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2012-12-19 09:24:42 AM  
And everyone else foots the bill.
 
2012-12-19 09:24:52 AM  
Because underpaid and disrespected teachers will never snap after dealing with little snowflakes and their annoying helicopter mouth breathing parents.
 
2012-12-19 09:25:49 AM  
To be fair, Tennessee is retarded.
 
2012-12-19 09:26:32 AM  
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You know, this is exactly what I would expect the Tennessee legislature to look like. You can practically hear the banjo music.
 
2012-12-19 09:26:45 AM  
This is farking stupid.

He was crazy, and to try and predict how he would react is impossible. But knowing that every teacher is armed might have changed how he responded. What if he waited till recess, and use the AR-15's greater accuracy to pick off kids, where the teachers would be less effective with their handguns. Or he surprised a bus driver, taking he/sher and all the students on board out. A crazy person, like Mr Childkiller(making a conscience effort NOT to remember his name), will find a way to use the tools at their disposal.

Then, there would be these stories we would hear from time to time:
"Teacher's gun used to shoot teacher by student"
"Teacher freaks out, starts waving gun"
"Teacher's gun stolen, used to shoot cop"

Nope, the solution should be to make it harder to get guns, so that we can catch the guns before they get into criminal's hands. We need to watch guns and ammo more closely.
 
2012-12-19 09:27:16 AM  
. . . or because students of questionable judgement will never grab the classroom handgun (either in anger or "as a joke").
 
2012-12-19 09:27:38 AM  

Citrate1007: Because underpaid and disrespected teachers will never snap after dealing with little snowflakes and their annoying helicopter mouth breathing parents.


"Class dismissed...... FOREVER!!!"

*BLAM* *BLAM* *BLAM*
 
2012-12-19 09:28:41 AM  
restart genomics at oak ridge and let me move there.

mandatory gun ownership.
 
2012-12-19 09:29:10 AM  
Done in one.

Bravo.
 
2012-12-19 09:29:34 AM  
The result would be that the shooter would shoot the teacher first, then the students.
 
2012-12-19 09:30:03 AM  
Tennessee is angling for its own Fark Tag isn't it?
 
2012-12-19 09:30:14 AM  
I would be dead if my teachers were armed. 
 
2012-12-19 09:30:24 AM  
How farked up is this country that a substantial number of people think that the answer to gun violence is more guns.

It's a collective insanity. This country is sick in the head. Seriously, seriously sick.

Rather than learn from our mistakes, and learn from the example of other countries, which have sharply curtailed gun violence through very effective gun control measures, people think that putting a gun in everyone's hand is the answer.

When will we ever look outside ourselves and learn from others? When will we decide that we love our children more than we love our guns?
 
2012-12-19 09:30:38 AM  

wiseolddude: The result would be that the shooter would shoot the teacher first, then the students.


Which is likely what happened anyway.
 
2012-12-19 09:32:07 AM  
Well, it would probably help w/ discipline problems. Who's gonna cross a teacher that's packing?
 
2012-12-19 09:32:32 AM  
From overpaid union thugs to armed and trusted body guards. Only took the murder of 20 children.
 
2012-12-19 09:32:35 AM  
FTFA: "Say some madman comes in. The first person he would probably try to take out was the resource officer. But if he doesn't know which teacher has training, then he wouldn't know which one had [a gun]," Niceley said by phone. "These guys are obviously cowards anyway and if someone starts shooting back, they're going to take cover, maybe go ahead and commit suicide like most of them have."

If they're going to commit suicide anyway, why would they care if they get shot in the act? The type of person who shoots up a bunch of 1st graders isn't typically a rational individual weighing the pros & cons.
 
2012-12-19 09:32:52 AM  

maddermaxx: Tennessee is angling for its own Fark Tag isn't it?


Arizona has to get one first. It's at the head of the line.
 
2012-12-19 09:33:09 AM  
I can't wait to see this blow up in their faces.
 
2012-12-19 09:33:17 AM  
We should require every retail company arm their floor employees to deter theft.

I can't see any problems resulting from this.
 
2012-12-19 09:33:29 AM  

wiseolddude: The result would be that the shooter would shoot the teacher first, then the students.



No way.  Guns create a Sphere of Protection +3 around the owner when equipped.
 
2012-12-19 09:34:42 AM  
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2012-12-19 09:35:39 AM  
So who wants to make a prediction on when this policy will go disastrously wrong?
 
I'll say six months.  Likely sooner.
 
2012-12-19 09:35:44 AM  
This might be my favorite headline of the year.
 
2012-12-19 09:35:53 AM  

sprawl15: We should require every retail company arm their floor employees to deter theft.

I can't see any problems resulting from this.


Not just arm them, but put them in kevlar helmets and body armor too. That way, anybody who wants to hurt the employees will have to use armor-piercing rounds. Or RPGs.
 
2012-12-19 09:35:57 AM  
Remember, when you're a dangerous psychopath, it doesn't matter if you had a gun or not because you could have done just as much damage with a sack of buttons. But if you're a law abiding citizen, guns are amazing and you absolutely need them for protection.
 
2012-12-19 09:36:01 AM  
And I'll say another thing.

As the father of a toddler, I will never, ever, ever send him to a daycare or school that allows teachers or others to carry firearms. Ever. If they ever instituted something like that, I would pull him out and put him in a gun-free private school that day.
 
2012-12-19 09:36:10 AM  

Publikwerks: He was crazy, and to try and predict how he would react is impossible. But knowing that every teacher is armed might have changed how he responded. What if he waited till recess, and use the AR-15's greater accuracy to pick off kids, where the teachers would be less effective with their handguns.


So the killer goes in the school and starts shooting. All the teachers start running around with guns drawn looking for someone to shoot, how do they know who the 'bad guy' is? Now the police come, now they have to figure out who the killer is amongst a chaotic group of armed people. Yeah, this is the type of idea that could only come from Tennessee.
 
2012-12-19 09:36:11 AM  
If I recall correctly, Columbine had an armed police resource officer - who stayed the fark away from the gunfire because he didn't want to die! Cops don't go in, guns blazing. They shoot you before you bring your gun out, and if you're highly armed, they send in the equally heavily ARMORED swat team! Believe it or not, most cops wouldn't knowingly get themselves killed for a civilian.
 
2012-12-19 09:36:11 AM  
What we need is better doors.

In all seriousness - He shot his through doors. And I'm sure the two classrooms didn't have their doors open. Schools should have heavy doors that can take getting shot up.
 
2012-12-19 09:37:54 AM  

Serious Black: sprawl15: We should require every retail company arm their floor employees to deter theft.

I can't see any problems resulting from this.

Not just arm them, but put them in kevlar helmets and body armor too. That way, anybody who wants to hurt the employees will have to use armor-piercing rounds. Or RPGs.


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2012-12-19 09:38:34 AM  

Publikwerks: What we need is better doors.

In all seriousness - He shot his through doors. And I'm sure the two classrooms didn't have their doors open. Schools should have heavy doors that can take getting shot up.


Woops, that should read He shot through the doors(editing boo boo)
 
2012-12-19 09:39:56 AM  

Publikwerks: What we need is better doors.

In all seriousness - He shot his through doors. And I'm sure the two classrooms didn't have their doors open. Schools should have heavy doors that can take getting shot up.


There's a lot of things we should be considering. Classroom should probably all have a direct exit to the outside too.

However these things cost money. When the School district calls for a referendum to pay for a new school they will be accused of "building a Taj Mahal".
 
2012-12-19 09:41:26 AM  
Look up easy bake gun club. They have hundreds of examples of people using a gun to protect themselves in just the past two months.

Why aren't these reported in the media?

Oct 3rd in bridgeford conn, a woman scared off a would be robber/rapist in her home.
Tell her she should have been raped and murdered instead of protecting herself. Go on. I dare ya.

There are HUNDREDS of examples of this story. Every day. Look them up. It's not easy because the media doesn't like reporting these types of stories. It doesn't fit their anti-gun agenda.
 
2012-12-19 09:41:30 AM  

sprawl15: Serious Black: sprawl15: We should require every retail company arm their floor employees to deter theft.

I can't see any problems resulting from this.

Not just arm them, but put them in kevlar helmets and body armor too. That way, anybody who wants to hurt the employees will have to use armor-piercing rounds. Or RPGs.

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keep your shiat in line


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2012-12-19 09:41:35 AM  
I don't see how this is a problem. It is nice of him to propose using public funds to make sure all teachers have arms. And is even willing to pay for teachers to learn how to properly use their new arms. What better place than a classroom to show that we care enough about our students and citizens to ensure everyone has arms. This is a cause everyone should get behind. The armed teacher, the way of the future. And if a Tennessee teacher was previously armless, don't worry, the state has their back, or arms in this case...
 
2012-12-19 09:41:38 AM  
Gun owners demand increased gun ownership to protect us from gun owners. Film at 11.
 
2012-12-19 09:41:59 AM  
So more bullets flying in a school full of children?

Why do so many conservatives think this is the best idea?
 
2012-12-19 09:43:17 AM  

master_dman: Look up easy bake gun club. They have hundreds of examples of people using a gun to protect themselves in just the past two months.

Why aren't these reported in the media?

Oct 3rd in bridgeford conn, a woman scared off a would be robber/rapist in her home.
Tell her she should have been raped and murdered instead of protecting herself. Go on. I dare ya.

There are HUNDREDS of examples of this story. Every day. Look them up. It's not easy because the media doesn't like reporting these types of stories. It doesn't fit their anti-gun agenda.


Yeah they get posted here a lot, via news articles. Your conspiracy theory needs some work.
 
2012-12-19 09:44:36 AM  
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2012-12-19 09:44:43 AM  
If a person with a mental illness comes into a school to shoot up the place, they are not going to care if anyone has a gun. This "more guns" theory assumes that the person shooting up the school is thinking rationally and weighing risks.

However, if the shooter DOES think rationally, all they will do is use a hostage as a human shield. Any armed teacher or security guard wont take a shot at a shooter shielding themselves with a 9 year old, but a shooter will gladly shoot said teacher or security guard.

In all, this "more guns" argument is stupid.
 
2012-12-19 09:45:09 AM  

master_dman: Look up easy bake gun club. They have hundreds of examples of people using a gun to protect themselves in just the past two months.

Why aren't these reported in the media?

Oct 3rd in bridgeford conn, a woman scared off a would be robber/rapist in her home.
Tell her she should have been raped and murdered instead of protecting herself. Go on. I dare ya.

There are HUNDREDS of examples of this story. Every day. Look them up. It's not easy because the media doesn't like reporting these types of stories. It doesn't fit their anti-gun agenda.


For every single instance of legitimate self-defense use of a gun, there are dozens of preventable deaths and injuries caused by accidental or wrongful use of guns.

Link

For every time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally justifiable shooting, there were four unintentional shootings, seven criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides.

CONCLUSIONS:
Guns kept in homes are more likely to be involved in a fatal or nonfatal accidental shooting, criminal assault, or suicide attempt than to be used to injure or kill in self-defense.


That's 22 preventable gun deaths or injuries for every single instance of a gun being used in self-defense against an attacker.

Sure, armed self-defense happens...sometimes. But other things happen much, much more often. The cost-benefit analysis of guns for self-defense does not come out in your favor.
 
2012-12-19 09:46:06 AM  

there their theyre: What better place than a classroom to show that we care enough about our students and citizens to ensure everyone has arms.


I'm not comfortable arming ruthless union thugs.
 
2012-12-19 09:46:06 AM  

Publikwerks: What we need is better doors.

In all seriousness - He shot his through doors. And I'm sure the two classrooms didn't have their doors open. Schools should have heavy doors that can take getting shot up.



20 steal doors with egress hardware (for fires) at $500 a piece for installation.  $10K per school.  That or replace the  30 year old text books.  Anyways, some whack job will figure out that you just pull the fire alarm and wait for the kids to come to you.
 
Good doors are not a bad idea and also I am not against some trained personnel having guns in schools but this has to be in conjunction with better gun control and more spending on mental health.  
 
2012-12-19 09:46:31 AM  
So, would a parent have a choice in sending their children to a school with randomly armed staff? Would some sort of alternative school be offered, or would the state force parents to place their children into rooms with guns?
 
2012-12-19 09:46:55 AM  
Na. I dont like this. I like the idea of having a system that will pump CS gas through the sprinkler system. A shooting starts the head administrator just presses the panic button and everyone in the school is disabled.
 
2012-12-19 09:47:08 AM  

Doc Daneeka: For every single instance of legitimate self-defense use of a gun, there are dozens of preventable deaths and injuries caused by accidental or wrongful use of guns.


It's even worse if you look at backyard pools - there have been hundreds (if not thousands) of preventable deaths and injuries caused by irresponsible owners and not once has it been used to successfully deter a crime.
 
2012-12-19 09:48:09 AM  
Aren't these teachers from the same group that is always sleeping with their students? Surely, their judgement is beyond reproach, and arming them cannot lead to any bad situations.
 
No teacher has ever misused state-provided trinkets, and teachers are immune from mental disorders - hadn't you heard?
 
2012-12-19 09:48:09 AM  

Saiga410: Na. I dont like this. I like the idea of having a system that will pump CS gas through the sprinkler system. A shooting starts the head administrator just presses the panic button and everyone in the school is dis differently abled.


ftfy
 
2012-12-19 09:48:43 AM  
I'm sorry, but any argument that starts off with "well, maybe the teachers should have easier access to weapons" just seems like a poor argument.
 
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