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2012-12-19 02:51:56 AM
It's the same price with or without the labels, subby. So really it's more a matter of "No charge for letters and numbers"
 
amo [TotalFark]
2012-12-19 02:59:16 AM
<p>I have an older Das Keyboard without labels. </p>

<p> </p>

<p>Worth. Every. Penny.</p>

<p> </p>

<p><sub><small>labels are for sissies</small></sub></p>
 
2012-12-19 03:45:53 AM

amo: <p>I have an older Das Keyboard without labels. </p>

<p> </p>

<p>Worth. Every. Penny.</p>

<p> </p>

<p><sub><small>labels are for sissies</small></sub></p>



You might be doing it wrong.
 
2012-12-19 04:09:56 AM
$130?  Pfft, amateurs!
 
2012-12-19 08:30:53 AM

Frederick: You might be doing it wrong.



There appear to be some issues with the new commenting thingy, especially if you switch between modes and preview.
 
2012-12-19 09:04:35 AM
Meh.  I can type 75WPM (when I'm in practice), and even I need to look at the key labels fairly often.
 
I prefer Northgate or original IBM PC or PC/AT keyboards, and computers with PS/2 connectors.  All are
becoming much harder to find.
 
2012-12-19 09:11:20 AM

DjangoStonereaver: and even I need to look at the key labels fairly often.



If I've got the F/J bumps, I can do 99% of my typing without any issue, but if I need any special characters beyond day-to-day punctuation I'd be fairly screwed.
 
2012-12-19 09:40:56 AM

incendi: DjangoStonereaver: and even I need to look at the key labels fairly often.


If I've got the F/J bumps, I can do 99% of my typing without any issue, but if I need any special characters beyond day-to-day punctuation I'd be fairly screwed.



The number pad is what generally gets me in trouble, and the F/J bumps do help, but even still I've learned
to keep one eye on the keyboard as I type.
 
2012-12-19 10:31:24 AM
I spray painted my keyboard black when I was in High School to make me learn to type by feel.
 
I was a very interesting child.
 
2012-12-19 10:45:39 AM

Tr0mBoNe: I spray painted my keyboard black when I was in High School to make me learn to type by feel.
 
I was a very interesting child.



ooh yeah so quirky and unique
 
2012-12-19 11:12:57 AM

incendi: Frederick: You might be doing it wrong.


There appear to be some issues with the new commenting thingy, especially if you switch between modes and preview.



You also can't left click in it to correct spelling mistakes, which is a major problem.  Or at least I can't.
 
2012-12-19 11:14:01 AM

GAT_00: incendi: Frederick: You might be doing it wrong.


There appear to be some issues with the new commenting thingy, especially if you switch between modes and preview.


You also can't left click in it to correct spelling mistakes, which is a major problem.  Or at least I can't.



Er, right click.
 
amo [TotalFark]
2012-12-19 11:22:54 AM

incendi: Frederick: You might be doing it wrong.


There appear to be some issues with the new commenting thingy, especially if you switch between modes and preview.



Sometimes I have to learn things the hard way. 
 
I love this keyboard and you'll probably have to pry it out of my cold, dead hands. I almost guarantee it will still work.
 
2012-12-19 11:24:18 AM

Tr0mBoNe: I spray painted my keyboard black when I was in High School to make me learn to type by feel.
 
I was a very interesting child.



Couldn't you just not look at the keys like everybody else who touchtypes?
 
2012-12-19 11:27:23 AM
I'm so glad English is the only language in the world because otherwise that keyboard would be beyond stupid. I'm also happy that QWERTY typing is the only way to do it or else that keyboard would be beyond stupid.
/Beyond stupid.
//Somewhere over there.
 
amo [TotalFark]
2012-12-19 11:29:13 AM

Tr0mBoNe: I spray painted my keyboard black when I was in High School to make me learn to type by feel.
 
I was a very interesting child.



*internet high-five* I used white fingernail polish. Not the best security ever, but quite effective against certain types. Drove my mother up the wall. ("You've ruined that keyboard. Why would you do that? Now no one can use it." Yeah, no one but me.) Touch typists still exist, but we're rare enough that most people boggle at my keyboard. "How do you use it?" is the most common response. Um, much like a regular keyboard, you push a button, and the corresponding character appears on the screen.
 
2012-12-19 11:37:01 AM

amo: Touch typists still exist, but we're rare enough that most people boggle at my keyboard.



wtf are you talking about? touch typing is more prevalent now than ever, unless your definition only includes people who feel the need to alert the world to their amazing ability to type without looking at a keyboard by painting keys.
 
2012-12-19 11:43:56 AM

thomps: amo: Touch typists still exist, but we're rare enough that most people boggle at my keyboard.


wtf are you talking about? touch typing is more prevalent now than ever, unless your definition only includes people who feel the need to alert the world to their amazing ability to type without looking at a keyboard by painting keys.



hmm. i think that although a lot of people are capable of touch typing, that they currently rely quite a bit on the markings on the keyboard, and would have to take some time to adjust to it. 
 
2012-12-19 11:47:25 AM

ekdikeo4: thomps: amo: Touch typists still exist, but we're rare enough that most people boggle at my keyboard.


wtf are you talking about? touch typing is more prevalent now than ever, unless your definition only includes people who feel the need to alert the world to their amazing ability to type without looking at a keyboard by painting keys.


hmm. i think that although a lot of people are capable of touch typing, that they currently rely quite a bit on the markings on the keyboard, and would have to take some time to adjust to it.


i would venture to guess that most people under the age of 30 that grew up with computers could type with ease without markings (aside from the bumps on the f and j keys, i suppose). typing has become a primary means of communication as opposed to something you learn in a middle school class and then forget.
 
amo [TotalFark]
2012-12-19 11:56:37 AM

thomps: wtf are you talking about? touch typing is more prevalent now than ever, unless your definition only includes people who feel the need to alert the world to their amazing ability to type without looking at a keyboard by painting keys.


You assume too much. I felt no need to alert the world. My keyboard then never left the house, and neither does the current one. But people who came over would notice it and comment, and they still do. I only brought it up here because this is a discussion about blank keyboards. 

thomps: hmm. i think that although a lot of people are capable of touch typing, that they currently rely quite a bit on the markings on the keyboard, and would have to take some time to adjust to it.

i would venture to guess that most people under the age of 30 that grew up with computers could type with ease without markings (aside from the bumps on the f and j keys, i suppose). typing has become a primary means of communication as opposed to something you learn in a middle school class and then forget.


I suspect most people under the age of 30 now use touch screens most often, which by definition can't teach you to touch type. If touch typists were more common, fewer people would boggle at a blank keyboard.
 
2012-12-19 12:02:14 PM

amo: I suspect most people under the age of 30 now use touch screens most often, which by definition can't teach you to touch type. If touch typists were more common, fewer people would boggle at a blank keyboard.



touch screens, as a mainstream interface, are like 5 years old. my assumption is that people boggle at your keyboard in the same way they boggle at any other conversation piece, or you have a non-representative sample hanging out in your house.
 
2012-12-19 12:08:51 PM

DjangoStonereaver: Meh.  I can type 75WPM (when I'm in practice), and even I need to look at the key labels fairly often.
 
I prefer Northgate or original IBM PC or PC/AT keyboards, and computers with PS/2 connectors.  All are
becoming much harder to find.


I need to look at the keyboard from time to time, but the lack of labels wouldn't hurt much, it is more that because I don't touch type and just hold my hands over the keyboard, I can get "misaligned". Some of the special characters might be a bit more problematic, although being a programmer I use a lot of them fairly regularly - and remoting in to clients systems around the world on a fairly regular basis, the lack of labels on the keyboard could actually be beneficial as a number of special symbols move around in different keyboard layouts so you have to go from memory and ignore the keyboard anyway.

/as has been noted you can have the labels anyway, so the whole issue is fairly moot
 
amo [TotalFark]
2012-12-19 12:08:57 PM

thomps: amo: I suspect most people under the age of 30 now use touch screens most often, which by definition can't teach you to touch type. If touch typists were more common, fewer people would boggle at a blank keyboard.

touch screens, as a mainstream interface, are like 5 years old. my assumption is that people boggle at your keyboard in the same way they boggle at any other conversation piece, or you have a non-representative sample hanging out in your house.


Even most of the new college grads I worked with in office jobs in the past couple years, who have had QWERTY keyboards at their disposal since childhood, couldn't touch type. Call that a non-representative sample if you'd like, but somehow I doubt it. I'm not saying they can't type, but if you look down at your hands/keyboard at all, you're not a touch typist.
 
2012-12-19 12:09:42 PM
I always wanted to try one of these:

blog.shoplet.com
 
2012-12-19 12:11:09 PM
http://pckeyboard.com/page/KBDCFG/KBDCFG
 
2012-12-19 12:11:37 PM

thomps: ekdikeo4: thomps: amo: Touch typists still exist, but we're rare enough that most people boggle at my keyboard.


wtf are you talking about? touch typing is more prevalent now than ever, unless your definition only includes people who feel the need to alert the world to their amazing ability to type without looking at a keyboard by painting keys.


hmm. i think that although a lot of people are capable of touch typing, that they currently rely quite a bit on the markings on the keyboard, and would have to take some time to adjust to it.

i would venture to guess that most people under the age of 30 that grew up with computers could type with ease without markings (aside from the bumps on the f and j keys, i suppose). typing has become a primary means of communication as opposed to something you learn in a middle school class and then forget.



I think you're your confusing comfort with using the interface with skill in using it.  Even for people who
grew up with computer, most people need to actually think about what they're entering, and that takes
thought that slows down the mechanical process of entry.  For me, a touch typist is someone who is
practiced enough that they can think about other things and form whole words, rather than one letter
at a time.
 
The main reason I can type as fast as I do is that I took a full year of professional typing classes in
high school (if you have ever seen my handwriting you'll know why), but what really pushed me into the
stratosphere is the 3 years I was a data entry clerk.  Though we weren't paid by the keystroke, we were
judged on how much work we got done in a shift, and it got to the point where everyone in my office
was able to have very serious conversations while we were all clacking away.  I think a couple of times
my key speed came close to 100WPM toward the end of my time there.
 
2012-12-19 12:13:19 PM
I have the older version of this keyboard at home and it is a really nice keyboard. Each fingers keys have different weights so it takes the same amount of effort. Like the pinky is really light since it's the weakest finger but the space bar is heavier. It is a great keyboard to learn how to type faster.
 
2012-12-19 12:15:17 PM

amo: Even most of the new college grads I worked with in office jobs in the past couple years, who have had QWERTY keyboards at their disposal since childhood, couldn't touch type. Call that a non-representative sample if you'd like, but somehow I doubt it. I'm not saying they can't type, but if you look down at your hands/keyboard at all, you're not a touch typist.


i guess my point is that since more people use keyboards on a daily basis now than ever before, it makes sense that there would be more people who have mastered typing on a keyboard than ever before.
 

DjangoStonereaver: I think a couple of times
my key speed came close to 100WPM toward the end of my time there.


that is insane.
 
amo [TotalFark]
2012-12-19 12:16:55 PM

DjangoStonereaver: For me, a touch typist is someone who is practiced enough that they can think about other things and form whole words, rather than one letter at a time.


This too. 
 
2012-12-19 12:17:05 PM
One other footnote:  even though it was a tough slog (I really hated my typing class, but that was mostly
because of the old battle axe of a teacher I had), after all this time I have found that I really enjoy the
physical act of typing because I can sometimes type faster than I can think.  Since I have pretensions at
being a writer someday, and have to write often for my job, I used to have to do my drafts in longhand and
then transcribe them, but now I can just compose at the keyboard.  When I'm on a roll, time just slips away
like it would if I were playing an engrossing video game (which, I suppose, I sort of am), and I get a feeling
that I imagine is not dissimilar to that which a concert pianist or other type of musician who is adept at their
instrument gets; a feeling of oneness with one's instruments.
 
That's why I've always liked a good feeling keyboard.
 
2012-12-19 12:18:10 PM
Keyboards without labels are for the completely douchey who feel the need to show their superiority by making their computers hard to use for others.
 
2012-12-19 12:18:38 PM

incendi: DjangoStonereaver: and even I need to look at the key labels fairly often.


If I've got the F/J bumps, I can do 99% of my typing without any issue, but if I need any special characters beyond day-to-day punctuation I'd be fairly screwed.


My coworker has a Das Keyboard. I see him using the On Screen Keyboard for special symbols fairly often.
 
2012-12-19 12:18:50 PM

DVDave: I always wanted to try one of these:

[blog.shoplet.com image 500x403]


WTF is that?!
 
2012-12-19 12:19:14 PM
I'll cop to having not just one $300 keyboard, but three (one at home, one at work, one inherited from my dad as a backup). Kinesis Ergo (the two finger-"bowl" style).

The oldest of them has an AT (5-pin) plug, to a PS/2, to USB. And still works fine roughly 15 years later.
 
2012-12-19 12:19:34 PM

thomps: DjangoStonereaver: I think a couple of times
my key speed came close to 100WPM toward the end of my time there.

that is insane.



At my fastest, I was around 122 wpm (according to some tests). I was typing so fast, I was developing wrist and hand issues, which is why I type at around 80 wpm nowadays.
 
2012-12-19 12:20:04 PM
I have my preferred keyboard and mouse that I bring with me to work, since I spend so much time attached to them, I value ergonomics, comfort and speed, and like eyeglasses, saving a couple of bucks is a false economy.

That said, I've been eyeing some fancy steampunky decorative keyboards an artist makes... Damn that would be pretty to have in front of me all day. Sigh...
 
2012-12-19 12:20:22 PM
The ultimate hipster accessory.

/Is there anything those douche bags haven't contaminated?
 
2012-12-19 12:23:56 PM
After losing two G15s in six months (their solder joints are crap and Logitech's "solution" was to offer me a voucher to buy a third, fark that) I bought a Das Keyboard and it is sexual sex in qwerty form.
 
2012-12-19 12:24:01 PM
P.S. the steampunk keyboards I like are at datamancer.com
 
2012-12-19 12:24:30 PM
My HHKB laughs at the Das price tag.
 
2012-12-19 12:24:37 PM

AbiNormal: /Is there anything those douche bags haven't contaminated?



Yeah, but you've probably never heard of it.
 
2012-12-19 12:25:30 PM
thomps:
 
DjangoStonereaver: I think a couple of times
my key speed came close to 100WPM toward the end of my time there.

that is insane.

 
And I was actually one of the slower operators.  The fact that I type in short bursts probably has saved
me from carpal tunnel, but it also keeps my overall speed lower than it might be (which is a fine trade off).

It was for a magazine subscription processing service on an OOOOOLLLLLDDDDD (even by mid 1980s
standards) Unisys mainframe.  We had thousands, if not tens of thousands, of slips of paper to enter in
an 8 hour shift, so speed and accuracy was the order of the day.  Its the kind of stuff that, these days,
would either be done with an OCR scanner or just people going to a website and doing it themselves.
 
It was actually rather interesting:  we processed stuff for a myriad of trade magazines (FROZEN FOOD
MONTHLY was one), but also for interesting publications like INTERVIEW and BYTE (I process
subscripsions for both Gene Roddenberry and Arthur C. Clark and saved their home addresses, though
I never had the guts to actually write to them).
 
2012-12-19 12:26:39 PM

incendi: Frederick: You might be doing it wrong.


There appear to be some issues with the new commenting thingy, especially if you switch between modes and preview.



It's buggy. I already biatched to them about the right click dialog being replaced with a stand alone "PASTE" dialog.. No cut, paste, spelling suggestions.. The new commenting box sucks
 
2012-12-19 12:26:39 PM
Some people like to type by feel. I'm the other way, I type by looking at the keyboard and not at the screen. I tend to type much faster. Admittedly you have to go back and correct the mistakes you make, but I edit everything I type i case I've made a mandrake.
 
2012-12-19 12:27:28 PM

DjangoStonereaver: It was actually rather interesting: we processed stuff for a myriad of trade magazines (FROZEN FOOD
MONTHLY was one), but also for interesting publications like INTERVIEW and BYTE (I process
subscripsions for both Gene Roddenberry and Arthur C. Clark and saved their home addresses, though
I never had the guts to actually write to them).



I'm sorry to say that I think you missed your chance.
 
2012-12-19 12:27:54 PM
What do I get for having worn the labels off of my keyboard? Besides getting told to go outside.
/The q,z,x,v,b,o,p are still visible.
 
2012-12-19 12:28:03 PM
However will I find Scroll Lock?
 
2012-12-19 12:31:38 PM

incendi: AbiNormal: /Is there anything those douche bags haven't contaminated?


Yeah, but you've probably never heard of it.


+1
 
2012-12-19 12:34:20 PM

ShadowLAnCeR: DVDave: I always wanted to try one of these:

[blog.shoplet.com image 500x403]

WTF is that?!


A keyboard, obviously, but with labels.
 
2012-12-19 12:38:22 PM
CSB

I learned to touch type on an IBM Selectric II, I was so fast that when I first started typing on an Original IBM PC the computer would still be displaying letters on the screen when I finished typing.

/CSB
//Get off my Lawn
 
2012-12-19 12:40:27 PM
I miss my old clacking keyboard, and I know several guys that would buy this for the clacking - if there weren't cheaper options available.
 
amo [TotalFark]
2012-12-19 12:41:33 PM

Explodo: Keyboards without labels are for the completely douchey who feel the need to show their superiority by making their computers hard to use for others.


Oooh, can I play too? Keyboards with labels are for people who have no business on a computer.
 

thomps: i guess my point is that since more people use keyboards on a daily basis now than ever before, it makes sense that there would be more people who have mastered typing on a keyboard than ever before.


Mastering typing and touch typing are related but different skills.
 

thomps: DjangoStonereaver: I think a couple of times
my key speed came close to 100WPM toward the end of my time there.

that is insane.


Probably, but it's not unusual! lol I listened to books on tape when I did data entry, and couldn't tell you anything at all about the work I was doing, but I never did less than 30k kph with an error rate of 0.001%. 
 
amo [TotalFark]
2012-12-19 12:45:10 PM

Tom_Slick: CSB

I learned to touch type on an IBM Selectric II, I was so fast that when I first started typing on an Original IBM PC the computer would still be displaying letters on the screen when I finished typing.

/CSB
//Get off my Lawn


I learned on a Selectric II as well, but didn't get that kind of speed until a few years later. A couple years back, my husband and I learned we can't both have wireless keyboards. My typing is fast enough to interfere with his keyboard's signal, which apparently is really annoying when he's trying to play video games. 
 
2012-12-19 12:46:05 PM

DVDave: ShadowLAnCeR: DVDave: I always wanted to try one of these:

[blog.shoplet.com image 500x403]

WTF is that?!

A keyboard, obviously, but with labels.


Ah, so you can spend all day re configuring your ball. Gotcha.
/low hanging fruit.
 
2012-12-19 12:48:08 PM

DVDave: I always wanted to try one of these:

[blog.shoplet.com image 500x403]


blog.effectiveui.com
 
2012-12-19 12:53:16 PM
I got this 6 years ago and just replaced that one with the one in the linked site this year. Great stuff. This one is the clicky-clacky version. I love it.
 
2012-12-19 12:53:30 PM
DjangoStonereaver: Meh. I can type 75WPM (when I'm in practice), and even I need to look at the key labels fairly often.

I range from 80 to well over 100 WPM, depending on what I'm typing.

I only look at the keyboard when typing numbers ... on keyboards without number pads ... because I learned on keyboards with 10 key.

// used to tutor other people on typing

// subby just now discovered das keyboard, it's been around for YEARS.
 
2012-12-19 12:54:32 PM

Slam Dunkz: I got this 6 years ago and just replaced that one with the one in the linked site this year. Great stuff. This one is the clicky-clacky version. I love it.



I should dig up my IBM Model M keyboard. It's somewhere in my parent's house. Has a serial plug in it, so I think it's the model from the 80s.
 
2012-12-19 12:57:07 PM
At home, my keyboard is english-canadian.

At work, it is french-canadian, except when I'm using a VM, which is mapped to American English.

All three are similar, but the special characters, accents, and basic punctuation all move around. Touch-typing is a pain when you have three different (but very similar) setups. Im thinking of switching to AZERTY for french, if only so it is different enough that I will just learn both patterns

What do you think?
 
2012-12-19 12:58:12 PM
Here's a small poem I wrote on that very keyboard:


:AWLdh;ow hdq whdwl'wdd d
akwjd jdwSdp of[vld mlewq mc399se dalwop
lwdj wkj woaj owd Soidp9duf8gcyf wqoiiq
Fad pWwiud9B hajdbf;ipq
 
2012-12-19 12:59:03 PM
You aren't paying for the labels or lack of labels. You're paying for gold-plated mechanical keyswitches with good tactile and auditory feedback. They are harder to make and require more expensive parts than the silent mushboards that Cherry somehow profits on at $8 retail.

Northgate Omni Evo on my desk.

/and a spare in storage
//and a couple of PI engineering xkeys for gratuitous extra buttons
 
2012-12-19 12:59:04 PM

r1niceboy: Some people like to type by feel. I'm the other way, I type by looking at the keyboard and not at the screen. I tend to type much faster. Admittedly you have to go back and correct the mistakes you make, but I edit everything I type i case I've made a mandrake.


You don't type faster looking down than looking up. You might think you do because you are not good enough to not look but it's not possible to type faster looking down and finding keys than just knowing where the keys are located. I know people that say that and once they learn how to type the correct way they can see how much faster they can actually go. Plus if you do make a mistake you can tell right away and fix it without having to look at the entire document or paragraph and edit it.
 
2012-12-19 01:00:52 PM
Typing snob fight. I love this place.
 
2012-12-19 01:02:06 PM
I have an IBM M keyboard. I just need a way to plug it in to a usb port. hrm....
 
2012-12-19 01:02:50 PM

A Terrible Human: What do I get for having worn the labels off of my keyboard? Besides getting told to go outside.
/The q,z,x,v,b,o,p are still visible.


dj_spanmaster: I miss my old clacking keyboard, and I know several guys that would buy this for the clacking - if there weren't cheaper options available.


If you want brand new, you can get one from http://pckeyboard.com, as dynomutt suggested. They are the same Model M keyboards as the 80's with all the clacky goodness. If you want one cheap, check the Salvation Army/Savers/Goodwill/etc and see what pops up. They're most likely still working, but in need of a cleaning.

On most if not all of these, the labels are melted into the keycaps with another color of plastic, so they shouldn't fade no matter how much you type.

This monstrosity is my replacement since my wireless keyboard died:
pckeyboard.com
 
rpm
2012-12-19 01:04:31 PM

Explodo: Keyboards without labels are for the completely douchey who feel the need to show their superiority by making their computers hard to use for others.


Not always. One place I worked at couldn't afford to replace things that often, and the labels were completely worn off the keyboard.
 
2012-12-19 01:06:27 PM
If you really want the clacking for a mechanical keyboard, you can download a nice little program for that: http://www.grc.com/freeware/clickey.htm
 
2012-12-19 01:07:06 PM

DjangoStonereaver: Meh.  I can type 75WPM (when I'm in practice), and even I need to look at the key labels fairly often.
 
I prefer Northgate or original IBM PC or PC/AT keyboards, and computers with PS/2 connectors.  All are
becoming much harder to find.


There is a new generation of mechanical switch keyboards of which this "Das Keyboard" is just one. They all use "Cherry MX" mechanical key switches. There are different models of the switches with different feels to them. None of the keyboards using these switches are cheap, but the Das Keyboard is probably the most expensive. Monoprice has a keyboard that uses the same exact switches for just under $60.
 
2012-12-19 01:07:18 PM
How cute, subby just discovered that there are higher end keyboards available than the one that came with his Mac.
 
2012-12-19 01:07:41 PM

TNel:

You don't type faster looking down than looking up.



I type faster looking sideways...
 
2012-12-19 01:09:50 PM

sunblock_suppository: You aren't paying for the labels or lack of labels. You're paying for gold-plated mechanical keyswitches with good tactile and auditory feedback. They are harder to make and require more expensive parts than the silent mushboards that Cherry somehow profits on at $8 retail.

Northgate Omni Evo on my desk.

/and a spare in storage
//and a couple of PI engineering xkeys for gratuitous extra buttons


Gold plated switches? Does it connect to the computer with a Monster USB cable too?
 
2012-12-19 01:10:15 PM
I have an older model. Yes, it still clicks.
 
2012-12-19 01:11:51 PM

LazarusLong42: Gold plated switches? Does it connect to the computer with a Monster USB cable too?



Gold plating is great for preventing corrosion. Nobody here is claiming that it makes your bits produce more vibrant lettering when they get to your screen.

 
 
2012-12-19 01:13:47 PM

stpauler: I'm so glad English is the only language in the world because otherwise that keyboard would be beyond stupid. I'm also happy that QWERTY typing is the only way to do it or else that keyboard would be beyond stupid.
/Beyond stupid.
//Somewhere over there.


I have one for the office and another at home. I originally bought it to help me learn Dvorak while also getting a mechanical-switch keyboard.
 
2012-12-19 01:15:43 PM
This is the under the geek tab and labels DAS keyboards as fail? Looks more like a Fark fail to me. Fark geek cred hereby revoked.
 
2012-12-19 01:19:08 PM
Your fantasy football team.
Your dream last night.
Your last marathon.

I think we can also add.

Your touch typing ability.
 
2012-12-19 01:19:57 PM

DjangoStonereaver: It was for a magazine subscription processing service on an OOOOOLLLLLDDDDD (even by mid 1980s


I have a similar CSB working for a bank transcribing auto loan applications that had been filled out by hand and faxed in. I remember going in for the interview at the local temp agency, and them having me take a quick set of computer tests. When they saw my typing speed, they stopped and offered me the job on the spot. I don't know that I increased in speed appreciably while working there. But I definitely got more proficient at typing and carrying on a conversation simultaneously.
 
2012-12-19 01:24:36 PM

stpauler: I'm so glad English is the only language in the world because otherwise that keyboard would be beyond stupid. I'm also happy that QWERTY typing is the only way to do it or else that keyboard would be beyond stupid.
/Beyond stupid.
//Somewhere over there.


I'm so glad keyboard layout isn't controlled in software, or else your pose would be beyond stupid.
 
2012-12-19 01:25:04 PM

AbiNormal: The ultimate hipster accessory.

/Is there anything those douche bags haven't contaminated?


Not sure if it can qualify as a hipster approved device unless it's made of 100% fair trade, green certified recycled condoms or something similar.
 
2012-12-19 01:25:55 PM

HeartBurnKid: How cute, subby just discovered that there are higher end keyboards available than the one that came with his Mac.


BAHAHAHAHA!
 
2012-12-19 01:28:09 PM
I already have enough trouble finding the 'any' key when I want to continue...
This will make it impossible!
 
2012-12-19 01:29:49 PM

amo: Even most of the new college grads I worked with in office jobs in the past couple years, who have had QWERTY keyboards at their disposal since childhood, couldn't touch type. Call that a non-representative sample if you'd like, but somehow I doubt it.


I'm about that age, and I (and all of my friends) can touch-type easily. The only thing I look at keyboard markings for are unique functions (my laptop goes to sleep if I hit Function+F12, or toggles the touchpad with Function+F3, for example). I rarely look at the keyboard for normal typing.
 
2012-12-19 01:30:20 PM

Explodo: Keyboards without labels are for the completely douchey who feel the need to show their superiority by making their computers hard to use for others.


Yeah!!!! Suck it!
 
2012-12-19 01:31:27 PM
I have always wanted one of those.  There, I said it.  I think they are awesome.  Although, I may have problems with some symbols....
 
2012-12-19 01:38:08 PM
Add me to the "I have one at home" crowd. Had a cheaper mechanical keyboard at work for awhile, too, but I usually eat lunch at my desk, and you can't really send mechanical boards through the dishwasher like you can with the cheapie membrane switch boards. :(

/ 105-110 wpm pretty consistently.
// After corrections. Would probably be 120+ if I was more accurate.
 
2012-12-19 01:38:28 PM
I was disappointed Frogpad didn't catch on.

/Hmm, they have an i-pad app. I'd try an android app.
//The price is coming down for stand alone devices, from $250 when they launched to $140.
 
2012-12-19 01:41:58 PM
A well made keyboard with good tactile response is essential to a really good user experience. I like the fact that this Das Keyboard weighs about three pounds; I'll bet it has a really solid feel to it. Since you can get the same model with cap labels (laser-etched!) the whole blank keyboard = hipster/douche is negated.
Cheap, light-weight keyboards, while functional, are not pleasant to use. I like the looks of Das Keyboard.

Why this hasn't been posted yet, I don't know, but it's obligatory.
img441.imageshack.us
 
2012-12-19 01:42:32 PM

thomps: ekdikeo4: thomps: amo: Touch typists still exist, but we're rare enough that most people boggle at my keyboard.


wtf are you talking about? touch typing is more prevalent now than ever, unless your definition only includes people who feel the need to alert the world to their amazing ability to type without looking at a keyboard by painting keys.


hmm. i think that although a lot of people are capable of touch typing, that they currently rely quite a bit on the markings on the keyboard, and would have to take some time to adjust to it.

i would venture to guess that most people under the age of 30 that grew up with computers could type with ease without markings (aside from the bumps on the f and j keys, i suppose). typing has become a primary means of communication as opposed to something you learn in a middle school class and then forget.


I normally position my hands slightly weirdly, and usually do it subconsciously while looking at the keyboard.. i tend to float wherever rather than over the f and j.  i can type almost "properly" if i force myself to, but i tend to go faster when i'm doing it on my own which is some sort of 3-finger and 2-finger combination.  It looks pretty weird when people see me doing it because although my left hand mostly stays in place, my right hand moves all over the right hand side of the keyboard.
 
2012-12-19 01:43:13 PM

incendi: Gold plating is great for preventing corrosion.


And how important is that in mechanical switches on a computer keyboard? In thirty years I've never had one keyboard key fail on me due to corrosion.
 
amo [TotalFark]
2012-12-19 01:43:47 PM

gunther_bumpass: Typing snob fight.


You're damn right! lol
 

HMS_Blinkin: amo: Even most of the new college grads I worked with in office jobs in the past couple years, who have had QWERTY keyboards at their disposal since childhood, couldn't touch type. Call that a non-representative sample if you'd like, but somehow I doubt it.

I'm about that age, and I (and all of my friends) can touch-type easily. The only thing I look at keyboard markings for are unique functions (my laptop goes to sleep if I hit Function+F12, or toggles the touchpad with Function+F3, for example). I rarely look at the keyboard for normal typing.


If you're looking at the keyboard, you're not touch typing.
 
And... I'm sorry, laptop keyboards aren't proper keyboards anymore than a Casio VL-Tone is an adequate substitute for a piano. Every brand is different, sometimes even models within a brand are different, there are proprietary keys all over the place... when you sit down at a standard 101- or 102-key keyboard, you know where everything is, no eyeballs needed.
 
amo [TotalFark]
2012-12-19 01:47:35 PM

red5ish: A well made keyboard with good tactile response is essential to a really good user experience. I like the fact that this Das Keyboard weighs about three pounds; I'll bet it has a really solid feel to it. 

 
Oh it does. As I said before, worth every penny. Mine is pushing 5 years now, and the only thing "wrong" with it is I've polished some of the keys from matte to shiny. It's a battleaxe.

 
 
2012-12-19 01:50:11 PM
That is a good looking keyboard.
img801.imageshack.us
 
2012-12-19 01:55:50 PM

poot_rootbeer: And how important is that in mechanical switches on a computer keyboard? In thirty years I've never had one keyboard key fail on me due to corrosion.



Probably not all that critical, to be honest, especially if used regularly. But gold plating is really pretty cheap and if you're going to go the extra mile in all the other places, and are already asking the customer to pay a premium, the cost-benefits analysis of eliminating that small percentage of failures ends up in the right place.
 
2012-12-19 01:57:31 PM

SuperT: I have an IBM M keyboard. I just need a way to plug it in to a usb port. hrm....


www.recycledgoods.com

I used to have a model M as well, but it eventually stopped working reliably, so I replaced it with the one pictured. It's got such a satisfying "clack" sound to it.

It's also ps/2, but fortunately my computer still has those ports. However, ps/2 to usb adapters are really not hard to come by -- although I guess you'd probably find a lot more going the wrong way (female USB - male ps/2)
 
2012-12-19 01:57:39 PM

Explodo: Keyboards without labels are for the completely douchey who feel the need to show their superiority by making their computers hard to use for others.


People who write a lot of code like them because it helps them force themselves to type faster and more accurately, and with the clicky action of the keys they know for sure if they missed a press. So there are people for whom this is practical.
 
2012-12-19 01:58:29 PM
A real man wears the labels off.
 
2012-12-19 01:59:00 PM

amo: Oh it does. As I said before, worth every penny. Mine is pushing 5 years now, and the only thing "wrong" with it is I've polished some of the keys from matte to shiny. It's a battleaxe.


I'm convinced. I do like a solid keyboard. I learned to type on a manual typewriter (I am an old, old, very old man) and I tend to hit keys a little harder than those who learned on electrics or on computer keyboards. I've managed to lighten up my touch over the years but there have been times when co-workers have stopped and stared when they heard and saw me typing at full speed on a good keyboard. "You're going to break it!" is a common remark. (I've never broken a keyboard.) I'm not the fastest typist (average ~60wmp) but I don't do transcription for a living. I can't compose as fast as I type so 60wpm gets the job done.
 
2012-12-19 01:59:22 PM
I have a black das keyboard. It isn't the lack of labels that makes it expensive but the key switches and overall high quality.
 
2012-12-19 02:02:44 PM
Mechanical keyboards should all be banned from the workplace. All keyboards must be the silent laptop style so the incessant clicking doesnt make go on a rampage.
 
2012-12-19 02:08:41 PM

Donnchadha: SuperT: I have an IBM M keyboard. I just need a way to plug it in to a usb port. hrm....

[www.recycledgoods.com image 640x480]

I used to have a model M as well, but it eventually stopped working reliably, so I replaced it with the one pictured. It's got such a satisfying "clack" sound to it.

It's also ps/2, but fortunately my computer still has those ports. However, ps/2 to usb adapters are really not hard to come by -- although I guess you'd probably find a lot more going the wrong way (female USB - male ps/2)


I'd be going from AT to USB.
 
2012-12-19 02:09:25 PM
Oh good lord! Open a window. It smells like virgins in here.
 
2012-12-19 02:11:04 PM

SuperT: Donnchadha: SuperT: I have an IBM M keyboard. I just need a way to plug it in to a usb port. hrm....

[www.recycledgoods.com image 640x480]

I used to have a model M as well, but it eventually stopped working reliably, so I replaced it with the one pictured. It's got such a satisfying "clack" sound to it.

It's also ps/2, but fortunately my computer still has those ports. However, ps/2 to usb adapters are really not hard to come by -- although I guess you'd probably find a lot more going the wrong way (female USB - male ps/2)

I'd be going from AT to USB.


Use ALL the adapters _ó/
 
2012-12-19 02:11:26 PM
Congratulation Fark, you made me actually say out loud to myself "Wow, what a bunch of ridiculous nerds." And I get into long conversations with my friends regarding the viability of the archaeologist class in Nethack.
 
2012-12-19 02:14:03 PM
I have the labeled quiet version of that keyboard. In fact, I'm typing on it now.

It's great. I suggest you try it and shut your whore mouth.
 
2012-12-19 02:19:34 PM
I have a Model M at work, production date 1987... still works great. I wouldn't mind having another one for home, but I can get along with the cheapie that I have for now.

On the laptop front, it's disappointing to see the TrackPoint vanish from newer machines, and I farking hate the new "chiclet" style keyboards with flat-topped keys. Sculptured keytops are much better for my touch-typing.
 
2012-12-19 02:24:30 PM

RangerTaylor: And I get into long conversations with my friends regarding the viability of the archaeologist class in Nethack.


I'm gonna go with "If you've verified the viability of the archaeologist class (by ascending), you're probably lying about the friends bit."


 
 
2012-12-19 02:25:59 PM

Swoop1809: Mechanical keyboards should all be banned from the workplace. All keyboards must be the silent laptop style so the incessant clicking doesnt make go on a rampage.


Pretty much this. A guy in our office brought in one of these keyboards and the thing sounds almost as loud as a typewriter. It annoys the hell out of everyone.

And the build quality is nothing special either - it feels like any other shiatty plastic keyboard
 
2012-12-19 02:26:57 PM
I got a daskeyboard from my brother for my birthday a few years back. He later borrowed it while I was at work and took it with him when he moved to another state.

Best keyboard I ever had.

RexTalionis: I should dig up my IBM Model M keyboard. It's somewhere in my parent's house. Has a serial plug in it, so I think it's the model from the 80s.


That is what I've been using since my daskeyboard was pilfered. It still works, it is still good, and I'm not ready to drop a hundred bucks on a replacement.
 
2012-12-19 02:48:47 PM

Nofun: $130?  Pfft, amateurs!


I'll see your $300 keyboard and raise you the $1500 keyboard with transparent keys and an OLED display under each.
 
2012-12-19 03:06:48 PM
аи лернед хау ту точ таип ин рошан уид уан ов доз. нау иф аи колд онли лерн рошан...
 
2012-12-19 03:11:12 PM
Kids these days cannot touch type. Their form is terrible and they look at the keys constantly.

They type mostly on cell phones, which is the main reason they cannot spell either.
 
2012-12-19 03:40:12 PM
Explodo: Keyboards without labels are for the completely douchey who feel the need to show their superiority by making their computers hard to use for others.

Why the hell are "others" doing using my computer?

// my mouse speed is also cranked up through the stratosphere. I spent countless hours in my youth playing Quake/2/3, tribes, mechwarrior, etc. I has mousing skills.
 
2012-12-19 03:55:34 PM

Teufelaffe: Nofun: $130?  Pfft, amateurs!

I'll see your $300 keyboard and raise you the $1500 keyboard with transparent keys and an OLED display under each.


Do you have one? I note that the release date on the linked site was in 2007, but the Optimus Maximus was also listed as "Not Available".
 
2012-12-19 03:56:27 PM

Wenchmaster: Teufelaffe: Nofun: $130?  Pfft, amateurs!

I'll see your $300 keyboard and raise you the $1500 keyboard with transparent keys and an OLED display under each.

Do you have one? I note that the release date on the linked site was in 2007, but the Optimus Maximus was also listed as "Not Available".


I do not. Think Geek was selling them for a while, but they appear to be gone from TG's site.
 
2012-12-19 03:57:37 PM
I can type about as fast as I can compose a thought, and what really limits my bandwidth is fussing over the choice of words and making sure the punctuation is correct. Unless you are doing transcription, data entry, or are Stephen King, I don't really see what having and 80 wpm+ output gains you in the real world.
 
2012-12-19 04:02:07 PM

DjangoStonereaver: thomps: ekdikeo4: thomps: amo: Touch typists still exist, but we're rare enough that most people boggle at my keyboard.


wtf are you talking about? touch typing is more prevalent now than ever, unless your definition only includes people who feel the need to alert the world to their amazing ability to type without looking at a keyboard by painting keys.


hmm. i think that although a lot of people are capable of touch typing, that they currently rely quite a bit on the markings on the keyboard, and would have to take some time to adjust to it.

i would venture to guess that most people under the age of 30 that grew up with computers could type with ease without markings (aside from the bumps on the f and j keys, i suppose). typing has become a primary means of communication as opposed to something you learn in a middle school class and then forget.


I think you're your confusing comfort with using the interface with skill in using it.  Even for people who
grew up with computer, most people need to actually think about what they're entering, and that takes
thought that slows down the mechanical process of entry.  For me, a touch typist is someone who is
practiced enough that they can think about other things and form whole words, rather than one letter
at a time.
 
The main reason I can type as fast as I do is that I took a full year of professional typing classes in
high school (if you have ever seen my handwriting you'll know why), but what really pushed me into the
stratosphere is the 3 years I was a data entry clerk.  Though we weren't paid by the keystroke, we were
judged on how much work we got done in a shift, and it got to the point where everyone in my office
was able to have very serious conversations while we were all clacking away.  I think a couple of times
my key speed came close to 100WPM toward the end of my time there.


So you are saying you spent money learning to touch type when you could have just played muds? Seriously, you want to learn to type fast & accurately play a mud for a few years.
 
2012-12-19 04:16:39 PM
Subby, just FYI... Most mechanical keyboards cost this much. It's not some hipster thing, or a tech geek thing, it's just that it's a mechanical keyboard, more expensive to make.
 
2012-12-19 04:21:12 PM

GAT_00: incendi: Frederick: You might be doing it wrong.


There appear to be some issues with the new commenting thingy, especially if you switch between modes and preview.


You also can't left click in it to correct spelling mistakes, which is a major problem.  Or at least I can't.


I'm not seeing this. I have been able to correct spelling mistakes and didn't even know that there was a new comment box. What browser are you on? Chrome 'seems' to be working...
 
amo [TotalFark]
2012-12-19 04:22:56 PM

Kazrath: So you are saying you spent money learning to touch type when you could have just played muds? Seriously, you want to learn to type fast & accurately play a mud for a few years.


MUDs, while awesome, will not teach you proper form. Your alcoholic typing teacher knows what she's doing. Learn from her. You can type much faster with good form than you can without.
 
2012-12-19 04:26:38 PM
I just recently gave my blank DAS Keyboard to my brother. All he does is CLI administration, he is a real typy-type, and he loves it. The damn thing was just too hard to keep clean. That said, it was a pretty enjoyable keyboard to type on, and it was neat looking, until you touched the glossy part, or it got dust on it, then it looked like crap.
 
2012-12-19 04:34:40 PM
I got a fairly nice mechanical keyboard last year but the micro-usb port on the back was a massive liability - snapped off the circuit board and now I'm stuck with a $100 decoy for my cats.
 
2012-12-19 05:12:52 PM
I've used the goldtouch split keyboard for a couple years now, ever since a wrist injury just wouldn't heal. Got the split keyboard, played around with the angle for a bit, and my wrist healed up just fine. Can't recommend them enough if you type all day.

I forced myself to learn to touch type back on IRC in the early 90's by moving all the keys around. Also kept other people from using my computer. Would try to see how many different messages I could write.

Now that I've been a working as a programmer for 10 years, I've learned to find ALL the keys, so a blank keyboard wouldn't be a problem.
 
2012-12-19 05:13:51 PM

DjangoStonereaver: Meh.  I can type 75WPM (when I'm in practice), and even I need to look at the key labels fairly often.
 
I prefer Northgate or original IBM PC or PC/AT keyboards, and computers with PS/2 connectors.  All are
becoming much harder to find.


csb time:

Our paralegal hated the keyboards that came with the latest batch of computers our boss bought. She used to type with an IBM Correcting Selectric Typewriter AND an OLD NCR rig from way back. Didn't compain about the Compaqs, but the keyboards on the Dells and HPs he bought thereafter are so light that she can't "feel" the keys when she types.

Luckily we had another computer whose keyboard resembled something close to the keyboards she used to use. Always wondered if the Das keyboards would resemble something that she would've used with the typewriter or the PC/AT keyboards of back in the day.
 
2012-12-19 05:15:57 PM

Tr0mBoNe: I spray painted my keyboard black when I was in High School to make me learn to type by feel.
 
I was a very interesting child.


I was one of the last classes in HS to learn touch-typing. Still LMAO at some people that type with just their index fingers; and not touch-typing either, like they want to slam the key right through the board.
 
2012-12-19 05:18:14 PM
I can just imagine people typing responses to this thread as fast as they humanly can.

/uses a $20 dynex keyboard
//touch types
 
2012-12-19 05:33:09 PM

SuperT: I have an IBM M keyboard. I just need a way to plug it in to a usb port. hrm....

 
 
I had to replace my Model M's with Unicomp USB Model M's. These feel like the real deal. I love them.
 
2012-12-19 06:01:10 PM
I have one and it's terrific. Unfortunately, it just stopped enumerating on USB suddenly after about 3 months. Haven't gotten around to taking care of it yet.

/<3 Cherry MX blues
 
2012-12-19 06:04:23 PM

ProfessorOhki: I have one and it's terrific. Unfortunately, it just stopped enumerating on USB suddenly after about 3 months. Haven't gotten around to taking care of it yet.

/<3 Cherry MX blues


And for what it's worth, I got the lableless one because I'm sick of having "asdcl" being half worn off and looking like crap. Might as well forgo them altogether (or get etched/two-layer cutout ones). Still no cure for rubbing the texture off the spacebar though.
 
amo [TotalFark]
2012-12-19 06:08:10 PM

ProfessorOhki: ProfessorOhki: I have one and it's terrific. Unfortunately, it just stopped enumerating on USB suddenly after about 3 months. Haven't gotten around to taking care of it yet.

/<3 Cherry MX blues

And for what it's worth, I got the lableless one because I'm sick of having "asdcl" being half worn off and looking like crap. Might as well forgo them altogether (or get etched/two-layer cutout ones). Still no cure for rubbing the texture off the spacebar though.



I've rubbed the texture off other keys too, especially those on the home row. But on the Das Keyboard, black shiny on black matte is barely noticeable. They sell replacement keycaps if it really bothers you that much.
 
2012-12-19 06:18:30 PM
Does anyone still sell a keyboard with the characters recessed (inscribed? whatever) so that the paint doesn't wear off?
 
2012-12-19 06:20:37 PM
Das Keyboard?
(clicks link)
Yeah, old news is so exciting.
 
2012-12-19 06:24:51 PM

pciszek: Does anyone still sell a keyboard with the characters recessed (inscribed? whatever) so that the paint doesn't wear off?


The keyboard in question, Das Keyboard, offers a model with laser-etched symbols/characters, so yes.
 
2012-12-19 06:26:12 PM

amo: Tr0mBoNe: I spray painted my keyboard black when I was in High School to make me learn to type by feel.
 
I was a very interesting child.


*internet high-five* I used white fingernail polish. Not the best security ever, but quite effective against certain types. Drove my mother up the wall. ("You've ruined that keyboard. Why would you do that? Now no one can use it." Yeah, no one but me.) Touch typists still exist, but we're rare enough that most people boggle at my keyboard. "How do you use it?" is the most common response. Um, much like a regular keyboard, you push a button, and the corresponding character appears on the screen.


I touch type about 100 words per minute.

Basically using two fingers.

Yeah, I don't know how I do it either.
 
2012-12-19 06:34:00 PM
For those who are interested in *why* these keyboards are so awesome, here's a pretty good guide put together at overclock.net regarding mechanical keyboards:

http://www.overclock.net/t/491752/mechanical-keyboard-guide
 
2012-12-19 06:42:06 PM
I used to want a keyboard with no labels until I realized how awesome backlit keys are.
 
2012-12-19 06:45:21 PM

Geotpf: amo: Tr0mBoNe: I spray painted my keyboard black when I was in High School to make me learn to type by feel.
 
I was a very interesting child.


*internet high-five* I used white fingernail polish. Not the best security ever, but quite effective against certain types. Drove my mother up the wall. ("You've ruined that keyboard. Why would you do that? Now no one can use it." Yeah, no one but me.) Touch typists still exist, but we're rare enough that most people boggle at my keyboard. "How do you use it?" is the most common response. Um, much like a regular keyboard, you push a button, and the corresponding character appears on the screen.

I touch type about 100 words per minute.

Basically using two fingers.

Yeah, I don't know how I do it either.


a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a
 
2012-12-19 06:58:27 PM

DjangoStonereaver: Meh.  I can type 75WPM (when I'm in practice), and even I need to look at the key labels fairly often.
 
I prefer Northgate or original IBM PC or PC/AT keyboards, and computers with PS/2 connectors.  All are
becoming much harder to find.


Not so much....

Link Clickety Pop indeed...
 
2012-12-19 07:09:02 PM
casual disregard: I used to want a keyboard with no labels until I realized how awesome backlit keys are.

Hmm, now I want frosted semi transparent keys with no labels and blue LEDs softly glowing behind them.
 
2012-12-19 07:49:56 PM

Kazrath: DjangoStonereaver: thomps: ekdikeo4: thomps: amo: Touch typists still exist, but we're rare enough that most people boggle at my keyboard.


wtf are you talking about? touch typing is more prevalent now than ever, unless your definition only includes people who feel the need to alert the world to their amazing ability to type without looking at a keyboard by painting keys.


hmm. i think that although a lot of people are capable of touch typing, that they currently rely quite a bit on the markings on the keyboard, and would have to take some time to adjust to it.

i would venture to guess that most people under the age of 30 that grew up with computers could type with ease without markings (aside from the bumps on the f and j keys, i suppose). typing has become a primary means of communication as opposed to something you learn in a middle school class and then forget.


I think you're your confusing comfort with using the interface with skill in using it.  Even for people who
grew up with computer, most people need to actually think about what they're entering, and that takes
thought that slows down the mechanical process of entry.  For me, a touch typist is someone who is
practiced enough that they can think about other things and form whole words, rather than one letter
at a time.
 
The main reason I can type as fast as I do is that I took a full year of professional typing classes in
high school (if you have ever seen my handwriting you'll know why), but what really pushed me into the
stratosphere is the 3 years I was a data entry clerk.  Though we weren't paid by the keystroke, we were
judged on how much work we got done in a shift, and it got to the point where everyone in my office
was able to have very serious conversations while we were all clacking away.  I think a couple of times
my key speed came close to 100WPM toward the end of my time there.

So you are saying you spent money learning to touch type when you could have just played muds? Seriously, you ...



I could type fast only slightly before the invention of MUDs, so your argument is invalid.
 
2012-12-19 07:54:00 PM

Rwa2play: DjangoStonereaver: Meh.  I can type 75WPM (when I'm in practice), and even I need to look at the key labels fairly often.
 
I prefer Northgate or original IBM PC or PC/AT keyboards, and computers with PS/2 connectors.  All are
becoming much harder to find.

csb time:

Our paralegal hated the keyboards that came with the latest batch of computers our boss bought. She used to type with an IBM Correcting Selectric Typewriter AND an OLD NCR rig from way back. Didn't compain about the Compaqs, but the keyboards on the Dells and HPs he bought thereafter are so light that she can't "feel" the keys when she types.

Luckily we had another computer whose keyboard resembled something close to the keyboards she used to use. Always wondered if the Das keyboards would resemble something that she would've used with the typewriter or the PC/AT keyboards of back in the day.


When we first set up the main computer in our house, I tried to put a PC/AT keyboard on it but my wife made me put a
newer, less clacky, keyboard on it in short order because she haded the noise.  That keyboard sits happily on my
Crunchbang Linux box in our basement however.

I know what they mean about the newer Dell & HP keyboards.  They're practically flat pieces of plastic, but the Dell
multimedia keyboards from about 2005 were probably the best mass-market keyboards of recent years.
 
2012-12-19 08:14:10 PM
Amateurs

/ Not for the faint of wallet.
 
2012-12-19 08:15:16 PM

sunblock_suppository: You aren't paying for the labels or lack of labels. You're paying for gold-plated mechanical keyswitches with good tactile and auditory feedback. They are harder to make and require more expensive parts than the silent mushboards that Cherry somehow profits on at $8 retail.

Northgate Omni Evo on my desk.

/and a spare in storage
//and a couple of PI engineering xkeys for gratuitous extra buttons


As someone looking for a quality keyboard, what can you recommend that is solid but silent? Das or better action would be great but louder than the standard Logitech is a no go.
 
2012-12-19 08:23:59 PM

Explodo: Keyboards without labels are for the completely douchey who feel the need to show their superiority by making their computers hard to use for others.


Actually, I feel the need to make my computer hard to use for others because fark you go use your own computer. Therefore I get a keyboard that makes others feel inferior, even if they get angry and stick their lip out and call me a douche. So your causality is wrong but your pouting is cute.
 
2012-12-19 08:36:58 PM

RexTalionis: Tr0mBoNe: I spray painted my keyboard black when I was in High School to make me learn to type by feel.
 
I was a very interesting child.


Couldn't you just not look at the keys like everybody else who touchtypes?


No, because he was an attention whore - I mean "interesting child"
 
2012-12-19 08:39:03 PM

Wulfman:
Actually, I feel the need to make my computer hard to use for others because fark you go use your own computer. Therefore I get a keyboard that makes others feel inferior, even if they get angry and stick their lip out and call me a douche. So your causality is wrong but your pouting is cute.


Meanwhile I remote desktop into your machine, set it to left handed Dvorak then laugh and laugh.
 
2012-12-19 09:00:34 PM
As a man with a 700 dollar keyboard I am getting a kick out of these posts...
 
2012-12-19 09:16:54 PM

DjangoStonereaver: Rwa2play: DjangoStonereaver: Meh.  I can type 75WPM (when I'm in practice), and even I need to look at the key labels fairly often.

I prefer Northgate or original IBM PC or PC/AT keyboards, and computers with PS/2 connectors.  All are
becoming much harder to find.

csb time:

Our paralegal hated the keyboards that came with the latest batch of computers our boss bought. She used to type with an IBM Correcting Selectric Typewriter AND an OLD NCR rig from way back. Didn't compain about the Compaqs, but the keyboards on the Dells and HPs he bought thereafter are so light that she can't "feel" the keys when she types.

Luckily we had another computer whose keyboard resembled something close to the keyboards she used to use. Always wondered if the Das keyboards would resemble something that she would've used with the typewriter or the PC/AT keyboards of back in the day.

When we first set up the main computer in our house, I tried to put a PC/AT keyboard on it but my wife made me put a
newer, less clacky, keyboard on it in short order because she haded the noise.  That keyboard sits happily on my
Crunchbang Linux box in our basement however.


This is the Dell keyboard she uses. May not resemble the classic IBM 'boards of the past but she likes using it.
 
2012-12-19 09:18:32 PM

fluffy2097: Wulfman:
Actually, I feel the need to make my computer hard to use for others because fark you go use your own computer. Therefore I get a keyboard that makes others feel inferior, even if they get angry and stick their lip out and call me a douche. So your causality is wrong but your pouting is cute.

Meanwhile I remote desktop into your machine, set it to left handed Dvorak then laugh and laugh.


Well despite the fact that you couldn't do that, even if you did it's easy to change back just using the mouse.
 
2012-12-19 09:20:54 PM

Rwa2play: DjangoStonereaver: Rwa2play: DjangoStonereaver: Meh.  I can type 75WPM (when I'm in practice), and even I need to look at the key labels fairly often.

I prefer Northgate or original IBM PC or PC/AT keyboards, and computers with PS/2 connectors.  All are
becoming much harder to find.

csb time:

Our paralegal hated the keyboards that came with the latest batch of computers our boss bought. She used to type with an IBM Correcting Selectric Typewriter AND an OLD NCR rig from way back. Didn't compain about the Compaqs, but the keyboards on the Dells and HPs he bought thereafter are so light that she can't "feel" the keys when she types.

Luckily we had another computer whose keyboard resembled something close to the keyboards she used to use. Always wondered if the Das keyboards would resemble something that she would've used with the typewriter or the PC/AT keyboards of back in the day.

When we first set up the main computer in our house, I tried to put a PC/AT keyboard on it but my wife made me put a
newer, less clacky, keyboard on it in short order because she haded the noise.  That keyboard sits happily on my
Crunchbang Linux box in our basement however.

This is the Dell keyboard she uses. May not resemble the classic IBM 'boards of the past but she likes using it.


I have a Dell keyboard also, but it's a model M made by Lexmark.

www.clickykeyboard.com
 
2012-12-19 09:22:38 PM

Tr0mBoNe: I spray painted my keyboard black when I was in High School to make me learn to type by feel.

I was a very interesting child.


Wow, as unique as the keyboards in my high school's typing class. Hardcore man, hardcore.
 
2012-12-19 09:58:56 PM

Hand Banana: Rwa2play: DjangoStonereaver: Rwa2play: DjangoStonereaver: Meh.  I can type 75WPM (when I'm in practice), and even I need to look at the key labels fairly often.

I prefer Northgate or original IBM PC or PC/AT keyboards, and computers with PS/2 connectors.  All are
becoming much harder to find.

csb time:

Our paralegal hated the keyboards that came with the latest batch of computers our boss bought. She used to type with an IBM Correcting Selectric Typewriter AND an OLD NCR rig from way back. Didn't compain about the Compaqs, but the keyboards on the Dells and HPs he bought thereafter are so light that she can't "feel" the keys when she types.

Luckily we had another computer whose keyboard resembled something close to the keyboards she used to use. Always wondered if the Das keyboards would resemble something that she would've used with the typewriter or the PC/AT keyboards of back in the day.

When we first set up the main computer in our house, I tried to put a PC/AT keyboard on it but my wife made me put a
newer, less clacky, keyboard on it in short order because she haded the noise.  That keyboard sits happily on my
Crunchbang Linux box in our basement however.

This is the Dell keyboard she uses. May not resemble the classic IBM 'boards of the past but she likes using it.

I have a Dell keyboard also, but it's a model M made by Lexmark.

[www.clickykeyboard.com image 400x300]


Question: Wouldn't IBM make a killing from selling an updated version (for use on XP onward/Mac) of the Model M; both a genuine Model M and a customizable Model M?
 
2012-12-19 10:03:11 PM

Ed Grubermann: SuperT: I have an IBM M keyboard. I just need a way to plug it in to a usb port. hrm....


I had to replace my Model M's with Unicomp USB Model M's. These feel like the real deal. I love them.


As long as they're buckling-spring, they are the real deal (and those are). What I'm still waiting for is a modern buckling spring keyboard with USB connector, but without a number pad (tenkeyless).

Until then, I continue on with my IBM Spacesaver M and a ps/2->USB converter...
 
2012-12-19 10:07:01 PM

Rwa2play: Question: Wouldn't IBM make a killing from selling an updated version (for use on XP onward/Mac) of the Model M; both a genuine Model M and a customizable Model M?


IBM sold the rights to the Model M to Unicomp in the mid 90's and they're not making a killing with it. Keyboards today are disposable to most people.
 
2012-12-19 10:28:43 PM

RexTalionis: Tr0mBoNe: I spray painted my keyboard black when I was in High School to make me learn to type by feel.

I was a very interesting child.


Couldn't you just not look at the keys like everybody else who touchtypes?


He liked to cheat himself.
 
2012-12-20 12:18:08 AM

Tr0mBoNe: I spray painted my keyboard black when I was in High School to make me learn to type by feel.

I was a very interesting child.


You learned how to type in highschool? Pfft, amateur!
 
2012-12-20 12:48:10 AM

Rwa2play: Hand Banana: Rwa2play: DjangoStonereaver: Rwa2play: DjangoStonereaver: Meh.  I can type 75WPM (when I'm in practice), and even I need to look at the key labels fairly often.

I prefer Northgate or original IBM PC or PC/AT keyboards, and computers with PS/2 connectors.  All are
becoming much harder to find.

csb time:

Our paralegal hated the keyboards that came with the latest batch of computers our boss bought. She used to type with an IBM Correcting Selectric Typewriter AND an OLD NCR rig from way back. Didn't compain about the Compaqs, but the keyboards on the Dells and HPs he bought thereafter are so light that she can't "feel" the keys when she types.

Luckily we had another computer whose keyboard resembled something close to the keyboards she used to use. Always wondered if the Das keyboards would resemble something that she would've used with the typewriter or the PC/AT keyboards of back in the day.

When we first set up the main computer in our house, I tried to put a PC/AT keyboard on it but my wife made me put a
newer, less clacky, keyboard on it in short order because she haded the noise.  That keyboard sits happily on my
Crunchbang Linux box in our basement however.

This is the Dell keyboard she uses. May not resemble the classic IBM 'boards of the past but she likes using it.

I have a Dell keyboard also, but it's a model M made by Lexmark.

[www.clickykeyboard.com image 400x300]

Question: Wouldn't IBM make a killing from selling an updated version (for use on XP onward/Mac) of the Model M; both a genuine Model M and a customizable Model M?


IBM sold their keyboard division to Lexmark, and it was later sold to Unicomp who still make them to this day. Probably one of the only keyboards you can buy that are still made in the USA. I don't think they make all that much money on them though, most people are content with the cheap keyboards that come with their computer. Mechanical keyboards have made a comeback in the last few years though.
 
2012-12-20 01:03:43 AM

amo: <p>I have an older Das Keyboard without labels. </p>

<p> </p>

<p>Worth. Every. Penny.</p>

<p> </p>

<p><sub><small>labels are for sissies</small></sub></p>


Same here. Typing this on it. Love it.
 
2012-12-20 01:09:57 AM

Donnchadha: SuperT: I have an IBM M keyboard. I just need a way to plug it in to a usb port. hrm....

[www.recycledgoods.com image 640x480]

I used to have a model M as well, but it eventually stopped working reliably, so I replaced it with the one pictured. It's got such a satisfying "clack" sound to it.


Oh, the old SGI axe. I have a whole stack of them at work from when we ditched all our SGI equipment. They're so nice, only ours are really dirty from being typed on by generations of grad students.
 
2012-12-20 01:14:40 AM

ProfessorOhki: Still no cure for rubbing the texture off the spacebar though.


Mine has an about 2mm deep indentation right in the middle of the case underneath the spacebar, where my thumbs rest. I've had it for six years or so.
 
2012-12-20 04:11:08 AM

Tr0mBoNe: I spray painted my keyboard black when I was in High School to make me learn to type by feel.

I was a very interesting child.


I had to learn to touch-type when I worked as a software localizer, and I had to translate texts from English to French using English keyboards. Alt-shift to change the layout from QWERTY to AZERTY, and gain access to accent keys. Since then, I've been able to type fairly quickly without looking at the keyboard OR the screen.
 
2012-12-20 06:14:25 AM

SuperT: I have an IBM M keyboard. I just need a way to plug it in to a usb port. hrm....


I used on of these for my Unicomp. adapter Not sure if that is the right adapter to usb for you or not. Just recently replaced my unicomp with a keyboard from wasd keyboards. They have quite a few options for keys.
 
2012-12-20 07:50:57 AM

Rwa2play: DjangoStonereaver: Rwa2play: DjangoStonereaver: Meh.  I can type 75WPM (when I'm in practice), and even I need to look at the key labels fairly often.

I prefer Northgate or original IBM PC or PC/AT keyboards, and computers with PS/2 connectors.  All are
becoming much harder to find.

csb time:

Our paralegal hated the keyboards that came with the latest batch of computers our boss bought. She used to type with an IBM Correcting Selectric Typewriter AND an OLD NCR rig from way back. Didn't compain about the Compaqs, but the keyboards on the Dells and HPs he bought thereafter are so light that she can't "feel" the keys when she types.

Luckily we had another computer whose keyboard resembled something close to the keyboards she used to use. Always wondered if the Das keyboards would resemble something that she would've used with the typewriter or the PC/AT keyboards of back in the day.

When we first set up the main computer in our house, I tried to put a PC/AT keyboard on it but my wife made me put a
newer, less clacky, keyboard on it in short order because she haded the noise.  That keyboard sits happily on my
Crunchbang Linux box in our basement however.

This is the Dell keyboard she uses. May not resemble the classic IBM 'boards of the past but she likes using it.


That's not a bad one, either.  This is the one I was talking about:
 
support.dell.com
 
Which is, I believe, uses the same key switches in a somewhat more beefy body with an integraded
media control package.
 
Much better tactile feel than the current model Dell keyboards:
 
i.dell.com
 
Which are, I believe, rebranded Logitechs.
 
2012-12-20 09:14:06 AM
I prefer Model M-style buckling springs: built like tanks with a sound to match. But mechanical switches are also great.
 
2012-12-20 09:57:17 AM
Link

I have a few of these for my model M's and they work, but for now, all my ASUS MB's have PS/2 connections.
 
2012-12-20 10:00:31 AM

DjangoStonereaver: Rwa2play: DjangoStonereaver: Rwa2play: DjangoStonereaver: Meh.  I can type 75WPM (when I'm in practice), and even I need to look at the key labels fairly often.

I prefer Northgate or original IBM PC or PC/AT keyboards, and computers with PS/2 connectors.  All are
becoming much harder to find.

csb time:

Our paralegal hated the keyboards that came with the latest batch of computers our boss bought. She used to type with an IBM Correcting Selectric Typewriter AND an OLD NCR rig from way back. Didn't compain about the Compaqs, but the keyboards on the Dells and HPs he bought thereafter are so light that she can't "feel" the keys when she types.

Luckily we had another computer whose keyboard resembled something close to the keyboards she used to use. Always wondered if the Das keyboards would resemble something that she would've used with the typewriter or the PC/AT keyboards of back in the day.

When we first set up the main computer in our house, I tried to put a PC/AT keyboard on it but my wife made me put a
newer, less clacky, keyboard on it in short order because she haded the noise.  That keyboard sits happily on my
Crunchbang Linux box in our basement however.

This is the Dell keyboard she uses. May not resemble the classic IBM 'boards of the past but she likes using it.

That's not a bad one, either.  This is the one I was talking about:

[support.dell.com image 850x320]

Which is, I believe, uses the same key switches in a somewhat more beefy body with an integraded
media control package.


Yeah, I was hoping those would be the ones that came along with the last batch of Dells my boss bought. Sadly, they weren't.

Much better tactile feel than the current model Dell keyboards:

[i.dell.com image 751x304]

Which are, I believe, rebranded Logitechs.


HP carries something similar for their Slimline desktops. Flimsy, thin, no tactile feel to typing with them and look like they'll break if you drop them once.
 
2012-12-20 10:11:19 AM
Rwa2play:
 
Yeah, I was hoping those would be the ones that came along with the last batch of Dells my boss bought. Sadly, they weren't.
 
Much better tactile feel than the current model Dell keyboards:
 
Dell hasn't used that style of keyboard for over 2 years (we use Dell's exclusively at my company, and
I've seen firsthand the de-evolution of their overall build quality, which was none to good to begin with).
 
Which are, I believe, rebranded Logitechs.
 
HP carries something similar for their Slimline desktops. Flimsy, thin, no tactile feel to typing with them and look like they'll break if you drop them once.
 
I just bought an HP desktop for my home, and the keyboard that came with it is pretty much the same as
what I've been seeing with the Dells save for the HP logo.
 
I like Logitech's self-branded stuff, but they seem to save the crap for their OEM lines.
 
2012-12-20 10:47:38 AM

DjangoStonereaver: Meh.  I can type 75WPM (when I'm in practice), and even I need to look at the key labels fairly often.

I prefer Northgate or original IBM PC or PC/AT keyboards, and computers with PS/2 connectors.  All are
becoming much harder to find.


Yup. I have yet to encounter anything that can match the Northgate Omnikey Ultra. The versions from CVT were close but somehow not quite as good. Of course neither is on the market anymore.

thomps: i would venture to guess that most people under the age of 30 that grew up with computers could type with ease without markings (aside from the bumps on the f and j keys, i suppose). typing has become a primary means of communication as opposed to something you learn in a middle school class and then forget.


I disagree. I've seen far too many that can't. I've also seen far to many who don't understand how I can use the computer in an environment without enough light to see the keyboard well. (For example, right now. I didn't bother to turn on the room lights. I can make out the keyboard due to the glow from my screens but it's pretty dim.)

What I see are a lot of good Columbus-method typists. (Never mind that Columbus typists top out at what's a pretty poor touch typing rate.)

Explodo: Keyboards without labels are for the completely douchey who feel the need to show their superiority by making their computers hard to use for others.


Or they just don't want others messing with their systems.

Nurglitch: If you really want the clacking for a mechanical keyboard, you can download a nice little program for that: http://www.grc.com/freeware/clickey.htm


I don't give a hoot about the *SOUND*. I want the feel. There's enough tactile feedback that you know for sure if you hit the key or not. It's not something that's going to matter to you unless you're a decent touch typist and even then you'll never understand it unless you try a good mechanical keyboard. There's a reason those of us who know pay the big bucks for good keyboards.

WelldeadLink: A real man wears the labels off.


Not if they have a proper keyboard. This keyboard has had a huge amount of use and yet all the keycaps appear pristine. That's because they don't have labels in the first place, the color is actually in the plastic of the keycap and will never wear off.

RangerTaylor: Congratulation Fark, you made me actually say out loud to myself "Wow, what a bunch of ridiculous nerds." And I get into long conversations with my friends regarding the viability of the archaeologist class in Nethack.


Nerds, yes. Ridiculous, no.

Rwa2play: Question: Wouldn't IBM make a killing from selling an updated version (for use on XP onward/Mac) of the Model M; both a genuine Model M and a customizable Model M?


Das Keyboard seems to be doing ok in the market for quality keyboards although CVT failed (although they seem to have utterly neglected things relying only on the reputation.)
 
2012-12-20 04:30:58 PM
I have a EZEyes keyboard for my home PC for the spill resistant feature, and a Logitech K400 wireless with touchpad for my netbook, because the keys are big enough so my big, meaty claws can type comfortably. And I am enjoying the nerds and snobs whipping out their 'boards and comparing them.
 
2012-12-20 08:36:15 PM
I am shocked that no one's tried to troll yet by suggesting that physical keyboards are relics and any modern technology will use touchscreen-based input. Seemed so obvious.
 
amo [TotalFark]
2012-12-21 03:12:55 AM

ProfessorOhki: I am shocked that no one's tried to troll yet by suggesting that physical keyboards are relics and any modern technology will use touchscreen-based input. Seemed so obvious.


There will always be a need for haptic feedback. Touchscreen phones are dangerous at best to use while driving. They're already developing a touchscreen that deforms itself to shape "buttons" we can feel.^
 
2012-12-22 10:54:32 AM

Rwa2play: Question: Wouldn't IBM make a killing from selling an updated version (for use on XP onward/Mac) of the Model M; both a genuine Model M and a customizable Model M?


They don't seem to think so. They sold that part of the business off.
 
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