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2012-12-19 12:40:27 PM  
I miss my old clacking keyboard, and I know several guys that would buy this for the clacking - if there weren't cheaper options available.
 
amo [TotalFark]
2012-12-19 12:41:33 PM  

Explodo: Keyboards without labels are for the completely douchey who feel the need to show their superiority by making their computers hard to use for others.


Oooh, can I play too? Keyboards with labels are for people who have no business on a computer.
 

thomps: i guess my point is that since more people use keyboards on a daily basis now than ever before, it makes sense that there would be more people who have mastered typing on a keyboard than ever before.


Mastering typing and touch typing are related but different skills.
 

thomps: DjangoStonereaver: I think a couple of times
my key speed came close to 100WPM toward the end of my time there.

that is insane.


Probably, but it's not unusual! lol I listened to books on tape when I did data entry, and couldn't tell you anything at all about the work I was doing, but I never did less than 30k kph with an error rate of 0.001%. 
 
amo [TotalFark]
2012-12-19 12:45:10 PM  

Tom_Slick: CSB

I learned to touch type on an IBM Selectric II, I was so fast that when I first started typing on an Original IBM PC the computer would still be displaying letters on the screen when I finished typing.

/CSB
//Get off my Lawn


I learned on a Selectric II as well, but didn't get that kind of speed until a few years later. A couple years back, my husband and I learned we can't both have wireless keyboards. My typing is fast enough to interfere with his keyboard's signal, which apparently is really annoying when he's trying to play video games. 
 
2012-12-19 12:46:05 PM  

DVDave: ShadowLAnCeR: DVDave: I always wanted to try one of these:

[blog.shoplet.com image 500x403]

WTF is that?!

A keyboard, obviously, but with labels.


Ah, so you can spend all day re configuring your ball. Gotcha.
/low hanging fruit.
 
2012-12-19 12:48:08 PM  

DVDave: I always wanted to try one of these:

[blog.shoplet.com image 500x403]


blog.effectiveui.com
 
2012-12-19 12:53:16 PM  
I got this 6 years ago and just replaced that one with the one in the linked site this year. Great stuff. This one is the clicky-clacky version. I love it.
 
2012-12-19 12:53:30 PM  
DjangoStonereaver: Meh. I can type 75WPM (when I'm in practice), and even I need to look at the key labels fairly often.

I range from 80 to well over 100 WPM, depending on what I'm typing.

I only look at the keyboard when typing numbers ... on keyboards without number pads ... because I learned on keyboards with 10 key.

// used to tutor other people on typing

// subby just now discovered das keyboard, it's been around for YEARS.
 
2012-12-19 12:54:32 PM  

Slam Dunkz: I got this 6 years ago and just replaced that one with the one in the linked site this year. Great stuff. This one is the clicky-clacky version. I love it.



I should dig up my IBM Model M keyboard. It's somewhere in my parent's house. Has a serial plug in it, so I think it's the model from the 80s.
 
2012-12-19 12:57:07 PM  
At home, my keyboard is english-canadian.

At work, it is french-canadian, except when I'm using a VM, which is mapped to American English.

All three are similar, but the special characters, accents, and basic punctuation all move around. Touch-typing is a pain when you have three different (but very similar) setups. Im thinking of switching to AZERTY for french, if only so it is different enough that I will just learn both patterns

What do you think?
 
2012-12-19 12:58:12 PM  
Here's a small poem I wrote on that very keyboard:


:AWLdh;ow hdq whdwl'wdd d
akwjd jdwSdp of[vld mlewq mc399se dalwop
lwdj wkj woaj owd Soidp9duf8gcyf wqoiiq
Fad pWwiud9B hajdbf;ipq
 
2012-12-19 12:59:03 PM  
You aren't paying for the labels or lack of labels. You're paying for gold-plated mechanical keyswitches with good tactile and auditory feedback. They are harder to make and require more expensive parts than the silent mushboards that Cherry somehow profits on at $8 retail.

Northgate Omni Evo on my desk.

/and a spare in storage
//and a couple of PI engineering xkeys for gratuitous extra buttons
 
2012-12-19 12:59:04 PM  

r1niceboy: Some people like to type by feel. I'm the other way, I type by looking at the keyboard and not at the screen. I tend to type much faster. Admittedly you have to go back and correct the mistakes you make, but I edit everything I type i case I've made a mandrake.


You don't type faster looking down than looking up. You might think you do because you are not good enough to not look but it's not possible to type faster looking down and finding keys than just knowing where the keys are located. I know people that say that and once they learn how to type the correct way they can see how much faster they can actually go. Plus if you do make a mistake you can tell right away and fix it without having to look at the entire document or paragraph and edit it.
 
2012-12-19 01:00:52 PM  
Typing snob fight. I love this place.
 
2012-12-19 01:02:06 PM  
I have an IBM M keyboard. I just need a way to plug it in to a usb port. hrm....
 
2012-12-19 01:02:50 PM  

A Terrible Human: What do I get for having worn the labels off of my keyboard? Besides getting told to go outside.
/The q,z,x,v,b,o,p are still visible.


dj_spanmaster: I miss my old clacking keyboard, and I know several guys that would buy this for the clacking - if there weren't cheaper options available.


If you want brand new, you can get one from http://pckeyboard.com, as dynomutt suggested. They are the same Model M keyboards as the 80's with all the clacky goodness. If you want one cheap, check the Salvation Army/Savers/Goodwill/etc and see what pops up. They're most likely still working, but in need of a cleaning.

On most if not all of these, the labels are melted into the keycaps with another color of plastic, so they shouldn't fade no matter how much you type.

This monstrosity is my replacement since my wireless keyboard died:
pckeyboard.com
 
rpm
2012-12-19 01:04:31 PM  

Explodo: Keyboards without labels are for the completely douchey who feel the need to show their superiority by making their computers hard to use for others.


Not always. One place I worked at couldn't afford to replace things that often, and the labels were completely worn off the keyboard.
 
2012-12-19 01:06:27 PM  
If you really want the clacking for a mechanical keyboard, you can download a nice little program for that: http://www.grc.com/freeware/clickey.htm
 
2012-12-19 01:07:06 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: Meh.  I can type 75WPM (when I'm in practice), and even I need to look at the key labels fairly often.
 
I prefer Northgate or original IBM PC or PC/AT keyboards, and computers with PS/2 connectors.  All are
becoming much harder to find.


There is a new generation of mechanical switch keyboards of which this "Das Keyboard" is just one. They all use "Cherry MX" mechanical key switches. There are different models of the switches with different feels to them. None of the keyboards using these switches are cheap, but the Das Keyboard is probably the most expensive. Monoprice has a keyboard that uses the same exact switches for just under $60.
 
2012-12-19 01:07:18 PM  
How cute, subby just discovered that there are higher end keyboards available than the one that came with his Mac.
 
2012-12-19 01:07:41 PM  

TNel:

You don't type faster looking down than looking up.



I type faster looking sideways...
 
2012-12-19 01:09:50 PM  

sunblock_suppository: You aren't paying for the labels or lack of labels. You're paying for gold-plated mechanical keyswitches with good tactile and auditory feedback. They are harder to make and require more expensive parts than the silent mushboards that Cherry somehow profits on at $8 retail.

Northgate Omni Evo on my desk.

/and a spare in storage
//and a couple of PI engineering xkeys for gratuitous extra buttons


Gold plated switches? Does it connect to the computer with a Monster USB cable too?
 
2012-12-19 01:10:15 PM  
I have an older model. Yes, it still clicks.
 
2012-12-19 01:11:51 PM  

LazarusLong42: Gold plated switches? Does it connect to the computer with a Monster USB cable too?



Gold plating is great for preventing corrosion. Nobody here is claiming that it makes your bits produce more vibrant lettering when they get to your screen.

 
 
2012-12-19 01:13:47 PM  

stpauler: I'm so glad English is the only language in the world because otherwise that keyboard would be beyond stupid. I'm also happy that QWERTY typing is the only way to do it or else that keyboard would be beyond stupid.
/Beyond stupid.
//Somewhere over there.


I have one for the office and another at home. I originally bought it to help me learn Dvorak while also getting a mechanical-switch keyboard.
 
2012-12-19 01:15:43 PM  
This is the under the geek tab and labels DAS keyboards as fail? Looks more like a Fark fail to me. Fark geek cred hereby revoked.
 
2012-12-19 01:19:08 PM  
Your fantasy football team.
Your dream last night.
Your last marathon.

I think we can also add.

Your touch typing ability.
 
2012-12-19 01:19:57 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: It was for a magazine subscription processing service on an OOOOOLLLLLDDDDD (even by mid 1980s


I have a similar CSB working for a bank transcribing auto loan applications that had been filled out by hand and faxed in. I remember going in for the interview at the local temp agency, and them having me take a quick set of computer tests. When they saw my typing speed, they stopped and offered me the job on the spot. I don't know that I increased in speed appreciably while working there. But I definitely got more proficient at typing and carrying on a conversation simultaneously.
 
2012-12-19 01:24:36 PM  

stpauler: I'm so glad English is the only language in the world because otherwise that keyboard would be beyond stupid. I'm also happy that QWERTY typing is the only way to do it or else that keyboard would be beyond stupid.
/Beyond stupid.
//Somewhere over there.


I'm so glad keyboard layout isn't controlled in software, or else your pose would be beyond stupid.
 
2012-12-19 01:25:04 PM  

AbiNormal: The ultimate hipster accessory.

/Is there anything those douche bags haven't contaminated?


Not sure if it can qualify as a hipster approved device unless it's made of 100% fair trade, green certified recycled condoms or something similar.
 
2012-12-19 01:25:55 PM  

HeartBurnKid: How cute, subby just discovered that there are higher end keyboards available than the one that came with his Mac.


BAHAHAHAHA!
 
2012-12-19 01:28:09 PM  
I already have enough trouble finding the 'any' key when I want to continue...
This will make it impossible!
 
2012-12-19 01:29:49 PM  

amo: Even most of the new college grads I worked with in office jobs in the past couple years, who have had QWERTY keyboards at their disposal since childhood, couldn't touch type. Call that a non-representative sample if you'd like, but somehow I doubt it.


I'm about that age, and I (and all of my friends) can touch-type easily. The only thing I look at keyboard markings for are unique functions (my laptop goes to sleep if I hit Function+F12, or toggles the touchpad with Function+F3, for example). I rarely look at the keyboard for normal typing.
 
2012-12-19 01:30:20 PM  

Explodo: Keyboards without labels are for the completely douchey who feel the need to show their superiority by making their computers hard to use for others.


Yeah!!!! Suck it!
 
2012-12-19 01:31:27 PM  
I have always wanted one of those.  There, I said it.  I think they are awesome.  Although, I may have problems with some symbols....
 
2012-12-19 01:38:08 PM  
Add me to the "I have one at home" crowd. Had a cheaper mechanical keyboard at work for awhile, too, but I usually eat lunch at my desk, and you can't really send mechanical boards through the dishwasher like you can with the cheapie membrane switch boards. :(

/ 105-110 wpm pretty consistently.
// After corrections. Would probably be 120+ if I was more accurate.
 
2012-12-19 01:38:28 PM  
I was disappointed Frogpad didn't catch on.

/Hmm, they have an i-pad app. I'd try an android app.
//The price is coming down for stand alone devices, from $250 when they launched to $140.
 
2012-12-19 01:41:58 PM  
A well made keyboard with good tactile response is essential to a really good user experience. I like the fact that this Das Keyboard weighs about three pounds; I'll bet it has a really solid feel to it. Since you can get the same model with cap labels (laser-etched!) the whole blank keyboard = hipster/douche is negated.
Cheap, light-weight keyboards, while functional, are not pleasant to use. I like the looks of Das Keyboard.

Why this hasn't been posted yet, I don't know, but it's obligatory.
img441.imageshack.us
 
2012-12-19 01:42:32 PM  

thomps: ekdikeo4: thomps: amo: Touch typists still exist, but we're rare enough that most people boggle at my keyboard.


wtf are you talking about? touch typing is more prevalent now than ever, unless your definition only includes people who feel the need to alert the world to their amazing ability to type without looking at a keyboard by painting keys.


hmm. i think that although a lot of people are capable of touch typing, that they currently rely quite a bit on the markings on the keyboard, and would have to take some time to adjust to it.

i would venture to guess that most people under the age of 30 that grew up with computers could type with ease without markings (aside from the bumps on the f and j keys, i suppose). typing has become a primary means of communication as opposed to something you learn in a middle school class and then forget.


I normally position my hands slightly weirdly, and usually do it subconsciously while looking at the keyboard.. i tend to float wherever rather than over the f and j.  i can type almost "properly" if i force myself to, but i tend to go faster when i'm doing it on my own which is some sort of 3-finger and 2-finger combination.  It looks pretty weird when people see me doing it because although my left hand mostly stays in place, my right hand moves all over the right hand side of the keyboard.
 
2012-12-19 01:43:13 PM  

incendi: Gold plating is great for preventing corrosion.


And how important is that in mechanical switches on a computer keyboard? In thirty years I've never had one keyboard key fail on me due to corrosion.
 
amo [TotalFark]
2012-12-19 01:43:47 PM  

gunther_bumpass: Typing snob fight.


You're damn right! lol
 

HMS_Blinkin: amo: Even most of the new college grads I worked with in office jobs in the past couple years, who have had QWERTY keyboards at their disposal since childhood, couldn't touch type. Call that a non-representative sample if you'd like, but somehow I doubt it.

I'm about that age, and I (and all of my friends) can touch-type easily. The only thing I look at keyboard markings for are unique functions (my laptop goes to sleep if I hit Function+F12, or toggles the touchpad with Function+F3, for example). I rarely look at the keyboard for normal typing.


If you're looking at the keyboard, you're not touch typing.
 
And... I'm sorry, laptop keyboards aren't proper keyboards anymore than a Casio VL-Tone is an adequate substitute for a piano. Every brand is different, sometimes even models within a brand are different, there are proprietary keys all over the place... when you sit down at a standard 101- or 102-key keyboard, you know where everything is, no eyeballs needed.
 
amo [TotalFark]
2012-12-19 01:47:35 PM  

red5ish: A well made keyboard with good tactile response is essential to a really good user experience. I like the fact that this Das Keyboard weighs about three pounds; I'll bet it has a really solid feel to it. 

 
Oh it does. As I said before, worth every penny. Mine is pushing 5 years now, and the only thing "wrong" with it is I've polished some of the keys from matte to shiny. It's a battleaxe.

 
 
2012-12-19 01:50:11 PM  
That is a good looking keyboard.
img801.imageshack.us
 
2012-12-19 01:55:50 PM  

poot_rootbeer: And how important is that in mechanical switches on a computer keyboard? In thirty years I've never had one keyboard key fail on me due to corrosion.



Probably not all that critical, to be honest, especially if used regularly. But gold plating is really pretty cheap and if you're going to go the extra mile in all the other places, and are already asking the customer to pay a premium, the cost-benefits analysis of eliminating that small percentage of failures ends up in the right place.
 
2012-12-19 01:57:31 PM  

SuperT: I have an IBM M keyboard. I just need a way to plug it in to a usb port. hrm....


www.recycledgoods.com

I used to have a model M as well, but it eventually stopped working reliably, so I replaced it with the one pictured. It's got such a satisfying "clack" sound to it.

It's also ps/2, but fortunately my computer still has those ports. However, ps/2 to usb adapters are really not hard to come by -- although I guess you'd probably find a lot more going the wrong way (female USB - male ps/2)
 
2012-12-19 01:57:39 PM  

Explodo: Keyboards without labels are for the completely douchey who feel the need to show their superiority by making their computers hard to use for others.


People who write a lot of code like them because it helps them force themselves to type faster and more accurately, and with the clicky action of the keys they know for sure if they missed a press. So there are people for whom this is practical.
 
2012-12-19 01:58:29 PM  
A real man wears the labels off.
 
2012-12-19 01:59:00 PM  

amo: Oh it does. As I said before, worth every penny. Mine is pushing 5 years now, and the only thing "wrong" with it is I've polished some of the keys from matte to shiny. It's a battleaxe.


I'm convinced. I do like a solid keyboard. I learned to type on a manual typewriter (I am an old, old, very old man) and I tend to hit keys a little harder than those who learned on electrics or on computer keyboards. I've managed to lighten up my touch over the years but there have been times when co-workers have stopped and stared when they heard and saw me typing at full speed on a good keyboard. "You're going to break it!" is a common remark. (I've never broken a keyboard.) I'm not the fastest typist (average ~60wmp) but I don't do transcription for a living. I can't compose as fast as I type so 60wpm gets the job done.
 
2012-12-19 01:59:22 PM  
I have a black das keyboard. It isn't the lack of labels that makes it expensive but the key switches and overall high quality.
 
2012-12-19 02:02:44 PM  
Mechanical keyboards should all be banned from the workplace. All keyboards must be the silent laptop style so the incessant clicking doesnt make go on a rampage.
 
2012-12-19 02:08:41 PM  

Donnchadha: SuperT: I have an IBM M keyboard. I just need a way to plug it in to a usb port. hrm....

[www.recycledgoods.com image 640x480]

I used to have a model M as well, but it eventually stopped working reliably, so I replaced it with the one pictured. It's got such a satisfying "clack" sound to it.

It's also ps/2, but fortunately my computer still has those ports. However, ps/2 to usb adapters are really not hard to come by -- although I guess you'd probably find a lot more going the wrong way (female USB - male ps/2)


I'd be going from AT to USB.
 
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