in first period class and realized that I had 3 12 gauge shotgun shells in my pocket from waiting for a deer that morning at my place. I immediately went and discreetly told her my mistake. She nodded and I handed her the 3 shells where the other students could not see them. I went back to my desk. She left. About 5 minutes later I'm being taken out by the SRO and my vehicle is being searched. I ended up being suspended for 10 days from that stunt.

/CSB


Look I get it, you gun lovers don't think twice about there being a gun in your car or ammo in your pocket. It's not a big deal to you. That is no longer how your country is going to be and you'd better adjust to it or you're going to get in legal trouble. The general public is not going to support you anymore.
 
2012-12-19 01:54:54 PM
Well, yeah, that was a pretty bad place to leave a weapon. A little consideration of policy would have saved this kid a truckload of trouble.

This is just an example of the disconnect we have between the people who view guns broadly as tools and objects vs those who view them specifically as instruments of death, though. The kid had a gun in his car, sure. To him it's probably just a thing you use to shoot game, I had the same problem growing up - I could never figure out why some people seemed so scared of what to me were just inanimate (though dangerous if improperly handled) objects. As I got older I realized those folks see all firearms as objects as well, it's just that in their mind every one of those objects is designed solely for murder.

No one had a problem with my swords, though. Odd since they where so specifically designed to kill people you can't even use them for anything else.
 
HBK
2012-12-19 01:55:05 PM

Red_Fox: Look I get it, you gun lovers don't think twice about there being a gun in your car or ammo in your pocket. It's not a big deal to you. That is no longer how your country is going to be and you'd better adjust to it or you're going to get in legal trouble. The general public is not going to support you anymore.


"America should change because I am afraid of guns."

The world's not going to change because you wet yourself at the idea of a gun or, heaven forbid, shotgun shells.
 
2012-12-19 01:56:36 PM

Weaver95: well that kid's life is ruined forever.


Well...hopefully he was a minor...if not, yup. He will be nearly unemployable.
 
2012-12-19 01:58:02 PM

BigSnatch: Mark Ratner: SlothB77: at least put it in the trunk where it isn't visible to someone looking through the window.
 
My first thought, too, but I wonder if they use bomb/drug sniffing dogs. Nothing would surprise me anymore.
 
 
In the video, the reporter said that the shotgun and knife were in plain sight of the police officers as they swept the parking lot. She also said that the penalty for having weapons on school property is expulsion.
 
As much as I think discretion is important in these cases and expulsion is excessive, if you're on school property with those items, you'd better know school policy regarding those items.
 
IMO, the kid is just a dumbass. A couple days of ISS where he has to write an essay on responsible gun ownership would suffice as reasonable punishment.


There's a lengthy training period before you can even qualify to go to the ISS. Especially with the Russians controlling the access, I don't think it's possible to go for just a couple of days. That also seems like you're rewarding the kid for doing something that is fundamentally dumb.

I think it would be better just to suspend him and have him serve that suspension time in school.
 
2012-12-19 01:58:26 PM

Red_Fox: CJHardin: CSB

When I was in 10th grade I was in first period class and realized that I had 3 12 gauge shotgun shells in my pocket from waiting for a deer that morning at my place. I immediately went and discreetly told her my mistake. She nodded and I handed her the 3 shells where the other students could not see them. I went back to my desk. She left. About 5 minutes later I'm being taken out by the SRO and my vehicle is being searched. I ended up being suspended for 10 days from that stunt.

/CSB

Look I get it, you gun lovers don't think twice about there being a gun in your car or ammo in your pocket. It's not a big deal to you. That is no longer how your country is going to be and you'd better adjust to it or you're going to get in legal trouble. The general public is not going to support you anymore.


It may shock you, but despite all the noise you make most Americans don't agree with you.
 
2012-12-19 01:58:26 PM
I know it's all a matter of opinion, but hunting is kinda a farkin' stupid waste of time to begin with.
 
2012-12-19 01:59:19 PM
In rural PA year 2000 we used to bring our rifles to school and clean them for hunting season. Hell we even loaded shot shells for duck hunting in shop.

Then planes hit a building and some douche threw a pipe bomb.

Now nail clippers are weapons.

WTF America. Pansies.
 
2012-12-19 01:59:59 PM

JackieRabbit: It was the same when I was in HS back in the 70s A lot of the farm boys had pickups and many had gun racks with a gun or two in it or at least a shotgun behind the seat. No one thought anything about it then. But then, we didn't have students going all medieval and shooting up the school either.


I have a very vivid memory of someone in our high school parking lot having their vehicle searched by the principle after school. Our school was (obviously) an alcohol-free zone and they had left some cans in the floorboard and some in the truck bed. Several of us gathered around and was giving the guy crap because the principle found a case behind the seat and was making him open each can and pour it out on the parking lot.

There was a lever action .30-30 and a shotgun in the rack in his back window.
 
2012-12-19 02:00:07 PM

Red_Fox: CJHardin: CSB

When I was in 10th grade I was in first period class and realized that I had 3 12 gauge shotgun shells in my pocket from waiting for a deer that morning at my place. I immediately went and discreetly told her my mistake. She nodded and I handed her the 3 shells where the other students could not see them. I went back to my desk. She left. About 5 minutes later I'm being taken out by the SRO and my vehicle is being searched. I ended up being suspended for 10 days from that stunt.

/CSB

Look I get it, you gun lovers don't think twice about there being a gun in your car or ammo in your pocket. It's not a big deal to you. That is no longer how your country is going to be and you'd better adjust to it or you're going to get in legal trouble. The general public is not going to support you anymore.


I'm not a gun lover. Don't even own one any more (well, I think my shotgun and .22 rifle may still be in my parent's attic). But you need to stop and think about WHY our country has become so dangerous and strange. We've always had guns and we've always had people who kill other people with them. But we never had high school kids killing their classmates, or Sideshow Bobs shooting up a movie theater, or some upscale holocaust prepper's strange emo spawn killing 20 six year olds with an assault weapon. What changed over the last 30 years? Guns are not the real issue. The real issue is how we got so farked up so fast.
 
2012-12-19 02:00:09 PM

JesseL: Red_Fox: CJHardin: CSB

When I was in 10th grade I was in first period class and realized that I had 3 12 gauge shotgun shells in my pocket from waiting for a deer that morning at my place. I immediately went and discreetly told her my mistake. She nodded and I handed her the 3 shells where the other students could not see them. I went back to my desk. She left. About 5 minutes later I'm being taken out by the SRO and my vehicle is being searched. I ended up being suspended for 10 days from that stunt.

/CSB

Look I get it, you gun lovers don't think twice about there being a gun in your car or ammo in your pocket. It's not a big deal to you. That is no longer how your country is going to be and you'd better adjust to it or you're going to get in legal trouble. The general public is not going to support you anymore.

It may shock you, but despite all the noise you make most Americans don't agree with you.


Oh wait, you're Canadian. In that case just STFU. Nobody cares about you.
 
2012-12-19 02:00:44 PM

Red_Fox: CJHardin: CSB

When I was in 10th grade I was in first period class and realized that I had 3 12 gauge shotgun shells in my pocket from waiting for a deer that morning at my place. I immediately went and discreetly told her my mistake. She nodded and I handed her the 3 shells where the other students could not see them. I went back to my desk. She left. About 5 minutes later I'm being taken out by the SRO and my vehicle is being searched. I ended up being suspended for 10 days from that stunt.

/CSB

Look I get it, you gun lovers don't think twice about there being a gun in your car or ammo in your pocket. It's not a big deal to you. That is no longer how your country is going to be and you'd better adjust to it or you're going to get in legal trouble. The general public is not going to support you anymore.


The general public keeps getting stupider and stupider.
 
2012-12-19 02:01:28 PM

MattyFridays: doglover:

Everything dismissed, records expunged. Why? I didn't do anything actionable(unless fashion police are a real thing) They just din't like me.

Some kid was just committed in Maryland today because of what authorities call a "credible threat". They found no guns, no plans, just reports from "other students".

So weird kid gets locked up because he's weird.

Fantastic.


Last week this would've been called bullying.
 
2012-12-19 02:01:44 PM
It wasn't too many years ago and there was a great hue and cry about school officials conducting searches of students' lockers. Seems it was considered a great invasion of a student's privacy for school officials to search school-owned lockers inside the school building. So how is it that in this case, school officials were conducting a sweep of privately owned vehicles that happened to be (we'll presume legally) parked on school property?
 
2012-12-19 02:03:10 PM

KingKauff: I'm at work with a full box of bullets in my book bag that I forgot to take out when I got home from hunting last weekend, so I'm getting a bang out of this


i'm at work right now and have bullets, and a disassembled FN 5.7 on my desk.

... but I work from home and i'm cleaning the pistol, waiting for a conference call.
 
2012-12-19 02:03:21 PM

JesseL: JesseL: Red_Fox: CJHardin: CSB

When I was in 10th grade I was in first period class and realized that I had 3 12 gauge shotgun shells in my pocket from waiting for a deer that morning at my place. I immediately went and discreetly told her my mistake. She nodded and I handed her the 3 shells where the other students could not see them. I went back to my desk. She left. About 5 minutes later I'm being taken out by the SRO and my vehicle is being searched. I ended up being suspended for 10 days from that stunt.

/CSB

Look I get it, you gun lovers don't think twice about there being a gun in your car or ammo in your pocket. It's not a big deal to you. That is no longer how your country is going to be and you'd better adjust to it or you're going to get in legal trouble. The general public is not going to support you anymore.

It may shock you, but despite all the noise you make most Americans don't agree with you.

Oh wait, you're Canadian. In that case just STFU. Nobody cares about you.


Canadian, eh? No wonder he is so out of touch with the actual opinion of the American public.
 
2012-12-19 02:03:30 PM
For those with knife stories and those commenting on said knife stories, here's mine. I've carried a pocketknife since I was in middle school (I'm 36 now). A few years ago I traveled to Australia on a business trip. I packed my three blade folding pocket knife in my checked bag, the longest blade is 3 inches. I knew I would be taking a physical inventory of a manufacturing facility and thought I might need it to cut tags, tape, ect. Once day I pulled it out to cut a zip tie off of a box. I quickly learned from the locals that my knife was illegal to carry as it's considered a concealed deadly weapon and if I got caught with it I would be in jail. My story is two fold. One, I'm an idiot for not knowing local laws..but seriously WTF, I can see a bowie knife but a folder!?!?!. I'm not sure where a leatherman tool would be categoried. Two, this is where the USA will end up. It will be incremental and events such as Sandy Hook will continue to happen with different weapons. Next thing will be knives over x inches and no swords. Beware the pointy sticks too.
 
2012-12-19 02:04:34 PM
I was at the shooting range a few years back and we were shooting Berettas. Women were in the two lanes next to me.

We had 10 seconds to fire three shots. Two to the body, one to the head.

Range master or whatever the fark he's called yelled cease fire after the 10 seconds were up. Two seconds later I hear BAM! as the woman to my right discharges her gun. I'm like wtf. Later on im counting the holes in my target and i have a few more than the number of rounds i shot. I'm like wtf...

Later on the woman to my left gets yelled at by the range master guy for...*pointing her pistol at my back*.

He said "if you point that at his back one more time you're off the range!"

I was like "kick her out of here NOW!"

CSB.
 
2012-12-19 02:04:49 PM
eastiowa: [farm8.staticflickr.com image 640x428]

I was thinking, "now that's a man's car". Then I spotted the Bud Light lime. FAIL

and the well groomed poodle.

You must be from Iowa City? Quad Cities?


Davenport.... thanks

farm3.staticflickr.com
 
2012-12-19 02:05:14 PM

EnviroDude: At least it wasn't a pocket knife in a survival kit locked in the trunk of a car


jesus christ. Really?
 
2012-12-19 02:06:01 PM
We walked to school--- cars were an expensive luxury. We brought guns for show and tell. No big deal as long as they were unloaded. We had a school skeet shooting team.
 
2012-12-19 02:07:02 PM

filter: We walked to school--- cars were an expensive luxury. We brought guns for show and tell. No big deal as long as they were unloaded. We had a school skeet shooting team.


You farking monster.
 
2012-12-19 02:07:48 PM

boozehat: KingKauff: I'm at work with a full box of bullets in my book bag that I forgot to take out when I got home from hunting last weekend, so I'm getting a bang out of this

i'm at work right now and have bullets, and a disassembled FN 5.7 on my desk.

... but I work from home and i'm cleaning the pistol, waiting for a conference call.


FN 5.7 huh?

You must be a cop killer.
 
2012-12-19 02:08:03 PM

havocmike: I know it's all a matter of opinion, but hunting is kinda a farkin' stupid waste of time to begin with.


So is sitting in a coffee shop all day drinking lattes. To each their own.
 
2012-12-19 02:08:14 PM

sammyk: Sybarite: It's funny but I was just talking to a friend last night who grew up in a very rural area and she was saying how many pickups in the parking lot would have guns in their racks during hunting season.


I grew up in Wyoming and that was the norm. Hell I got a mini 14 for my 15th birthday.



A mini-14 for your birthday? You spoiled(lucky) bastard.
 
2012-12-19 02:09:52 PM

You Must Construct Additional Pylons.: boozehat: KingKauff: I'm at work with a full box of bullets in my book bag that I forgot to take out when I got home from hunting last weekend, so I'm getting a bang out of this

i'm at work right now and have bullets, and a disassembled FN 5.7 on my desk.

... but I work from home and i'm cleaning the pistol, waiting for a conference call.

FN 5.7 huh?

You must be a cop killer.


I've only got blue tips. They shoot good, but not through even soft armor.
 
2012-12-19 02:10:21 PM

occamswrist: I was at the shooting range a few years back and we were shooting Berettas. Women were in the two lanes next to me.

We had 10 seconds to fire three shots. Two to the body, one to the head.

Range master or whatever the fark he's called yelled cease fire after the 10 seconds were up. Two seconds later I hear BAM! as the woman to my right discharges her gun. I'm like wtf. Later on im counting the holes in my target and i have a few more than the number of rounds i shot. I'm like wtf...

Later on the woman to my left gets yelled at by the range master guy for...*pointing her pistol at my back*.

He said "if you point that at his back one more time you're off the range!"

I was like "kick her out of here NOW!"

CSB.


It's morons like that woman that end up accidentally shooting a family member or friend because they thought it wasn't loaded.
People like her dont need firearms...
 
2012-12-19 02:11:01 PM

ElLoco:
I have a very vivid memory of someone in our high school parking lot having their vehicle searched by the principle after school. Our school was (obviously) an alcohol-free zone and they had left some cans in the floorboard and some in the truck bed. Several of us gathered around and was giving the guy crap because the principle found a case behind the seat and was making him open each can and pour it out on the parking lot.

There was a lever action .30-30 and a shotgun in the rack in his back window.


That's precisely the way such things should be handled. I bet the kid didn't have his life ruined over it -- just embarrassed over it. I bet he never brought booze onto school grounds again, either.

Nowadays ... ti's the end of the world if you do something like that. And god forbid you have a weapon.
 
2012-12-19 02:11:29 PM

boozehat: You Must Construct Additional Pylons.: boozehat: KingKauff: I'm at work with a full box of bullets in my book bag that I forgot to take out when I got home from hunting last weekend, so I'm getting a bang out of this

i'm at work right now and have bullets, and a disassembled FN 5.7 on my desk.

... but I work from home and i'm cleaning the pistol, waiting for a conference call.

FN 5.7 huh?

You must be a cop killer.

I've only got blue tips. They shoot good, but not through even soft armor.


The media said you cop killers would try to say that!!!
 
2012-12-19 02:12:20 PM

myrrh: ElLoco:
I have a very vivid memory of someone in our high school parking lot having their vehicle searched by the principle after school. Our school was (obviously) an alcohol-free zone and they had left some cans in the floorboard and some in the truck bed. Several of us gathered around and was giving the guy crap because the principle found a case behind the seat and was making him open each can and pour it out on the parking lot.

There was a lever action .30-30 and a shotgun in the rack in his back window.

That's precisely the way such things should be handled. I bet the kid didn't have his life ruined over it -- just embarrassed over it. I bet he never brought booze onto school grounds again, either.

Nowadays ... ti's the end of the world if you do something like that. And god forbid you have a weapon.


And let's be clear...ANY sort of weapon.
 
2012-12-19 02:13:22 PM
Hunting all weekend, and now in the middle of the week the gun's still in the trunk?  Irresponsible gun ownership.  Take that biatch out and clean it!
 
2012-12-19 02:13:30 PM

myrrh: ElLoco:
I have a very vivid memory of someone in our high school parking lot having their vehicle searched by the principle after school. Our school was (obviously) an alcohol-free zone and they had left some cans in the floorboard and some in the truck bed. Several of us gathered around and was giving the guy crap because the principle found a case behind the seat and was making him open each can and pour it out on the parking lot.

There was a lever action .30-30 and a shotgun in the rack in his back window.

That's precisely the way such things should be handled. I bet the kid didn't have his life ruined over it -- just embarrassed over it. I bet he never brought booze onto school grounds again, either.

Nowadays ... ti's the end of the world if you do something like that. And god forbid you have a weapon.


And this is exactly why shootings happen. Our kids are not even remotely raised right any more.
 
2012-12-19 02:13:40 PM

HBK: "America should change because I am afraid of guns."
The world's not going to change because you wet yourself at the idea of a gun or, heaven forbid, shotgun shells.


Everyone in the country is not going to arm themselves either, so that you tiny percentage of gun lovers can continue to have your love affair with lethal weapons. Because that's your solution, right---everyone should just be better armed. That's the one I keep hearing around here.

Well, I have several big pit bulls that sometimes get loose. When they get killed I get more, I just love my mean guard dogs. Tough shiat if you don't like it, it's my right to own dogs. Why don't you go get some big dogs of your own, so you can defend yourself from the pit bulls of the world? You aren't going to take MY rights away from ME.

/and that's how you all sound too--it's all about YOU and your precious toys.
 
2012-12-19 02:14:23 PM

sammyk: Sybarite: It's funny but I was just talking to a friend last night who grew up in a very rural area and she was saying how many pickups in the parking lot would have guns in their racks during hunting season.


I grew up in Wyoming and that was the norm. Hell I got a mini 14 for my 15th birthday.


The school I went to allowed kids to bring their guns into school until the mid 80's.
 
2012-12-19 02:14:24 PM

Mr. Right: It wasn't too many years ago and there was a great hue and cry about school officials conducting searches of students' lockers. Seems it was considered a great invasion of a student's privacy for school officials to search school-owned lockers inside the school building. So how is it that in this case, school officials were conducting a sweep of privately owned vehicles that happened to be (we'll presume legally) parked on school property?


What's funny about it is, in many places, a vehicle and its contents are considered an extension of your house -- therefore anything you can store legally in your house can be stored in your car as well. But there seems to be some special derp exception to school grounds in a lot of places as well.

Lesson? Don't park on school property. Of course, I bet they've found a way to get you anyway, such as "well he was *on the way to* school, so therefore... derp"
 
2012-12-19 02:14:45 PM

crowbar032: For those with knife stories and those commenting on said knife stories, here's mine. I've carried a pocketknife since I was in middle school (I'm 36 now). A few years ago I traveled to Australia on a business trip. I packed my three blade folding pocket knife in my checked bag, the longest blade is 3 inches. I knew I would be taking a physical inventory of a manufacturing facility and thought I might need it to cut tags, tape, ect. Once day I pulled it out to cut a zip tie off of a box. I quickly learned from the locals that my knife was illegal to carry as it's considered a concealed deadly weapon and if I got caught with it I would be in jail. My story is two fold. One, I'm an idiot for not knowing local laws..but seriously WTF, I can see a bowie knife but a folder!?!?!. I'm not sure where a leatherman tool would be categoried. Two, this is where the USA will end up. It will be incremental and events such as Sandy Hook will continue to happen with different weapons. Next thing will be knives over x inches and no swords. Beware the pointy sticks too.


I read this and thought WTF?... So I did some quick searching. Knife laws in Australia vary from territory to territory. It isn't illegal per se to carry a pocket knife, but you must have good cause to do so and self-defense isn't acceptable. And it isn't just knives, but any tool that could inflict harm. Most Aussies think the laws are ridiculous and are purely political. Many places refuse to enforce them. I cannot imagine that they could be enforced in the bush.
 
2012-12-19 02:16:10 PM

cryinoutloud: HBK: "America should change because I am afraid of guns."
The world's not going to change because you wet yourself at the idea of a gun or, heaven forbid, shotgun shells.

Everyone in the country is not going to arm themselves either, so that you tiny percentage of gun lovers can continue to have your love affair with lethal weapons. Because that's your solution, right---everyone should just be better armed. That's the one I keep hearing around here.

Well, I have several big pit bulls that sometimes get loose. When they get killed I get more, I just love my mean guard dogs. Tough shiat if you don't like it, it's my right to own dogs. Why don't you go get some big dogs of your own, so you can defend yourself from the pit bulls of the world? You aren't going to take MY rights away from ME.

/and that's how you all sound too--it's all about YOU and your precious toys.


The big difference is my gun isn't going to go out on it's own and savagely maul people, nor take multiple rounds to stop.
 
2012-12-19 02:16:45 PM

eastiowa: eastiowa: [farm8.staticflickr.com image 640x428]

I was thinking, "now that's a man's car". Then I spotted the Bud Light lime. FAIL

and the well groomed poodle.

You must be from Iowa City? Quad Cities?

Davenport.... thanks

[farm3.staticflickr.com image 556x640]


I actually did know that standard poodles are good retrievers. I was just teasing.

But people like myself that grew up in Bettendorf would never be caught drinking a Bud Light lime!
 
2012-12-19 02:17:06 PM
To be fair, Sideshow Bob was just getting back from his one man show called "The Man With The Plan" that he put on for himself and accidentally left all those assault weapons and body armor on his his person and then proceeded to panic once he realized what a fish out of water he was, what with being in a movie theatre with several assault weapons or what have you.
 
2012-12-19 02:17:41 PM
I think all this idiotic paranoia is great. The more cops keep busy with this stupid shiat the less they are available to monitor my various 'indiscretions' out in the real world.
 
2012-12-19 02:18:26 PM

HBK: durbnpoisn: HBK: durbnpoisn: Around here (NJ), if you get pulled over with a gun in your car in plain site, you are just asking to have your car taken apart and searched. Hell, I had that happen to me once because I had a plastic sword in my backseat.

You know that you should always refuse those searches.


Where I grew up, if you refused the search, they would make you sit there while they went and got a search warrant. And then they would search the car extra-special-like. In some cases, they would plant something. Point is, you dindn't F with the cops in my area.

They need probable cause to search the car. They need probable cause to obtain a search warrant. If what you're saying is true and the court was complicit in allowing illegal searches, then they violated the constitution and should be sued. Any competent attorney could get that search thrown out of court.

But it sounds more like an urban legend to me.



I'm sure you're probably right. Perhaps they were simply bluffing by threatening to get a warrant. But for the 5 minutes it takes for them to search the car, and since I had nothing to hide, I would just step aside and say, "have at it".

See, this is the thing... My older brother was well known by the cops because he was always in trouble. As a consequence for me, the cops all thought I was like him. So about 4 times a week I would get pulled over and hassled. Many times did I wonder when they were going to wake up and realize that I was never riding dirty.
 
HBK
2012-12-19 02:19:07 PM

cryinoutloud: Everyone in the country is not going to arm themselves either, so that you tiny percentage of gun lovers can continue to have your love affair with lethal weapons. Because that's your solution, right---everyone should just be better armed. That's the one I keep hearing around here.


Ah, you're a troll. Because 47% gun ownership is not a tiny percentage of the country.
 
2012-12-19 02:19:23 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: does anyone else feel like they are intentionally trying to dumb down the populous ... umm... more by expelling /suspending students willy-nilly for a more easily controlled populous?


Agreed 100%. Soon people won't even know the difference between "populous" and "populace."
 
2012-12-19 02:22:37 PM

I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros: HindiDiscoMonster: does anyone else feel like they are intentionally trying to dumb down the populous ... umm... more by expelling /suspending students willy-nilly for a more easily controlled populous?

Agreed 100%. Soon people won't even know the difference between "populous" and "populace."


Right. Populous was a computer game.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-12-19 02:23:31 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Now the school is a gun-free zone and there have been attempted gang rapes outside of the resource office door in front of a hundred kids. Only the DeMolay boys did anything about it.


In my middle school they explained to us that you should never, ever attempt to defend yourself and never, ever intervene. If you can't get away, cover your head and curl into a ball until help passes by. Run away if somebody else is getting hurt, find an authority figure.

Problem: I can't do that.

Nobody's ever been able to threaten me. I've had guys a lot bigger than me slam me into walls and doors and drive me into the floor and everything, and then giggled at them and walked away. Nobody's ever been able to hurt me, they tried, they failed, they can go fark themselves. I didn't really start fighting back until high school.

I can't walk away when somebody else is in danger. I wouldn't make it.

That's just the way it is. I don't know why, but it's always been embedded... I have to protect those who cannot protect themselves. People get hurt and killed so fast; I can't just run away and leave them defenseless.

And they tried to tell me that's wrong. What cowards call themselves men today?
 
2012-12-19 02:23:41 PM

JesseL: JesseL: Red_Fox: CJHardin: CSB

When I was in 10th grade I was in first period class and realized that I had 3 12 gauge shotgun shells in my pocket from waiting for a deer that morning at my place. I immediately went and discreetly told her my mistake. She nodded and I handed her the 3 shells where the other students could not see them. I went back to my desk. She left. About 5 minutes later I'm being taken out by the SRO and my vehicle is being searched. I ended up being suspended for 10 days from that stunt.

/CSB

Look I get it, you gun lovers don't think twice about there being a gun in your car or ammo in your pocket. It's not a big deal to you. That is no longer how your country is going to be and you'd better adjust to it or you're going to get in legal trouble. The general public is not going to support you anymore.

It may shock you, but despite all the noise you make most Americans don't agree with you.

Oh wait, you're Canadian. In that case just STFU. Nobody cares about you.


Yep. Stay nice and comfy in your echo chamber now...
 
2012-12-19 02:24:17 PM

JackieRabbit: crowbar032: For those with knife stories and those commenting on said knife stories, here's mine. I've carried a pocketknife since I was in middle school (I'm 36 now). A few years ago I traveled to Australia on a business trip. I packed my three blade folding pocket knife in my checked bag, the longest blade is 3 inches. I knew I would be taking a physical inventory of a manufacturing facility and thought I might need it to cut tags, tape, ect. Once day I pulled it out to cut a zip tie off of a box. I quickly learned from the locals that my knife was illegal to carry as it's considered a concealed deadly weapon and if I got caught with it I would be in jail. My story is two fold. One, I'm an idiot for not knowing local laws..but seriously WTF, I can see a bowie knife but a folder!?!?!. I'm not sure where a leatherman tool would be categoried. Two, this is where the USA will end up. It will be incremental and events such as Sandy Hook will continue to happen with different weapons. Next thing will be knives over x inches and no swords. Beware the pointy sticks too.

I read this and thought WTF?... So I did some quick searching. Knife laws in Australia vary from territory to territory. It isn't illegal per se to carry a pocket knife, but you must have good cause to do so and self-defense isn't acceptable. And it isn't just knives, but any tool that could inflict harm. Most Aussies think the laws are ridiculous and are purely political. Many places refuse to enforce them. I cannot imagine that they could be enforced in the bush.


I was in NSW, Sydney to be exact. I took the word of the locals and quit carrying it and didn't bring it with me on return trips. After that incindent, I noticed a sign in the utensil isle of the grocery store that said it was illegal to sell a kitchen knife to anyone under 16. Same with utility knives in hardware stores.
 
2012-12-19 02:24:31 PM

Red_Fox: CJHardin: CSB

 
When I was in 10th grade I was in first period class and realized that I had 3 12 gauge shotgun shells in my pocket from waiting for a deer that morning at my place. I immediately went and discreetly told her my mistake. She nodded and I handed her the 3 shells where the other students could not see them. I went back to my desk. She left. About 5 minutes later I'm being taken out by the SRO and my vehicle is being searched. I ended up being suspended for 10 days from that stunt.
 
/CSB
 
Look I get it, you gun lovers don't think twice about there being a gun in your car or ammo in your pocket. It's not a big deal to you. That is no longer how your country is going to be and you'd better adjust to it or you're going to get in legal trouble. The general public is not going to support you anymore.
 
 
Do you not support them? I farking support them. It's a goddamned crock of shiat. People doing the right thing and getting blasted for it. The only kind of person that thinks any of this is reasonable are the ninny beureacrats that pull this shiat off. We're letting the cogs run the show, and they're being a bunch of farking cogs.We don't need this shiat. We need personal responsibility. We need to take care of things at the lowest reasonable level. Where's the farking Committee on UnAmerican Activities when there's genuinely bullshiat around, and not just a bunch of wild assed worries about commies farking everything up.farking hell, you people, grow up and stop being a bunch of farking pansies.
 
2012-12-19 02:25:07 PM
Nice work, Kiddo. You just performed a lovely example of irresponsible firearm ownership. Gun Owners take note, it's dumbassery like this the anti-gun lobby clings to and uses in their efforts. Even then expulsion, while not overly severe, is simply inappropriate. Punish the kid properly: 2000 hours community service, focusing on caring for victims of violent acts and restricted from touching a firearm for five years. Maybe then he'll learn a lesson from not securing his weapons properly.
 
2012-12-19 02:26:09 PM

havocmike: I know it's all a matter of opinion, but hunting is kinda a farkin' stupid waste of time to begin with.


and farking isn't?
 
2012-12-19 02:27:21 PM

bluefoxicy:
That's just the way it is. I don't know why, but it's always been embedded... I have to protect those who cannot protect themselves. People get hurt and killed so fast; I can't just run away and leave them defenseless.

And they tried to tell me that's wrong. What cowards call themselves men today?


You make yourself out to be a hero, but it sounds to me as though you have self-control issues and a lack of sense of self-preservation.
 
HBK
2012-12-19 02:30:44 PM

cryinoutloud: Well, I have several big pit bulls that sometimes get loose. When they get killed I get more, I just love my mean guard dogs. Tough shiat if you don't like it, it's my right to own dogs. Why don't you go get some big dogs of your own, so you can defend yourself from the pit bulls of the world? You aren't going to take MY rights away from ME.

/and that's how you all sound too--it's all about YOU and your precious toys.


Although I've already explained that you're a troll, I do think its funny that you're afraid of both guns and dogs. You must not leave the house much.

And as far as your hypothetical goes, if your dogs tried to attack me or my dogs, I would just shoot your dogs with my gun. But, pit bulls generally wouldn't attack me, because I'm not afraid of them.
 
2012-12-19 02:31:09 PM

A Shambling Mound: No one had a problem with my swords, though. Odd since they where so specifically designed to kill people you can't even use them for anything else.


People can't outrun bullets. I know, you can kill someone easier with a sword than a gun; doesn't matter, they're more afraid of guns and of magical perfect-aim crack shots that can land a shot in their skull from 500 feet away from a $40 Beretta with bullets they got at WalMart. The guy with a rifle he bought at K-Mart, hiding in a building down the street, sniping people off in the parking lot. No escape; only death awaits.

/80 rounds fired, 6 dead, 9 injured
//1 sword 1 swing 1 decapitation
///I've seen people girls take wild boar with quarterstaves, folks take deer with knives, and Pakistanis have hunting swords for taking game
 
2012-12-19 02:33:20 PM

bluefoxicy:
///I've seen people girls take wild boar with quarterstaves


Those were buck-and-a-quarter quarterstaves, but they're not telling you that.
 
2012-12-19 02:33:59 PM

bluefoxicy: A Shambling Mound: No one had a problem with my swords, though. Odd since they where so specifically designed to kill people you can't even use them for anything else.

People can't outrun bullets. I know, you can kill someone easier with a sword than a gun; doesn't matter, they're more afraid of guns and of magical perfect-aim crack shots that can land a shot in their skull from 500 feet away from a $40 Beretta with bullets they got at WalMart. The guy with a rifle he bought at K-Mart, hiding in a building down the street, sniping people off in the parking lot. No escape; only death awaits.

/80 rounds fired, 6 dead, 9 injured
//1 sword 1 swing 1 decapitation
///I've seen people girls take wild boar with quarterstaves, folks take deer with knives, and Pakistanis have hunting swords for taking game


img2-2.timeinc.net
 
2012-12-19 02:35:16 PM

dericwater: Really guys? Do people have such a boner for deer hunting that they have to go shoot up a deer right after school? Can't wait to get home first and put away the schoolbooks and change to camo?

If you don't bring your physics book out when hunting, don't bring your guns to school either.


Can't hunt after dark. Basketball practice gets over at 4:30, sun goes down at 5:45. That doesn't leave much time for a trip home to change.
 
2012-12-19 02:36:14 PM

myrrh: You make yourself out to be a hero, but it sounds to me as though you have self-control issues and a lack of sense of self-preservation.


Yes, I have problems controlling myself when three people are beating the shiat out of a guy a third their size, or some folks are trying to gangrape a woman. Is that wrong?

Let's be honest: I punch really hard. I can work with that, there's got to be a legitimate strategy here.
 
2012-12-19 02:37:16 PM

eastiowa: [farm8.staticflickr.com image 640x428]


Christ, the real crime is the Bud Light Lime. You should go to PMITA prison for that. Ugh...
 
2012-12-19 02:38:22 PM
Also people, am I the only one here that prefers bows to guns? Guns are friggin' loud. I want a Gauss rifle for hunting, firing galvanized iron nails..
 
2012-12-19 02:38:23 PM

bluefoxicy: A Shambling Mound: No one had a problem with my swords, though. Odd since they where so specifically designed to kill people you can't even use them for anything else.

People can't outrun bullets. I know, you can kill someone easier with a sword than a gun; doesn't matter, they're more afraid of guns and of magical perfect-aim crack shots that can land a shot in their skull from 500 feet away from a $40 Beretta with bullets they got at WalMart. The guy with a rifle he bought at K-Mart, hiding in a building down the street, sniping people off in the parking lot. No escape; only death awaits.

/80 rounds fired, 6 dead, 9 injured
//1 sword 1 swing 1 decapitation
///I've seen people girls take wild boar with quarterstaves, folks take deer with knives, and Pakistanis have hunting swords for taking game


I've slept with a girl who did this first hand. Guess the state?
 
2012-12-19 02:38:28 PM
twimg0-a.akamaihd.net
 
2012-12-19 02:40:27 PM
I disagree with a criminal charge. Don't screw the kids life up because of a dumb mistake that resulted in zero harm to anyone. We want him to go to college, get a good job, and be a productive member of society. He doesn't deserve this albatross across his neck for the rest of his life.

I do agree with a suspension from school and a possible fine, however. It would provide a fine lesson for this young man.

If you own a gun, you do not have the luxury of being the least bit careless with it. Ever.
 
2012-12-19 02:40:34 PM

jayphat: I've slept with a girl who did this first hand. Guess the state?


Georgia or Alabama? I don't know. Was a girl I was talking to, she said she sometimes goes boar hunting, takes a big stick and when the boar comes at her she gets it underneath and flips it. Apparently they have a tough time getting off their backs, so she moves in quickly with a knife and slits the throat.

Insanity. Not as insane as guy dropping out of trees onto deer's back and reaching under to cut its throat, but still.
 
2012-12-19 02:40:35 PM

HBK: myrrh: HBK:
You know that you should always refuse those searches.

Uh ... gun in plain sight equals probable cause. No need for consent.

Regardless, refuse the shiat out of that. If they proceed without your consent, they would need to prove probable cause at trial. Simply having a gun in your car does not equal probable cause in my jurisdiction. Always refuse the searches. If the cop proceeds, the onus is on them to prove they had a reason to do so.


I smell marijuana. The perp swallowed it...
 
2012-12-19 02:41:30 PM

HBK: People sure have become a bunch of pussies when it comes to guns.

I'm all for increased mental health checks, and maybe capacity limits. I think most rational people on both sides of the argument would agree with this.

The gun-grabbers, who have been very vocal on Fark as of late, are just plain afraid of guns. I've never met someone who has been anti-gun who has ever handled or used a gun before.


I am leaning towards your basic bolt rifles and/or low capacity rifles with hand guns & shotguns leave as is.

High capacity (unsure at point it is high capacity) mandatory registration.

Open to a general firearms license (basic safety / laws class on firearms) for purchasing/carrying. Lots of discussion needed there.

However, gun control is something most likely best handled by the states. What works in new york is necessarily what is bed in california, wyoming, or minnesota.

/gun owner
//ccw holder
///occasionally carries (on/off duty- private security)
\slashies
 
2012-12-19 02:41:48 PM

Sybarite: It's funny but I was just talking to a friend last night who grew up in a very rural area and she was saying how many pickups in the parking lot would have guns in their racks during hunting season.


My husband says the same thing. There'd be announcemnets on the intercom every morning during hunting seaon telling everyone they need to leave their guns at home evenif they are going hunting after school.
 
2012-12-19 02:41:56 PM
Irresponsible gun owner is irresponsible. First, always put your weapon away after your trip. Second, clean your weapon. Part of being a responsible firearm owner is maintenance of your weapon. So double fail on his part.
 
2012-12-19 02:44:31 PM
Graduated in 1991. During hunting season most of the senior guys had their guns in the trucks in the gun rack. No one cared. Catholic School on the edge of the city but still in the city. None ever stolen and no one ever got in trouble or shot.
 
2012-12-19 02:44:45 PM

bluefoxicy: jayphat: I've slept with a girl who did this first hand. Guess the state?

Georgia or Alabama? I don't know. Was a girl I was talking to, she said she sometimes goes boar hunting, takes a big stick and when the boar comes at her she gets it underneath and flips it. Apparently they have a tough time getting off their backs, so she moves in quickly with a knife and slits the throat.

Insanity. Not as insane as guy dropping out of trees onto deer's back and reaching under to cut its throat, but still.


Texas. She also had a .308 she keeps in her car.
 
2012-12-19 02:49:05 PM

crowbar032: For those with knife stories and those commenting on said knife stories, here's mine. I've carried a pocketknife since I was in middle school (I'm 36 now). A few years ago I traveled to Australia on a business trip. I packed my three blade folding pocket knife in my checked bag, the longest blade is 3 inches. I knew I would be taking a physical inventory of a manufacturing facility and thought I might need it to cut tags, tape, ect. Once day I pulled it out to cut a zip tie off of a box. I quickly learned from the locals that my knife was illegal to carry as it's considered a concealed deadly weapon and if I got caught with it I would be in jail. My story is two fold. One, I'm an idiot for not knowing local laws..but seriously WTF, I can see a bowie knife but a folder!?!?!. I'm not sure where a leatherman tool would be categoried. Two, this is where the USA will end up. It will be incremental and events such as Sandy Hook will continue to happen with different weapons. Next thing will be knives over x inches and no swords. Beware the pointy sticks too.


Do you really believe that eventually that someone will be able to kill 20 or so people in a single moment with a sword (without extensive ninja, James Bond, Highlander, or Navy SEAL training)? That's the argument that makes no sense to me when it comes to arguing against gun laws; that if we abolish all laws the exact same event happens because the killer is clubbing people over the head with a legal-to-own toaster.

Sure, the attempted attacks will probably still happen, because people are crazy, but the body count with a pointy stick becomes insanely to match the efficiency of a gun, even in the hands of someone who is just slightly trained in using one.
 
2012-12-19 02:49:58 PM

JesseL: Richard Flaccid: eastiowa: [farm8.staticflickr.com image 640x428]

I was thinking, "now that's a man's car". Then I spotted the Bud Light lime. FAIL

Here you go. Nitrous tank, first-aid kit, ammo, rifles. 
[i100.photobucket.com image 640x480]


Not sure I'd leave the gun pointed at the NOS tank like that...
 
2012-12-19 02:50:35 PM

Sybarite: It's funny but I was just talking to a friend last night who grew up in a very rural area and she was saying how many pickups in the parking lot would have guns in their racks during hunting season.


We used to have to take 'em to the principal's office and rack 'em during deer season.

/That's so we wouldn't sneak away during lunch to hunt.
 
2012-12-19 02:51:15 PM
This is one of those times, the whole story fits into the headline. That's how easy this was to avoid.
 
2012-12-19 02:51:23 PM

Mr. Right: It wasn't too many years ago and there was a great hue and cry about school officials conducting searches of students' lockers.


Yeah, those days of privacy are long gone, and they're not coming back anytime soon. When I was in HS, the kids were required to bring their own Master combo lock. I guess if a school official really wanted to see what was in a locker, they'd have to cut the lock. Never happened.
 

Mr. Right: So how is it that in this case, school officials were conducting a sweep of privately owned vehicles that happened to be (we'll presume legally) parked on school property?


Evidently, the gun was in plain sight (on the seat or the floor). Dumbass teenager is a dumbass. He shouldn't have to pay for this for the rest of his life, though.
 
2012-12-19 02:52:53 PM

JesseL: Red_Fox: CJHardin: CSB

When I was in 10th grade I was in first period class and realized that I had 3 12 gauge shotgun shells in my pocket from waiting for a deer that morning at my place. I immediately went and discreetly told her my mistake. She nodded and I handed her the 3 shells where the other students could not see them. I went back to my desk. She left. About 5 minutes later I'm being taken out by the SRO and my vehicle is being searched. I ended up being suspended for 10 days from that stunt.

/CSB

Look I get it, you gun lovers don't think twice about there being a gun in your car or ammo in your pocket. It's not a big deal to you. That is no longer how your country is going to be and you'd better adjust to it or you're going to get in legal trouble. The general public is not going to support you anymore.

It may shock you, but despite all the noise you make most Americans don't agree with you.


I 2nd this.

/Will keep and bear arms.
 
2012-12-19 02:53:08 PM

Mark Ratner: BigSnatch: In the video, the reporter said that the shotgun and knife were in plain sight of the police officers as they swept the parking lot. She also said that the penalty for having weapons on school property is expulsion.

My fault for not watching the video. Yep, he deserves whatever punishment he gets, although expulsion does seem too harsh if he's otherwise been a good kid.


Expulsion seems perfectly reasonable in this case. In other schools/states he would have been arrested and charged with some pretty serious crimes, which truly is a case of zero tolerance run amock
 
2012-12-19 02:53:38 PM

SnarfVader: Sybarite: It's funny but I was just talking to a friend last night who grew up in a very rural area and she was saying how many pickups in the parking lot would have guns in their racks during hunting season.
 
 
That's true. Where I went to high school we would have our guns in our rear window gun racks so we could go hunting immediately after school. Deer hunting season was almost like Christmas vacation around there. Not a lot of work got done that week.
 
Times are different now, plus I live in a suburban area. I doubt kids would get away with that in even the most rural settings these days.


We used to put our shotguns in our lockers during hunting season. You brought in a case and go straight to the field after class.
 
2012-12-19 02:55:39 PM

serial_crusher: On one hand, I want to say "zero tolerance OMG WHARGARBL!"
But on the other hand, I want to say "hey dumbshiat, if you can't put your gun up when you're done with it, maybe you shouldn't have one?"


At the very least it is less likely to be stolen out of your home!
 
2012-12-19 02:56:36 PM

bluefoxicy: 1 sword 1 swing 1 decapitation


great, so now I'm required to walk around with a gun and a sword.
 
2012-12-19 02:58:48 PM

DORMAMU: HBK: People sure have become a bunch of pussies when it comes to guns.

I'm all for increased mental health checks, and maybe capacity limits. I think most rational people on both sides of the argument would agree with this.

The gun-grabbers, who have been very vocal on Fark as of late, are just plain afraid of guns. I've never met someone who has been anti-gun who has ever handled or used a gun before.

I am leaning towards your basic bolt rifles and/or low capacity rifles with hand guns & shotguns leave as is.

High capacity (unsure at point it is high capacity) mandatory registration.

Open to a general firearms license (basic safety / laws class on firearms) for purchasing/carrying. Lots of discussion needed there.

However, gun control is something most likely best handled by the states. What works in new york is necessarily what is bed in california, wyoming, or minnesota.

/gun owner
//ccw holder
///occasionally carries (on/off duty- private security)
\slashies


Your comment shows that there is a possibility for rational dialog on gun control and plenty of room for compromise. I think we do need some overreaching federal regulations, but with per-state adjustments and primary enforcement (this is a federal republic after all). No rational citizen can claim the need for an AR-15 with 100 round magazines. He may want one, but he doesn't need it. If he really thinks he needs it, maybe we should reconsider allowing him to own any weapon. So I see no problem with banning functional assault weapons. But to suggest that we ban hunting and sporting weapons or even low capacity handguns is just never going get anyone anywhere.
 
2012-12-19 03:00:39 PM

HoityToity: I disagree with a criminal charge. Don't screw the kids life up because of a dumb mistake that resulted in zero harm to anyone. We want him to go to college, get a good job, and be a productive member of society. He doesn't deserve this albatross across his neck for the rest of his life.

I do agree with a suspension from school and a possible fine, however. It would provide a fine lesson for this young man.

If you own a gun, you do not have the luxury of being the least bit careless with it. Ever.


Yeah, it's not a car.
 
2012-12-19 03:04:42 PM

DORMAMU: HBK: People sure have become a bunch of pussies when it comes to guns.

I'm all for increased mental health checks, and maybe capacity limits. I think most rational people on both sides of the argument would agree with this.

The gun-grabbers, who have been very vocal on Fark as of late, are just plain afraid of guns. I've never met someone who has been anti-gun who has ever handled or used a gun before.

I am leaning towards your basic bolt rifles and/or low capacity rifles with hand guns & shotguns leave as is.

High capacity (unsure at point it is high capacity) mandatory registration.

Open to a general firearms license (basic safety / laws class on firearms) for purchasing/carrying. Lots of discussion needed there.

However, gun control is something most likely best handled by the states. What works in new york is necessarily what is bed in california, wyoming, or minnesota.

/gun owner
//ccw holder
///occasionally carries (on/off duty- private security)
\slashies


Is NOT necessarily

/farkin damnjt
 
2012-12-19 03:08:25 PM

PsyLord: Irresponsible gun owner is irresponsible. First, always put your weapon away after your trip. Second, clean your weapon. Part of being a responsible firearm owner is maintenance of your weapon. So double fail on his part.


If you put it away first then how do you clean it?
 
2012-12-19 03:08:30 PM
 
2012-12-19 03:13:29 PM

Giltric: Could have been worse...


could have been a stick figure drawing.


I used to draw elaborate stick-figure underground bunkers with all manner of stick figures shooting each other, running around, tossing grenades, and being dead and blown up. My teachers thought nothing of it. Of course, that was back in the 1970s. I do have to admit, however, that I did become a delinquent as an adult. I mean, one time, in the 1990s, I got ticket for letting my insurance expire. I blame my teachers in grade school for not seeing that my stick figure battle drawings were a desperate cry for help.
 
2012-12-19 03:17:49 PM
good thing it was only a shotgun and a knife. Easier to explain your wy out...God forbid if they'd found an AK-47 or an AR-15 with a 100 round drum.
 
2012-12-19 03:19:39 PM

HBK: Several kids at my high school would wake up around 4am, go hunting, then come to school. Hell, in the 80s my school used to let kids who were in the trap/skeet club bring their guns in to school so they wouldn't have to leave them in their cars to get stolen.

The outrage here is pants on head retarded.


Yeah my principal has a gun safe in his office and the run was "bring your gun in and give it to me so no one breaks into your car and steals it". It was normal back then to see a couple kids bringing shotguns or rifles in.
 
2012-12-19 03:20:08 PM

eastiowa: [farm8.staticflickr.com image 640x428]


Bud light LIME????

REALLY??? How about some PBR or Falstaff or Carling Black Label or even Natural Light... but Bud Light LIME??? Are you some kind of secret Mexican Communist or something?
 
2012-12-19 03:25:17 PM
We had a guy in our unit forget to take his guns out of his car and it got randomly inspected. They ask if he has any guns or anything and he says nope. They find it and OMG you would have thought he was a terrorist. Paperwork was given that day. Look if you own guns, fine PUT THEM AWAY after you are done using it.
 
2012-12-19 03:25:22 PM

JackieRabbit: DORMAMU: HBK: People sure have become a bunch of pussies when it comes to guns.

I'm all for increased mental health checks, and maybe capacity limits. I think most rational people on both sides of the argument would agree with this.

The gun-grabbers, who have been very vocal on Fark as of late, are just plain afraid of guns. I've never met someone who has been anti-gun who has ever handled or used a gun before.

I am leaning towards your basic bolt rifles and/or low capacity rifles with hand guns & shotguns leave as is.

High capacity (unsure at point it is high capacity) mandatory registration.

Open to a general firearms license (basic safety / laws class on firearms) for purchasing/carrying. Lots of discussion needed there.

However, gun control is something most likely best handled by the states. What works in new york is necessarily what is bed in california, wyoming, or minnesota.

/gun owner
//ccw holder
///occasionally carries (on/off duty- private security)
\slashies

Your comment shows that there is a possibility for rational dialog on gun control and plenty of room for compromise. I think we do need some overreaching federal regulations, but with per-state adjustments and primary enforcement (this is a federal republic after all). No rational citizen can claim the need for an AR-15 with 100 round magazines. He may want one, but he doesn't need it. If he really thinks he needs it, maybe we should reconsider allowing him to own any weapon. So I see no problem with banning functional assault weapons. But to suggest that we ban hunting and sporting weapons or even low capacity handguns is just never going get anyone anywhere.


I have no issue with the 100 round ar15 drum. Just make him/her register it and/or permit. Something similar to many states concealed carry permits. Or like you can get a federal gun collector's license and have full automatics (uncle had one, his collection was very thorough).

Historically, those who go through above processes have a finitesimal criminal activity rate, partially because not all qualify.

Curious - how do you personally define "an assault weapon?" I ask because many ar15 rifled with the before 100rnd drum didnt qualify as such under the federal assault weapons ban.

My wilingness to compromise a rationally discuss gun control is partially contigent on mental health discussion as well. It needs to be addressed (not sure how) cause it is a very large part of the mas shooting phenomena.

Also, media sensationalism (interviewing a 1st grader whose friends were just killeda a few hours ago) for a couple ratings point. This is also the public's fault since we eat it up.

Fear mongering (both directions/sides) over firearms is also a contributing. (Small) factor . This goes hand in hand with the mental health issue & media issue combined. Those mentally unstable (decide to?) seek a way to invoke fear and garner a sense of power/importance. They are also bombarded by the media with the derp from both extremes anytime an incident happens. "Guns are only for kiling other humans, you are scared shiatless of guns, your need a gun to feel complete/safe, etc." For someone who is scared, not fully logical and feeling incomplete, how do you think they react to that input? Personally, I feel this is a large contributing factor to the increased number if incidents the past decade+.

Your thoughts? Anyone else?
 
2012-12-19 03:26:17 PM

Citrate1007: Parents were sent an automated phone alert.


This...
 
2012-12-19 03:27:39 PM

HBK: cryinoutloud: Everyone in the country is not going to arm themselves either, so that you tiny percentage of gun lovers can continue to have your love affair with lethal weapons. Because that's your solution, right---everyone should just be better armed. That's the one I keep hearing around here.

Ah, you're a troll. Because 47% gun ownership is not a tiny percentage of the country.


Troll? Nah. Probably just too damned stupid to google some facts before spouting off.
 
2012-12-19 03:28:14 PM

I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros: bluefoxicy:
///I've seen people girls take wild boar with quarterstaves

Those were buck-and-a-quarter quarterstaves, but they're not telling you that.


i.imgur.com

/yoiks
//and away
 
2012-12-19 03:31:57 PM

jonjr215: EnviroDude: At least it wasn't a pocket knife in a survival kit locked in the trunk of a car


So let me get this straight.  A kid, no...a Boy Scout no doubt, has a two-inch pocket knife locked in the trunk of his car ina survival kit and gets suspended?  C'mon.  I know everyone is shaken up over what happened last week, and I know there is a "zero tolerance" policy.  But for Christ's sake...where's the voice of reason?


Zero Tolerance = We don't have to do situation to situation evaluation. Nope, no more thinking, no more using best judgment, we'll just throw it all under the same bus.
Good, Bad, you're the one with a gun or gun related item.
Out the door you go.
 
2012-12-19 03:32:15 PM

DORMAMU: JackieRabbit: DORMAMU: HBK: People sure have become a bunch of pussies when it comes to guns.

I'm all for increased mental health checks, and maybe capacity limits. I think most rational people on both sides of the argument would agree with this.

The gun-grabbers, who have been very vocal on Fark as of late, are just plain afraid of guns. I've never met someone who has been anti-gun who has ever handled or used a gun before.

I am leaning towards your basic bolt rifles and/or low capacity rifles with hand guns & shotguns leave as is.

High capacity (unsure at point it is high capacity) mandatory registration.

Open to a general firearms license (basic safety / laws class on firearms) for purchasing/carrying. Lots of discussion needed there.

However, gun control is something most likely best handled by the states. What works in new york is necessarily what is bed in california, wyoming, or minnesota.

/gun owner
//ccw holder
///occasionally carries (on/off duty- private security)
\slashies

Your comment shows that there is a possibility for rational dialog on gun control and plenty of room for compromise. I think we do need some overreaching federal regulations, but with per-state adjustments and primary enforcement (this is a federal republic after all). No rational citizen can claim the need for an AR-15 with 100 round magazines. He may want one, but he doesn't need it. If he really thinks he needs it, maybe we should reconsider allowing him to own any weapon. So I see no problem with banning functional assault weapons. But to suggest that we ban hunting and sporting weapons or even low capacity handguns is just never going get anyone anywhere.

I have no issue with the 100 round ar15 drum. Just make him/her register it and/or permit. Something similar to many states concealed carry permits. Or like you can get a federal gun collector's license and have full automatics (uncle had one, his collection was very thorough).

Historically, those who go th ...


The way you write scares me. Ban!
 
2012-12-19 03:35:25 PM

Sybarite: It's funny but I was just talking to a friend last night who grew up in a very rural area and she was saying how many pickups in the parking lot would have guns in their racks during hunting season.



At my old high school, teachers and students would compare hunting rifles (and bows) in the school parking lot during hunting season.  No school shootings or knifings even though most of us had swiss army knives.  They were just tools nothing more.
 
// learned to flip a butterfly knife in school - got pretty good
 
2012-12-19 03:38:10 PM
Let the knee jerk overreactions Commence
 
2012-12-19 03:42:01 PM

StoPPeRmobile: DORMAMU: JackieRabbit: DORMAMU: HBK: People sure have become a bunch of pussies when it comes to guns.

I'm all for increased mental health checks, and maybe capacity limits. I think most rational people on both sides of the argument would agree with this.

The gun-grabbers, who have been very vocal on Fark as of late, are just plain afraid of guns. I've never met someone who has been anti-gun who has ever handled or used a gun before.

I am leaning towards your basic bolt rifles and/or low capacity rifles with hand guns & shotguns leave as is.

High capacity (unsure at point it is high capacity) mandatory registration.

Open to a general firearms license (basic safety / laws class on firearms) for purchasing/carrying. Lots of discussion needed there.

However, gun control is something most likely best handled by the states. What works in new york is necessarily what is bed in california, wyoming, or minnesota.

/gun owner
//ccw holder
///occasionally carries (on/off duty- private security)
\slashies

Your comment shows that there is a possibility for rational dialog on gun control and plenty of room for compromise. I think we do need some overreaching federal regulations, but with per-state adjustments and primary enforcement (this is a federal republic after all). No rational citizen can claim the need for an AR-15 with 100 round magazines. He may want one, but he doesn't need it. If he really thinks he needs it, maybe we should reconsider allowing him to own any weapon. So I see no problem with banning functional assault weapons. But to suggest that we ban hunting and sporting weapons or even low capacity handguns is just never going get anyone anywhere.

I have no issue with the 100 round ar15 drum. Just make him/her register it and/or permit. Something similar to many states concealed carry permits. Or like you can get a federal gun collector's license and have full automatics (uncle had one, his collection was very thorough).

Historically, those who go th ...

The way you write scares me. Ban!


The fact I am trying to be rational? Or I am typibg on mobile?
 
2012-12-19 03:43:06 PM

DORMAMU: JackieRabbit: DORMAMU: HBK: People sure have become a bunch of pussies when it comes to guns.

I'm all for increased mental health checks, and maybe capacity limits. I think most rational people on both sides of the argument would agree with this.

The gun-grabbers, who have been very vocal on Fark as of late, are just plain afraid of guns. I've never met someone who has been anti-gun who has ever handled or used a gun before.

I am leaning towards your basic bolt rifles and/or low capacity rifles with hand guns & shotguns leave as is.

High capacity (unsure at point it is high capacity) mandatory registration.

Open to a general firearms license (basic safety / laws class on firearms) for purchasing/carrying. Lots of discussion needed there.

However, gun control is something most likely best handled by the states. What works in new york is necessarily what is bed in california, wyoming, or minnesota.

/gun owner
//ccw holder
///occasionally carries (on/off duty- private security)
\slashies

Your comment shows that there is a possibility for rational dialog on gun control and plenty of room for compromise. I think we do need some overreaching federal regulations, but with per-state adjustments and primary enforcement (this is a federal republic after all). No rational citizen can claim the need for an AR-15 with 100 round magazines. He may want one, but he doesn't need it. If he really thinks he needs it, maybe we should reconsider allowing him to own any weapon. So I see no problem with banning functional assault weapons. But to suggest that we ban hunting and sporting weapons or even low capacity handguns is just never going get anyone anywhere.

I have no issue with the 100 round ar15 drum. Just make him/her register it and/or permit. Something similar to many states concealed carry permits. Or like you can get a federal gun collector's license and have full automatics (uncle had one, his collection was very thorough).

Historically, those who go th ...


You are still being very reasonable. Let's hope our politicians follow your example and not just get all knee-jerky like they usually do. I don't know what the definition of a assault weapon should be. A formal definition is a high-capacity, rapid-firing weapon designed for military application. I'm not an expert, so I defer to them. The AR-15 is the civilian version of the M16, and is a weapon designed to kill people and do it fast. It has a relatively high firing rate and muzzle velocity and long effective range. I know a lot of gun aficionados poo-poo it, but it's a deadly weapon. I wouldn't want be shot with one! :) I'd say that it could be classified as an assault weapon. But should it be? I just don't know.
 
2012-12-19 03:46:35 PM

Warlordtrooper: Let the knee jerk overreactions Commence


Commence? We've nearly reached the point where knee-jerking becomes pro-active.
 
2012-12-19 03:48:11 PM

DORMAMU: StoPPeRmobile: DORMAMU: JackieRabbit: DORMAMU: HBK: People sure have become a bunch of pussies when it comes to guns.

I'm all for increased mental health checks, and maybe capacity limits. I think most rational people on both sides of the argument would agree with this.

The gun-grabbers, who have been very vocal on Fark as of late, are just plain afraid of guns. I've never met someone who has been anti-gun who has ever handled or used a gun before.

I am leaning towards your basic bolt rifles and/or low capacity rifles with hand guns & shotguns leave as is.

High capacity (unsure at point it is high capacity) mandatory registration.

Open to a general firearms license (basic safety / laws class on firearms) for purchasing/carrying. Lots of discussion needed there.

However, gun control is something most likely best handled by the states. What works in new york is necessarily what is bed in california, wyoming, or minnesota.

/gun owner
//ccw holder
///occasionally carries (on/off duty- private security)
\slashies

Your comment shows that there is a possibility for rational dialog on gun control and plenty of room for compromise. I think we do need some overreaching federal regulations, but with per-state adjustments and primary enforcement (this is a federal republic after all). No rational citizen can claim the need for an AR-15 with 100 round magazines. He may want one, but he doesn't need it. If he really thinks he needs it, maybe we should reconsider allowing him to own any weapon. So I see no problem with banning functional assault weapons. But to suggest that we ban hunting and sporting weapons or even low capacity handguns is just never going get anyone anywhere.

I have no issue with the 100 round ar15 drum. Just make him/her register it and/or permit. Something similar to many states concealed carry permits. Or like you can get a federal gun collector's license and have full automatics (uncle had one, his collection was very thorough).

Histo ...


The way you write is a window into your psyche.
 
2012-12-19 03:50:12 PM

Anderson's Pooper: dericwater: Really guys? Do people have such a boner for deer hunting that they have to go shoot up a deer right after school? Can't wait to get home first and put away the schoolbooks and change to camo?

If you don't bring your physics book out when hunting, don't bring your guns to school either.

Can't hunt after dark. Basketball practice gets over at 4:30, sun goes down at 5:45. That doesn't leave much time for a trip home to change.


Then farkin' go hunt on the weekend. Think those deers go out of the neighborhood on weekends?
 
2012-12-19 03:52:01 PM

dericwater: Anderson's Pooper: dericwater: Really guys? Do people have such a boner for deer hunting that they have to go shoot up a deer right after school? Can't wait to get home first and put away the schoolbooks and change to camo?

If you don't bring your physics book out when hunting, don't bring your guns to school either.

Can't hunt after dark. Basketball practice gets over at 4:30, sun goes down at 5:45. That doesn't leave much time for a trip home to change.

Then farkin' go hunt on the weekend. Think those deers go out of the neighborhood on weekends?


Don't bother with this tool. He doesn't understand.
 
2012-12-19 03:52:56 PM
I've never understood the fascination with hunting. As a means to supply food, sure, but as a sport, not so much. The fact that people would have to lock up their guns so that they didn't sneak out to go hunting is just a little odd to me.
Can someone explain why waiting for hours for a deer to come by just so you can shoot it is enjoyable or sporting?
 
2012-12-19 03:54:00 PM
I love the intense outrage coming from gun owners that they should receive any form of punishment for an act of irresponsibility.

Of course, these are the same people that will talk endlessly about how adept with the weapon they are, how safe they are and how any potential fear we have is unfounded and "the other guy."

Just suck it up guys. One of you screwed up and he will pay the price for it. It sucks but it isn't you. The best PR you can have right now is to stand up and agree that punishing his stupidity is the correct thing to do.

Oh and hang on to your guns. Were coming for them.
 
2012-12-19 03:55:06 PM
Hey dumb-arses...this guy and the laws you already have against his mistake won't stop crazy from shooting up the place. But pass more laws if it makes you feel better. Because making you feel better is what really matters.
 
2012-12-19 03:56:32 PM

Skarekrough: I love the intense outrage coming from gun owners that they should receive any form of punishment for an act of irresponsibility.

Of course, these are the same people that will talk endlessly about how adept with the weapon they are, how safe they are and how any potential fear we have is unfounded and "the other guy."

Just suck it up guys. One of you screwed up and he will pay the price for it. It sucks but it isn't you. The best PR you can have right now is to stand up and agree that punishing his stupidity is the correct thing to do.

Oh and hang on to your guns. Were coming for them.


Gun owner here. See my earlier post.
 
2012-12-19 04:04:04 PM

greenboy: I've never understood the fascination with hunting. As a means to supply food, sure, but as a sport, not so much. The fact that people would have to lock up their guns so that they didn't sneak out to go hunting is just a little odd to me.
Can someone explain why waiting for hours for a deer to come by just so you can shoot it is enjoyable or sporting?


Respect. 
www.groceryheadquarters.com
 
2012-12-19 04:04:14 PM
This happened to a kid in our school once, he had a few stray shells in his gym bag.

Currently has an NRA as his facebook cover photo.
 
2012-12-19 04:04:22 PM

StoPPeRmobile: DORMAMU: StoPPeRmobile: DORMAMU: JackieRabbit: DORMAMU: HBK: People sure have become a bunch of pussies when it comes to guns.

I'm all for increased mental health checks, and maybe capacity limits. I think most rational people on both sides of the argument would agree with this.

The gun-grabbers, who have been very vocal on Fark as of late, are just plain afraid of guns. I've never met someone who has been anti-gun who has ever handled or used a gun before.

I am leaning towards your basic bolt rifles and/or low capacity rifles with hand guns & shotguns leave as is.

High capacity (unsure at point it is high capacity) mandatory registration.

Open to a general firearms license (basic safety / laws class on firearms) for purchasing/carrying. Lots of discussion needed there.

However, gun control is something most likely best handled by the states. What works in new york is necessarily what is bed in california, wyoming, or minnesota.

/gun owner
//ccw holder
///occasionally carries (on/off duty- private security)
\slashies

Your comment shows that there is a possibility for rational dialog on gun control and plenty of room for compromise. I think we do need some overreaching federal regulations, but with per-state adjustments and primary enforcement (this is a federal republic after all). No rational citizen can claim the need for an AR-15 with 100 round magazines. He may want one, but he doesn't need it. If he really thinks he needs it, maybe we should reconsider allowing him to own any weapon. So I see no problem with banning functional assault weapons. But to suggest that we ban hunting and sporting weapons or even low capacity handguns is just never going get anyone anywhere.

I have no issue with the 100 round ar15 drum. Just make him/her register it and/or permit. Something similar to many states concealed carry permits. Or like you can get a federal gun collector's license and have full automatics (uncle had one, his collection was very thorough).

Histo ...

The way you write is a window into your psyche.


If you have piered into that windiw, all hope is lost for you now.

Embrace your fate.
 
2012-12-19 04:05:12 PM
What? Am i late for class?


i.telegraph.co.uk
 
HBK
2012-12-19 04:06:01 PM

greenboy: I've never understood the fascination with hunting. As a means to supply food, sure, but as a sport, not so much. The fact that people would have to lock up their guns so that they didn't sneak out to go hunting is just a little odd to me.
Can someone explain why waiting for hours for a deer to come by just so you can shoot it is enjoyable or sporting?


I've never been hunting, but I always figured it was the same draw as fishing. A means to get out of the house, enjoy nature, and to spend time with your friends/family.
 
2012-12-19 04:07:15 PM
CSB

I was at a gun range with my wife a few months ago, and the guy at the table next to us had a whole arsenal of guns. There was a young boy (~10ish?) with him, I'm guessing was his son. I'm all about teaching kids proper use of firearms, but the kid was firing some type of automatic rifle. He couldn't hold it on his own, and had the magazine propped on the table. It did not look stable or safe at all.
 
2012-12-19 04:07:44 PM
Zero tolerance torques me off. Three weeks ago, my 13 year old son started a new charter school (don't particularly like them, but the public here had circumstances where he wouldn't get credit for the previous grading periods; this was intended as a short term solution). His first day there, he talked at lunch with three Seniors about COD3. Somehow this got reported to the principal as him threatening to bring a gun to school. She called my son a terrorist, talked about Columbine (which uh, is his date of birth). He was suspended and we had to get a lawyer to prevent him being expelled. I am worried how this is going to affect his future (having a suspension for "making a terroristic threat" on his permanent record). I have so much hate for that idiot principal right now. Welcome to Texas, when physically having a gun isn't even required for expulsion.
 
2012-12-19 04:09:15 PM

Giltric: Could have been worse...


could have been a stick figure drawing.


or a Finger


and yall keep voting Democrat...
 
2012-12-19 04:10:32 PM

DORMAMU: Fear mongering (both directions/sides) over firearms is also a contributing. (Small) factor . This goes hand in hand with the mental health issue & media issue combined.


I think the effect of our mental heath failures are greatly underestimated.

What we're probably seeing is the sum total of trying to first ignore a problem and then trying to drug it away.

What's going to happen is a bunch of security theater by panicky bureaucrats who can't even balance a budget. It will be followed by the ATF screwing up and killing some people by accident, then a few years of silence before the next wave of incidents happens.

The gun control route causes a rush to buy guns just as the prohibition route caused a massive black market for alcohol and drugs.
If we don't get back to dealing with the head cases while the're small, we're going to remain trapped in this cycle.

/and I'd prefer to cut the next Bath schoolhouse tragedy off at the root.
/Because the internet is going to teach those violent little farkwits how to make IED's if their matrix fantasies are no longer fashionable.
 
2012-12-19 04:13:16 PM

Phoenix87ta: TheGreatGazoo: My high school had a gun range in the basement with a rifle team.

I've heard they had to switch to air softs.

I know someone with a concealed carry permit who just about had a hole shot in the floor of his truck when the cop picked it up during a traffic stop. He had to walk the cop through how to hold the gun (get your finger off the trigger stupid), and how to unload it.

That's pretty horrifying. I don't even LIKE guns, and I know the safety rules for them. How does a cop not know these things?


It's easy to have uninformed cops when you're telling second-hand stories to prove some made-up point about gun owners being paragons of careful while those silly cops being clueless, meaning you need to carry a gun everywhere.
 
2012-12-19 04:15:18 PM

JackieRabbit: Red_Fox: CJHardin: CSB

When I was in 10th grade I was in first period class and realized that I had 3 12 gauge shotgun shells in my pocket from waiting for a deer that morning at my place. I immediately went and discreetly told her my mistake. She nodded and I handed her the 3 shells where the other students could not see them. I went back to my desk. She left. About 5 minutes later I'm being taken out by the SRO and my vehicle is being searched. I ended up being suspended for 10 days from that stunt.

/CSB

Look I get it, you gun lovers don't think twice about there being a gun in your car or ammo in your pocket. It's not a big deal to you. That is no longer how your country is going to be and you'd better adjust to it or you're going to get in legal trouble. The general public is not going to support you anymore.

I'm not a gun lover. Don't even own one any more (well, I think my shotgun and .22 rifle may still be in my parent's attic). But you need to stop and think about WHY our country has become so dangerous and strange. We've always had guns and we've always had people who kill other people with them. But we never had high school kids killing their classmates, or Sideshow Bobs shooting up a movie theater, or some upscale holocaust prepper's strange emo spawn killing 20 six year olds with an assault weapon. What changed over the last 30 years? Guns are not the real issue. The real issue is how we got so farked up so fast.


We are not any more farked up now than in any other point in time.

The largest school massacre in the country happened in 1927, when a guy dynamited an elementary school and killed 45 people (38 of them children).

It's just that there weren't three 24 hour news networks and the farking internet around in 1927.

Violent crime is down significantly over the last 20 years or so.
 
2012-12-19 04:16:31 PM

serial_crusher: On one hand, I want to say "zero tolerance OMG WHARGARBL!"
But on the other hand, I want to say "hey dumbshiat, if you can't put your gun up when you're done with it, maybe you shouldn't have one?"


Done in one.
 
2012-12-19 04:17:28 PM

HoityToity: Skarekrough: I love the intense outrage coming from gun owners that they should receive any form of punishment for an act of irresponsibility.

Of course, these are the same people that will talk endlessly about how adept with the weapon they are, how safe they are and how any potential fear we have is unfounded and "the other guy."

Just suck it up guys. One of you screwed up and he will pay the price for it. It sucks but it isn't you. The best PR you can have right now is to stand up and agree that punishing his stupidity is the correct thing to do.

Oh and hang on to your guns. Were coming for them.

Gun owner here. See my earlier post.


It's a well worded and eloquently stated position.

However in wake of what happened the screaming need to be mindful to the point of near over-cautiousness doesn't seem unreasonable.

Let him off now then he ends up in an apartment in college. It's a rough part of town and for protection he gets a handgun which he manages to not secure properly. The apartment gets broken into and they steal his laptop, XBox, flat screen and the handgun. Now we've got another firearm out on the street.

Sorry, this stuff is WAY too important to let go. The only way I think he should be given any leniency is if he voluntarily gives up the right to possess a firearm for the rest of his life.
 
2012-12-19 04:19:12 PM

crowbar032: For those with knife stories and those commenting on said knife stories, here's mine. I've carried a pocketknife since I was in middle school (I'm 36 now). A few years ago I traveled to Australia on a business trip. I packed my three blade folding pocket knife in my checked bag, the longest blade is 3 inches. I knew I would be taking a physical inventory of a manufacturing facility and thought I might need it to cut tags, tape, ect. Once day I pulled it out to cut a zip tie off of a box. I quickly learned from the locals that my knife was illegal to carry as it's considered a concealed deadly weapon and if I got caught with it I would be in jail. My story is two fold. One, I'm an idiot for not knowing local laws..but seriously WTF, I can see a bowie knife but a folder!?!?!. I'm not sure where a leatherman tool would be categoried. Two, this is where the USA will end up. It will be incremental and events such as Sandy Hook will continue to happen with different weapons. Next thing will be knives over x inches and no swords. Beware the pointy sticks too.


Nah, Second Amendment will stop that.

In fact, the current attempt to ban large capacity clips and "assault weapons" (whatever those are) will fail, because they are common civilian weapons, and the Supremes said you can't ban such. Knifes obviously qualify, too.
 
2012-12-19 04:20:30 PM

Thunderpipes: Stay classy, libs!

Just going to get worse from here on out, because liberals refuse to use common sense.

And yes, growing up in a rural town in the late 70's early 80s, during deer season there were plenty of rifles in gun racks in pickups. Weird how there was no problems, huh?


It isn't the libs who freak out about this. The 'Libs' will say 'Simple mistake, carry on'. The ignorant, drooling helicopter parents and law enforcement over-reaction monkeys will be the ones making a big deal about this.

You're confused.
 
2012-12-19 04:21:21 PM
Speaking of kneejerk reactions, I just submitted a story from my hometown about a 10 yr old boy who found an unloaded handgun on his way to school and put it in his backpack.  Apparently, he had never saw a gun before and maybe thought it would be cool to show off to his friends or something.  Stupid move for sure but the response is even better.  Suspension/Expulsion is the least of his concerns.  The police are charging him with a crime.  A felony I believe (Conveying a deadly weapon).  Remember, this is a 10 yr old boy we are talking about.
 
2012-12-19 04:24:45 PM

JackieRabbit: DORMAMU: JackieRabbit: DORMAMU: HBK: People sure have become a bunch of pussies when it comes to guns.

I'm all for increased mental health checks, and maybe capacity limits. I think most rational people on both sides of the argument would agree with this.

The gun-grabbers, who have been very vocal on Fark as of late, are just plain afraid of guns. I've never met someone who has been anti-gun who has ever handled or used a gun before.

I am leaning towards your basic bolt rifles and/or low capacity rifles with hand guns & shotguns leave as is.

High capacity (unsure at point it is high capacity) mandatory registration.

Open to a general firearms license (basic safety / laws class on firearms) for purchasing/carrying. Lots of discussion needed there.

However, gun control is something most likely best handled by the states. What works in new york is necessarily what is bed in california, wyoming, or minnesota.

/gun owner
//ccw holder
///occasionally carries (on/off duty- private security)
\slashies

Your comment shows that there is a possibility for rational dialog on gun control and plenty of room for compromise. I think we do need some overreaching federal regulations, but with per-state adjustments and primary enforcement (this is a federal republic after all). No rational citizen can claim the need for an AR-15 with 100 round magazines. He may want one, but he doesn't need it. If he really thinks he needs it, maybe we should reconsider allowing him to own any weapon. So I see no problem with banning functional assault weapons. But to suggest that we ban hunting and sporting weapons or even low capacity handguns is just never going get anyone anywhere.

I have no issue with the 100 round ar15 drum. Just make him/her register it and/or permit. Something similar to many states concealed carry permits. Or like you can get a federal gun collector's license and have full automatics (uncle had one, his collection was very thorough).

Historically, those who go th ...

You are still being very reasonable. Let's hope our politicians follow your example and not just get all knee-jerky like they usually do. I don't know what the definition of a assault weapon should be. A formal definition is a high-capacity, rapid-firing weapon designed for military application. I'm not an expert, so I defer to them. The AR-15 is the civilian version of the M16, and is a weapon designed to kill people and do it fast. It has a relatively high firing rate and muzzle velocity and long effective range. I know a lot of gun aficionados poo-poo it, but it's a deadly weapon. I wouldn't want be shot with one! :) I'd say that it could be classified as an assault weapon. But should it be? I just don't know.


Quick history for you.

M16 is built around the .223 round which had beened used for medium sized game hunting for a while and was adopted by NATO. Many features that work well in the military also work well for civillian use.

Ease (relatively) of maintenance. Decent durability and accuracy.

Things the feds used to identify an assault weapon (in the past). Was a combination of several factors, almost a point buy system. Thing like a colapsable stock, bayonet post etc etc( I believe the front sight post style was included on this list) Too many points and it is an assault weapon. Take one off, you can have other features.

Now, in contrast take the m14. Also a standard issue modern military rifle. It is far more accurate, does far more damage than the m16 and is semi auto just like the ar15. But it "looks" like a hunting rife. With a magazine swap, you can even get close to the 30rnds of the ar15 (which use to be 20). It was never considered an assault weapon.

Something that need to be at least acknowledged is restrictions on magazine capacity do not have as much of an impact on how many rounds can be fired as one might think. It does not take long to reload a magazine fed firearm. With minimal to moderate practice, it can be done pretty quick. Revolvers can too with rapid loaders. Magazine size might (probably) help, but, keep it realistic.
 
2012-12-19 04:27:18 PM

bluefoxicy: //1 sword 1 swing 1 decapitation


4.bp.blogspot.com


Not always one swing...
 
2012-12-19 04:34:25 PM
The solution to America's problem of mentally disturbed people coming into contact with legally purchased firearms owned by other people is to make sure even more people acquire guns legally.
 
2012-12-19 04:36:06 PM

5 star chef of tv dinners: Speaking of kneejerk reactions, I just submitted a story from my hometown about a 10 yr old boy who found an unloaded handgun on his way to school and put it in his backpack.  Apparently, he had never saw a gun before and maybe thought it would be cool to show off to his friends or something.  Stupid move for sure but the response is even better.  Suspension/Expulsion is the least of his concerns.  The police are charging him with a crime.  A felony I believe (Conveying a deadly weapon).  Remember, this is a 10 yr old boy we are talking about.


Well, when we have a culture of smearing and calling police corrupt/incompetant whenever they do anything, especially when exercising discretion, is it suprising they just say eff it an charge everyone with everything they can?

(not saying they dont deserve it)

Same applies to schools who call police far any little infraction. Why use judgement when if you do, you are gonna get sued, tarred and feathered if you do by someone? Just let the law/courts settle it.

/end rant
//feels bad for the kid
///he is so screwed unless he gets a sympathetic judge/prosecutor
 
2012-12-19 04:36:29 PM

HBK: greenboy: I've never understood the fascination with hunting. As a means to supply food, sure, but as a sport, not so much. The fact that people would have to lock up their guns so that they didn't sneak out to go hunting is just a little odd to me.
Can someone explain why waiting for hours for a deer to come by just so you can shoot it is enjoyable or sporting?

I've never been hunting, but I always figured it was the same draw as fishing. A means to get out of the house, enjoy nature, and to spend time with your friends/family.


Fishing is the doorway-sport to hunting.
 
2012-12-19 04:36:33 PM

KingKauff: I'm at work with a full box of bullets in my book bag that I forgot to take out when I got home from hunting last weekend, so I'm getting a bang out of this


Know what you can do to have some fun with coworkers? Are you near a microwave?

\Shaney mac told me to
 
2012-12-19 04:37:42 PM
So now that he's a social pariah, had his reputation permanently stained, and will likely have trouble getting into a good college, who do we blame when HE shoots up his school?
 
2012-12-19 04:39:46 PM

Asphyxium: The solution to America's problem of mentally disturbed people coming into contact with legally purchased firearms owned by other people is to make sure even more people acquire guns legally.


Why do the cops do that?
 
2012-12-19 04:40:26 PM

Twitch Boy: So now that he's a social pariah, had his reputation permanently stained, and will likely have trouble getting into a good college, who do we blame when HE shoots up his school?


The gun, you big dummy.
 
2012-12-19 04:41:58 PM
I carry a folding Bear Grylls Gerber sideways on my belt around my back and screw anyone who thinks it is anything more than a tool to me. Our local dipshiat police cheif started an anti-knife campaign, trying to make it sound like it is illegal to carry a knife when it really isnt. He said "why would you ever need a knife in the city" so my first thougt was, I'm meandering down Whyte ave and I see the cops wife and daughter get into a nasty car accident right in front if me. Their car starts on fire and they can't get their seat belts undone, I walk up, open my gerber and cut them both free. Bet you're pretty happy I had a knife on me after all, huh stupid?
 
2012-12-19 04:45:14 PM
a law will not stop a highly motivated individual from carrying out their intentions.

TImothy McVeigh's attack Commonly referred to as the Oklahoma City Bombing killed 168 people including 19 children. It was the deadliest act of terrorism within the United States prior to the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.

He used a truck and some readily available items... ammonium nitrate and nitromethane. to construct a bomb. let's outlaw trucks, fertilizer and racing fuel. that will prevent more bombings, right? 

The guns are not the problem, the farked up individuals are the problem.

encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com does not equal 25.media.tumblr.com 

a gun can not kill someone without a person (unless it's a monkey with a gun, then we're all screwed) 

/hot like falling shell casings
 
SH
2012-12-19 04:47:30 PM

meat0918: burping the alphabet backwards


Awesome
 
2012-12-19 04:48:05 PM

Meerlar: a law will not stop a highly motivated individual from carrying out their intentions.

TImothy McVeigh's attack Commonly referred to as the Oklahoma City Bombing killed 168 people including 19 children. It was the deadliest act of terrorism within the United States prior to the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.

He used a truck and some readily available items... ammonium nitrate and nitromethane. to construct a bomb. let's outlaw trucks, fertilizer and racing fuel. that will prevent more bombings, right? 

The guns are not the problem, the farked up individuals are the problem.

[encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 299x168] does not equal [25.media.tumblr.com image 128x128] 

a gun can not kill someone without a person (unless it's a monkey with a gun, then we're all screwed) 

/hot like falling shell casings


No, a crazy person without a firearm and ammunition can not perpetrate a mass shooting.
 
2012-12-19 04:50:01 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Meerlar: a law will not stop a highly motivated individual from carrying out their intentions.

TImothy McVeigh's attack Commonly referred to as the Oklahoma City Bombing killed 168 people including 19 children. It was the deadliest act of terrorism within the United States prior to the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.

He used a truck and some readily available items... ammonium nitrate and nitromethane. to construct a bomb. let's outlaw trucks, fertilizer and racing fuel. that will prevent more bombings, right? 

The guns are not the problem, the farked up individuals are the problem.

[encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 299x168] does not equal [25.media.tumblr.com image 128x128] 

a gun can not kill someone without a person (unless it's a monkey with a gun, then we're all screwed) 

/hot like falling shell casings

No, a crazy person without a firearm and ammunition can not perpetrate a mass shooting.


Another lawyer? Geez. This place is getting full of them.
 
2012-12-19 04:51:11 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Meerlar: a law will not stop a highly motivated individual from carrying out their intentions.

TImothy McVeigh's attack Commonly referred to as the Oklahoma City Bombing killed 168 people including 19 children. It was the deadliest act of terrorism within the United States prior to the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.

He used a truck and some readily available items... ammonium nitrate and nitromethane. to construct a bomb. let's outlaw trucks, fertilizer and racing fuel. that will prevent more bombings, right? 

The guns are not the problem, the farked up individuals are the problem.

[encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 299x168] does not equal [25.media.tumblr.com image 128x128] 

a gun can not kill someone without a person (unless it's a monkey with a gun, then we're all screwed) 

/hot like falling shell casings

No, a crazy person without a firearm and ammunition can not perpetrate a mass shooting.


They are no longer called shootings.

/that doesn't mean the problem has gone away...
 
2012-12-19 04:59:02 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Meerlar: a law will not stop a highly motivated individual from carrying out their intentions.

TImothy McVeigh's attack Commonly referred to as the Oklahoma City Bombing killed 168 people including 19 children. It was the deadliest act of terrorism within the United States prior to the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.

He used a truck and some readily available items... ammonium nitrate and nitromethane. to construct a bomb. let's outlaw trucks, fertilizer and racing fuel. that will prevent more bombings, right? 

The guns are not the problem, the farked up individuals are the problem.

[encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 299x168] does not equal [25.media.tumblr.com image 128x128] 

a gun can not kill someone without a person (unless it's a monkey with a gun, then we're all screwed) 

/hot like falling shell casings

No, a crazy person without a firearm and ammunition can not perpetrate a mass shooting.



a gun can not perpetuate a mass shooting without a person (or a monkey)
 
HBK
2012-12-19 05:16:45 PM

Meerlar: No, a crazy person without a firearm and ammunition can not perpetrate a mass shooting.


a gun can not perpetuate a mass shooting without a person (or a monkey)



BAN MONKEYS!!!
 
2012-12-19 05:17:47 PM

Red_Fox: BigSnatch: As much as I think discretion is important in these cases and expulsion is excessive

 
Well luckily people with common sense don't give a damn what people like you think since the unfortunate event.
 
If you're stupid enough to bring a gun to school you deserve to face the consequences...whatever those may be where you go to school.
 
 
So the person with common sense would punish this kid the exact same way as another kid who has a loaded handgun in his backpack? I agree that he will get the same punishment, but it has nothing to do with common sense.
 
2012-12-19 05:23:26 PM

Meerlar: a gun can not perpetuate a mass shooting without a person (or a monkey)


A range I once frequented had a long-running in-joke about a rental Luger that shot three people in one day. Funny only because it was true.

/Lugers can be capricious
//yes, technically the people shot themselves
 
2012-12-19 05:25:38 PM

MattyFridays: doglover:

Everything dismissed, records expunged. Why? I didn't do anything actionable(unless fashion police are a real thing) They just din't like me.

Some kid was just committed in Maryland today because of what authorities call a "credible threat". They found no guns, no plans, just reports from "other students".

So weird kid gets locked up because he's weird.

Fantastic.


Didnt they say they found plans in his locker. If it's the kid from Laurel HS.
 
2012-12-19 05:41:19 PM
I did this once in 94. I went hunting over the weekend and didnt get home until late. So tired I just left my shotgun behind the seat of my truck and went in and went to bed. Next day, autopilot kicked in and drove to school. After school, I went out and had to get a tie down for a buddy. Dropped the seat and well shuck... thankfully that was it and I was a lot more paranoid about removing my guns after going shooting.

Hopefully this kid doesnt get too banged up by this.
 
2012-12-19 05:43:12 PM

Phony_Soldier: JesseL: Red_Fox: CJHardin: CSB

When I was in 10th grade I was in first period class and realized that I had 3 12 gauge shotgun shells in my pocket from waiting for a deer that morning at my place. I immediately went and discreetly told her my mistake. She nodded and I handed her the 3 shells where the other students could not see them. I went back to my desk. She left. About 5 minutes later I'm being taken out by the SRO and my vehicle is being searched. I ended up being suspended for 10 days from that stunt.

/CSB

Look I get it, you gun lovers don't think twice about there being a gun in your car or ammo in your pocket. It's not a big deal to you. That is no longer how your country is going to be and you'd better adjust to it or you're going to get in legal trouble. The general public is not going to support you anymore.

It may shock you, but despite all the noise you make most Americans don't agree with you.

I 2nd this.

/Will keep and bear arms.


Well, I know your ability to use reason now. You are a stupid twat i will say, and that is all. I am sick. I don't have the energy to feed you troll. I am not a gun lover, and my prior CSB said nothing of the sort. Your mother is a whore.
 
2012-12-19 05:48:57 PM

vpb: I don't know about expulsion, but just being that careless with a gun is  dangerous.  A car is a stupid place to keep a gun anyway, it's way too easy to steal.  Especially if it's visible from outside of the car.
 
It doesn't do much good to keep mentally unstable people from buying guns if they can just look for a car with a gun in it that someone forgot to unlock, or break out a window with a rock.


You can't stop crazy dude. They will find a way to get their crazy on with or without easy access to guns.
 
2012-12-19 05:53:34 PM
@CJHardin - Great argument there, keep it up.
 
2012-12-19 06:07:14 PM

MattyFridays: doglover:

 
Everything dismissed, records expunged. Why? I didn't do anything actionable(unless fashion police are a real thing) They just din't like me.
 
Some kid was just committed in Maryland today because of what authorities call a "credible threat". They found no guns, no plans, just reports from "other students".
 
So weird kid gets locked up because he's weird.
 
Fantastic.
 
 
A little more than that.
 
"Investigators and school security found graphs, charts, diagrams, and lists in the Laurel High School student's locker on Monday that suggested he may be planning to harm other people, said Pete Piringer, spokesman for the city of Laurel.
 
"There were no weapons involved, although investigators believe the student did have access to weapons," Piringer said. "Along with that potential access and the items they found in his locker, his behavior, and the fact that the classmates were uncomfortable, all led to it being a fairly credible threat."
 
Link
 
2012-12-19 06:08:05 PM

Cyclonic Cooking Action: @CJHardin - Great argument there, keep it up.


Thanks for the contribution to the thread.
 
2012-12-19 06:18:56 PM

Ohlookabutterfly: I carry a folding Bear Grylls Gerber sideways on my belt around my back


Really? Neat. Do you drink your own piss when the sun goes down, too?
 
2012-12-19 06:30:34 PM

CJHardin: Cyclonic Cooking Action: @CJHardin - Great argument there, keep it up.

Thanks for the contribution to the thread.


No problem. Guess you aren't that sick.
 
2012-12-19 06:53:31 PM
i think the problem is the wording of the law. i'm sure the law says something like, 'don't bring guns on school campus' or something along those lines.... but i'm pretty sure the laws don't say, 'don't go to a school and kill a bunch of people'.

so the nut-so will just decide to break one law....

(we're farked)
 
2012-12-19 07:00:37 PM

boozehat: i think the problem is the wording of the law. i'm sure the law says something like, 'don't bring guns on school campus' or something along those lines.... but i'm pretty sure the laws don't say, 'don't go to a school and kill a bunch of people'.

so the nut-so will just decide to break one law....

(we're farked)


Wait until someone brings one in pices. Since it probably doesn't say don't bring pieces of a gun on school campus.

Oh shiate.
 
2012-12-19 07:02:25 PM

serial_crusher: On one hand, I want to say "zero tolerance OMG WHARGARBL!"
But on the other hand, I want to say "hey dumbshiat, if you can't put your gun up when you're done with it, maybe you shouldn't have one?"



Perhaps not possess a gun anymore , but I doubt he should go to jail and carry a felony conviction the rest of his life.
 
2012-12-19 07:11:11 PM

CJHardin: CSB

When I was in 10th grade I was in first period class and realized that I had 3 12 gauge shotgun shells in my pocket from waiting for a deer that morning at my place. I immediately went and discreetly told her my mistake. She nodded and I handed her the 3 shells where the other students could not see them. I went back to my desk. She left. About 5 minutes later I'm being taken out by the SRO and my vehicle is being searched. I ended up being suspended for 10 days from that stunt.

/CSB


Given that you'd mentioned no-one else in your super-CSB up to that point, I'm choosing to believe that the bolded "her" refers to the deer.
 
Makes for quite a surreal little tale.
 
/That deer was a coont though, wasn't she?
 
2012-12-19 07:16:27 PM

wambu: serial_crusher: On one hand, I want to say "zero tolerance OMG WHARGARBL!"
But on the other hand, I want to say "hey dumbshiat, if you can't put your gun up when you're done with it, maybe you shouldn't have one?"


Perhaps not possess a gun anymore , but I doubt he should go to jail and carry a felony conviction the rest of his life.


Unless he gets wacked by a car, he's probably going to be in this country another 50 years. You sure you want to make that bet?
 
2012-12-19 07:26:23 PM

iron de havilland: CJHardin: CSB

When I was in 10th grade I was in first period class and realized that I had 3 12 gauge shotgun shells in my pocket from waiting for a deer that morning at my place. I immediately went and discreetly told her my mistake. She nodded and I handed her the 3 shells where the other students could not see them. I went back to my desk. She left. About 5 minutes later I'm being taken out by the SRO and my vehicle is being searched. I ended up being suspended for 10 days from that stunt.

/CSB

Given that you'd mentioned no-one else in your super-CSB up to that point, I'm choosing to believe that the bolded "her" refers to the deer.
 
Makes for quite a surreal little tale.
 
/That deer was a coont though, wasn't she?


Thanks, sorry my story wasn't correct in grammar. It happened though.
 
2012-12-19 07:28:26 PM

Cyclonic Cooking Action: CJHardin: Cyclonic Cooking Action: @CJHardin - Great argument there, keep it up.

Thanks for the contribution to the thread.

No problem. Guess you aren't that sick.


Oh yeah, well, I only wish the way I feel right now on you.
 
2012-12-19 07:32:48 PM

iron de havilland: CJHardin: CSB

When I was in 10th grade I was in first period class and realized that I had 3 12 gauge shotgun shells in my pocket from waiting for a deer that morning at my place. I immediately went and discreetly told her my mistake. She nodded and I handed her the 3 shells where the other students could not see them. I went back to my desk. She left. About 5 minutes later I'm being taken out by the SRO and my vehicle is being searched. I ended up being suspended for 10 days from that stunt.

/CSB

Given that you'd mentioned no-one else in your super-CSB up to that point, I'm choosing to believe that the bolded "her" refers to the deer.
 
Makes for quite a surreal little tale.
 
/That deer was a coont though, wasn't she?


My fault. Fever is messing me up. The small thing I left out was that my high school teacher was the "she". And yes, the doe was a coont.
 
2012-12-19 08:00:38 PM

CJHardin: Cyclonic Cooking Action: CJHardin: Cyclonic Cooking Action: @CJHardin - Great argument there, keep it up.

Thanks for the contribution to the thread.

No problem. Guess you aren't that sick.

Oh yeah, well, I only wish the way I feel right now on you.


Okay, I'll trade my biblical plague of boils for that.
 
2012-12-19 08:36:36 PM
BUT WAS HE HUNTING WILD PIGS I MIST KNOOOOOOOW
 
2012-12-19 09:49:14 PM
Dumb kids should have known better.

/total gun nut if everyone hasn't figured that our yet.
 
2012-12-19 10:41:54 PM
At my high school, it was common during hunting season for students to store their shotguns and rifles in their lockers. Nobody thought anything of a student walking down the hall dressed in camo carrying a gun.

The times, how they change.
 
2012-12-20 02:13:09 AM
Ahh, the modern USA, where so many simple things, so many small details, can become life changing events due to stupid laws and institutional rules that are based in paranoia and are all ultimately selectively enforced.

Must be a pretty safe neighborhood to keep a shotgun in plain view in a car. Some places leaving change in plain view is encouragement enough for a thief.
 
2012-12-20 02:34:30 AM

leadmetal: Ahh, the modern USA, where so many simple things, so many small details, can become life changing events due to stupid laws and institutional rules that are based in paranoia and are all ultimately selectively enforced.

Must be a pretty safe neighborhood to keep a shotgun in plain view in a car. Some places leaving change in plain view is encouragement enough for a thief.


This empire has been falling for quite a while.

/they all fall
 
2012-12-20 11:32:26 AM

leadmetal: Ahh, the modern USA, where so many simple things, so many small details, can become life changing events due to stupid laws and institutional rules that are based in paranoia and are all ultimately selectively enforced.

Must be a pretty safe neighborhood to keep a shotgun in plain view in a car. Some places leaving change in plain view is encouragement enough for a thief.


Still better than a lot of other countries in the world.
 
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