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2012-12-19 02:09:25 PM
Oh good lord! Open a window. It smells like virgins in here.
 
2012-12-19 02:11:04 PM

SuperT: Donnchadha: SuperT: I have an IBM M keyboard. I just need a way to plug it in to a usb port. hrm....

[www.recycledgoods.com image 640x480]

I used to have a model M as well, but it eventually stopped working reliably, so I replaced it with the one pictured. It's got such a satisfying "clack" sound to it.

It's also ps/2, but fortunately my computer still has those ports. However, ps/2 to usb adapters are really not hard to come by -- although I guess you'd probably find a lot more going the wrong way (female USB - male ps/2)

I'd be going from AT to USB.


Use ALL the adapters _ó/
 
2012-12-19 02:11:26 PM
Congratulation Fark, you made me actually say out loud to myself "Wow, what a bunch of ridiculous nerds." And I get into long conversations with my friends regarding the viability of the archaeologist class in Nethack.
 
2012-12-19 02:14:03 PM
I have the labeled quiet version of that keyboard. In fact, I'm typing on it now.

It's great. I suggest you try it and shut your whore mouth.
 
2012-12-19 02:19:34 PM
I have a Model M at work, production date 1987... still works great. I wouldn't mind having another one for home, but I can get along with the cheapie that I have for now.

On the laptop front, it's disappointing to see the TrackPoint vanish from newer machines, and I farking hate the new "chiclet" style keyboards with flat-topped keys. Sculptured keytops are much better for my touch-typing.
 
2012-12-19 02:24:30 PM

RangerTaylor: And I get into long conversations with my friends regarding the viability of the archaeologist class in Nethack.


I'm gonna go with "If you've verified the viability of the archaeologist class (by ascending), you're probably lying about the friends bit."


 
 
2012-12-19 02:25:59 PM

Swoop1809: Mechanical keyboards should all be banned from the workplace. All keyboards must be the silent laptop style so the incessant clicking doesnt make go on a rampage.


Pretty much this. A guy in our office brought in one of these keyboards and the thing sounds almost as loud as a typewriter. It annoys the hell out of everyone.

And the build quality is nothing special either - it feels like any other shiatty plastic keyboard
 
2012-12-19 02:26:57 PM
I got a daskeyboard from my brother for my birthday a few years back. He later borrowed it while I was at work and took it with him when he moved to another state.

Best keyboard I ever had.

RexTalionis: I should dig up my IBM Model M keyboard. It's somewhere in my parent's house. Has a serial plug in it, so I think it's the model from the 80s.


That is what I've been using since my daskeyboard was pilfered. It still works, it is still good, and I'm not ready to drop a hundred bucks on a replacement.
 
2012-12-19 02:48:47 PM

Nofun: $130?  Pfft, amateurs!


I'll see your $300 keyboard and raise you the $1500 keyboard with transparent keys and an OLED display under each.
 
2012-12-19 03:06:48 PM
аи лернед хау ту точ таип ин рошан уид уан ов доз. нау иф аи колд онли лерн рошан...
 
2012-12-19 03:11:12 PM
Kids these days cannot touch type. Their form is terrible and they look at the keys constantly.

They type mostly on cell phones, which is the main reason they cannot spell either.
 
2012-12-19 03:40:12 PM
Explodo: Keyboards without labels are for the completely douchey who feel the need to show their superiority by making their computers hard to use for others.

Why the hell are "others" doing using my computer?

// my mouse speed is also cranked up through the stratosphere. I spent countless hours in my youth playing Quake/2/3, tribes, mechwarrior, etc. I has mousing skills.
 
2012-12-19 03:55:34 PM

Teufelaffe: Nofun: $130?  Pfft, amateurs!

I'll see your $300 keyboard and raise you the $1500 keyboard with transparent keys and an OLED display under each.


Do you have one? I note that the release date on the linked site was in 2007, but the Optimus Maximus was also listed as "Not Available".
 
2012-12-19 03:56:27 PM

Wenchmaster: Teufelaffe: Nofun: $130?  Pfft, amateurs!

I'll see your $300 keyboard and raise you the $1500 keyboard with transparent keys and an OLED display under each.

Do you have one? I note that the release date on the linked site was in 2007, but the Optimus Maximus was also listed as "Not Available".


I do not. Think Geek was selling them for a while, but they appear to be gone from TG's site.
 
2012-12-19 03:57:37 PM
I can type about as fast as I can compose a thought, and what really limits my bandwidth is fussing over the choice of words and making sure the punctuation is correct. Unless you are doing transcription, data entry, or are Stephen King, I don't really see what having and 80 wpm+ output gains you in the real world.
 
2012-12-19 04:02:07 PM

DjangoStonereaver: thomps: ekdikeo4: thomps: amo: Touch typists still exist, but we're rare enough that most people boggle at my keyboard.


wtf are you talking about? touch typing is more prevalent now than ever, unless your definition only includes people who feel the need to alert the world to their amazing ability to type without looking at a keyboard by painting keys.


hmm. i think that although a lot of people are capable of touch typing, that they currently rely quite a bit on the markings on the keyboard, and would have to take some time to adjust to it.

i would venture to guess that most people under the age of 30 that grew up with computers could type with ease without markings (aside from the bumps on the f and j keys, i suppose). typing has become a primary means of communication as opposed to something you learn in a middle school class and then forget.


I think you're your confusing comfort with using the interface with skill in using it.  Even for people who
grew up with computer, most people need to actually think about what they're entering, and that takes
thought that slows down the mechanical process of entry.  For me, a touch typist is someone who is
practiced enough that they can think about other things and form whole words, rather than one letter
at a time.
 
The main reason I can type as fast as I do is that I took a full year of professional typing classes in
high school (if you have ever seen my handwriting you'll know why), but what really pushed me into the
stratosphere is the 3 years I was a data entry clerk.  Though we weren't paid by the keystroke, we were
judged on how much work we got done in a shift, and it got to the point where everyone in my office
was able to have very serious conversations while we were all clacking away.  I think a couple of times
my key speed came close to 100WPM toward the end of my time there.


So you are saying you spent money learning to touch type when you could have just played muds? Seriously, you want to learn to type fast & accurately play a mud for a few years.
 
2012-12-19 04:16:39 PM
Subby, just FYI... Most mechanical keyboards cost this much. It's not some hipster thing, or a tech geek thing, it's just that it's a mechanical keyboard, more expensive to make.
 
2012-12-19 04:21:12 PM

GAT_00: incendi: Frederick: You might be doing it wrong.


There appear to be some issues with the new commenting thingy, especially if you switch between modes and preview.


You also can't left click in it to correct spelling mistakes, which is a major problem.  Or at least I can't.


I'm not seeing this. I have been able to correct spelling mistakes and didn't even know that there was a new comment box. What browser are you on? Chrome 'seems' to be working...
 
amo [TotalFark]
2012-12-19 04:22:56 PM

Kazrath: So you are saying you spent money learning to touch type when you could have just played muds? Seriously, you want to learn to type fast & accurately play a mud for a few years.


MUDs, while awesome, will not teach you proper form. Your alcoholic typing teacher knows what she's doing. Learn from her. You can type much faster with good form than you can without.
 
2012-12-19 04:26:38 PM
I just recently gave my blank DAS Keyboard to my brother. All he does is CLI administration, he is a real typy-type, and he loves it. The damn thing was just too hard to keep clean. That said, it was a pretty enjoyable keyboard to type on, and it was neat looking, until you touched the glossy part, or it got dust on it, then it looked like crap.
 
2012-12-19 04:34:40 PM
I got a fairly nice mechanical keyboard last year but the micro-usb port on the back was a massive liability - snapped off the circuit board and now I'm stuck with a $100 decoy for my cats.
 
2012-12-19 05:12:52 PM
I've used the goldtouch split keyboard for a couple years now, ever since a wrist injury just wouldn't heal. Got the split keyboard, played around with the angle for a bit, and my wrist healed up just fine. Can't recommend them enough if you type all day.

I forced myself to learn to touch type back on IRC in the early 90's by moving all the keys around. Also kept other people from using my computer. Would try to see how many different messages I could write.

Now that I've been a working as a programmer for 10 years, I've learned to find ALL the keys, so a blank keyboard wouldn't be a problem.
 
2012-12-19 05:13:51 PM

DjangoStonereaver: Meh.  I can type 75WPM (when I'm in practice), and even I need to look at the key labels fairly often.
 
I prefer Northgate or original IBM PC or PC/AT keyboards, and computers with PS/2 connectors.  All are
becoming much harder to find.


csb time:

Our paralegal hated the keyboards that came with the latest batch of computers our boss bought. She used to type with an IBM Correcting Selectric Typewriter AND an OLD NCR rig from way back. Didn't compain about the Compaqs, but the keyboards on the Dells and HPs he bought thereafter are so light that she can't "feel" the keys when she types.

Luckily we had another computer whose keyboard resembled something close to the keyboards she used to use. Always wondered if the Das keyboards would resemble something that she would've used with the typewriter or the PC/AT keyboards of back in the day.
 
2012-12-19 05:15:57 PM

Tr0mBoNe: I spray painted my keyboard black when I was in High School to make me learn to type by feel.
 
I was a very interesting child.


I was one of the last classes in HS to learn touch-typing. Still LMAO at some people that type with just their index fingers; and not touch-typing either, like they want to slam the key right through the board.
 
2012-12-19 05:18:14 PM
I can just imagine people typing responses to this thread as fast as they humanly can.

/uses a $20 dynex keyboard
//touch types
 
2012-12-19 05:33:09 PM

SuperT: I have an IBM M keyboard. I just need a way to plug it in to a usb port. hrm....

 
 
I had to replace my Model M's with Unicomp USB Model M's. These feel like the real deal. I love them.
 
2012-12-19 06:01:10 PM
I have one and it's terrific. Unfortunately, it just stopped enumerating on USB suddenly after about 3 months. Haven't gotten around to taking care of it yet.

/<3 Cherry MX blues
 
2012-12-19 06:04:23 PM

ProfessorOhki: I have one and it's terrific. Unfortunately, it just stopped enumerating on USB suddenly after about 3 months. Haven't gotten around to taking care of it yet.

/<3 Cherry MX blues


And for what it's worth, I got the lableless one because I'm sick of having "asdcl" being half worn off and looking like crap. Might as well forgo them altogether (or get etched/two-layer cutout ones). Still no cure for rubbing the texture off the spacebar though.
 
amo [TotalFark]
2012-12-19 06:08:10 PM

ProfessorOhki: ProfessorOhki: I have one and it's terrific. Unfortunately, it just stopped enumerating on USB suddenly after about 3 months. Haven't gotten around to taking care of it yet.

/<3 Cherry MX blues

And for what it's worth, I got the lableless one because I'm sick of having "asdcl" being half worn off and looking like crap. Might as well forgo them altogether (or get etched/two-layer cutout ones). Still no cure for rubbing the texture off the spacebar though.



I've rubbed the texture off other keys too, especially those on the home row. But on the Das Keyboard, black shiny on black matte is barely noticeable. They sell replacement keycaps if it really bothers you that much.
 
2012-12-19 06:18:30 PM
Does anyone still sell a keyboard with the characters recessed (inscribed? whatever) so that the paint doesn't wear off?
 
2012-12-19 06:20:37 PM
Das Keyboard?
(clicks link)
Yeah, old news is so exciting.
 
2012-12-19 06:24:51 PM

pciszek: Does anyone still sell a keyboard with the characters recessed (inscribed? whatever) so that the paint doesn't wear off?


The keyboard in question, Das Keyboard, offers a model with laser-etched symbols/characters, so yes.
 
2012-12-19 06:26:12 PM

amo: Tr0mBoNe: I spray painted my keyboard black when I was in High School to make me learn to type by feel.
 
I was a very interesting child.


*internet high-five* I used white fingernail polish. Not the best security ever, but quite effective against certain types. Drove my mother up the wall. ("You've ruined that keyboard. Why would you do that? Now no one can use it." Yeah, no one but me.) Touch typists still exist, but we're rare enough that most people boggle at my keyboard. "How do you use it?" is the most common response. Um, much like a regular keyboard, you push a button, and the corresponding character appears on the screen.


I touch type about 100 words per minute.

Basically using two fingers.

Yeah, I don't know how I do it either.
 
2012-12-19 06:34:00 PM
For those who are interested in *why* these keyboards are so awesome, here's a pretty good guide put together at overclock.net regarding mechanical keyboards:

http://www.overclock.net/t/491752/mechanical-keyboard-guide
 
2012-12-19 06:42:06 PM
I used to want a keyboard with no labels until I realized how awesome backlit keys are.
 
2012-12-19 06:45:21 PM

Geotpf: amo: Tr0mBoNe: I spray painted my keyboard black when I was in High School to make me learn to type by feel.
 
I was a very interesting child.


*internet high-five* I used white fingernail polish. Not the best security ever, but quite effective against certain types. Drove my mother up the wall. ("You've ruined that keyboard. Why would you do that? Now no one can use it." Yeah, no one but me.) Touch typists still exist, but we're rare enough that most people boggle at my keyboard. "How do you use it?" is the most common response. Um, much like a regular keyboard, you push a button, and the corresponding character appears on the screen.

I touch type about 100 words per minute.

Basically using two fingers.

Yeah, I don't know how I do it either.


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2012-12-19 06:58:27 PM

DjangoStonereaver: Meh.  I can type 75WPM (when I'm in practice), and even I need to look at the key labels fairly often.
 
I prefer Northgate or original IBM PC or PC/AT keyboards, and computers with PS/2 connectors.  All are
becoming much harder to find.


Not so much....

Link Clickety Pop indeed...
 
2012-12-19 07:09:02 PM
casual disregard: I used to want a keyboard with no labels until I realized how awesome backlit keys are.

Hmm, now I want frosted semi transparent keys with no labels and blue LEDs softly glowing behind them.
 
2012-12-19 07:49:56 PM

Kazrath: DjangoStonereaver: thomps: ekdikeo4: thomps: amo: Touch typists still exist, but we're rare enough that most people boggle at my keyboard.


wtf are you talking about? touch typing is more prevalent now than ever, unless your definition only includes people who feel the need to alert the world to their amazing ability to type without looking at a keyboard by painting keys.


hmm. i think that although a lot of people are capable of touch typing, that they currently rely quite a bit on the markings on the keyboard, and would have to take some time to adjust to it.

i would venture to guess that most people under the age of 30 that grew up with computers could type with ease without markings (aside from the bumps on the f and j keys, i suppose). typing has become a primary means of communication as opposed to something you learn in a middle school class and then forget.


I think you're your confusing comfort with using the interface with skill in using it.  Even for people who
grew up with computer, most people need to actually think about what they're entering, and that takes
thought that slows down the mechanical process of entry.  For me, a touch typist is someone who is
practiced enough that they can think about other things and form whole words, rather than one letter
at a time.
 
The main reason I can type as fast as I do is that I took a full year of professional typing classes in
high school (if you have ever seen my handwriting you'll know why), but what really pushed me into the
stratosphere is the 3 years I was a data entry clerk.  Though we weren't paid by the keystroke, we were
judged on how much work we got done in a shift, and it got to the point where everyone in my office
was able to have very serious conversations while we were all clacking away.  I think a couple of times
my key speed came close to 100WPM toward the end of my time there.

So you are saying you spent money learning to touch type when you could have just played muds? Seriously, you ...



I could type fast only slightly before the invention of MUDs, so your argument is invalid.
 
2012-12-19 07:54:00 PM

Rwa2play: DjangoStonereaver: Meh.  I can type 75WPM (when I'm in practice), and even I need to look at the key labels fairly often.
 
I prefer Northgate or original IBM PC or PC/AT keyboards, and computers with PS/2 connectors.  All are
becoming much harder to find.

csb time:

Our paralegal hated the keyboards that came with the latest batch of computers our boss bought. She used to type with an IBM Correcting Selectric Typewriter AND an OLD NCR rig from way back. Didn't compain about the Compaqs, but the keyboards on the Dells and HPs he bought thereafter are so light that she can't "feel" the keys when she types.

Luckily we had another computer whose keyboard resembled something close to the keyboards she used to use. Always wondered if the Das keyboards would resemble something that she would've used with the typewriter or the PC/AT keyboards of back in the day.


When we first set up the main computer in our house, I tried to put a PC/AT keyboard on it but my wife made me put a
newer, less clacky, keyboard on it in short order because she haded the noise.  That keyboard sits happily on my
Crunchbang Linux box in our basement however.

I know what they mean about the newer Dell & HP keyboards.  They're practically flat pieces of plastic, but the Dell
multimedia keyboards from about 2005 were probably the best mass-market keyboards of recent years.
 
2012-12-19 08:14:10 PM
Amateurs

/ Not for the faint of wallet.
 
2012-12-19 08:15:16 PM

sunblock_suppository: You aren't paying for the labels or lack of labels. You're paying for gold-plated mechanical keyswitches with good tactile and auditory feedback. They are harder to make and require more expensive parts than the silent mushboards that Cherry somehow profits on at $8 retail.

Northgate Omni Evo on my desk.

/and a spare in storage
//and a couple of PI engineering xkeys for gratuitous extra buttons


As someone looking for a quality keyboard, what can you recommend that is solid but silent? Das or better action would be great but louder than the standard Logitech is a no go.
 
2012-12-19 08:23:59 PM

Explodo: Keyboards without labels are for the completely douchey who feel the need to show their superiority by making their computers hard to use for others.


Actually, I feel the need to make my computer hard to use for others because fark you go use your own computer. Therefore I get a keyboard that makes others feel inferior, even if they get angry and stick their lip out and call me a douche. So your causality is wrong but your pouting is cute.
 
2012-12-19 08:36:58 PM

RexTalionis: Tr0mBoNe: I spray painted my keyboard black when I was in High School to make me learn to type by feel.
 
I was a very interesting child.


Couldn't you just not look at the keys like everybody else who touchtypes?


No, because he was an attention whore - I mean "interesting child"
 
2012-12-19 08:39:03 PM

Wulfman:
Actually, I feel the need to make my computer hard to use for others because fark you go use your own computer. Therefore I get a keyboard that makes others feel inferior, even if they get angry and stick their lip out and call me a douche. So your causality is wrong but your pouting is cute.


Meanwhile I remote desktop into your machine, set it to left handed Dvorak then laugh and laugh.
 
2012-12-19 09:00:34 PM
As a man with a 700 dollar keyboard I am getting a kick out of these posts...
 
2012-12-19 09:16:54 PM

DjangoStonereaver: Rwa2play: DjangoStonereaver: Meh.  I can type 75WPM (when I'm in practice), and even I need to look at the key labels fairly often.

I prefer Northgate or original IBM PC or PC/AT keyboards, and computers with PS/2 connectors.  All are
becoming much harder to find.

csb time:

Our paralegal hated the keyboards that came with the latest batch of computers our boss bought. She used to type with an IBM Correcting Selectric Typewriter AND an OLD NCR rig from way back. Didn't compain about the Compaqs, but the keyboards on the Dells and HPs he bought thereafter are so light that she can't "feel" the keys when she types.

Luckily we had another computer whose keyboard resembled something close to the keyboards she used to use. Always wondered if the Das keyboards would resemble something that she would've used with the typewriter or the PC/AT keyboards of back in the day.

When we first set up the main computer in our house, I tried to put a PC/AT keyboard on it but my wife made me put a
newer, less clacky, keyboard on it in short order because she haded the noise.  That keyboard sits happily on my
Crunchbang Linux box in our basement however.


This is the Dell keyboard she uses. May not resemble the classic IBM 'boards of the past but she likes using it.
 
2012-12-19 09:18:32 PM

fluffy2097: Wulfman:
Actually, I feel the need to make my computer hard to use for others because fark you go use your own computer. Therefore I get a keyboard that makes others feel inferior, even if they get angry and stick their lip out and call me a douche. So your causality is wrong but your pouting is cute.

Meanwhile I remote desktop into your machine, set it to left handed Dvorak then laugh and laugh.


Well despite the fact that you couldn't do that, even if you did it's easy to change back just using the mouse.
 
2012-12-19 09:20:54 PM

Rwa2play: DjangoStonereaver: Rwa2play: DjangoStonereaver: Meh.  I can type 75WPM (when I'm in practice), and even I need to look at the key labels fairly often.

I prefer Northgate or original IBM PC or PC/AT keyboards, and computers with PS/2 connectors.  All are
becoming much harder to find.

csb time:

Our paralegal hated the keyboards that came with the latest batch of computers our boss bought. She used to type with an IBM Correcting Selectric Typewriter AND an OLD NCR rig from way back. Didn't compain about the Compaqs, but the keyboards on the Dells and HPs he bought thereafter are so light that she can't "feel" the keys when she types.

Luckily we had another computer whose keyboard resembled something close to the keyboards she used to use. Always wondered if the Das keyboards would resemble something that she would've used with the typewriter or the PC/AT keyboards of back in the day.

When we first set up the main computer in our house, I tried to put a PC/AT keyboard on it but my wife made me put a
newer, less clacky, keyboard on it in short order because she haded the noise.  That keyboard sits happily on my
Crunchbang Linux box in our basement however.

This is the Dell keyboard she uses. May not resemble the classic IBM 'boards of the past but she likes using it.


I have a Dell keyboard also, but it's a model M made by Lexmark.

www.clickykeyboard.com
 
2012-12-19 09:22:38 PM

Tr0mBoNe: I spray painted my keyboard black when I was in High School to make me learn to type by feel.

I was a very interesting child.


Wow, as unique as the keyboards in my high school's typing class. Hardcore man, hardcore.
 
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